I have the same problem - the story about de Maisied being anglicised to Maisey seems to have no foundation. I am assuming to an extent that the story has some foundation but that perhaps its one of the female lines that had the Huguenot silversmiths as ancestors and that the names have been corrupted or crosseed over in the telling. I know the ancestors in question lived in Spitalfields and Shoreditch, so the likelihood of Huguenots contributing to the tree is quite common, but I have given up on the particular name quoted. One Day! Sylvia M

Thanks Roy, First I was mistaken and you are absolutely correct that it is Auverge. My knowledge of French geography is limited at this point but I'm fortunate to have French and English cousins much more adept at it. From the website it mentions Tour de Maubourg and there was a marriage of Jean Fay to Cha rlette la Tour Maubourg in 1480, and that established one of the five known branches of the Fays in France. It is generally referred to as Fay Tour de Maubourg, apparently right about the time place names were being adopted as surnames, so it's a bit confusing. Yes, the locations are very difficult. Here is an excerpt of a geographical description from a cousin: <snip> "all the places he quotes are in a beautiful area south west of the city of Lyon. Le Puy-en-Velay, Fay-sur-Lignon, and Maubourg form an almost equilateral triangle. Yes! Maubourg is a tiny village about 10k south west of Sainte Sigolene, across the river Lignon from Grazac. These places are all in the Michelin Motoring Atlas of France, scale 1:200,000, pages 128/9. Le Puy is on the headwaters of the Loire, which has its source south of Fay-sur-Lignon. The Lignon flows into the Loire just north of Maubourg. <snip> Is it possible that "la Tour" is in fact the little village of Fay-la-Tour a couple of kilometres east of Le Puy on the N88?" <snip> We were finally fortunate enough to obtain reasonably specific geographical information on several in the 16th century. But probably the easiest to locate is Hector as he is noted to have been seneschal of Puy so perhaps he or his children or grandchildren or nieces or nephews were involved in t he religious wars/emigration. Here is what we have on him thus far: FAY TOUR MAUBOURG, Hector Sexe : Masculin .Naissance: vers 1558, Ardeche Tour Maubourg .Note: VILAIN p.379 : Hector de FAY seigneur et baron de LA TOUR MAUBOURG, senechal du PUY, marie le 5/2/1588 a Marguerite de la ROCHE NEGLY d'ou : Jacques pere : F A Y TOUR MAUBOURG .Jean Mere : PELOUX. Marguerite Famille 1 : ROCHE NEGLY. Marguerite There are four other known major branches and probably many other minor branches, and at least on a preliminary basis they also appear to be in this general area. When we get them translated and geographically located we can look at the potential Protestantism in those families. Does this help locate them better? Thanks, Bob Fay <snip> The Protestant records for Languedoc are vast with some 811 records listed for the department although very few cover your time scale. The records for Haute-Loire are poor with none covering the period you require although the introduction does mention three places where Protestants were active in the 16th century and these are Annonay, Puy and St-Voy-de-Bonnas. If you could give me pointer to the precise location I will check if any of the Languedoc records could be worth a look. Roy.

Hi François, I can supply some information that may assist you. 1. In the archives communales d'Arras there is a list of abjurations covering the period 1744-1792. This relates to Protestants reverting or converting to Catholicism. The reference is GG 160 and the address of the archives is Archives communales d'Arras, La Biblioteque municipal, 20 rue Paul-Doumer, 6200 Arras. 2. There is also records relating to Wanquetin and covers Protestant NMD for the period 1788-1792. these are held at Archives Départmentales 1 pl du 19 mars 6200 Dainville. Hope this proves to be of some use. Roy Day. -----Original Message----- From: armel.francois <armel.francois@wanadoo.fr> To: Andrea Vogel <andreav@island.net> Date: March 13, 2001 10:01 AM Subject: Re: généalogie My family came from Wanquetin, a little village near Arras (in the north of France). In this region, almost all the people are catholics but in this village 1/3 are protestants, 2/3 are catholics. I should have liked if you know the reason of this 'island'. If you have references about the protestants in this village, I should be very interessed. The reasons of this "interest" (english?), I discovered 6 months ago that my great grandmother was a protestante of this village. Excuse me for the english, but I have rarely the occasion to write in english. FRANCOIS Armel

I have a Dormer ancestor Elisabeth Dormer, marrying at St. Leonards, Shoreditch Thomas CHEVERELL on 14 November 1776. They were both of silk weaving families. Elisabeth was related to a Charles and Mary Dormer. Does anyone have knowledge of Dormers who were Huguenots in this part of London? Sheila Reading

How do I find out whether the oral tradition has any founding - or why would anyone make it up anyway! - when I have found no concrete link after 12 years searching! A distant (now deceased) relative was sure we were of Huguenot ancestry but left no sources for his research. It is interesting however that our name seemed to change around 1800 - Napoleonic war - when it might not have been sensible to have a French name. Also, my ancestor conjectured that there may have been 2 waves of immigration - in the 16th and late 17th century. I have not ventured to the Huguenot Society library tho' a member - will I find anything there? I have of course looked at all their publications. Our occupations do not seem to have been traditionally recognised useful trades - we seem to have been victuallers and clay tobacco pipe makers. If anyone can point to any leads it would be most appreciated - the family name is by the way HENSHER - from perhaps HENNECHART varying thro' HENSHIER, HANSHAW, HENSHAW, EARNSHAW, HONCHER, HENCHARD, HANCHARD etc. etc. Most refs are in London, tho there are as yet unconfirmed pockets in Beds, Northants, Oxon, Cambs. Any help greatly appreciated as I am working towards a One-Name Study.

List members: While not necessarily a 'brick wall', I recently found a BUMP line in my paternal grandfather's second family (which I never knew about until recently). Some research leads me to several spelling variations and the mention that this was a Huguenot name, possibly Bompasse. Does this sound like I'm on the right track? Judy

Good morning everyone, Some of my Fay cousins are currently contemplating St Sigolene as a potential original origin for their conjectured (with some significant reasons) ancestors, as well as the area immediately surrounding St Sigolene. The website for the town suggests some significant religious activity there in the late 1500's. Can anyone provide more information or a reference to a book that might list emmigrants from this area as well as any insight into the role of Sainte Sigolene in the religious wars? The following is a short overview of the history from the town website, but really doesn't tell about emigrants. Thanks, Bob Fay Seule ville en France à porter ce nom, SAINTE-SIGOLENE apparaît pour la première fois en 1164, dans une bulle du pape Alexandre III à l'évêque du PUY. Pourquoi ce nom ? En souvenir, nous dit la tradition, d'une jeune abbesse originaire de la région d'ALBI.Elle passa à SAINTE-SIGOLENE vers l'an 630,lors d'un voyage à METZ. Ce passage dans la région eut des effets si bénéfiques que les gens décidèrent de donner son nom à leur petit pays. SAINTE-SIGOLENE est située au nord-est du département de la HAUTE-LOIRE (43). Si administrativement, la commune dépend de la région AUVERGNE, en revanche, d'un point de vue historique, elle était plutôt sous l 'influence de la région LANGUEDOC. De nos jours, du fait de la proximité de ST-ETIENNE (35 km) et de LYON (90 km), STE SIGOLENE peut économiquement se rattacher à la région RHONE-ALPES. Si la population de STE SIGOLENE ne s'est pas expatriée, au contraire d'autres villages de la région, c'est grâce au tissage. Introduit vers 1585, il fut un apport indispensable pour les familles, souvent nombreuses et pauvres, vivant sur un sol granitique ingrat et peu fertile. Une autre date importante dans l'histoire locale: septembre 1595. En effet, à cette époque, des ligueurs du PUY et de MONISTROL (village voisin) vinrent incendier le bourg ; seule l'église fut préservée. Cet incendie fut mis en représailles à l'action menée par le baron du VILLARD, ROYRAUD, royaliste convaincu, administrateur de la contrée et qui, avec d'autres nobles, essayait d'atténuer par des trêves, la lutte fratricide qui sévissait lors des guerres de religion. Une famille, plus ancienne encore, la famille MALLET, est à l'origine de LA TOUR MAUBOURG, qui tinrent un rôle national de premier plan. Les BAILLARD, quant à eux, donnèrent au pays des savants, plusieurs évêques, ainsi qu'un secrétaire du roi LOUIS XV. <snip>

Hello, listers -- Can anyone on the list help the person whose e-mails I have attached below? His name is Armel Francois, living in France. He is specifically interested in Protestants in the predominantly Catholic area around Arras (1800s). He wrote to me personally with his questions (he is not a subscriber) but I am unable to give him any information. The time period he is interested in is rather too late for discussion of Huguenots. However, the area he mentions had many Protestants in an earlier time period who left for other countries -- but possibly some of them later returned when the religious climate in France became more "friendly"? There are two copies of his inquiries below. The first one is in French and the next one is the same, but translated into English. After the English copy, I have included details of his family which Armel sent to me in a third e-mail, not copied here. If anyone can assist, please contact him directly at the address below -- but would you please post a copy to the list as well? I would be interested to learn more on this subject and I'm sure others would too. Thanks. Andrea ----Original Message----- From: armel.francois <armel.francois@wanadoo.fr> To: HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-admin@rootsweb.com <HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-admin@rootsweb.com> Date: March 8, 2001 12:36 PM Subject: généalogie Bonjour, Je suis originaire de Wanquetin, un village près d'Arras (Pas de calais) où il y a toujours eu une forte minorité de protestants (1/3 de la population). C'est dans une région catholique. Auriez vous des informations sur les protestants de ce villages? Par avance, merci. Armel FRANCOIS -----Original Message----- From: armel.francois <armel.francois@wanadoo.fr> To: Andrea Vogel <andreav@island.net> Date: March 13, 2001 10:01 AM Subject: Re: généalogie My family came from Wanquetin, a little village near Arras (in the north of France). In this region, almost all the people are catholics but in this village 1/3 are protestants, 2/3 are catholics. I should have liked if you know the reason of this 'island'. If you have references about the protestants in this village, I should be very interessed. The reasons of this "interest" (english?), I discovered 6 months ago that my great grandmother was a protestante of this village. Excuse me for the english, but I have rarely the occasion to write in english. FRANCOIS Armel Here are the details of Armel's family. His great grandmother was Ludivine CARPENTIER, born in1833 died in 1885. Her parents were Ephraim CARPENTIER, born at Wanquetin, near Arras and Charlotte TATON, born at Lille. Some related names: BICHOPS, PAUCHET, MAYEUR. All lived in the north of the France. Thanks to anyone who can offer help to Armel. Andrea END

OK, I'm not really positive that this person is from Walloon or Huguenot stock (rather than a Dutch Reform background), but the circumstantial evidence seems to suggest it. Therefore, I will ask anyway. Does anyone have any information on the antecedents of HENDRICKS DE BOOGH, described as being "of Albany, NY"? His daughter, CATALINA DE BOOGH (b.c. 1625, d. 1700, prob. New Amsterdam) m. (5 Sept. 1649, in either New Amsterdam or Albany) WILHELMUS BEEKMAN (b. 28 Apr. 1623, Statselt, Overyssel, Holland; d. 21 Sept. 1707, prob. New Amsterdam). Jim -- ================================================= James P. Robinson III jprobins@ix.netcom.com All original material contained herein is copyright and property of the author. It may be quoted only in discussions on this forum and with an attribution to the author, unless permission is otherwise expressly given in writing. =================================================

I am looking for information on the ancestry of ANDRE JOLIN (also spelled JOULIN and JOULAIN, eventually became JOLINE) of St. Palais, France, who married MADELAINE POUPIN and emigrated from St. Palais (near La Rochelle) to New Amsterdam in 1686. He eventually settled in Elizabeth, NJ. ANDRE died ante 1742. Their attested children (all born in New Amsterdam) are JEAN (known as Capt. JEAN and sometimes as Capt. JOHN), b. 3 March 1693/4; ANNE MADELAINE, b. 10 March 1696; DAVID, b. 12 Feb. 1698/9; and JEANNE, b. 1701. There is also sometimes claimed to be another son, ANDREW, born before 1686, but this seems to be a confusion with the original ANDRE being referenced as ANDREW in NJ records. There may have been a second marriage to MARY TROTTER (b. 22 Jan. 1654, Newbury, Mass.) and a child of the second family (MARIE, who married JOHN BLANCHARD). Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jim Robinson P.S.--The Huguenot Society lists a source on this family as: Joline, ________, Andre Joline & His Descendants, no date or publication information. Does anyone know anything about this source? -- ================================================= James P. Robinson III jprobins@ix.netcom.com All original material contained herein is copyright and property of the author. It may be quoted only in discussions on this forum and with an attribution to the author, unless permission is otherwise expressly given in writing. =================================================

Fellow listers -- In her post to the list on 10 March, Sylvia mentioned a brick wall she's encountered in connection with one of her lines. This prompted me to send the following invitation to you all.......which is -- Does anyone else have brick walls to post on the list? If you're not familiar with the term "brick wall", it means a point at which your research is "stuck". That is, you don't know where to look next for those clues which are preventing you from getting back farther on a particular line. If you're in this situation, posting to the list about your brick wall may help you. Another lister may be able to suggest something you haven't tried or a source where you haven't looked. If you're really lucky, someone has that vital clue you're looking for. I hope ***many*** of you will accept this invitation. We currently have about 345 subscribers on HWE -- the numbers are climbing steadily all the time -- but I don't feel that the number of posts reflects that, do you? This is a wonderful opportunity to get your information out there to the rest of us. I hope you will accept it. Just a couple of points to mention, in closing: 1) delete all of this message if it is attached in your own replies 2) personalize your subject line (include a name, a date, a location) instead of just using the one on this message 3) **all** surnames in capitals, please. Thanks, everyone. Looking forward to your posts. Andrea

Sorry if I'm terribly niaive but I thought that La Haye was the French name for The Hague. Please set me right if I'm wrong Regards, Kaye Cole in Melbourne Barbara Holt wrote: > No-one so far has offered an opinion as to where LA HAYE was or if there

Dear List, As a recent joiner to this list, I shall of course do anything i can to help; however, I have to start with a request. Please, can anyone help me with the origin of PUNNETTS , who were mainly in Sussex and Kent? Or where can I find any Huguenot records, on=line if poss.? I have heard a story of Huguenot ancestry, but ne details - where would I go to find out? The earliest PUNNETT of my (Sussex) branch was born 1684 in RYE. TIA Peter Killow in West Oxfordshire.

No-one so far has offered an opinion as to where LA HAYE was or if there were several such places. All I know is that there is a family history book in Salt Lake City LDS Library about the Colin, Coste and Delahay families of France which I mean to access when I can. I would be interested to know where it is as I have a DE LA HAYE ancestor in Limerick, Ireland whom I would like to trace back to France. To date I have only got back to 1730 in Limerick with this name. Some Irish descendants may have later shortened their name to Hayes. I see there are some of that name in Limerick. The extract from the Southampton Register whch Andrea has kindly just posted, contains a mention of a De La Haye who seems to have been a witness at the baptism of a child who died soon after? The letters 'tost" could be an abbreviation for tout de suite ( meaning immediately), I assume? I am now motivated to look at that register for other DE LA HAYES. The entry reads: 1640/1 janvier 24 (baptême) -- Judith, fille de Paul DOGIMAN. Tem. Guillaume BEAUME; Jeanne VERREZ, Marte DE LE HAYE. Morte tost apres. Barbara Holt in NZ

the name is FUNCHION... and we believe we are huguenots who came to ireland around late 1500's from france (there is an old map of ireland dated 1590 with our name in callan kilkenny area of ireland which is where we are today) but we feel its french... can you help me with this if there is a connection between the name 'funchion' and 'the huguenots'... thanks... johnfunchion

You are right - the French name for the Hague is la Haye - There are , however sevral [place names in Fance called La Haye all coming from the same stem HAGEN meaning harbour or more english Haven! Peter de loriol 74 Elms Road London, SW4 9EW, GB Fax: (0)207 622 4505 Tel : (0)207 622 9623

Andrea asked me in her last email to post my research to the list. Here it is but it is far from complete. 1. GERMAIN DERNOCOUR also known as: JERMAIN DERNAUCOUR born ABOUT 1622, LILLE, FRANCE, (son of CHRESTEAU DERNOCOUR and JEANNE *UNKNOWN) occupation SILK WEAVER & HOUSEHOLDER, married 24 DEC 1646, in WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY, RACHEL PRON, baptized 31 DEC 1626, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY, (daughter of ANTHOINE PRON) died before 1690. GERMAIN died 19 JUL 1699, CANTERBURY KENT, buried: 22 JUL 1699, St PETER CANTERBURY KENT. Died "Agee de septante sept ans" Buried 19July 1699, noted in the Registers of the Walloon or Strangers' church ... ... GERMAIN DE RENAUCOURT, F... DE CHRESTIAN, NATIF DE LILLE, ET ... PERON, FILLE D'ANTHOINE, NATIUE DE CANTORBURY Children: 2. i RACHEL DERNOCOUR born 6 JAN 1647. ii SIMON DERNOCOUR also known as: SIMON DEREGNAUCOURT born 25 DEC 1654, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 31 DEC 1654, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: SIMON DERNAUCOURT, JENNE, FEMME DU DIT SIMON, ABIGAIL GALMAR iii DINA DERNOCOUR also known as: DINA DERNAUCOUR / DERNAUCOURT born 28 DEC 1655, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 4 JAN 1656, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: JACOB DOUGNIE, MARIE GALMAR, JEANE BERT iv ESTIENNE DERNOCOUR also known as: DE REGNAUCOURT born 29 OCT 1659, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 6 NOV 1659, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM. MICHEL MOREL, SUSANNE DU RE, FEMME DE NICOLAS HENNAIN; MARIE LE NOBLE, FILLE DE SAMUEL. 3. v ESTIENE DERNOCOUR born 9 OCT 1662. 4. vi JERMAIN DERNOCOUR. Second Generation 2. RACHEL DERNOCOUR also known as: DERNAUCOUR / DERNAUCOURT born 6 JAN 1647, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 9 JAN 1647, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY, married JACOB LE COHIE. "TEM:ANTHOINE PRON, JEAN GOUBE, JEANE DERNAUCOUR, SUSANE DU RAN NAQUIT LE 6 DO" Children: i JACOB LE COHIE born 1 FEB 1674, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 8 FEB 1674, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. GODPARENTS: JERMAIN DERENOCOUR, RACHEL, FEMME DE JERMAIN DERENO- COUR; MADELINE, V[EFUE] DE JEAN MANNEKE. 3. ESTIENE DERNOCOUR also known as: ESTIENNE DERNAUCOURT / DERENECOUR born 9 OCT 1662, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 23 NOV 1662, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY, married 9 APR 1683, in WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY, ELIZABETH PATOU, (daughter of JEAN PATOU). TEM: DENIS GUESTEN, SUSANNE, FEMME DE JACQUES DU THOIT, ANNE WANTIE 1682, MARS 11. ESTIENNE DE RENAUCOURT, FILZ DE GERMAIN, NATIF DE CANT- ERBURY, ET ELIZABETH PATOU, FILLE DE FEU JEAN, NATIVE DE CANTERBURY. PREMESSE. FURENT MARIE LE 9 D'AURIL 1683. Children: i ESTIENNE DERNOCOUR also known as: DERENAUCOURT born 16 FEB 1684, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 24 FEB 1684, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY, buried: 30 SEP 1688, St PETER CANTERBURY KENT. TEM. JEAN PATOU, SUSANNE PATOU, FEMME D'ISAAC; DINA DERENAUCOUT ALSO CHRISTENED IN St PETER'S CANTERBURY, SAME DAY ii ELIZABETH DERNOCOUR also known as: DERENAUCOURT born 17 FEB 1686, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 28 FEB 1686, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM. PAUL BARAIN, LEA, FEMME DE PIERRE LE GROU. 5. iii GERMAIN DERNOCOUR born 1 FEB 1687. iv ESTIENNE DERNOCOUR also known as: DERENAUCOURT born 17 JAN 1689, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 19 JAN 1689, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY, buried: 14 JUL 1694, St PETER CANTERBURY KENT. TEM. JOSEPH PAINCON, DINA DERENAUCOUR, MARIE PATOU. v MARIE DERNOCOUR also known as: DERENAUCOURT born 30 JUL 1694, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 5 AUG 1694, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM. EDWARD RICQUEBOURCQ, MARIE MACARE, LA FEMME DU DIT RICQUE- BOURCQ. vi RACHEL DERNOCOUR also known as: DERENAUCOURT / DERENECOUR born 5 APR 1697, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 5 APR 1697, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM. JAQUES RICQUEBOURCQ, SUSANNE MACARE, FEMME DU DIT JAQUES RICQUEBOURCQ. vii ETIENNE DERNOCOUR born 10 FEB1700, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 16 FEB 1700, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: BEMY (?) DE LECLUSE, DINA DERNOCOUR 4. JERMAIN DERNOCOUR also known as: JERMAIN / GERMAIN DERNAUCOURT baptized 25 NOV 1666, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY, married 3 JUL 1690, in WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY, JUDITH GALMAR, baptized 19 SEP 1660, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY, (daughter of JEAN GALMAR and JUDITH QUENTIN). GODPARENTS: JEAN BOULEN, ABIGAIL GALMAR, FEMME DE SAMUEL FREMAU; MARIE, FILLE DE JEAN PATOU. 8 JUN 1690 GERMAIN DERENAUCOUR, FILS DE GERMAIN DERENAUCOUR ET DE DEFUNT RACHEL PRON, NATIF DE CANTERB., ET JUDITH GALMAR, FILLE DE DEFUNT JEAN GALMAR, ET DE JUDITH QUINTIN, NATIVE DE CANTERB. PREMESSE. MARIE EN L'EGLISE 3 JULIET 1690. Children: 6. i JUDITH DERNOCOUR born 1 SEP 1691. 7. ii HENRY DERNOCOUR born 25 SEP 1693. 8. iii SUSANNE DERNOCOUR. iv JEANNE DERNOCOUR also known as: DERENAUCOURT born 28 NOV 1698, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 8 DEC 1698, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: ANTHOINE PECOUR, JEANNE BOTECHEIN. v RACHEL DERNOCOUR also known as: DERNOUCOUR born 10 MAY 1701, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 15 MAY 1701, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: JACOB WIBAU, SUSANNE, FEMME DE JEAN FERE vi JERMAIN DERNOCOUR born 18 OCT 1703, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 24 OCT 1703, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: MICHE DUME, FRANCOISE MIRLO (MERLO?). 9. vii JEAN DERNOCOUR born 15 MAR 1705. Third Generation 5. GERMAIN DERNOCOUR also known as: DERENAUCOURT / DERNOUCOURT born 1 FEB 1687, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 5 FEB 1687, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY, married 5 JUN 1731, in St ALPHEGE CANTERBURY KENT, ESTHER CAILLIEUX. TEM. GERMAIN DERENAUCOUR, LE GRANDPERE; LA FEMME DE SAMUEL BOUTAR, JENNE PINCON. Children: i MARYE DERNOCOUR also known as: DERNOUCOURT born 10 MAR 1731, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 19 MAR 1731, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: DANIEL LE MOYNE, MARYE DELMARE. ii SUSANNE DERNOCOUR also known as: DERNOCOURT born 13 MAY 1735, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 25 MAY 1735, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: HENRY DERNOCOUR, SUSANNE COCHETTEUR. 6. JUDITH DERNOCOUR also known as: JUDICH DERNAUCOURT born 1 SEP 1691, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 6 SEP 1691, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY, married 4 NOV 1730, in St ALPHEGE CANTERBURY KENT, DANIEL LEMOINE, also known as: LEMOINE / LE MOYNE born HOLY CROSS CANTERBURY KENT. TEM: JEAN DE LEPINNE, MARIE LE HOUCQ Children: i SUSANNE LEMOINE born 19 JAN 1735, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 2 FEB 1735, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: PIERRE COCHETTEUR, SUSANNE DERNOCOURT. 7. HENRY DERNOCOUR also known as: DERNAUCOURT born 25 SEP 1693, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 28 SEP 1693, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY, married ESTER CLARIS, born 10 OCT 1689, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 13 OCT 1689, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY, (daughter of ESAIE CLARIS and JEANNE LE KEUX). TEM: ESTIENNE DERNAUCOURT, DINA DERNAUCOURT HUGUENOT SOCIETY QUARTO SERIES VOL. 5 PART 2 PAGE 398 BAPTISM 1716, April 22. Ester, fille de Anthoine Pecour et de Mary. Tem. Henry Dernocour, Ester Claris. Naquit le 16 dito. Children: 10. i ESTHER DERNOCOUR born 16 FEB 1719/20. 11. ii HENRY DERNOCOUR born 21 NOV 1721. iii SUSANNE DERNOCOUR born 30 OCT 1723, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 3 NOV 1723, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: JACQUES CLARIS, SUSANE DERNOCOUR iv JEANNE DERNOCOUR born 9 JUN 1725, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 13 JUN 1725, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: JERMAIN DERNOCOUR, MARIE BLEAD v ESAI DERNOCOUR born 1 NOV 1727, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 12 NOV 1727, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: JEAN DERNOCOUR, MARIE DELMAR. vi ESAI DERNOCOUR born 17 MAY 1731, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 23 MAY 1731, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: JEAN VALENDUC, JEANNE JUDVINE vii JEANNE DERNOCOUR also known as: DERENOCOURT born 18 OCT 1732, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 22 OCT 1732, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: JEAN PERSSIN, MARYE, FEMME DE JACQUES CLARIS 8. SUSANNE DERNOCOUR also known as: DERNAUCOURT baptized 1 MAR 1695, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY, married 9 APR 1727, in St ALPHEGE CANTERBURY KENT, JEAN VALLENDUC, also known as: JOHN WALENDUC / VALENDUC born WESTGATE CANTERBURY KENT. TEM: JEAN PATOU, SUSANNE GALMAR Children: i JEAN VALLENDUC also known as: VALENDUC born 7 NOV 1728, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 10 NOV 1728, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: DANIEL LE MOINE, JEANNE REED ii SUSANNE VALLENDUC born 28 JAN 1731, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 31 JAN 1731, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: JERMAIN DERNOCOUR, ESTER CAILLOWE. iii JEAN VALLENDOC born 9 SEP 1734, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 19 SEP 1734, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: HENRY DERNOCOURT, MARYE FEMME DE JEAN DERNOCOURT iv JUDITH VALLENDUC born 4 APR 1737, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 7 APR 1737, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: ISAAC VALLENDUC, JUDITH DERNOCOURT, FEMME DE DANIEL LE MOYNE 9. JEAN DERNOCOUR also known as: JOHN DERNAUCOURT born 15 MAR 1705, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 24 MAR 1705, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY, married 28 JAN 1728, in HOLY CROSS St MARTIN BLEAN, MARYE DELMARE, also known as: MARY DELEMAR / MARIE DELMAR born HOLY CROSS CANTERBURY KENT. TEM: JOSUE DARA ET JENNE, SA FEMME. Children: i JEAN DERNOCOUR also known as: DERNAUCOURT born 20 MAR 1739, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 20 MAR 1739, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: ISAAC DELMARE, JUDITH LE MOYNE. NASQUIT LE MESME JOUR. BAPTISE DANS LA MAISON DE SON PERE PAR MONSR.PAUL FOURESTIER, UN DES PASTEURS DE L'EGLISE WALLOONNE DE CANTERBURY. ii MARYE DERNOCOUR born 13 MAR 1740, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 6 APR 1740, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: GERMAIN DERNAUCOURT, ANNE DESJARDINS, FEMME D'ISAAC DELMARE iii ESTHER DERNOCOUR born 13 MAY 1748, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 21 MAY 1748, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: LOUIS DE CAUFOUR, SUSANNE DERNOCOURS Fourth Generation 10. ESTHER DERNOCOUR born 16 FEB 1719/20, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 21 FEB 1719/20, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY, married 18 SEP 1745, in St ALPHEGE CANTERBURY KENT, PIERRE FREUILLE, also known as: PETER / PIERRE FREVILLE born St MARY NORTHGATE CANTERBURY. TEM: JERMAIN DERNOCOUR, JEANE CLARIS. Children: i SARAH FREUILLE born 18 AUG 1746, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 24 AUG 1746, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: HENRY DERNOCOUR, JUDITH DERNOCOUR, FEMME DE DANIEL LEMOINE ii ESAIE FREUILLE born 3 APR 1748, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 10 APR 1748, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: HENRY DERNOCOUR, ELIZABEHT (SIC) DERNOCOURT. PAR MR, DUBLE, PASTEUR DE L'EGLISE WALLOONE DE CANTERBURY. iii JEAN FREUILLE born 15 FEB 1752, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 23 FEB 1752, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM. JEAN CLARIS, JUDITH BAKER iv SUSANNE FREUILLE born 3 DEC 1755, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized DEC 1755, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: PIERRE CHARROSSAIN, SUSANNE DERNOCOUR v SUZANNE FREUILLE born 12 APR 1762, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 18 APR 1762, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY. TEM: ESAYE DERNAUCOURT, SUZANNE LE MOINE 11. HENRY DERNOCOUR also known as: DERNACOUR born 21 NOV 1721, CANTERBURY KENT, baptized 26 NOV 1721, WALLOON or STRANGERS CHURCH CANTERBURY, occupation SILK WEAVER, married 1 SEP 1744, in St LAWRENCE ASH or DEAL, ELIZABETH KIPPS, baptized 13 OCT 1723, ST LEONARD'S DEAL KENT, (daughter of THOMAS KIPPS and SARAH SALLMAN). TEM: ESAY CLARIS, JUDITH DERNOCOUR. Children: 12. i ESTHER DERNOCOUR. ii ELIZABETH DERNOCOUR also known as: DERNACOUR baptized 5 APR 1747, St ALPHEGE CANTERBURY KENT. iii ISAIAH DERNOCOUR also known as: DERNACOUR baptized 26 MAR 1749, St ALPHEGE CANTERBURY KENT, married 27 DEC 1769, in St PAUL CANTERBURY KENT, ANN AUSTEN. WITNESS TO THE MARRIAGE OF HIS SISTER TO HENRY KIPPS 1769 Dec 27 Marr Ann Austen, otp & Isaiah DERNECOUR of St. Alphege iv HENRY DERNOCOUR also known as: DERNACOUR baptized 14 OCT 1750, St ALPHEGE CANTERBURY KENT. v ANN DERNOCOUR also known as: DERNACOUR baptized 19 DEC 1754, St ALPHEGE CANTERBURY KENT. vi MARY DERNOCOUR also known as: DERNACOUR baptized 9 JAN 1757, St ALPHEGE CANTERBURY KENT. vii JAMES DERNOCOUR also known as: DERNACOUR baptized 14 JAN 1759, St ALPHEGE CANTERBURY KENT. Fifth Generation 12. ESTHER DERNOCOUR also known as: HESTER DERNACOUR baptized 29 SEP 1745, St ALPHEGE CANTERBURY KENT, married 9 JUN 1772, in St ALPHEGE CANTERBURY KENT, HENRY KIPPS, baptized 25 MAY 1746, St CLEMENT'S SANDWICH KENT, (son of THOMAS KIPPS and MARY READ) occupation PIPEMAKER. Children: i ESTHER KIPPS baptized 27 JUN 1773, St PETER'S, SANDWICH, KENT. ii HENRY KIPPS baptized 6 NOV 1774, St PETER'S, SANDWICH, KENT, occupation TOBACCO PIPE MAKER, married 8 NOV 1804, in St LAWRENCE in THANET KENT, ELIZABETH SOLLEY, baptized 30 NOV 1785, St LAWRENCE in THANET KENT, (daughter of MICHAEL SOLLEY and ANN BEERLING) died 27 FEB 1848, 2 PLOUGH LANE HOMERTON. iii JOHN KIPPS baptized 13 JUN 1775, St PETER'S, SANDWICH, KENT. iv SARAH KIPPS baptized 21 APR 1776, St PETER'S, SANDWICH, KENT. v SARAH-ESTHER KIPPS baptized 15 FEB 1778, St PETER'S, SANDWICH, KENT. vi THOMAS KIPPS baptized 12 DEC 1779, St PETER'S, SANDWICH, KENT. vii ANN KIPPS baptized 15 APR 1781, St PETER'S, SANDWICH, KENT, married 8 SEP 1806, in St CLEMENT'S SANDWICH KENT, THOMAS DEXTER GILBERT. viii GEORGE KIPPS baptized 21 JUN 1782, St PETER'S, SANDWICH, KENT. Best wishes PG Martin

Hello everyone, I am Joe TWITCHIN and this is my first posting to this list. I am probably quite out of my depth(diving in).... but I am sure that my surname has French origins. My own direct line gets very cloudy around early 1800's and there are people with that name in Spitalfields which I learned a day or so ago (on this list) was a likely place for Huguenots......... I also have on record that there was a 'Thomas De La TWICHENE' in 1275 in Wiltshire and a Gilbert THUYCHENE in Cornwall in 1297. Subsequent to that there is on record a Richard TWITCHENER in KENT in 1432. I realise that there is a big gap between 1432 and early 1800's so the question that I must ask is 'Is there a listing of Huguenot surnames' that perhaps I can tap into to further my quest to 'dig up bones'?. Joe

In the Pommern list the member Siegfried Rambaum wrote a very detailed article about the batch numbers and the International Genealogy Index (IGI) of the church of latter days saints short LDS. I have his permission to repost it to this list. It was written in reply to a question about batch numbers. "I have no clue, what you expect from the batch numbers. But you should not step into that mental of believing, that the IGI is a complete register of every person who ever lived. Many researchers believe exactly that and thus believe, that if they find couples with the right names in about the right area in about the right time, that that couple must be "theirs". Another misperception is, that the IGI is a kind of "Table of Contents" for the people whose records have been filmed by the Mormons. And thus, more people than not believe, that "if THEY are not in the IGI, THEY cannot be found in the microfilms either". The IGI is based on voluntary submission of patrons. Which in turn has the question surface, how it comes, that the IGI also contains quite a few "churchbook extractions" besides the "patron submissions" one thus would have to expect. The answer is very simple, and it boils down to "critical mass". In the initial days, the IGI was empty. And it experienced the same fate, that every database experiences, that is empty. People look at it, see how few is in there and thus do not feel inclined to add to what they perceive as a "nothing"... Someone realized this problem and realized also, that the IGI only would fly if researchers could find "something" in there. Thus, volunteer teams were trained in deciphering old handwriting and then randomly microfilms were pulled from the holdings and these teams extracted each and every genealogically significant name that showed in those films. Which explains, why some church books are completely transcribed, others have some years completely transcribed, and why you cannot find such extractions for lots of other parishes. You may strike gold, if you have an ancestor whose is recorded in one of those parishes, that were selected for the kick-start effort. But it may be a mixed bag, as you may not recognize your folks. Those extractions were done with absolute precision, transcribing each and every mistake of the record exactly the way it was recorded. And often, you simply cannot recognize a garbled name (not garbled by the transcribers, but garbled in the church book already) as being one of yours, if you have none of the corroborated information, which is in the church book, but which is not transcribed to the IGI. Because, the church book entries hold more information than shows in the IGI, like the actual place of residence (while the IGI only ties the people to the location of the church (where baptism or marriage took place), and not to their actual place of birth and/or residence). The extraction efforts were terminated, when the IGI had reached the necessary critical mass for the intended chain reaction, i.e. when the initial trickle of trickle of patron submissions (people submitted to the IGI by fellow genealogists) became a steady flow. The extractions were meant as a take-off booster for the IGI, but not as an ongoing feature. Which means, that the ratio of "extractions" vs "patron submissions" is steadily descreasing, as no church books are extracted anymore, and as thus the number of extracted records remains fixed, while the number of submitted folks increases day by day. Now, when you look at the IGI, how does one discern between a "extraction" and a "patron submission" ? It is simple, the batch number already tells you. IF the batch number starts with one of the following, then what you are looking at is a NAME EXTRACTION: C, E, J, K, M, P or number-blocks 725, 744, 745, 754, or 766 Every batch number, that does not start out by any of these is not referring to a name extraction taken directly (and very reliably) from a church book (i.e. from the filming of that church book). I already mentioned, that the entries in the church books show more information than appear in the IGI. How would one come by to that info? There are two ways to do so: (a) Go to the sources, make a note of the film number, order the film, look for yourself. (b) Go to the FHC, get a form called "Request for Photocopies - International Genealogical Index" and request a copy of the respective page from that church book. Fee: Two dollars. For a first impression of wether or not ordering the film, this is the cheapest and most conveniant way to go. Because, you send the request to Salt Lake City (at least, if you are located in the USA) and you reeive the requested copy back from SLC right to your mailbox ! Now, what would you do, if you find an entry, that is based on a patron submission? Most people, who know about the possibility of requesting photocopies, ignore those, because often it can be established that some of those patron submissions are based more on wishful thinking than on real evidence. At least, that is a common myth about those. I found them actually to be more rewarding than copies of the original church book pages. A submission form has space for submitting six people. And often a form shows six people. One of those six will be the one, you mighzt be interested in. The other five might look like they were "strangers". However, one researcher submitted them, as as research goes, a genealogist deals with one family at a time. Thus the odds are, that those others are kind of related to the interesting one, and that YOU only don`t know as your research has not progressed that far back in time. More interesting (in my eyes) are two other aspects: (a) you get the name and full address of a researcher, who obviously had a reason to research your folks. Now, what other reason might that person have had for researching "your guys" other than being related to those people he/she submitted him/herself??? Just this already is good enough a reason to request copies of those patron submissions. (b) Another aspect is that with every person on a patron submission, the source on which this submission is based on will be clearly indicated, though sometimes you need phantasy to figure, what it means. What would "GS" plus six digits means? Took me a while to fget the idea that it "Genealogical Society" (of Utah) and that the six digits were a film number (which I expected to be given in seven digits). Same holds true for "GSU" and any sequence of numbers (GSU = Genealogical Society of Utah) ... In nine out of ten reference to the original source, it will be the catalogue number of a microfilm. But the tenth reference might be a reference to a source you were not even aware of its existence. And if that submitter tapped that source, you can do, too. You need the same form, and that meanss, you need to pay a visit to your local FHC. However, with patron submission the fee is 25 Cents, and you receive (by mail, right into your mailbox) two copies, front and reverse of the submission form. Now, with postage being 34 cents, how do the Mormons do that and not go bankrupt? They insist that the total fee of your requests adds up to at least two dollars. Which means - either a request for ONE copy for an extraction, or - a request for EIGHT different patron submission sheets My personal favorites are the patron submissions, as they often turn out to be "surprise bags for genealogist", while the copies from churchbooks usually only verify what the IGI already told. And if you don`t know all the variants of a name being spelled or garbled, you wont find your folks in the extractions by the spelling known to you. That is, why these batch numbers are important, as they allow you to browse through all the extractions based on a churchbook filming. This browsing will allow you to see garbled names, too, which you instantly will realize to be garbled variants of the names you are after, but which you would not even figure in the extent of them being misspelled. And if they are misspelled in an extraction, they are misspelled in the orginal record, too. (Sometimes the mainly American transcribers couldn't even guess what a German or French name was supposed to be spelled like. Ina) I hope, this shed some light on what batch numbers are, and what to do with them, if you find some potential ancestors in the IGI. As long as you have not corroborated the entry in the IGI by way of checking the original source (with patron submission, you only will learn about the original source via the photocopy of the original submission) THOU SHALT NOT treat those people in the IGI as if those guys were actually your folks. Und für die Leser in Deutschland: Ich habe keine Ahnung, wohin man die Anforderungen für Ablichtungen aus dem IGI schickt, und wie die dortigen Gebühren aussehen. (And for the readers in Germany: I have no idea where to send requests for photocopies from IGI and about the fees) Siegfried"

I am searching for the origins of direct ancestor Henry Kulet born about 1755. Place of birth unknown but he died in Watford, Hertsfordshire England. Could this be a Huguenot name? Sheila Reading