"About 1700 there were 35 French churches in London and suburbs, 11 of these in Spitalfields. The French church in Threadneedle Street was the oldest in London and the one to which refugees reported for recognition. Threadneedle Church received the Huguenot Calvinists while the French Episcopal Church in Savoy received Protestents of the Lutheran persuasion. New settlements required new churches such as Bristol, Exeter, Plymouth, Stonehouse, Dartmouth, Barnstable, and Thorpe-le-Soken. In many of these congregations the refugees were seafaring people: captains, masters, and sailors from Nantes, Saumur, Saintonge, and La Rochelle." SOURCE: Reaman, C. Elmore , The Trail of the Huguenots in Europe, the United States, South Africa and Canada, p. 81

"About 1700 there were 35 French churches in London and suburbs, 11 of these in Spitalfields. The French church in Threadneedle Street was the oldest in London and the one to which refugees reported for recognition. Threadneedle Church received the Huguenot Calvinists while the French Episcopal Church in Savoy received Protestents of the Lutheran persuasion. New settlements required new churches such as Bristol, Exeter, Plymouth, Stonehouse, Dartmouth, Barnstable, and Thorpe-le-Soken. In many of these congregations the refugees were seafaring people: captains, masters, and sailors from Nantes, Saumur, Saintonge, and La Rochelle." SOURCE: Reaman, C. Elmore , The Trail of the Huguenots in Europe, the United States, South Africa and Canada, p. 81

Synod of Dordt From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synod_of_Dordt The Synod of Dordt met in the city of Dordrecht in 1618-1619, as a general assembly of representatives from the Reformed churches in eight foreign countries, together with representatives of the Dutch churches in the host country of the Netherlands. Hope this helps. Sandra =============================================== Sandra Muys & Edwin Hamelink, Terneuzen, The Netherlands web Edwin: http://people.zeelandnet.nl/ehamelink web Sandra: http://www.geocities.com/muys.rm web Claude the crab: http://muys.tripod.com e-mail Edwin: [email protected] e-mail Sandra: [email protected] ICQ# Edwin: 4719097 ICQ# Sandra: 8970316 Heemkundige Ver. Terneuzen: http://go.to/hvt Heemkundeweb: http://go.to/heemkunde Historie Terneuzen: http://www.terneuzen.com/historie =============================================== -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Verzonden: vrijdag 19 september 2003 21:28 Aan: [email protected] Onderwerp: Re: [HWE] Synod of Dordt Ah memories of my highschool love Gerda van Tilbourg, tis odd how the human mind works at times, just seeing a similar can provoke all manner of delight. > I assume this synod has taken place in Dordrecht > (Netherlands) as Dordt was the old name of the town. Hmm an atlas, my computer desk for an atlas. Perhaps another Walloon descendent can advise if Dordrecht and Dordt are one and the same. Gerda assumes that this is so ? Hmm I have no idea now and so I shall ask. Ar the Arminsians also Walloon ? Kind Regards, Peter Leroy ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== Be a participating subscriber! Post your surname interests often. Once a month is about right, or more often if you have new details. Address your post to [email protected] ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Listers, http://voc.websilon.nl/ A listing of the people who were on board the VOC ships that left from Delft, Hoorn and Rotterdam. Sorry, but it's in dutch (i can help with the translation if you need it). Click "zoeken" and the last name you can fill in at: achternaam. Period covered is 1700-1794. Hope this helps. Sandra =============================================== Sandra Muys & Edwin Hamelink, Terneuzen, The Netherlands web Edwin: http://people.zeelandnet.nl/ehamelink web Sandra: http://www.geocities.com/muys.rm web Claude the crab: http://muys.tripod.com e-mail Edwin: [email protected] e-mail Sandra: [email protected] ICQ# Edwin: 4719097 ICQ# Sandra: 8970316 Heemkundige Ver. Terneuzen: http://go.to/hvt Heemkundeweb: http://go.to/heemkunde Historie Terneuzen: http://www.terneuzen.com/historie =============================================== -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Verzonden: vrijdag 19 september 2003 21:23 Aan: [email protected] Onderwerp: [HWE] Huguenots - Far East Hello Fellow Listers Now it has come to my mind that not all refugee Huguenots surely wandered off to far off North America, Wales, Ireland, Belgium, England, South Africa or Scotland. I wonder if any made the journey to the East Indies, afterall the Dutch did have a huge stake in that region. Perhaps some settled in India or even far off Cathay ? I know some did make it as far as Australia, although they were more likely the ancestors of Huguenots. Did Dirk Hartog have Walloon crew members ? For those who are not aware or have forgotten basic history, he happened to bump into Australia some 150 years prior to the Englishman Cook. And how, if our brave ancestors did arrive in the east, did they get there ? And what became of them after they arrived ? Kind of opens the field somewhat ? Kind Regards, Peter Leroy ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== When posting to the HWE list: SURNAMES written in capitals, s'il vous plaît. Also, please specify dates and location, including country. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Many, many thanks Peter Leroy. Just knowing that there definitely were Huguenots in Wales who, from there could easily have gone to Ireland where known family have lived for three hundred years, has given me fresh heart. I suspect our name could have been Cappell. regards, Coral (Cupples) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 1:59 PM Subject: [HWE] Huguenot - Wales > In one of the moments of pondering, the mind suddenly > gave way to considering more on the thought of Welsh > Huguenots or should that be Huguenots who toddled off > to Wales ? > > Now perhaps this is not exactly to do with genealogy > but a few names cold be the beginnings of a good chase > if one were seeking ancestors in that part of the world. > > > Kind Regards, > Peter Leroy > > > ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== > Have you submitted your surnames for our list web site? > To do so will make your names accessible to others on the Web. > For more info, contact Andrea (list admin)at [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Guys Esteemed, eh Shirley, never been called that before but thank you - and when you're in London, I'd be happy to show you (even have lunch?) a couple of quick win libraries that you might want to visit. OK, Huguenots in the Far East. The Dutch VOC (equiv of the British Honourable East India Company) had a large Huguenot staffing complement, which is inevitable considering the Dutch propensity for Protestantism. The paper I'm reading in Dublin (18th October, Gilbert Library, limited places but some left) is on behalf of an Australian academic who has written a paper on the VOC which is not one of my personal research areas but I can answer questions on it at the conference. My paper is on the family of the equally esteemed family of Kinta and Jack Delamain, not sure whether they still belong to this group, who were Huguenots who ended up in the East India Company via Ireland, England, some went back to France, New Zealand, Mexico and the US. My paper is based on a recent history of Jack's Delamain line which I researched and wrote for him. Interestingly, when the HEIC was founded in 1600 and for the first 200 years of its history, only Protestants were admitted as shareholders and in the 1600s and early 1700s men going out to India had to prove baptism into the Anglican Church, a practice which continued in their maritime department until it was disbanded in 1833. In the early days in India the factors and other English company people had to attend prayers twice a day and they were fined if they failed to do so. Incidentally, I now have hundreds of references to Huguenots in the HEIC, especially those attending the HEIC Military Seminary at! Addiscombe in SE London, which I'm preparing for publication at some time next year, but it's still WIP. A tangential point. Jack and Kinta live in N Carolina in the wonderfully named Kill Devil Hills. I was shocked to see that the recent hurricane which hit the eastern seaboard hit Kill Devil Hills and the suggestion on the BBC was that was where the hurricane first made land. I'm sure that we would all be thinking of out friends and colleagues (huge Huguenot group and library in S Carolina and many Huguenot descendants in both states) from HWE that may have been effected by the hurricane. Even if they have no power at the moment, they will eventually get this message so good luck guys. Right, that's it for the time being. I have the pics back from my recent French holiday and definitely househunting there now, so if anybody has an interest in the French Protestant Church at Bergerac (where, so I read, Cyrano did NOT come from despite there being a statue of him across the road from the Church) let me know and I'll send pics. And they have a series of lectures at the Church throughout the summer so I'm going to get in touch to see whether they want an English Huguenot descended person to give a paper there - not that I need an excuse to go back!!!!!! Take care guys Regards Tony Fuller

Hullo Peter, In a previous email (17th Sept) you mentioned that you thought a lot of Huguenots fled France and went due North to Wales and again on 17th Sept. in another email you mention Wales as you do also in this email. This interests me greatly as my Huguenots (whose French name I do not know) so we are told in family lore 'came through Wales.' However, I've never found, despite my efforts, very much about Huguenots and Wales and I've been starting to wonder if it's not just a lot of misinformation that my family has swallowed whole. You speak as if you know something I don't and I'm wondering if / hoping that you, or anyone else for that matter, can tell me more or direct me to somewhere I can find out more about Huguenots and Wales. I really enjoy your musings and I can safely say that I have learnt such a lot from them and for that I thank you, regards, Coral ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 7:22 AM Subject: [HWE] Huguenots - Far East Hello Fellow Listers Now it has come to my mind that not all refugee Huguenots surely wandered off to far off North America, Wales, Ireland, Belgium, England, South Africa or Scotland. Kind Regards, Peter Leroy ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== When posting to the HWE list: SURNAMES written in capitals, s'il vous plaît. Also, please specify dates and location, including country. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I need help from someone more familiar with London libraries than myself. (I have used PRO, SOG, and Guildhall on earlier visits) In my research into General William John ARABIN I have come across references to him taking part in plays- in one case 'before their majesties at Richmond' and in 'The Prince of Wales Company of Comedians' (c1788). He was known to have been a friend of the Prince until they fell out over an insult. Where would I find books please on that period, the Royal family etc. that I could read in a library. Also where would I find a set of Who's Who for the 20th century? I leave for London on 23rd and will have 4 days to dash to Kew, British Library, and Hug Soc library. Shirley Arabin Mount Maunganui, New Zealand .

Our esteemed contributor, T.Fuller, will read a paper entitled "The Huguenots in the Dutch East India Company" at the seminar on Huguenot Military Officers in Ireland, in October. Shirley Arabin Mount Maunganui, New Zealand . > > I wonder if any made the journey to the East Indies, > afterall the Dutch did have a huge stake in that > region. Perhaps some settled in India or even far off > Cathay ? >

Andrew Is the La Trobe any connection to one of the founders of the State of Victoria, Australia ? (He might have been the first governor; I am sure one of our colleagues across the ditch will follow up on this) He has streets, a valley, and a university named after him (and a library and probably many more things). I have come across an Edward La Trobe Hill, who was an architect in Rotorua (NZ) during a project researching historic buildings. His name comes from his mother's side and there are claims to a connection with the man in Victoria. Shirley Arabin Mount Maunganui, New Zealand .

Bronwyn and Shirley - Between the two of you you have mostly answered a query of Peter's I received off list. Charles Joseph La Trobe was a first cousin of Benjamin Henry La Trobe, Christian Ignatius La Trobe being the brother of Benjamin Henry's father, Benjamin Latrobe who was born in Dublin. Their father, James Latrobe, was born in Waterford, 1702. He was married to Sophie de Montmollin (daughter of François August de Montmollin and Rose de Meuron) on 16 Sep 1835 in Berne, Switzerland. Sophie de Montmollin was born on 9 Feb 1809 in Neuchâtel. She died on 30 Jan 1854 in Neuchâtel. I have just come across a web page devoted to Charles Joseph L T which our antipodean members may find of interest: http://pweb.netcom.com/~latrobe/CJLaTrobe.htm One point I should emphasise, I am not a blood relative of the La Trobes, only by marriage. Lydia Sellon, daughter of Rev. William Sellon and first wife of Benjamin Henry La Trobe, is a third great grand aunt of mine. Yours Aye Andrew Sellon East Anglia Seeing a child stoop down and stroke a turtle Sydney Smith asked "Why are you doing that?" "To please the turtle" answered the child. "Why, you might just as well stroke the dome of St. Paul's to please the Dean and Chapter," said Sydney. Rev. Sydney Smith 1771-1854, Canon of St. Paul's. From: "Bronwyn Stuckey" [email protected] > The following details about La Trobe appears in a site in the library named after him on the street named after him in Melbourne, Victoria. > > Charles Joseph La Trobe was the first Superintendent of the Port Phillip District from 1839 to 1850 and first Lieutenant-Governor of the new colony of Victoria, Australia from 1851 to 1854. Washington Irving describes him as "a man of a thousand occupations; a botanist, a geologist, a hunter of beetles and butterflies, a musical amateur, a sketcher of no mean pretensions : in short a complete virtuoso." La Trobe was born on 20th March 1801 in London "of French Huguenot descent". His father, Christian Ignatius La Trobe, was a great friend of Haydn and the musicologist Dr. Burney, and was himself a composer of keyboard sonatas which he dedicated to Haydn. > > There are innumerable public buildings in Victoria named after him. Hope this is of some interest. Perhaps the La Trobe descendants already know it all. >

The following details about La Trobe appears in a site in the library named after him on the street named after him in Melbourne, Victoria. Charles Joseph La Trobe was the first Superintendent of the Port Phillip District from 1839 to 1850 and first Lieutenant-Governor of the new colony of Victoria, Australia from 1851 to 1854. Washington Irving describes him as "a man of a thousand occupations; a botanist, a geologist, a hunter of beetles and butterflies, a musical amateur, a sketcher of no mean pretensions : in short a complete virtuoso." La Trobe was born on 20th March 1801 in London "of French Huguenot descent". His father, Christian Ignatius La Trobe, was a great friend of Haydn and the musicologist Dr. Burney, and was himself a composer of keyboard sonatas which he dedicated to Haydn. There is a biography of him with some family details about him on http://home.vicnet.net.au/~pioneers/pppg5ag.htm There are innumerable public buildings in Victoria named after him. Hope this is of some interest. Perhaps the La Trobe descendants already know it all. Bronwyn Stuckey, Australia

Thank you Peter for your suggestion which I will follow up. On reading the last few listings I am gaining the strong impression that the Huguenot clergy were interesting characters. Peter Sellon has his "silver tongued" ancestor. My Charles du Blés was evidently totally blind for 40 years while he conducted the services at the church in Canterbury and wrote that he "must keep in his mind the text, sermon, prayers, liturgie, psalms, catechism. &c., and that word for word, and who having gone through his duty is entirely exhausted, more dead than alive." He was also described as being "possessed of a somewhat combative disposition". I gather that there must be several letters written by him. I will contact the Huguenot Society and see if I can progress further. Best wishes Bronwyn Stuckey ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:07 PM Subject: [HWE] Re: [HWE] Charles du Blés Bronwyn has an interesting ancestor. Just as a first step I wonder if she has contacted the Huguenot Society ? http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/ or perhaps the Walloon Society, )yes they do have some webpage information in English) http://www.vallon.a.se/ Kind Regards, Peter Leroy ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== Be a participating subscriber! Post your surname interests often. Once a month is about right, or more often if you have new details. Address your post to [email protected] ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Shirley, have you looked in the bibliography at the end of articles in the Dctionnary of National Biographies? Sometimes ,in case of Royals, the bio there is so long that you don't need more ,just to look at other references of names. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley Arabin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 5:59 PM Subject: [HWE] help re books I need help from someone more familiar with London libraries than myself. (I have used PRO, SOG, and Guildhall on earlier visits) In my research into General William John ARABIN I have come across references to him taking part in plays- in one case 'before their majesties at Richmond' and in 'The Prince of Wales Company of Comedians' (c1788). He was known to have been a friend of the Prince until they fell out over an insult. Where would I find books please on that period, the Royal family etc. that I could read in a library. Also where would I find a set of Who's Who for the 20th century? I leave for London on 23rd and will have 4 days to dash to Kew, British Library, and Hug Soc library. Shirley Arabin Mount Maunganui, New Zealand . ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== When posting to the HWE list: SURNAMES written in capitals, s'il vous plaît. Also, please specify dates and location, including country. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Since LaTrobe has made an entry into the thread, in the probate records held by the Borthwick Institute of Historical Research (University of York, England) is: 1830 April 350 La Trobe, The Revd James Gottlieb of Fulneck, P.Calverley Vol 193 To unpack this a little, these are the English probate records that were processed by the Consistory Court of York, of the Archdiocese of York which covers most of Northern England. Probate records in England were dealt with by the Church of England until 1858. The particular record is in Volume 193, folio 350. Fulneck, in the parish of Calverley (Yorkshire), is the site of a long standing Moravian community, which still runs a school with a good reputation (web site http://www.fulneckschool.co.uk/Pages/Frames_On.htm ) John Lindley Wigginton NRY ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 6:01 PM Subject: [HWE] SELLON > Andrew, > > You have or are aware of this page ? > > Languedoc and Sellon, mentioned on the same page ? > > http://pw1.netcom.com/~latrobe/legend.htm > > Kind Regards, > Peter Leroy > . .

Peter - Lydia Sellon was a daughter of the afore mentioned Rev. William Sellon. She married the Monrovian Benjamin Henry La Trobe, (his uncle being a Monrovian Bishop) who was educated in Germany. He penned a delightful series of extraordinarily scurrilous pen pictures of all his Sellon in-laws, inclusive of father, mother the many brothers and sisters and their spouses. After Lydia died in childbirth he crossed the Atlantic, it is said to get out of the clutches of Henry Dundas, (a relative of mine on another side), where he introduced the classic form of architecture to that country. He worked on both the Capitol and the renovation of the White House after we British burnt it down in 1812 as well as many other major projects, (including the first R. C. Cathedral in the country). This interlocking of various religious faiths within families is fascinating, for La Trobe had an uncle who became a Muslim and also the Pasha of Belgrade. On his retirement he built a palace, inclusive of harem, on the Bosporus; Casanova in his memoirs recounts staying with him and having I high old time, I am told. No, I was unaware of this particular web page, for which many thanks. It was most interesting, bringing out a number of new points to me. I suspect that Languedoc is but an interesting coincidence. Yours Aye Andrew Sellon East Anglia Many of our clergy suppose that if there were no Church of England, cucumbers and celery would not grow; that mustard and cress could not be raised. Rev. Sydney Smith 1771-1854, Canon of St. Paul's. From: <[email protected]> > Andrew, > > You have or are aware of this page ? > > Languedoc and Sellon, mentioned on the same page ? > > http://pw1.netcom.com/~latrobe/legend.htm > > Kind Regards, > Peter Leroy

In one of the moments of pondering, the mind suddenly gave way to considering more on the thought of Welsh Huguenots or should that be Huguenots who toddled off to Wales ? Now perhaps this is not exactly to do with genealogy but a few names cold be the beginnings of a good chase if one were seeking ancestors in that part of the world. This little guest house seems to take some pride in claiming Huguenot descent and so it is inlcuded. Tucked away down in the south western region of Wales can be found The Glynhir Estate, set in the beautiful rural Carmarthenshire countryside in the foot hills of the Black Mountain Glynhir offers the visitor the tranquility that would be expected from an 18th Century Huguenot estate with its elegant Mansion House, walled gardens, parkland and spectacular 30 foot waterfall. This next little part article reads:- (it is describing a bicycle ride from Pembroke to Tenby in Pembrokeshire. "About four miles out of Lamphey turn left up Coal Lane and then right and right again into the old Huguenot weaving village of St, Florence. Go straight over the crossroads in the village and continue down the lane to a left at a T-junction that brings you out onto the A4139 which you cross into Kiln park caravan site. At the far side of the site cross the railway bridge and turn left along a traffic free path beside the golf course and into Tenby" Then if it means anything, there is a map drawn by the Huguenot cartographer John Rocque and published in 1753. Just some more musings Kind Regards, Peter Leroy

Does anyone have suggestions on how to follow this lead on my 6G grandfather ? Evidently he was the pastor of the French Church at Canterbury from 1733 to 1785 when he died. His biography in the history of that church (compiled by Francis Cross) says he was born in Leyden in 1705, "his father having taken refuge there during the Huguenot persecution", and went to university there. I suspect his parents were Charles du Blés and Françoise Blondel. I am not sure if it was actually his father or his grandfather who emigrated to Holland to escape persecution. I am hoping someone might be researching the same line. Bronwyn Stuckey

Peter - One, William of Clerkenwell, most certainly. (I'm not proud of the fact that he was known amongst his fellow Clerics as 'Silver Tongue Sellon'). Walter, (slightly older but a contemporary of William, although the Victorians had him noted as William's father), more uncertainly. Although with that name the answer has, in my unsupported opinion, to be 'yes', I have yet to fit him, (who is a somewhat shadowy figure), in. Still searching for a connection with the Languedoc Sellons. Yours Aye Andrew Sellon East Anglia Learn that Lady Caroline Lamb stabbed herself at Lady Ilchester's Ball for the love of Lord Byron, as it is supposed. What a Charming thing to be a Poet. I preached for many years in London and was rather popular, but never heard of a Lady doing herself the smallest mischief on my account. Rev. Sydney Smith 1771-1854, Canon of St. Paul's. From: <[email protected]> > > Thank you to Andrew Sellon. Hmm I wonder if the Sellon > mentioned in his post is an ancestor ? >

Hi all, From: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 3:39 PM > I wonder if anyone knows of the 'Synod of Dort' ? > > 1618 and it seems that not everyone was all excited > about this Calvinism. Especially is one were a follower > of Jacob Arminius. <snip> See: http://www.reformed.org/documents/canons_of_dordt.html I found that link on this site: http://puritanism.online.fr/index.html Regards, Howard [email protected]