24. Bill Murphy:My interests are LE BERT, LE BERT DE BAR, MERLIER, and MERLIER DE LA TREMOILLE. Lebert 396 Jacques LEBERT, de Villerbel et sa femme (Cologne = Berlin) Le Bert 185 Francois LE BERT, de Paris, Boutonnier, sa femme, quatre enfans, sa belle mere, son Neceu et un Compagnon (Cologne = Berlin) Le Bert 186 Jacques LE BERT, de Paris, Boutonnier, et sa femme (Cologne = Berlin) Le Bert 313 Andre LE BERT, de Nimes (Cologne = Berlin) Le Bert 677 Marie LE BERT, de la Ferte sur Joire, et un jeune fils (Werder, near Potsdam) Merle 142 Estienne MERLE, du Languedoc, Chirugien et sa femme (Cologne = Berlin) Merle 445 Jean Philbert MERLE, Porteur de Chaize (Cologne = Berlin) 25. Charles Geoffroy, Portland, Oregon ...references to Geoffroy in your German list. On a fence near the Reichstag in Berlin is a memorial cross to Chris Geoffroy, killed while trying to escape from East Berlin in 1989. Geoffroy 1207 Jean GEOFFROY, du Dauphine, et sa femme (Villeneuve = Dorotheenstadt, Berlin) Geoffroy 1210 Le Sr Daniel GEOFFROY, Escuyer, Sr de Carascocq pres de Montpellier (Villeneuve = Dorotheenstadt, Berlin) Geoffroy 1694 Jaques GEOFFROY, de Misoy en Dauphine, maitre Cordonnier (Friedrichstadt, Berlin) Guefroy 2005 David GUEFROY, Man-oeuvre, du Palatinat, sa femme et un enfant (Battin, Loecknitz) Guefroy 2142 Noe GUFROY, de Palatinat, et sa femme (Zarrenthin, Loecknitz) I Germany's phone book of 2000 I found only one Geofroy in Saarbruecken (far west), none in Berlin. Chris Geoffroy was the last victim of the wall, he got shot February, 1989, just nine month before the wall came down. He was 22 years old (some sources say 20 years). More information might have: Haus am Checkpoint Charlie - Mauermuseum Friedrichstraße 44, D-10969 Berlin Tel.: 0049 -30-25 37 25 0 Fax: 0049 -30-251 20 75

Hi, everyone -- This is in response to Valerie <tomlinsn@intertech.net.au> who posted on 3 March about the VAN HANSEL surname, seeking possible links between Belgium/Germany and the presence of this surname in Manningtree, Essex, ENG in 1710. Valerie (and anyone else researching in Essex), there was a French Protestant Church at Colchester in Essex. I am not sure where Colchester is in relation to Manningtree but this might be a good place to start looking for any VAN HANSELs. The Huguenot Society of London has transcribed, indexed, and published these records in Volume 12 of their Quarto Series -- ie. Register of the Dutch Church at Colchester. This volume has also been filmed by LDS and is on # 0962135. Since all the French Protestant Church records which have been published by the Hug. Society have also been entered into the IGI (International Genealogical Index), it would be a good idea to check there to see what comes up. The IGI is accessible on the LDS website at www.familysearch.org. Once on the site, click on Search for Ancestors. Another idea -- have you tried a search of the parishes immediately adjoining Manningtree? The section for Essex on the GENUKI site (which is Genealogy in the UK and Ireland at www.genuki.org.uk) should provide you with parish maps and an idea of which parishes to search next. You might also try joining an Essex mailing list and posting a query on there. Information on Other Mailing Lists is on our list website at http://www.island.net/~andreav/index.html in the Beyond the Basics section. And if anyone wants to learn more about the Hug. Soc. of London Quarto Series, that's also on our list website in the Beyond the Basics section. Look for the heading Organizations & Addresses then choose British Isles information. Lastly, don't forget to try some search engines to see if any clues turn up through that route. Look for the heading Search Engines in the Beyond the Basics section of the list website. Sorry I can't help with Belgian or German origins of this name. Perhaps others on the list have information for these locations. Hope these comments have helped. Andrea

Does anyone have any knowledge of the surname Buria in Normandy? Ira C. Nickle

Hello Chris, The Duquesne/Ducane that I am looking for were around the London area in the early 1800's, although there was a Charles Frederick Duquesne born in Warminster, Wiltshire? on the 18 Mar 1795 and died in London 1 June 1834, he was recorded as a Merchant. Regards Don Roberts NSW, Australia roberts@intercoast.com.au

Dear listmembers, here are some more of the names I looked up for some of you. You can be sure, that I write everything that is given to the person, unfortunately the wifes name is hardly ever mentioned. But at least you have a clue in which churchbooks to look. 21. Cindy Abraham Rouzee, Rousee,Rozee, present day it's Rowzee, Rowsey. Roze 2860 Jean ROZE, de Tournay, Tisserant en Toile, et sa femme (in Prentzlau, Uckermark) Rozet 221 Isaac ROZET, du Languedoc (Cologne = Berlin, see note to Hussain) 22. Jim & Muriel Gambrel Would you please look for the name Gambrelle? Gambrelle - no entry 23. Hussain: Any more to ...Where is Mannheim?- Cologne and name Septsous Mannheim is just on the other side of Rhine river than Ludwigshafen, today it is a twin city. At that time it must have belonged to Brandenburg (the duchy) somehow or it wouldn't be mentioned in the book. Neukoelln, now one of the parts of Big-Berlin used to be Rixdorf until 1913 then changed to Neukoelln and became part of Berlin in 1920. The other mentioned Cologne or Coelln in Berlin, is located now directly in the city center. Again two towns at both sides of a river (Spree) Berlin and Coelln formed the later Berlin. (Berlin is my hometown so I did learn all this in school). Septsous or so are some: Setsou 1570 Jean Setsous, de Metz, Jardinier, sa femme et trois enfans (in Berlin Friedrichstadt) Setsous 1582 Jacques Setsous, de Metz, Jardinier, sa femme et quatre enfans (in Berlin Friedrichstadt) (and in additions) also spelled Sessous, Septsous and Setsou Setsou 2614 Pierre SETSOU, jeune garcon, du Pays Messin, Ouvrier de bas au metier

Listers -- I would like to request that all SURNAMES be written in capital letters. I notice this isn't always happening lately. I hope this isn't regarded as niggling on my part. One of our list guidelines (#2) does say this -- "SURNAMES should be written in capital letters, both in the subject line and in the actual messages. Reason: This makes the names more noticeable and lets others know quickly if any names in your message are of interest to them." And while I have your attention (hopefully, I do....), it's always a good idea to provide specific details in your list posts. That is, mention not only the surname(s) you are interested in but also -- and this is important -- the location (at least the country) and the time period as well. The HWE list is concerned with research in all of continental Europe as well as the UK and Ireland. That's a lot of territory and the same surname(s) could be anywhere within it. Let us know specifically where yours were. And the time frame -- could be anytime from 1500's onward -- so please let us know which time period is relevent to you. Another one of our list guidelines (#3) mentions this subject. All our list guidelines, by the way, are on the website at http://www.island.net/~andreav/index.html in The Basics section. And, also by the way, I am still looking for a volunteer who would be willing to update the guidelines in French. Please contact me off-list if you can assist. Thanks for your attention and cooperation, everyone. Andrea (as list concierge)

Hi - I've been lurking for a while and I wonder if anyone on the list has come across the name VAN HANSEL. It would appear that the name can currently be found in Belgium and Germany. So far we have found no connection in these countries to our ancestor 6-g-grandfather Garrick VAN HANSEL who died in 1710 in the coastal port of Manningtree in Essex, England. Garrick had four children and they dropped the VAN from their surname to become HANSELs. Any leads would be most welcome Val Sth.Australia

Hi Don, I presume you have consulted the Quarto Series and in particular the Letters of Denization Vol XVIII.as I see there are nine references to the name Quesne, DuQuesne,Lequesne. There are also three references to the name in Vol XXI - Le Livre des Tesmoignages de l'Eglise de Threadneedle Street. One also indicates that he was "natif de Leyde". No certainty of course that these are part of your line but well worth investigating if you have not done so already. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Roberts" <roberts@intercoast.com.au> To: <HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [HWE] Duquesne | Hello Chris, | | The Duquesne/Ducane that I am looking for were around the London area in the | early 1800's, although there was a Charles Frederick Duquesne born in | Warminster, Wiltshire? on the 18 Mar 1795 and died in London 1 June 1834, he | was recorded as a Merchant. | | Regards | | Don Roberts | NSW, Australia | roberts@intercoast.com.au | | | | | ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== | Announcing new web site for Huguenots-Walloons-Europe list! | Lots of information, links to other sites, surnames list! | Visit the web site at: http://www.island.net/~andreav/index.html | | | ============================== | Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp |

Good afternoon all, In my readings of several books on the Inquisition in Languedoc, I did find a short closing section that deals with parallels between the Cathars and the Huguenots, and the religious/political events between the inquisition and protestant exodus. This only applies to Languedoc. This is quite apart from the authors main treatise in this book and is reproduced under the fair use doctrine. Hope you find it of interest and perhaps assistance. Bob Fay "The Albigensian Crusade: An Historical Essay" By Jacques Madaule Translated by BARBARA WALL FORDHAM UNIVERSITY NEW YORK PRESS FORDHAM UNIVERSITY PRESS BRONX, NEW YORK 10458 Published 1967 This is a translation of " Le Drame albigeois et le Destin francais" (Bernard Grasset Editeur, Paris, 1961). @ 1961 by Editions Bernard Grasset English translation @ 1967 by Bums & Oates Limited Library of Congress Catalogue Card Number: 66-23621 Made and printed in Great Britain by The Ditchling Press, Ltd, Ditchling, Hassocks, Sussex Set in 'Monotype' Bembo. Pages 145-150 "The Final Years of the Monarchy" "King might follow king; each with his own individual characteristics and his greater or less good fortune, but the slow march of administrative centralization pursued its way almost without interruption. More important than the wars with Italy was undoubtedly the Statute of Villers-Coterets under Francis I (1535). It stipulated, among other things, that the judicial acts that hitherto had been drawn up in Latin should henceforth be drawn up in French throughout the length and breadth of the kingdom. This made the use of the French language obligatory for all local administration. Now up till this date the Southern administration had drawn everything up in the language of Oc-but in the years following the Statute of Villers-Coterets we see a rapid change- over to French in administrative documents. This meant that the ancient and glorious language ceased to be written, and soon French became the current language not only of the nobility who frequented the glittering court of the last of the Valois kings, but also of the middle classes who performed all the nation's clerical duties. Henceforward the language of Oc became a spoken language only, and it quickly broke up into local dialects. It still is, even in our own time, the language of the people-that is to say, by and large, of those who cannot read or write; everyone who has any education writes and expresses himself in French. We might end our story here, regarding the Statute of Villers- Coterets as having put a full stop to Southern particularism. Henceforth Languedoc was French in the same way as Normandy or Burgundy. But in fact it did still retain certain characteristics of its own, and these were soon to show themselves in the great crisis of the wars of religion. From its first inception the Protestant Reformation encountered sympathy between the Garonne and the Rhone, more or less in those areas where, before, the Cathars and the Waldensians had flourished. The first thought that comes to mind is that this represented a sort of resurgence of the medieval heresies after a lapse of two centuries. Many Protestants did think this, and that was why one of their pastors, the rhetorical Napoleon Peyrat, made himself a champion of the Albigensians in the last century. But we must take a second look, and on closer inspection we see that the regions through which Protestantism spread were not exactly the same as those in which the Cathars had formerly been at their strongest. Nimes, for instance, had always been a Catholic town in the Middle Ages, and in a general way we can say the same for the C'evennes region. Yet it was there that Protestantism had its greatest success, and from the very first. True, it was otherwise in certain parts of the Albigeois. For instance at Roquecourbe in Castrais, just near the Sainte-Juliane hill where traces of Catharist worship have recently been discovered, memories of the past were still active at the time when Protestantism took root. The director of the excavations on the hill, Madame Poulain, tells us that "the first two pastors of the Reformed Church to be named at Roquecourbe found a group of faithful at the heart of their Church resolutely opposed to. the building of a temple. Did they wish to worship 'in spirit and in truth', or did another sanctuary claim their devotion?" In either case it seems probable that the opposition of this group had Catharist origins, for the "other sanctuary" could only have been that of Sainte-Juliane. The probability increases when we note that one of these first Protestants was surnamed Catarel, and that one of his ancestors left a legacy, in a will drawn up in 1538, in favour of his daughter Esclarmonde. This name, known only in the House of Foix in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries, was not in common use at that time and bears witness to the persistence of certain traditions. In fact it is the opposite that would be surprising; and in recent years efforts have been made to find traces of past beliefs in the folklore of the region, and with some degree of success. Thus it seems that-barring possible exceptions-there was no direct affiliation between the last of the Cathars and the first Protestants. And yet it is unquestionable that the long-drawn-out Inquisition had given rise to a stubborn anti-clericalism in the South which was to manifest itself times without number in the course of the following centuries. And this state of mind obviously favoured the first preachers of the Protestant Reformation. But only indirectly; for it is certain that if Catharist memories lingered anywhere it was not in the cultivated classes, yet it was precisely in these classes-or, anyway, a section of them-that the Reformation first took root. At the time of the Ligue Languedoc was literally cut in two geographically, the eastern part, round Nimes, being Protestant, and the western part, with Toulouse and Carcassonne, being within the Ligue (i.e. Catholic). This is just about the opposite of what we saw at the time of the Crusade against the Albigensians. Here political considerations played a part as much as religious ones. The two Languedocs, though at enmity with each other, had one thing in common: a desire for the restoration of those municipal liberties that had been whittled away by the march of monarchical centralization. But while, on the Protestant side, it was the urban patriciate, leaning on the lesser nobility, who tried to recapture power, on the Catholic side, under the influence of the Ligue monks, it was the people. So on the political plane as much as on the religious one it was a battle on reversed fronts: Toulouse, former capital of heresy, was now the capital of the strictest orthodoxy, seeking the support of Philip II of Spain as before she had welcomed Peter of Aragon within her walls. We see it yet again, and in a quite different context: religious particularism and provincial particularism not only not coinciding but even being opposed to each other. The two Joyeuse, the Duke and his brother the Capuchin who was always "putting on, taking off, and putting on either his armour or his hair-shirt", did not submit until 1596 at the Treaty of Folembray, just before the Edict of Nantes which was issued in 1598. The real quality of Henry IV's great edict has often been misunderstood. No one at the time could conceive that two different confessions could coexist peacefully within one and the same State. Having become a Catholic, but being unable and unwilling to destroy Protestant France, Henry IV created by the Edict of Nantes what amounted to a Protestant republic at the heart of the Catholic monarchy-a republic recognizing the King's authority but otherwise administering itself with its own assemblies and "safe places". At Castres there was an "Edict Chamber", that is to say a court of justice composed half of Catholic judges and half of Protestant judges, to adjudicate all cases that came up between Catholics and Protestants. Nimes and Montauban were among the Protestant "safe places" ; they could count on the active support of the local feudality and of some municipalities such as that of Montpellier-that town where formerly so many Councils had been held and where Catholicism had never wavered in the face of Catharism. The Catholics were now wholly won over to the Bourbon monarchy. It was the Protestants who were to show an inclination, if not towards independence, at least towards autonomy, during the troubles that beset Louis XIII's minority. It was Henri de Rohan, Sully's son-in-law, who commanded in Lower Languedoc bordering the C'evennes. The King had to come in person to lay siege to Montpellier which managed, however, to retain its ramparts and consuls. The war started up again when Richelieu was besieging La Rochelle. Once again Rohan stirred up Lower Languedoc and the C'evennes. He procured religious toleration finally by the Edict of Grace d'Alais (27 June 1629), but Languedoc lost her last political freedoms. The States continued, and Languedoc would remain a county of States until the end of the Ancien Regime; but in fact the Assembly had become a mere symbol, for tax assessments, as well as their distribution, were now in the hands of royal officers. And this was in part the cause of Languedoc's final revolt led by her governor himself, Henri de Montmorency, in 1632. This episode had two aspects: on the one side the intrigues of Gaston d'Orleans, the King's brother, in which the province was not really interested, and on the other the dissatisfaction of various Languedoc bishops and lords who hoped to win back their former privileges. Montmorency was defeated; wounded and made prisoner under the walls of Castelnaudary, he was condemned to death and beheaded some weeks later. The South has retained a tender memory of this great lord, the last of his illustrious line; and yet his defeat and death were but a minor episode in the history of Languedoc. Richelieu profited by this ill-judged uprising to dismantle the last surviving feudal fortresses and to distribute confiscated goods to families that had remained loyal-thus once again transforming the Southern nobility as Simon de Montfort had done four centuries before. Languedoc was now so thoroughly under control that it played no part in the disturbances of the Fronde. Under Colbert Languedoc became one of this great administrator's fields for experiment. Riquet built his great southern canal, and Montpellier put up buildings and monuments that were hence- forth to form part of her glory. Fresh impetus was given to the cloth-making industry which had for long been established to the south of the Massif Central. About the stewardship of Lamoignon de Basville, who governed the province from 1685 to 1718, there is much to be said, both good and bad. He created the image of Languedoc that was to persist until the end of the Ancien Regime, developing in particular her agriculture, which never prospered as it did in the eighteenth century. But he also insisted on a very strict application of the Edict of Fontainebleau revoking the Edict of Nantes, and it was this that led to the revolt of the Camisards in the C'evennes, though poverty was a subsidiary cause. This out- burst had various characteristics all its own, and its fervour was perhaps not without similarities to the fervour of the Catharist "good" men long ago. But we must not push these tempting parallels too far and to the detriment of accuracy. The flourishing Languedoc of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries had definitely become a part of French unity, even if she had lost something of her native genius in the process. The work of a poet such as Goudouly (1580-1649), however charming it might be, had nothing in common with the mood of the troubadours; and perhaps it was the Benedictines of Saint-Maur, Dom Devic and Dom Vaissete, who brought fading memories back to life most successfully in their well- informed Histoire du Languedoc published in the eighteenth century. Languedoc was henceforth a province among other provinces, a province like other provinces. And anyway the picture it presented at the end of the Ancien Regime, extending along the Rhone as far as Vivarais and with its capital, Toulouse, far from the centre, no longer corresponded with the former three seneschalsies of Toulouse, Carcassonne and Beaucaire. Most of the nobility came from outside the province and was allied to the great families in the other parts of France. The middle classes became daily more frenchified. Only the poor remained faithful to their old language, to which the Floral Games never managed to give back its ancient lustre. The Protestants were by far more numerous in Languedoc than elsewhere, and they continued to preach, in spite of repression, right up to the end of the Ancien Regime. But even that was not peculiar to the province and had but little to do with its time-honoured traditions. By 1789 Languedoc was ripe for total fusion within the national whole. " From: "Shirley Arabin" <arabin@wave.co.nz> <HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [HWE] French Religous History Question Date sent: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 06:58:28 +1300 Its a matter of location to some degree (but not the full explanation). In the south of France particularly there was a history of religious dissent going back to the Cathars. The Huguenots of the area known as the Camisards kept up their opposition to religious oppression right into the mid 1700s where in the rest of the country, many had either emigrated or conformed to the RC faith. Walloons were protestants in the north in the "Low Countries" which were for years controlled by Spain. Many Walloons had left for England prior to the main Huguenot diaspora. Shirley Arabin from Mount Maunganui

20. Mary-Ann: Noe family Noe 1739 Henri NOE, de Francheval, Prevoste de Seden, sa femme et un enfant (Buchholtz,north of Berlin) Noe 2024 Abraham NOE, Laboreur, du Palatinat, sa femme et quatre enfans (Wallmow, Loecknitz) Noe 2025 Pierre NOE, Laboreur, du Palatinat, sa femme et quatre enfans (Wallmow, Loecknitz) Noe 2031 La Veuve de Jacob NOE, du Palatinat (Wallmow, Loecknitz) Noe 2046 Isac NOE, Laboureur, de Flessingue en Zelande, sa femme et trois enfans (Rossow, Loecknitz) Loecknitz was main town of that area in the Uckermark, near the Oder river, the church was in Battin. (and from the additions:) Pierre and Abraham NOE were both born in Oppau in the Pfalz. Their descendants lived in Wallmow for over hundred years. (You're lucky, NOE is one of my connected families!) Abraham was married to Marie GOFFO (also Goffau). They lived in Hessen for a short time before they came to the Uckermark. Their son Isaac was born 1688 in Immenhausen, Hessen. He later married Madeleine FOUQUET. Isaac died 1763 in Prenzlau, Uckermark.

17. Louise Roberson :Would you mind looking for the surname La Force? It could possibly be Caumont, Lauzun or Castlenau--these are connected families. No La Force, Caumont, Lauzun or Castlenau (last name just in a list of families that was in the area somewhere but didn't appear in the list) but Lafosse 954 Jeremy LAFOSSE, de Metz, sa femme et quatre enfans (Villeneuve = Dorotheenstadt, Berlin) La Fosse 101 Jacob LA FOSSE, de Metz, Imprimeur en toile, sa femme et quatre enfans (Berlin) La Fosse 1751 Barthelemy LA FOSSE, de Metz, Serger, sa femme et un enfant (Pankau, today Pankow, Berlin) La Fosse 2403 Isaac LA FOSSE, de Metz, Imprimeur en toile, sa femme trois enfans et un Compagnon (Frankfurt / Oder) 18. Dale Stewart: could you tell me if the name BESSONETT is on the list. BESSONETT - no entry 19. Klaus W. Billet I would like to ask you ...for my familyname "Billet" (Billett, Bielet, Bihlet, Bilet, Bellet Billet 1020 Marie GRELET, de Poitiers, et Pierre BILLET son Gendre, Chirugien (Villeneuve = Dorotheenstadt, Berlin) Billette 2008 Francois BILETTE, Laboureur, de Picardie, sa femme et cinq enfans (in Bagemühl, near Loecknitz, church was in Battin, Uckermark) (and in the additions :) BILETTE also spelled BILLET, Bauer (farmer), born in Vigneux near Moncornet in the Picardie (son of Jean BILLET and Jeanne Rossoir), moved away after 1716

Here are some more of the names you asked me to look up in the colonielist of 1699 14. Nicole & Greg Peltier: Is there any mention of a POCKAT / PAQUOIT / PAUQUET famliy listed? Porchot 3140 Francois PORCHOT, Drapier, de Sancere en Berry Icy (in Magdeburg) Pouget 690 Paul POUGET, Porteur de Chaize, de Me la Princesse Electorale, sa femme et sa soeur (in Werde near Potsdam) 15. Allan Murphy, Sydney, Australia, I'd be delighted if you could have a look for the surname RABOTEAU in this list ! Ribodeau 1834 Mr Jean RIBODEAU, Ministre, de Chalons sur Saone (in Berlin and five surrounding towns) 16. Robert C Howell The Flournoy's/Flournois'/Fleurnois etc. were refugees from the Lyon region of France in the early 1600's. Some took refuge in Switzerland... Fleurnoy 2564 Le Sr Henry FLEURNOY, Maitre Hologeur, de Geneve, sa femme, un garcon et une servante

Dear Listmembers, I was surprised to see that this list is really alive, had never expected so many questions about the colonielist of 1699. Here are the first 13 questions and my answers, for my convinience through the list and not by separate mails. Please note that I don't know French (and the colonielist is in French), so I cannot translate any better than you might do with the help of a dictionary, just in short 'femme' is wife, 'enfant' is child, 'veuve' is widow, 'soeur' is sister, 'mere' is mother, 'sa' is his/her, 'de' can mean from. Most of the professions are secret to me as well. The number written in front or behind a name is the number that person has in the list. I snipped of most of the request text. I also looked for names just somehow similar to what you asked for. 1. malinda jones: I would appreciate a lookup for the surnames of Moritz, Thiessen and Keever. 1281 Moret (in Villeneuve=Dorotheenstadt, today city of Berlin) La Damme femme de Mr Daniel MORET, Sr de Frais, de Guyenne, Capitaine 3924 Morizet Jean MORIZET, Charpentier, d'Orleans, sa femme et un enfant (in WEZEL) 2056 Tisse, This Abraham TISSE, Laboureur, de Calais, sa femme et quatre enfans (in Rossow, Uckermark) (and in additions p. 212) Abraham Tisse (also spelled This, Tis) has left the area shortly after 1710 Keever - no entry 2. Carolyn Lucado Griffin Would you please check your list for a Lucadou or von Lucadou name. Lucadou/ Lucadou - no entry 3. Cal Goerdel: Please check the following surnames: Jordel/ no entry - Gordel - no entry Nitor - no entry Pister - 7 Piste Le Sr Paul DIDELOT, de Metz, Marchand, et Le Sr Piste son associé, et sa soeur (in Berlin) Peterbrudest/Petereudess - no entry 4. I'm searching for the origin of my ancestors, the GERBERT (GERVERT, GERBER, GEEVERT, and similar spellings) family who appeared first in Rohlsdorf (Ruhlsdorf, Rohlstorff), Brandenburg, in 1686 Gerbault 1261 Le Sr Abraham GERBAULT, de Xaintonge, Chirugien, et sa femme (in Villeneuve=Dorotheenstadt, today city of Berlin) Gerbault 1912 Guillaume GERBAULT, de la Province de Guyenne, sa femme et sa fille (in Berlin and sourrounding 5 towns - I don't know what that means exactly, but it would all be inner city Berlin today) 5. Janice Hackbarth,Milwaukee, I am curious if you would find any Poppert or de Paupart listed in your book Poupar 1224 La Veuve de Jean POUPAR, de Chateauthieri, et sa fille (in Villeneuve=Dorotheenstadt, today city of Berlin) 6. Allan Bellert ...regarding the name BELLERT; Belair 279 Demoiselle Marie BELAIR, de Paris, et un servant (in Cologne, part of Berlin, not the Cologne at Rhine river) Bellot 3369 Samuel BELLOT, Maitre Chapellier, et sa femme (in Mannheim) 7. Knot4Sale, Craig Sale SALE 1026 Jacques SALE, de Nimes, Peigneur de Laine (in Villeneuve=Dorotheenstadt, today city of Berlin) AVIENY Avienne 10 Anthoine AVIENNE, Cordonnier de la Province du Dauphiné (in Berlin) 8. Harry amling: please look up marse latour settled may be in GrossBeeren at that time. Marse no entry , Latour 822 Paul LATOUR, du Languedoc, Faiseur de bas (in Villeneuve=Dorotheenstadt, today city of Berlin) La Tour 823 Jean LA TOUR, du Languedoc, Confiseur (in Villeneuve=Dorotheenstadt) 9. Cindy I would like to know if there any on the list with the surname LeSage, or Sage, or Saage. Saget 2396 Jean Baptiste SAGET, Proselyte, de la Franche Comté, et sa femme (in Frankfurt / Oder) Saget 3307 Estienne Saget, Chapellier de Loriol en Dauphiné Icy (in Magdeburg) 10. Hussain Melbourne, Australia:May I please ask if you could provide me with a list of all the "de la Croix" occuring surnames and some variations from that book. La Croix 1758 Marie LA CROIX (no more) in Berlin and five surrounding towns de la Croix 2242 Jacques DE LA CROIX, Laboureur, de Pay bas, sa femme et deux enfans (in Gross-Ziethen near Chorin) de la Croix 3405 Thomas DE LA CROIX, sa femme et trois enfans, Tabatier (in Mannheim) 11. George Ude I will appreciate it if you will check to see if you have any EUDES or UDE folks in your listing of Huguenots in Germany in 1699. Eudes, Ude and similar - no entry 12. TomAngers Any Anger, Angier, Ainger, Aungier, Anjer, Angers etc. in your Brandenberg list? No ANGER but AUGIER Augier 2469 Mr Pierre AUGIER, de Nogent, Pays Chartrain, Ministre, la Demoiselle sa femme et trois enfans (in Halle) Augier 3747 La Veuve de Pierre Augier, sa fille et ses deux belle soeures (in Burg near Magdeburg) Augier 3793 Pierre AUGIER, Cordonnier, sa femme et sa belle mere (in Halberstadt) 13. Kaye Cole in Melbourne: Could you please check your list for the name GERMAIN(E). GERMAIN(E). no entry

My mother was a Langdon descended also from the Barteau (Bartoo, Barto, Barton) family and the Brush, Braisted, Clowes, etc., families of New York. If you have been researching lines related to these individuals and possess any additional information on missing spouses, etc., please let me know. I have some additional information about some of the persons listed, especially those involved in the Revolution either as a Loyalist or Revolutionary. Thanks, Ed Rockstein 1 Francis (Francois) BARTEAU (BARTON)1,2,3 ---------------------------------------- Birth: abt 1630, Paris, France1,2 Death: Flushing, Queens, NY Reli: Protestant, Huguenot3 Sailed 1657 from France to NY, immigrating from Paris to New York in 1657, settled at Flushing, NY. In 1698 he census of Flushing his name is spelled Francis Burto. The calendar of N.Y. (Mss Land Papers) mentions Francis Barteau, of Flushing Long Island, in 1680. Spouse: Mary UNKNOWN1,2 Birth: abt 1630, Flushing, Queens, NY Children: Francis (~1679-) John (~1680-) Abigail (~1682-) Jane Sarah Daniel Other Spouses None 1.1 Francis BARTEAU2 ---------------------------------------- Birth: abt 1679, Harlem, New York, New York2 1.2 John BARTOO (BARTEAU/BARTON)2,1,3 ---------------------------------------- Birth: abt 1680, Harlem, New York, New York2 Spouse: Elizabeth UNKNOWN Birth: abt 16832 Children: Mary (1712-1811) Elizabeth (1703-) Hannah (1705-) Sarah (1707-) John (1709-) Francis (1711-1786) Amy (1715-) 1.2.1 Mary BARTO1,2,3 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 17122 Death: 10 Sep 1811, Huntington, Suffolk, NY2 Spouse: Ezekiel BRUSH3 Birth: 1712, Huntington, L.I., NY Death: abt 1785, Huntington, L.I., NY Father: Edward BRUSH (1658-1725) Mother: Hester (Esther) BRUSH (1670-) Marr: 11 Feb 1737/1738, Huntington, L.I. NY Children: Ezekiel (1740-) Jacamiah (Jaramiah) (~1742-1812) John (1743-) Benjamin (1743-) Mary (1747-1832) James (-~1787) 1.2.1.1 Ezekiel BRUSH ---------------------------------------- Birth: 14 Sep 1740, Huntington, Suffolk, NY2 Spouse: Freelove BENNET2 Marr: 23 Jun 1773, Huntington, Suffolk, NY2 1.2.1.2a Judge Jacamiah (Jaramiah) BRUSH*1,2 ---------------------------------------- Birth: abt 1742, Huntington, LI, Suffolk, NY1,2 Death: 11 Dec 1812, Huntington, LI, Suffolk, NY1,2 Occ: Lawyer/Judge He signed the Association in May 1775 but also appears on the first list of those who took loyalty to the crown in 1778. Spouse: Mariah MILLER Father: Abram MILLER Children: Jane Other Spouses Elizabeth SMITH 1.2.1.2a.1 Jane BRUSH4,3 ---------------------------------------- Spouse: Benjamin Seaman LANGDON4,3 Birth: 15 Apr 1784, Long Island, Queens, New York3 Father: John LANGDON (1754-1848) Mother: Phebe SEAMAN (1760-1841) Children: Samuel Jones (1806-) Phebe Maria (1809-) Geherdus Clowes (1812-) Matilda Green (1816-<1822) Hetty Amelia (1820-1824) Catherine Jane (1823-) John Abyathis (1828-1896) 1.2.1.2a.1.1 Samuel Jones LANGDON3 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 15 Sep 18063 1.2.1.2a.1.2 Phebe Maria LANGDON3 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 8 Feb 18093 1.2.1.2a.1.3 Geherdus Clowes LANGDON3 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 1 Jan 18123 1.2.1.2a.1.4 Matilda Green LANGDON3 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 25 Dec 18163 Death: bef 26 Apr 18223 1.2.1.2a.1.5 Hetty Amelia LANGDON3 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 3 Jul 18203 Death: 5 Jul 18243 1.2.1.2a.1.6 Catherine Jane LANGDON3 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 21 May 18233 1.2.1.2a.1.7 John Abyathis LANGDON ---------------------------------------- Birth: 23 Mar 1828, New York Death: 1896, Stony Point, New York Spouse: Ann Louise (Anna Louisa) BRAISTED Birth: 1830, New York Death: 1885, New York Father: Garrett BRAISTED (1796-1845) Mother: Gertrude VROOM (1802-1887) Marr: 27 Nov 1847 Children: Charles David (1848-1908) 1.2.1.2b Judge Jacamiah BRUSH* (See above) ---------------------------------------- Spouse: Elizabeth SMITH2 Marr: 5 Feb 1765, Huntington, Suffolk, NY2 Other Spouses Mariah MILLER 1.2.1.3 John BRUSH2 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 1 Oct 1743, Huntington, Suffolk, NY2 1.2.1.4 Benjamin BRUSH ---------------------------------------- Birth: 1 Oct 1743, Huntington, Suffolk, NY2 Burial: Brush Cemetary, Round Swamp Road, Woodbury2 Occ: Carpenter2 Spouse: Anna SKILLMAN2 Birth: 11 Aug 17552 Death: 7 Jan 1847, Huntington, Suffolk, NY2 Father: Joseph SKILLMAN (1712-) Mother: Sara MESSEROLE (1719-) Marr: 1 Sep 1773, Huntington, Suffolk, NY2 Children: Joseph Ezekiel John S. Thomas Skillman Sarah Benjamin Skillman 1.2.1.4.1 Joseph BRUSH2 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.1.4.2 Ezekiel BRUSH2 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.1.4.3 John S. BRUSH2 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.1.4.4 Thomas Skillman BRUSH2 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.1.4.5 Sarah BRUSH2 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.1.4.6 Benjamin BRUSH2 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.1.4.7 Skillman BRUSH2 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.1.5 Mary BRUSH2 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 6 Sep 1747, Huntington, Suffolk, NY2 Death: 18322 Spouse: Richard SMITH Jr. Marr: 21 Nov 1764, Huntington, Suffolk, NY2 1.2.1.6 James BRUSH2 ---------------------------------------- Death: abt 17872 Research: James was a minute man in Captain Thomas Wickes company of Col. Josiah Smith's regiment of Suffolk Co. Spouse: Sarah SKILLMAN2 Birth: 1743, Bushwick, NY2,2 Father: Joseph SKILLMAN (1712-) Mother: Sara MESSROLE (1719-) Marr: 31 Mar 1775, Huntington, Suffolk, NY2 1.2.2 Elizabeth BARTOO1,2 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 1703, Flushing Queens, NY2 Spouse: Samuel LANGDON3 Death: abt 17833 Father: John LANGDON Marr: 12 Mar 1730, Hempstead, Nassau, NY1 Children: John (1723-~) 1.2.2.1a John LANGDON* ---------------------------------------- Birth: 17233 Death: abt 27 Feb 3 Spouse: Hannah CARMAN Birth: abt 1694 Father: Samuel CARMAN (1660-1728) Mother: Sara ROWLAND (~1664-) Marr: 30 May 1715, Grace Church, Jamaica, Queens, NY Other Spouses Catherine (Katherine) CLOWES, Catherine CLOWES 1.2.2.1b John LANGDON* (See above) ---------------------------------------- Spouse: Catherine (Katherine) CLOWES5 Birth: 17263 Father: Gerardus CLOWES (1699-1752) Mother: Sara(h) JONES (1703-) Marr: ? 17543 Children: John (1754-1848) William Sarah Elizabeth Other Spouses Hannah CARMAN, Catherine CLOWES 1.2.2.1b.1 John LANGDON4,3 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 30 Sep 1754, Hempstead, L.I., NY3 Death: 29 Nov 1848, Boston, Suffolk, MA6,3 John LANGDON served 2 enlistments in the Army during the American Revolution as a Sergeant and as a Lieutenant. He participated in the Battle of Saratoga. 7 Spouse: Phebe SEAMAN4,3 Birth: 18 Nov 1760, North Castle, Westchester, NY Death: 10 Jun 1841, 6 Eaton St., Boston, Suffolk, MA Father: Charles SEAMAN Mother: Esther UNKNOWN Marr: 1778, Nine Partners, Dutchess, NY3 Children: Samuel Jones (1779-) Catherine Clowes (1781-1796) Gerherdus Clowes (1783-1842) Benjamin Seaman (1784-) Sarah Allison (1785-1840) Phebe Rowland (1790-) Hetty Green (1794-) Mary D. (1795-1796) John Barton (1797-1827) William (1800-1801) 1.2.2.1b.1.1 Samuel Jones LANGDON4,3 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 25 Apr 1779, Dutchess County, NY3 Left home 1 Mar 1797 for Europe and was taken by a press gang aboard a British Man of War--not seen again as late as 25 years after. 1.2.2.1b.1.2 Catherine Clowes LANGDON4,3 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 15 Feb 1781, Dutchess County, NY3 Death: 1 Jan 1796, NY Burial: Friends Burial Ground, Liberty Street 1.2.2.1b.1.3 Gerherdus Clowes LANGDON4,3 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 12 Feb 1783, Ninepartners, Dutchess, NY3 Death: 30 Nov 1842 Spouse: Amelia GREEN4 Children: Phebe Ann (1817-) DeWit Clinton (1820-) Hannah Maria (1824-) Pierre Van Courtland (1827-) 1.2.2.1b.1.4 Benjamin Seaman LANGDON4,3 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 15 Apr 1784, Long Island, Queens, New York3 Reli: Quaker Spouse: Jane BRUSH4,3 Father: Judge Jacamiah BRUSH (~1742-1812) Mother: Mariah MILLER Children: Samuel Jones (1806-) Phebe Maria (1809-) Geherdus Clowes (1812-) Matilda Green (1816-<1822) Hetty Amelia (1820-1824) Catherine Jane (1823-) John Abyathis (1828-1896) 1.2.2.1b.1.5 Sarah Allison LANGDON4,3 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 5 Sep 1785, Huntington, Suffolk, NY3 Death: 30 Nov 1840, Brooklyn, Kings, NY Spouse: CAPT William THOMPSON4,3 Marr: 5 Sep 1807 Children: William (1843-) Charles H. (1812-) 1.2.2.1b.1.6 Phebe Rowland LANGDON4,3 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 15 Jul 1790, Queens, NY3 In 1844 resided in Boston with her father and sister. Spouse: CAPT Abiathar YOUNG4,3 Birth: NY Marr: NY 1.2.2.1b.1.7 Hetty Green LANGDON4,3 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 7 Feb 1794, New York City, NY3 Spouse: CAPT William LITHGOW4,3 Death: 19 Nov 18263 Marr: 1817, NY Children: Phebe Langdon William 1.2.2.1b.1.8 Mary D. LANGDON4,3 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 29 Dec 1795, NY3 Death: Sep 1796 Burial: Liberty Street 1.2.2.1b.1.9 John Barton LANGDON4,3 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 9 Sep 1797, NY3 Death: 28 Jun 1827, Brooklyn, Kings, NY3 Burial: Friends Sec., Different Societies, City of Brooklyn near Navy Yard 1.2.2.1b.1.10 William LANGDON4,3 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 23 Nov 1800, New Town, Saratoga, NY3 Death: 21 Aug 1801, NY3 Burial: Aug 1801, Bowery 1.2.2.1b.2 William LANGDON3 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.2.1b.3 Sarah LANGDON3 ---------------------------------------- Spouse: John FOSTER3 1.2.2.1b.4 Elizabeth LANGDON3 ---------------------------------------- Spouse: Richard WIGGINS Birth: Hempstead, Nassau, NY3 1.2.2.1c John LANGDON* (See above) ---------------------------------------- Spouse: Catherine CLOWES5 Father: Gerardus CLOWES (1699-1752) Mother: Sara(h) JONES (1703-) Other Spouses Hannah CARMAN, Catherine (Katherine) CLOWES 1.2.3 Hannah BARTOO ---------------------------------------- Birth: 1705 1.2.4 Sarah BARTO ---------------------------------------- Birth: 1707 1.2.5 John BARTO ---------------------------------------- Birth: 1709, NY Spouse: Magdalena PERROT 1.2.6 Francis BARTO1,2 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 12 Aug 1711, Flushing, Queens, NY2 Death: 26 Mar 1786, West Hills, Long Island, NY2 Settled at Hempstead, NY2 Spouse: Mary KETCHAM1 Birth: abt 1711 Father: Ephraim KETCHAM (1685-1745) Mother: Mary UNKNOWN Marr: 1739 Children: Obadiah (1740-1803) Silas (1742-1831) Servia (1744-) John (1746-) Anna (1751-1838) Reuben (1755-) Morris (1758-1839) Jonah (1760-1827) 1.2.6.1 Obadiah BARTO2 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 6 Oct 1740, Hempstead, Nassau, NY2 Death: 19 Mar 1803, Eden, Erie, NY2 1.2.6.2 Silas BARTO2 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 31 May 1742, Hempstead, Nassau, NY2 Death: 7 Nov 1831, Erie County, NY2 Occ: Waler2 1.2.6.3 Servia BARTO2 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 10 Aug 1744, Hempstead, Nassau, NY2 1.2.6.4 John BARTO2 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 11 Nov 1746, Hempstead, Nassau, NY2 1.2.6.5 Anna BARTOW2 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 3 Apr 1751, Hempstead, Nassau, NY2 Death: 15 Dec 18382 1.2.6.6 Reuben BARTOW2 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 30 Jul 1755, Hempstead, Nassau, NY2 1.2.6.7 Morris BARTO2 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 18 Aug 1758, Hempstead, Nassau, NY2 Death: 6 Feb 1839, Huntington, Suffolk, NY2 Burial: Feb 1839, Elmont Cemetary, NY2 Morris was in the Revolutionary War. He is listed as Bartoo/Bartoe/Barton (DAR). He enlisted in the spring of 1776, served as private in the NY Troops in Capt. Roe's, Jonathan Titus' 76/77, light Inf. of Theodosius Fowler's and John F. Hamtremick's Companies, Col. Henry B. Livingston and Phillip Van Cortland regiments. Spouse: Hanna SMITH2 Birth: 17732 Death: 18162 Children: Jesse Josiah Smith Philetus Elkana Mary Israel Reuben Obadiah Jane Peter Coleman Sarah Hannah Julianna 1.2.6.7.1 Jesse BARTO2 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.6.7.2 Josiah Smith BARTO2 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.6.7.3 Philetus BARTO2 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.6.7.4 Elkana BARTO2 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.6.7.5 Mary BARTO2 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.6.7.6 Israel BARTO2 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.6.7.7 Reuben BARTO2 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.6.7.8 Obadiah BARTO2 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.6.7.9 Jane BARTO2 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.6.7.10 Peter Coleman BARTO2 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.6.7.11 Sarah BARTO2 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.6.7.12 Hannah BARTO2 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.6.7.13 Julianna BARTO2 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.6.8 Jonah BARTOW2 ---------------------------------------- Birth: 15 Dec 1760, Hempstead, Nassau, NY2 Death: 2 Dec 1827, Lyme Towmship, Huron, NY2 Spouse: UNKNOWN2 Children: John Mary AlvinT. Jonah 1.2.6.8.1 John BARTOW2 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.6.8.2 Mary BARTOW2 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.6.8.3 Alvin T. BARTOW2 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.6.8.4 Jonah BARTOW2 ---------------------------------------- 1.2.7 Amy BARTOO (BARTEAU) ---------------------------------------- Birth: 17152 Spouse: Daniel BRUSH2 Birth: abt 1710 Death: abt 1781, Huntington, Suffolk, NY2 1.3 Abigail BARTEAU2 ---------------------------------------- Birth: abt 1682, Harlem, New York, New York 1.4 Jane BARTEAU2 ---------------------------------------- 1.5 Sarah BARTEAU2 ---------------------------------------- 1.6 Daniel BARTEAU2 ----------------------------------------

Bonjours, I am trying to find out the family history of my g.g. grandmother, MARIE RICHENET. She married ALEXANDER LOCKHART, solicitor, in Ireland in 1826 (Church of Ireland which is Protestant), but I have not found any other family members for her in Ireland. I also do not have the marriage certificate to obtain other family names, just the license. She was French-speaking and we have a French psalmster (like a prayer book) from Geneva called "Les psaumes de David, mis en vers Francais, revus et approuvez par les Pasteurs et les Professeurs de l'eglise et de l'academie de Geneve, 1716". There is an illegible hand-written inscription from 1773, then one "Psaume appartient a FRANCHETTE RICHENET, Donne pour ses Etrennes le 13 December, 1807 (A mother? Sister?). Our "family story" has always been that she was Huguenot and from Switzerland. I have located some old records with the Richenet name in Switzerland but none for Marie or Franchette. Does anyone have the name in their family lines or has come across it in their research? I would be glad of any feedback or suggestions as to how I could follow up this situation, since I don't yet know the exact origin of this family. Thank you. Elayne Lockhart, Toronto, Canada Searching: Lockhart, Agnew, Richenet, McAuley, McMullen, Elsworthy

Bon Jour aux tous: If you are researching a line with the surname "De France" "France" "La France" "Amis" or "Hignette" I would like to talk with you. My family is from Virginia and North Carolina. Merci Bien, Gerald De France Groums South Texas

Dear Listmembers, I have right now at home the "Colonie List for Huguenots in Brandenburg/Prussia 1699". It is kind of acensus list for that year and states name, first name, profession and family members for all the Huguenot refugees that settled in the state of Brandenburg in that year. So if you have an ancestor from Germany with an apparently French name, I can look in the book wether that family was amongst the refugees that came to Brandenburg-Prussia. Please send request directly to me. Ina

My connection with JOURDAIN is very distant, one of my grandfather's sisters-in-law having been born Ada JOURDAIN 17.2.1873 Walworth Surrey, illegitimate daughter of Helen Jane JOURDAIN of a Spitalfields family. Very recently, contact has been made with another JOURDAIN researcher, who has generously given me details of the connecting family, running Ada's line back several generations to: Guillaume JOURDAIN, born 1665, (son of David JOURDAIN & ? PERIGAL), watchmaker, married 4.2.1694 Anne L'ESTOURGEON at London St James Dukes Place, died 1747. As yet, none of this information has been verified by me, and so I am presenting it here at face value. Does anyone see a connection with this JOURDAIN family?, and can anyone amplify any of the information on Guillaume JOURDAIN or his parents? Derek GRIFFIS, Waikanae, New Zealand ___ X OLX 2.1 TD X Research: GRIFFIS, RUTLAND, EASTMENT, CAMERON (NZ only)

Hi Don, When and where are you Duquesnes from? Chris

I have recently joined this list and I would be interested if anyone is searching Duquesne/Ducane Regards Don Roberts NSW, Australia roberts@intercoast.com.au