hmmm the travelling Fuller is obviously enjoying life to the fullest. Why does jealousy rise in my blood. I for one am most interested in the temple story and associated pictures. I am sure we all await the return of the traveller to the little island of the mainland. Kind Regards, Peter Leroy

Hello Everyone I've just been looking through my lists (for something else, as is usually the case), and come across this entry in the March (Cambs) Parish Records I remember seeing the name FLANDERS on the list from time to time because it immediately reminded me of the Simpsons TV programme If anyone has the Amos FLANDERS as mentioned below in their Tree, I have some ANKER info you might be interested in. I am also in contact with a descendant of the father of Margaret Ellen ANKER who has a lot more info on this branch of the ANKER family 1871 Apr 19 FLANDERS Amos bac policeman s of Charles lab ANKER Margaret Ellen sp d of Joseph serjant of police Wits: Joseph Anker, Mary Anker Regards David Anker

In a message dated 8/27/03 1:25:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > The STUTEVILLE name comes from another marriage to a male STEVENSON and is > another Mary! marrying in Greenwich abt 1783. I've got back two further > generations but that is it. I know the STUTEVILLE name goes way back across the > Channel so again has anyone got any info on this lady? > Hi Alan, I couldn't find anything with regard to a Mary STUTEVILLE marrying a male STEVENSON in Greenwich circa 1783. I did, however, find that a Mary STUTEVILLE married a Joseph STEVENSON at St. Botolph Without, Aldgate (or Aldersgate) in 1809. This appears to be a generation later than the Mary and the male Stevenson that you are seeking, but I thought it worth a mention. Now you possibly have two unknown Mary STUTEVILLEs rather than the one you started with...sorry about that! :-) Regards and good luck, Jan Zwarick

Hi everybody, I'm new to this list so let me explain where I am coming from. On my wife's side of our FT she has a lady called MARY GALLOPINE marrying a Joseph STEVENSON in London in 1762. Mary was the daughter of a James Gallopine and this line appears to have all been Coopers and/or Citizens /Freemen of the City of London. Through apprenticeship docs I have been able to get back to a Pierre GALLOPPIN approx 1620. The name is obviously French in origin and I am pretty sure this is the connection to a Huguenot immigration. Although other abbreviations of the surname exist coming forward, the surname in this particular family is constant but seems to have died out in the mid 1800's however, one line of Stevensons kept using the GALLOPINE name and spelling as second given names up until the 1900's. I have other interesting info on this family, properties etc (including one cracker!) so if anyone has an interest I'd love to hear from them. The STUTEVILLE name comes from another marriage to a male STEVENSON and is another Mary! marrying in Greenwich abt 1783. I've got back two further generations but that is it. I know the STUTEVILLE name goes way back across the Channel so again has anyone got any info on this lady? Thanks again regards Alan Y

I just read the book The Virgin Blue last month too, so I'd recommend it too. Carolyn Lucado Griffin

Hi Deborah, My name is Becky Carden, and I'm new to the group! I just wanted to say, I second your recommendation on "The Virgin Blue", by Tracy Chevalier! I read it this month, and it was fabulous!! I had never read anything by her before, but now I want to read her other books! My ancestors, Oziers, were from the Languedoc region of France, where the book was set, so this made me enjoy even more! Becky

I don't remember seeing mention of this novel on this list, but apologies if it has already been mentioned. I am reading The Virgin Blue by Tracy Chevalier. It is a novel about an American woman searching for her French Huguenot ancestors. The author had a subsequent hit with Girl With A Pearl Earring, so the publisher is reprinting this earlier novel. I am finding it good summer reading. Plus, how often is does a novel revolve around genealogy, and Huguenot genealogy, no less?

The night the suppression of these dues happened is August 4th 1789. It began by bthe action of the youngest member of the Noailles family , le vicomte de Noailles , a relative of the wife of the marquis de La Fayette . some historians have suspected that because he was the youngest and couldn't get any of the advantages of his family's wealth, he decided to ask for the suppression because he wouldnt lose anything and he could make a name for himself . But his speech opened the doors to the abolition of privileges so still now in France , la "nuit du 4 aôut " is still a political term meaning a new beginning lastr week a member of ecological association asked for a new "nuit du 4 août ". Luc

Hello All, Ever wondered why you can't find some records of your ancestors and yet you just "know" that they had to exist? Well, here I shall mention a quaint little feudal system goings on that perhaps has escaped you memory from those heady days of high school French Revolutionary history. Burned! Up until the Revolution the "good guys" or the people of France - (see Third Estate), didn't own much land, in fact they probably didn't actually own any land at all, unless they happen to be very handy with a sword and kept the local Lord in power. So! What has this to do with all things Huguenot ? Possibly not a great deal, but if you were at an unplanned delay in your family research you may be wondering about other "documents" that could be out there ? Well if you are looking for these records of 'seignorial dues' , which would actually show just how well off or not so well off your ancestors were, if less than minor nobility, then you could be in for some luck that is not required when searching for the impossible. On a so so day in August of 1789, Mirabeau and his collegues came up with an idea. No more paying dues to the Nobility. Yeehaa, went the voices of France, and so from then until October, the kindly folks who paid there dues for hundreds of years, yes folks even in the Huguenot times, went around the contry-side breaking into chateau's seizing these records and documents and promptly burned them. Some even went as so far to burn the entire chateau to the ground. That should fix those pesky nobles as now they don't know who owes what and even if they did, we aren't going to pay. Ah! Liberty, Equality and all that good revolutionary stuff. So, what am I on about this time ? If you are at that 'pause' in your research, then perhaps you could search for any 'seignorial dues' paid either by your ancestor or indeed in some family situations, to your ancestor. You may be lucky. Well, it would be yet another document to add to your family historical collection. Kind Regards, Peter Leroy

I am a new subscriber to the list because I have suddenly found myself deep in Huguenot territory on my mother's side (Du Bles and Decaufour) as well as on my father's (Follenfant). My ggg grandfather Thomas Edward Hall, a musical instrument maker in London, was the son of James Hall and Mary Du Bles who married in 1797 in St Alphege in Canterbury. Mary Du Bles was the daughter of Eduard Francois Du Bles and Mary Cock, married 1774 in St Peter, Canterbury and Eduard Francois Du Bles was, I think the son of Charles Du Bles and Esther Decaufour, married in St Alphege 1741. I know that there was a Charles Du Bles who was a pastor of the French Protestant Church in Canterbury and I am wondering if it might be the same person. There always has been a family story of there being a French name Du Bles in the family but over the years the spelling has been corrupted to Dubeley and used as a middle name. I would be delighted to hear from anyone on this list with the same connections. Bronwyn Stuckey Australia

I recall my 'worldy-wise' older sister telling me when I was a teenager in the early 1950's in Auckland, New Zealand, that you could tell who the homosexuals were because they wore yellow socks! Yellow and black are the colours used in NZ for road signs because I understand they stand out better than all other signs. Barbara Holt in NZ

Shirley Arabin Mount Maunganui, New Zealand . ----- Original Message ----- From: GPG Robinson To: david.j.hedges ; [email protected] Cc: Ken Francis ; Shirley Arabin Sent: Saturday, 9 August 2003 11:57 Subject: Re: Huguenots at Vimy To add to David Hedges response. There are many hundreds of souterraines in northern France mostly resulting from quarrying of firm chalk for building. Many date back to medieval times or earlier and many were indeed used for refuge. However as David says all the tunnels at Vimy are of Great War origin although two of the subways were linked into souterraines. There are several in Neuville St Vaast, La Targette, and Maison Blanche to name but some from which the Germans were ejected by the French in 1915. As mentioned by David there are numerous souterraines in the environs of Arras that were connected up in 1916 and early 1917 to form extensive underground barracks, HQ and storage facilities. Much of the work on connecting these and making them habitable was by the New Zealand Tunnelling Company. If memory serves me correctly the main Huguenot centre was the Vendee. It is quite possible that the geology there is sandstone and that there were caverns cut out for storage etc. But certainly no sandstone at or near Vimy. There is an awful lot of myth about the tunnels in the Vimy area. regards Phillip Robinson ----- Original Message ----- From: david.j.hedges To: [email protected] Cc: Phillip Robinson ; Puxley, Al ; Ken Francis ; Shirley Arabin Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 12:02 PM Subject: Huguenots at Vimy Luc Shirley Arabin in New Zealand passed me your email re the Vimy tunnels ******* you wrote: Searching in a guide book on the north of France , I found out that the sandstone tunnels at the Vimy battlefield were used by Huguenots hiding in 16th and 17th centuries. Luc *********** There are mediaeval caves under Arras near Vimy but these are all in chalk. There is no sandstone in the Vimy area. The WW1 tunnels at Vimy are all constructed in WW1 and are not mediaeval, although it is likely that there are mediaeval caves in Vimy village itself, (they would be typically near the church), that I am unaware of. However your comment sparked a memory because in a mediaeval cave under Arras that was turned into a military hospital in WW1 there is a wall carving a local historian knowledgeable on the Huguenots commented might be their work. I attach a very poor photo. Hope you can see the chalice to the top of the picture. Regards David Hedges UK

Re the thread of the yellow doors, the question was posed, why yellow? >From the Huguenot Society of South Africa's web site,note the following quote: "The four arms of the Maltese cross are sometimes regarded as the heraldic form of the four petals of the Lily of France (golden yellow irises, signifying the Mother Country of France) which grows in the south of France. The lily is also the symbol of purity. The arms symbolisze the four Gospels" Maybe there is a connection. More info on the Huguenot Cross at <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/8140/x-eng.htm">http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/8140/x-eng.htm</A> Cheers Chas Geoffroy Oregon, USA

Hi Peter, Very interesting question. After all weren't the Star of David's the Jews wore yellow? Also if I remember Jews were separated by different color star's. Disabled Jews wore one color, homosexuals another color, I think they even separated out those who were Jewish sympathizers and forced them to wear different colored stars if they were interned. Probably why ladies of the evening always lived in the red light district. Just goes to show color goes well beyond what we would normally belief. I would be interested to see what others might come up with. Thanks for posting, very interesting. I have never heard of that Huguenot yellow, but it is something to think about. I am always very interested in hearing different things about the Huguenots. Thanks for posting. Karen JENTER Michigan

Hello Listers, I should clear something up before it drifts off my original question or comment. The time period that doors were painted Yellow was the 10th and 11th century. It was done to identify criminals such as traitors. What I am asking ..... Was it continued on in France and was it common in the Huguenot days ? The second part is Why would they use the colour yellow ? Kind Regards, Peter Leroy

Hello Peter Leroy I think yellow ist the color of danger, and perhaps it goes back to that time. Yellow means: Be carefull. You can't trust this man/woman. I think some insects that are dangerous have the same colors: bees. I have been told we have it from the insect world. In hospitals they often use yellow marks with black triangle to show a blood test can be infected with decease, wich can be contagious. Warnings against computervirus can have the same mark: yellow and black. Jews were wearing yellow David stars as a mark under the 2. world war. I think I have read somewere, that also huguenots, who had been recatholiced during force and pressure were wearing coats with a yellow cross on their back. Sorry I can't remember were I read it. Hanne Thorup Koudal Denmark

Elisabeth, I read this and as I'm still searching informations about the Hotman family (ancestors of the famous french Huguenot jurist François Hotman) in 15th and early 16th century in Breslau . They had that time were already goldsmiths ,jewellers from what I read. Have you seen that name or do you know where or whom I could contact about them? Luc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elisabeth Nyhammer-Gustavsson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 5:23 PM Subject: [HWE] Huguenots in Breslau (Wroclau) Hi, Is there anyone who knows if there were any huguenots in Breslau in Germany (now Wroclaw in Poland) after 1685? If so, which church do they belong to? I can´t find any protestantic church I can order microfilm at Family Search. Elisabeth Nyhammer-Gustavsson ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== Website for the Huguenots-Walloons-Europe list at: http://www.island.net/~andreav/index.html Lots of information, links to other sites, surnames list. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I agree with the idea of danger linked to the yellow color, the "scabs" in a strike situation were and are still maybe called "jaunes" "yellow" in France. There is an " avenue de la Porte Jaune" in Paris but I've not yet found out why. But not every culture has that idea about yellow , by Google searching "portes jaunes" I found this in Hue Vietnam http://www.pacificvietnam.com/.tours/highlight/Fascinating%20Vietnam.htm NGO MON GATE : this is the principal entrance to the Imperial Enclosure and faces the Flag Tower. The central passageway with its yellow doors was reserved for use by the emperor, as was the bridge across the lotus pond. Luc

hello Everyone well, what an interesting little question first of all, I have to say, I do not know the answer, but a few observations and questions do spring to mind to call someone a coward often comes along with connotations of yellow, for example "yeller belly", or at least it did in our school, and now I'm immediately reminded of a kids rhyme that begins with "yeller belly custard" and I wonder what was the reaction of the people who's front door was painted yellow ? - did they leave it yellow, or did they paint it a different colour, or did they just leave town through fear of being chastised or persecuted Regards David Anker Hello Fine Listers, Now this may not be exactly Huguenotty, however as all listers are avid French historians I thought I would ask here on this list of all lists. In the 10th century in France it was common for the front doors of traitors and criminals homes to be painted yellow. Does anyone know why it was yellow instead of pink or blue or primrose ? Kind Regards, Peter Leroy