Listers -- Here's some historical background I thought would be of interest. It's from the book by P.H. Reaney "A Dictionary of British Surnames" (excerpts from pgs. 196-200) under the heading Influence of the Reformation on British Surnames. "The great and wide-spread movement in the Western church, by which the religion was changed from Roman Catholicism to Protestantism, commenced in the fifteenth century, gathering strength in the early sixteenth, too late to have any direct effect in moulding surnames, although it greatly influenced the nature of our christian names. Indirectly, however, religious persecution, by driving foreigners to seek sanctuary in this country, was the cause of the introduction of a number of new surnames, a good proportion of which were preserved, although often corrupted into anglicized versions. By the Act of Richard III (1483-4) aliens had been disbarred from employing any but native assistants in their occupations, which disability led to the foreign tradesmen establishing themselves in various liberties, as St. Martin's le Grand, Blackfriars, the Savoy, Southwark, St. Katherine's, Westminster, and other privileged places, where the officers of the crown and of the Mayor and Corporation could not disturb them (Footnote: Letters of Denization, Hug. Soc. publication, vol. 8). Due to encouragement given by Henry VII (1485-1509), and an appreciation of art and learning displayed by the Tudor Court, great numbers of foreigners, distinguished persons as well as tradesmen, settled not only in London, but also......in the eastern and southern counties. By the time Henry VIII commenced his reign (1509), a numerous foreign population had become resident in England: Low Countrymen, Frenchmen, Germans, Spaniards, and Italians, to name a few, and foreign immigration continued to be encouraged by the Crown. In considerable measure due to the beneficial example set by the enterprising and industrious foreigner, the natural wealth of the country was exploited, and England became the leading manufacturing country of the world. Throughout the sixteenth century further increase in our alien population was the result of the growing religious persecution on the Continent. In 1510 discontent with papal authority, and 'oppressive burdens imposed by the ecclesiastics', led to popular disturbances, culminating in the launching by Luther of the Reformation, an event generally dated 1518. During 1512-14 England was at war against the allied forces of France and Scotland, which misunderstanding considerably accentuated the already existing ill-feeling against foreigners, although it did not entirely stop the immigration (Footnote: Letters and Papers, Hen. VIII, vol. ii, Preface). Notwithstanding that the Act, 'De Heretico cumburendo', was still in force, and Lutheranism opposed by the country, religious refugees continued to find their way into the eastern counties, among them being numbers of Scots who had accepted the doctrine of the reformed religion. (Footnote: History of England, by J.A. Froude, 1873, vol. iv, pg. 63) Aliens, whether denizens nor not, paid double the impositions levied from natives, and in the rolls their names are generally set out separately. In 1534 the Church of England was entirely severed from papal authority, the establishment of the reformed religion being followed by a great increase in letters of denization to Frenchmen as well as Germans. According to the subsidy Rolls of 1540, no less than one-third of the population of London was then alien; in some parts of the city there being practically no Englishmen at all! With the accession of Edward VI (1547) greater freedom of religious tenets was tolerated, while in France and the Netherlands the ecclesiastics carried on their unmerciful persecution with increased vigour. Fugitives continued to inundate this country, causing bitter complaints and threats from the native artisans, whose trade suffered severely under the growth of competition. During Mary's brief reign the persecutions brought about by the re-establishment of the Roman Catholic religion acted as a deterrent to incoming foreigners, although few were driven out of the country, and in 1558, with the accession of Elizabeth, the hopes of the reformers again revived." There is more in this source, specifically about Huguenots and Walloons, which I will post another time. Andrea

Has anyone heard of this name? The original is Gambrelle/Gambrel, who fled from France (don't know where from), and probably went to Holland, and from there to USA. The name shows up in the 1790 census for Edgefield County, SC. Because they had lived in Holland, perhaps more than a generation, their name would have been pronounced as beginning with an "H", but it was spelled with a "G". When the census was taken in SC, the census taker would have heard "Hambrel" and would have written it down that way. Muriel

My Jean Lucadou came to Manakintowne, VA in 1700. By 1705 he was naturalized with others and the name became John and his son Pierre Antoine became Peter Anthony and Guillieume became William. The last name also changed - again phonetically and Americanized - into 15 various spellings and became LOUCADOU/LOOKADOO/LUCKADO/LUCADO among others. Various spellings appeared with each census record. Even brothers often spelled the name differently, so everyone needs to research the names phonetically whenever they trace the lines. The European lines retained the LUCADOU name in France and England and in Germany the VON LUCADOU name appeared. Carolyn Lucado Griffin

Listers -- On 16 March, Peter <PDeloriol@aol.com> suggested contacting the Huguenot Society of London as a possible source of information (Subject line of that message was: Re: [HWE] D'CANE FAMILY). The mailing address and the website URL for the Society can be found on our list website at http://www.island.net/~andreav/index.html. Look in the Beyond the Basics section under heading Organizations & Addresses. There is also the e-mail address for Stephen Massil, who is the librarian at the Huguenot Library in London. As ever, hopefully helpful. Andrea

List member: Why was there such an impetus for Protestants from France to allow there names to change over time? Was name change more common with them than in the population as whole? RSVP, Gerald De France Texas du sud

Hi Gerald de France, there were several reasons for the changing of names over time: 1. spelling wasn't standardized in past times, it was more shall we say impressionistic; 2. many people were illiterate, so those who could write transcribed the names phonetically--for example, among the michigan french canadians, anglos 'played it by ear' and turned Lauzon into Lozon, Lawson, or even Loso, Deneau into Denno, Cousineau into Cosino (which sounds Italian), etc. My ancestors were Lauzons till the mid 1850s, then Lozon. 3. some immigrants wanted to break ties with their former nationalities and become more 'american'--so Heinrich Weiss became Henry White, Jean Bienvenue became John Wellcome, etc. This happened to all immigrants, and obviously the more difficult the name to pronounce or spell the more variants--Belloq might end up Bellock, Belloc, Bellick, Belloak, Bellek...the limits are only those of the human ear to hear a sound differently, and a bad speller to spell it oddly :). also the bigger the family and the more far flung, the more variants...since english, irish, and regional american ears would all hear it differently. the simpler the name, the smaller and more geographically limited the family, the less chance of ending up with 50 variants. if the family went straight from France to New Rochelle NY and had very few descendants all of whom stayed put in the vicinity, the name might remain fairly pure. if they had huge families and were pioneers, like my Huguenot forebears, different branches in differrent areas ended up with different names (eg, Francisco, Franciscoe, Fransisko, Van Sisco, Van Cisco, Sisco, Cisco, Ciscoe, Sisko, Sischoe...) Chris en Californie :) -- "Hier stande ich. Ich kanne nicht als (Here I stand, I can do no other)." ~Martin Luther

Hi Peter, I always know my ancestors came from Zillhausen Germany, my grandfather's sister, my great Aunt Emilie Jenter Spafard, was the family genealogist until she died, and she knew the family came from Zillhausen. It was just a matter for me to go to the LDS library and order the films from the Evangelisch church in Zillhausen and there they were. I went back, I think it was 2 more generations from what she had and then found out that the family had originally come from the town of Heselwangen, Germany, which is the little village right next to Zillhausen. My ggggg grandfather Johan Martin JENTER lived in Zillhausen, his families records were in the church there on film from the LDS, but he had been born in Heselwangen. When I visited JENTER family in Germany in June 1999, I was told that he got into a fight with the major of the town of Heselwangen and he was kicked out of town, the story I was told was that the majors wife was seen chasing him out of town with her broom. He ran to the little town of Zillhausen next door and settled there. When I found this out, it was just a matter of going to the Heselwangen Evangelisch church records and following the family back farther. I got to my JENTER back to 1654 as recorded in the church there. An old family tree chart of the Huguenot, Laux JENTER born circa 1580 in France and going right through to present day JENTER's was commissioned in Germany by the grandfather of a distant cousin of mine, before the second world war. The chart has indication there by might be civil records in Balingen, the town that has incorporated both Heselwangen and Zillhausen. My cousin unfortunately has no knowledge of records for Laux JENTER born in 1580 and his son Laux Richter JENTER born in 1633. or his grandfathers chart and his grandfather has been dead for several years. I am fortunate for my great aunt Emilie, she made most of my research easy, I just need to get over this small brick way, back into France. I am also lucky as I know every town in which my Germany ancestors were born in before they came to the USA. Best of luck in your research. Karen JENTER Michigan

Dear Listmembers, we often see the question: "Is THAT a huguenot name?" in the list. Usually the name looks somehow French. Now in the before mentioned book: Richard Beringuier: Die Colonieliste von 1699 I found the following in the additions to the list from the county of Loecknitz. (There are a lot of further information to the pure family names in that area due to the "kindness of pastor William from Bergholz" as the Beringuier quotes.) For the village Zerrenthin (also Zarrentine) " Nr. 2136 Jean WILLAN, Laboureur, de Calais, sa femme et six enfans " Jean WILLAN (VILLAN, VILIAN, today WILLIAM) living in Mannheim, Palatinate, moved in 1687 to Zerrenthin with his wife and his daughter Franziska, which became "Stammmutter" (progenitor, first mother) of the Duvinage family. His belongings were on a waggon with four white horses. The farm is still (in 1880) in the hands of a descendant, the farmer William in Zerrenthin. Jean WILLAN had 4 sons: Jean, Daniel Pierre, Jacques Antoine 1. Nothing known about Jean 2. Daniel, from him are the lines in Zerrenthin, a line in Schmoelln, and a line in Rossow 3. Pierre, farmer in Bergholz, first father of the line in Bergholz. In the year 1844 three farmers, descendants of Pierre emmigrate to North-America, mostly became farmers and aquire there partly a great property 4. Jacques Antoine, a son of him is, as it appears, the first father of the line in Prenzlau. Another son, Jacques Antoine (farmer in Battin) is the first father of a second line in Rossow. Of this line is the preacher / pastor WILLIAM in Bergholz (who wrote this additions), the "Gutspaechter" (tenant of a large farm) WILLIAM in Armenheide, and many Families WILLIAM in America, namely the big store "WILLIAM BROTHERS" in Lochport. Another son Daniel is the first father of a third line in Rossow. Of this line are the farmers Johan and Abraham WILLIAM in Rossow and the ship captain WILLIAM in Swinemuende. I liked the story with the four white horses, so I wanted to share it with you. BUT, if you are one of the rich descendants of the WILLIAMs, which came from the Uckermark, Brandenburg to America around 1850, please share with me! Ina

Hi, everyone -- This is in reply to a post from Barbara <BHHolt@xtra.co.nz> on 11 March concerning the surname LA HAYE or DE LA HAYE and also location of the same name in France. If you do a Place Search for La Haye in France on the LDS website (www.familysearch.org) the following list of place names will come up -- La Haye, Seine-Maritime La Haye, Vosges La Haye-Piquenot, Calvados La Haye-Aubrée, Eure La Haye-Malherbe, Eure La Haye-de-Calleville, Eure La Haye-de-Routot, Eure La Haye-le-Comte, Eure Le Haye-du-Theil, Eure La Haye-Saint-Sylvestre, Eure La Haye-Descartes, Indre-er-Loire Les Hayes, Loir-et-Cher La Haye-Bellefond, Manche La Haye-Comtesse, Manche La Haye-Pesnel, Manche La Haye-d'Ectot, Manche La Haye-du-Puits, Manche Haye-Pesnel, Manche Hayes, Moselle La Haye-des-Allemands, Moselle (For those who do not know how to do a Place Search, click on Family History Library Catalog on main page of LDS site and then select Place Search and type in the location you are interested in. This is a good way to find out what records LDS holds for a particular location.) Concerning the DE LA HAYE surname in the extracts I posted on 11 March -- Barbara, that was from the Walloon Church at Canterbury, not Southampton. You are right in your interpretation of "tost" -- in other words, the child died soon after the baptism. Spelling is often quite changeable and fluid in these old sources. As for looking in that register for other (DE) LA HAYE surnames, have you tried doing a search through the IGI? Bear in mind that all the records of the French churches which the Huguenot Society of London has published -- the Canterbury Walloon Church being one of them -- are on the IGI (at least according to info given to me by Stephen Massil, at the Hug. Library in London.) Of course, there are no burials or deaths included on the IGI. And baptisms would include only the name of the child and parents and similarly, marriages would include only the names of the bride and groom without all those wonderful other names of witnesses, relatives, parents, siblings, etc. which the French church records are full of. Whether you find anything of interest on the IGI or not, it's always essential (I feel) to check the original sources themselves because there is *so much* that is *not* in the IGI. If anyone is not sure which French churches have been published by the Huguenot Soc. of London, please go to the website at http://www.island.net/~andreav/index.html and look for the heading Organizations & Addresses in the Beyond the Basics section. Click on that heading and then select British Isles. You will find information there about the Society, including a complete list of their Quarto series publications, which include the church records. Hope this helps a bit. Andrea

Dear All, I have just joined the mailing list after weeks of searching for something like this and hope that sks will be able to help me to come up with a few answers. I am trying to trace a Huguenot family named D'CANE who, according to Inkerman ROGERS' 'The Devon Huguenots' settled in the Barnstaple area of Devon in the 16th century or possibly later after the revocation of the Edict of Nantes.I haven't got the original book but came across the extract when tracing the later Cane family members in S.Devon. Can anyone please help me to trace this family either at Barnstaple or earlier, presumably in France? Yours hopefully, Irvin Cane

Now this is an interesting one! This is possibly a branch of the DU QUESNE family that may have settled in the South of England . Once established in this country the family swiflty changed its name to DU CANE - there are still some representatives. This family was from the Norman/breton coast of France . You may be able to get more joy from the Huguenot Society of London. I don't have their e-mail but no doubt some one on the list does! Peter de Loriol 74 Elms Road London, SW4 9EW, GB Fax: (0)207 622 4505 Tel : (0)207 622 9623

Hello Ina, Siegfried and Listers, I'd like to comment on a few of the points Siegfried made about the IGI and Patron Submissions. I've been a non-church member volunteer in an LDS library since 1992, and have been researching my own family since 1988. First of all he is quite right, not every source that has been filmed by the LDS is in the IGI. The IGI is basically an index to Parish Registers and Patron Submissions. Just go to the Locality search (place search on the net) of the Family History Library Catalogue and look for your places of origin. You will find listings of all sorts of films as well as Parish Registers ( eg. cemetery records, probate records, census records) which contain millions of names that are not indexed into the IGI. You will also find Parish Registers not yet indexed, so always check the catalogue. As I understand it there are a number of reasons why some parish registers have only been partly indexed, or not at all. For example many parishes in Devon, England have not been indexed because the Church of England would not allow them to be filmed. Ditto some Irish Catholic parishes. Many English parishes have been indexed only up to the start of Civil Registration in 1837, because it was seen as a duplication of effort. With regard to the sources of information in the IGI, its always wise to check the film number, using the IGI on CD or the Library Catalogue on CD or on the net. On the net (IGI or catalogue) just keep clicking on the links until you get a button saying "View film notes" then click on the button. The next screen will tell you what the film is, i.e. what the information source for the entry is. Many people come into the library with film numbers to order, and often when checked, to their surprise the films turn out to be Church sealing films or similar, which give no further information, or else they are church films which are simply not available for circulation, and submitters' names are also not available. I'd also like to suggest that the submitters of entries about your family aren't necessarily related to you. On a number of occasions I've sent for submission sheets and the people making the submissions were either accredited genealogists or other church members copying entries from Parish Registers, and nothing whatever to do with my families. I also have other disagreements with Siegfried's posting. My negative experiences with patron submissions start with the fact that the sources are not given. What kind of historical, or any other research, conceals its sources ? My worst experience was with a person whom I was assured was born in England in 1837, her parents having been married at Battersea in 1837. No luck with the marriage or the birth. Then I was told the birth was definitely so, "Its in the IGI". Well yes it was, on the net but not other versions. So Mary Ann Simpson, daughter of Walter Simpson and Mary Ann Scammell was recorded in the IGI as being baptised September 13 1837 UK. (Source: Temple Records for Deceased Individuals, submitters not available) ) At this point someone idly suggested I look on the Australian Vital Records CD for the marriage. Lo and behold, the parents' marriage took place in Tasmania in 1843, the child MaryAnn was born in Tasmania in 1837 to these parents. This was confirmed by viewing the films of the original Tasmanian records. From other evidence( later children's names etc) there is absolutely no doubt that this was the right family. In the light of this experience I now regard any patron entry with deep suspicion, its got a good chance of being "Family history by hearsay" (Auntie Mary told me). At a slightly less deceptive level, I recently called up 13 entries in the IGI for my Fishbourne family in Ireland, and found that only two of them were properly sourced, the other sources being sealing sheets for the dead, etc. "Not available" or "No matching film." From my own earlier research I recognised seven of the remaining eleven entries as being taken from the Marriage Licence Bonds, which have in fact been filmed by the LDS. Of the remaining four entries one is a guess and wrong, as the submitter would have found out if he had bothered to have the parish register searched, as I had. The others look like unacknowledged parish register entries, going by the level of detail given. Yes submitter entries can sometimes give you a lead, but unless you want to encourage or contribute to the "JUNK GENEALOGY" circulating in cyberspace, treat them with extreme caution and do your own investigating. Sorry to be such an old cynic, but we could all benefit from a bit more emphasis on truth and accuracy in genealogy. Regards, Kaye Cole in Melbourne InaFri@aol.com wrote: > In the Pommern list the member Siegfried Rambaum wrote a very detailed >

Hi - I read these messages about ancestors from abroad, and wonder what clues have been followed to find them? Is there a source I could seek to give me an idea? Like many, I suspect some of my south coast rellies may have come from France etc,. but how to find out? Any help much appreciated. Peter Killow, Oxfordshire. -----Original Message----- From: JenterKar@aol.com [mailto:JenterKar@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:50 PM To: HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWE] Brick Wall-JENTER Family Hello To Every one, My brick wall is my Huguenot, Laux JENTER born circa 1580 in France, escaped into Germany and settled in Heselwangen, BW, Germany. His son was Laux Richter JENTER, born 1633, I know not where. His son was Laux JENTER born 17 Oct 1654 in Heselwangen. I have church records from the Heselwangen Evangelisch Church in Heselwangen for him, born 1654, onward, all the way to myself. My Great Great grandfather Christian JENTER came to the USA at age 27 in 1854. Church records in Germany, from the Heselwangen Evangelisch and then from the Zillhausen Evangelisch, where my great great great great grandfather Johann Martin JENTER moved to from Heselwangen Germany, show that all the male line of JENTERS were weavers, most probably silk weavers. The towns of Heselwangen and Zillhausen Germany are about 3 miles apart. >From another HWE listers researching a surname similar to JENTER, the name she is researching is YENTER, she found some evidence that the JENTERS might have come from the town of Herbsheim, France, which is in Alsace Lorraine. This town over the many, many years has belong to both Germany and France, with many changing border lines. She also indicated the the name JENTER might have also been spelled JENDRE. A check with the LDS records show that Catholic church records for Herbsheim only go back to the 1600's. There are several postings on the IGI for the JENTER name in the United Kingdom. One Francis JENTER was christened 22 Feb 1559 at St Andrew Undershaft, London. The location of St Andrew on maps of London shows it crosses Threadneedle St, a know area of Huguenot Silk Weavers. A few other records of JENTERS on the IGI in the United Kingdon show that the early JENTER name also appear in areas also know to have been places where Huguenots lived. It is possible that these early JENTERS in the IGI in the United Kingdon, were relatives of my Germany JENTER ancestors. I have found several surnames silimar to JENTER also on the IGI from the UK, in areas where Huguenots were know to have lived. They include JENDRE, GENDER, GENDRE, also a possible spelling might have been YENTER. In Germany the name JENTER is pronounced as if the first letter was Y instead of a J. In the USA the name JENTER is pronounced with the first letter as J. Please excuse this long message, but anyone with ideas or suggestions in helping me over my brick wall would be most appreciated. Thank you in advance. Karen JENTER Michigan USA ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== To access list archives: go to URL's below for 1)threaded or 2)keyword 1) http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/huguenots-walloons-europe 2) http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ============================== Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

Bob, Yet more information on the above. I have found 205 references to the name Le Fay at the Paris bibliotheque and on checking the first 86 have found the following 1. The name Fay de La Tour is mentioned in a publication entitled "Maubourg - Illustrations de Jean Paret" 2. There is a publication "Genealogie des Fay de La Tour Maubourg 14-18 siècle" 3. Another publication entitled " Les huit quartiers du l'ordre de Malte au grande prieure d'Auvergne" includes references to a Fay de Geriande and a Fay de La Tour Maubourg. If you think it worthwhile I will happily go through the remaining references and see what they produce. Roy

Listers -- thanks to those of you who have sent replies to the list directed at Armel Francois (note that Armel is his first name and Francois his surname) re: Arras area. This was as a result of messages from Armel which I forwarded to the list on 13 Mar (Subject line: Fw: Protestants in Arras area, FRA). As I mentioned on 13 Mar, Armel is *not* a subscriber to this list. Therefore, he will not see any messages you post here. That was why I asked that replies be directed to him personally (armel.francois@wanadoo.fr) but posted to the list as well for general interest. So, I thank you for sending messages on this subject to the list but I hope those who have done so have also contacted Armel directly. Andrea

Hello, I'm not sure how much use this is to François but I thought I should list my brickwall which includes CARPENTIER. In June 1689 at Threadneedle Street I have a marriage entry. Marie Madeleine CARPENTIER of Bohins in Picardie, daughter of Marc CARPENTIER and Marie MILO married Pierre LOBJOIT of Elmé in Picardie, son of Daniel LOBJOIT and Jeanne GRANDIN. My brickwall is not being able to locate these places in France. Picardie was a much larger area at that time and could possibly have included parts of Pas de Calais. Cheers, Zoe Archer Ontario Canada

Hi Bob, I will try and set out such information as I have been able to find but let me first say that I do not think it will be a great deal of help. The following are all taken from "Les familles protestantes en France 16 siècle - 1792" published by the Archives Nationales in Paris 1. There is a reference to Le Puy-en-Velay in the departmental archives of Hérault. The reference is C 370 and it is an ecclesiastical record concerning the dioceses of Puy, Nimes, Mende and Vivier and is a list of new converts. Although it contains some 500 pages it only appears to cover the period 1750 - 1751. It may well be worth checking in that it does seem to be a large document for such a short time span. Perhaps this was when the document was prepared? 2. As I indicated earlier there is also a reference to Fay-sur-Lignon and Fay-en l'Election (I Forgot the l' in my previous mail). This is reference C 356 and can also be found at Hèrault. This is a similar document to the above but is dated(?) 1745. It also appears to list the places in the diocese of Puy and these are:- Beaujeu, Bellecombe, Bonnas, Chambon-Prieuré, Devesset, Fay-en-l'Election, Brottes, Mas-de-Tence, Montusclat, Pleyné, Romières, and Vielhermas. This section comprises 28 pages. 3. A reference is also made to Fayet-lès-Annonay and whilst this name may not be relevant it has unearthed a potentially interesting private archives. These are the "Archives privées. Ardèche presbytère d'Annonay". Whilst principally covering Ardèche they also cover parts of the Haute-Loire. The interesting thing is that for the later cover the period 1576 - 1667. I can give you the address where these records are kept if this is of interest. Alternatively I see from a footnote that there is a copy at the Society d'histoire du protestantes in Paris - as a member of this society I can obtain a copy as an alternative to your writing to Ardèche. I then consulted the Paris bibliotheque and I think I may have hit the jackpot? They have a publication"Dictionnaire genéalogique - Famillies d'Auverge+index ètabli" par Marie-Renée Sauvadet. This lists the history of Fay, de. Fay sur Lignon, 43, 14 - 19 siècle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert W Fay" <madgrad77@clsurf.com> To: <HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [HWE] Sainte-Sigolene, Languedoc | Thanks Roy, | | First I was mistaken and you are absolutely correct that it is Auverge. My knowledge of French geography is limited at this point but I'm fortunate to have French and English cousins much more adept at it. From the website it mentions Tour de Maubourg and there was a marriage of Jean Fay to Cha | rlette la Tour Maubourg in 1480, and that established one of the five known branches of the Fays in France. It is generally referred to as Fay Tour de Maubourg, apparently right about the time place names were being adopted as surnames, so it's a bit confusing. | | Yes, the locations are very difficult. Here is an excerpt of a geographical description from a cousin: | | <snip> | "all the places he quotes are in a beautiful area south west | of the city of Lyon. Le Puy-en-Velay, Fay-sur-Lignon, and Maubourg form an | almost equilateral triangle. Yes! Maubourg is a tiny village about 10k south | west of Sainte Sigolene, across the river Lignon from Grazac. These places | are all in the Michelin Motoring Atlas of France, scale 1:200,000, pages | 128/9. Le Puy is on the headwaters of the Loire, which has its source south | of Fay-sur-Lignon. The Lignon flows into the Loire just north of Maubourg. | <snip> | Is it possible that "la Tour" is in fact the little village of Fay-la-Tour a | couple of kilometres east of Le Puy on the N88?" | <snip> | | We were finally fortunate enough to obtain reasonably specific geographical information on several in the 16th century. But probably the easiest to locate is Hector as he is noted to have been seneschal of Puy so perhaps he or his children or grandchildren or nieces or nephews were involved in t | he religious wars/emigration. Here is what we have on him thus far: | | FAY TOUR MAUBOURG, Hector | Sexe : Masculin | .Naissance: vers 1558, Ardeche Tour Maubourg | .Note: VILAIN p.379 : Hector de FAY seigneur et baron de LA TOUR MAUBOURG, senechal du PUY, marie le 5/2/1588 a Marguerite de la ROCHE NEGLY d'ou : Jacques | pere : F A Y TOUR MAUBOURG .Jean | Mere : PELOUX. Marguerite | Famille 1 : ROCHE NEGLY. Marguerite | | | There are four other known major branches and probably many other minor branches, and at least on a preliminary basis they also appear to be in this general area. When we get them translated and geographically located we can look at the potential Protestantism in those families. | | Does this help locate them better? | | Thanks, | Bob Fay | <snip> | | The Protestant records for Languedoc are vast with some 811 records listed | for the department although very few cover your time scale. The records for | Haute-Loire are poor with none covering the period you require although the | introduction does mention three places where Protestants were active in the | 16th century and these are Annonay, Puy and St-Voy-de-Bonnas. | If you could give me pointer to the precise location I will check if any of | the Languedoc records could be worth a look. | Roy.

Dear Jacqui, I just got a book from the library with ancestor charts of members of Berlin french reformed parishes around 1860-1880. (That means the charts were made up if a descendant was member around that time). Book title: Dr. Richard Beringuier: Stammbäume der Mitglieder der Fanzösischen Colonie in Berlin, Berlin 1885 There is one for Samuel BOUVIER born 1652 in St. Gignes (Diöces d'Uzes), left France in 1685 and died in Magdeburg 1735. His son Pierre born 1697 in Magdeburg has the profession stockings-maker master (Strumpfwirkermeister), that could fit to the silk weaver. It might not be the exact family but could be the lead to France. Ina

Hello To Every one, My brick wall is my Huguenot, Laux JENTER born circa 1580 in France, escaped into Germany and settled in Heselwangen, BW, Germany. His son was Laux Richter JENTER, born 1633, I know not where. His son was Laux JENTER born 17 Oct 1654 in Heselwangen. I have church records from the Heselwangen Evangelisch Church in Heselwangen for him, born 1654, onward, all the way to myself. My Great Great grandfather Christian JENTER came to the USA at age 27 in 1854. Church records in Germany, from the Heselwangen Evangelisch and then from the Zillhausen Evangelisch, where my great great great great grandfather Johann Martin JENTER moved to from Heselwangen Germany, show that all the male line of JENTERS were weavers, most probably silk weavers. The towns of Heselwangen and Zillhausen Germany are about 3 miles apart. >From another HWE listers researching a surname similar to JENTER, the name she is researching is YENTER, she found some evidence that the JENTERS might have come from the town of Herbsheim, France, which is in Alsace Lorraine. This town over the many, many years has belong to both Germany and France, with many changing border lines. She also indicated the the name JENTER might have also been spelled JENDRE. A check with the LDS records show that Catholic church records for Herbsheim only go back to the 1600's. There are several postings on the IGI for the JENTER name in the United Kingdom. One Francis JENTER was christened 22 Feb 1559 at St Andrew Undershaft, London. The location of St Andrew on maps of London shows it crosses Threadneedle St, a know area of Huguenot Silk Weavers. A few other records of JENTERS on the IGI in the United Kingdon show that the early JENTER name also appear in areas also know to have been places where Huguenots lived. It is possible that these early JENTERS in the IGI in the United Kingdon, were relatives of my Germany JENTER ancestors. I have found several surnames silimar to JENTER also on the IGI from the UK, in areas where Huguenots were know to have lived. They include JENDRE, GENDER, GENDRE, also a possible spelling might have been YENTER. In Germany the name JENTER is pronounced as if the first letter was Y instead of a J. In the USA the name JENTER is pronounced with the first letter as J. Please excuse this long message, but anyone with ideas or suggestions in helping me over my brick wall would be most appreciated. Thank you in advance. Karen JENTER Michigan USA

Hi I have a BIG BRICK WALL. I am a descendant of Samuel & Ann (Marchant) BOUVIER. The person I am having trouble with is Samuel BOUVIER. He was b. c1757 don't know where. Died Bethnal Green 1831 a wealthy silk weaver. I would love to know his parents. Also in Bethnal Green there were a few other Bouvier's around the same age as Samuel Bouvier, I am hoping they are all related, because the christened their kids where Samuel's family were christened & all the kids names were the same as Samuel's kids. The names found for the bouvier's are Elizabeth, Ann, Goerge, Peter, Mary. I don't know if Samuel was born in London or if he came from France. I know he had 2 sister's Elizabeth Bouvier b. 1748 never married, died in 1836 Bethnal Green & Ann who married Thomas Reynolds. Has anyone seen anything on the name BOUVIER in their London/Middlesex research at any time. I have been stuck on this line now for 16 years. Regards Jacqui