Wrote to Peter before I saw this posting. Thanks, will go to this site also. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Fuller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 1:19 PM Subject: [HWE] And another data base to try > Hi folks > > Try this one, it is rather impenetrable but some of the contributors are well know Huguenot or French historians > > It's It is run by the CNRS, Paris, the contact is called Claud Del Vigna and the others concerned, the heavyweights, are Philippe Joutard and Michelle Magdelaine. The site address is http://cams-atid.ivry.cnrs.fr > > Hope this helps > > regards > > Tony Fuller > > ______________________________

Peter, do you know of any sites that would include information regarding French noble families in the 16th century? Rheims? Champagne area? Asking in regard to the Delaune family who were early Huguenots. I don't speak French, unfortunately, but can figure out some of it and maybe the sites will inspire me to learn the language! :-) And some of them offer translations. I just haven't been able to find this family in the above area though they were supposedly well known but then, I don't really know where to begin looking. Thanks for any assistance you can provide me and the list about this family. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 12:26 PM Subject: [HWE] Might Assist > Hello Listers, > > For whatever the reason I am asked to do some lookup > work and so I thought that I would share a webpage that > could be of assistance to some. > > http://www.memoiredeshommes.sga.defense.gouv.fr/index_en.htm > > Kind Regards, > Peter Leroy > > ______________________________

Hello Barbara, There are several well maintained databases in France dealing with minor nobility. There are none, that I know, that deal with us ordianry folk during the 15th and 16th century. However, just because I am not aware of any that does not mean that my cousins don't. I shall email them and throw your searched for name about. In the meantime, I assume that you know of this site as it mentions Gideon a few times as being related to one of the webpage owners. http://www.geocities.com/rduggan2/krd-ahn.txt Kind Regards, Peter Leroy

Hi folks Try this one, it is rather impenetrable but some of the contributors are well know Huguenot or French historians It's It is run by the CNRS, Paris, the contact is called Claud Del Vigna and the others concerned, the heavyweights, are Philippe Joutard and Michelle Magdelaine. The site address is http://cams-atid.ivry.cnrs.fr Hope this helps regards Tony Fuller

Hi Karen By all means get in touch with the Librarian but I'm not sure about getting copies posted out to you, I know it will take time and there will be a few weeks delay in dealing with your request. Email me outside the list and let me know where you are. If you're in the uk, it is probably easier and quicker for me to get the thing copied and sent out to you when I'm getting other stuff done tomorrow. And thanks for your comment, I really don't want to discourage anybody from asking for help that's why we're all here after all, just making sure that we do it in a more reasonable way sometimes. Regards Tony Fuller

Hi Tony, Thank you for taking the time out to give me information on books etc I can access to get more information on my search. Sorry for my ignorance but is the best place to find these books etc at the Huguenot library in London and is it in order for me to contact the librarian on the contact number you gave out on the list to make arrangements to make a visit to the library at a convenient time for him. Thanks Karen PS I will take your note of your comments on look ups I would like to find as much information as I can myself I just need some help to be pointed in the right direction. >From: "Tony Fuller" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [HWE] walloons in Canterbury/?huguenots Guernsey >Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 19:45:27 -0000 > >Hi Karen > >Can't help much (at all) with the Guernsey connection but there is masses >of stuff about the Walloon Church in Canterbury. It is done to death in >books like Robin Gwynn's Huguenot Heritage and Irene Scouloudi's editing of >Huguenots in Britain and their French Background 1550-1800. > >There are two editions of the Quarto Series dealing with the Canterbury >Church specifically (V and XV) and probably 40 references in the General >Index to the Quarto Series for 1885-1985. Plus many references in the >various volumes of the Proceedings. Probably the best way to proceed is >for me to have a quick look in the fiche index at the Library on Monday to >see whether there is any references to your guys. > >Regards > >Tony Fuller > > >==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== >When posting to the Huguenots-Walloons-Europe list: >Make your subject line specific and relevent. >eg. include topic or surname(s) and/or date and/or location. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Karen, This may be of interest to you, I came across an article in Vol Volume XIII, No 1 of the Hug Soc Proceedings, 1924 entitled 'The Huguenots in Kent' although the majority of it seems to be about Walloons and Huguenots. Stylistically, it's very dated by now and has nothing specific in it about your family but it seems to be a good background to your people's lives. Regards Tony Fuller

Hi Guys Sorry about this folks but I need to clarify and remind you of the generally accepted protocols for look ups on Rootsweb, just in case we (I) start to get swamped. If somebody posts a message to the community at large and another Lister feels the urge to do so, there is no problem of the Lister doing the look-ups voluntarily - it may be that the Lister has an interest in the research, family, name, whatever or they're just at a loose end looking for something to do. Similarly, if a Lister comes across a snippet of information, like the Arabin references in the Wagner Wills, and they feel the urge to do so and have a recollection that another Lister has an interest in a name, the Lister may feel it appropriate to make the information available through HWE or send it directly to the original researcher, as I did with Shirley. Again, if a Lister has come across a new source of information, has bought a new book, CDRom, whatever, and they offer to do look ups that is up to them, they are then obliged to deal with as many requests as are generated. Be warned, the last offer I made generated over 90 requests in 10 days. Asking individuals to do name searches creates problems. For a start it generates an expectation which may not be fulfilled. Secondly, with Huguenot names and the wide range of variations, the search may take some time to go through all the names. Thirdly, asking people, especially pro researchers like myself, to do look-ups is even more difficult because whilst we are doing them voluntarily, we are not earning any money. Don't get me wrong guys, if the interest takes me or if I have a new CDRom, book or whatever, I may do that but it IS voluntarily. One Rootsweb site I belong to has a very clear policy which reflects all of the above. Broadly, post general requests and see what happens, if you want to offer to do look-ups that's great but be aware that you may be swamped but asking people to do look ups is difficult and is, for me, really not on. If you want a number of look-ups undertaking or a number of name variations, you should really email or write to the Hug Soc in London. If the request is a simple one, they will deal with it as soon as they can, if not they will pass it on to their Research Officer who will charge you a commercial rate for the work. Alternatively, email me privately and I'll let you know how much it would cost for a quicker, professional look up at the Hug Soc Library. Regards Tony Fuller

Hi Tony, I was interested to read you mentioning the lookups you did for Shirley (in Agnew, Durrant Cooper or on the 17 volumes on the Family Tree Maker CDRom, Consistory Minutes for Threadneedle Street 1679-1692 nor in my book copy of Smiles, Charite de Spittlefields Hug Soc Quarto Series). I would be very grateful if you could check for these names for me: 1. SOREAU (SOREAUX, SORIAU, SORIAUX, SORREAU, SORRIAUX, SOUREAUX, SAURAUT, SORRAUT, SUREAU etc.). 2. PINCHON (PINCON, PINSON etc.). 3. DE DOUR (DE DOURE, DOUR, DOURE, DORE etc.). Regards, Will _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband

Hello Listers, For whatever the reason I am asked to do some lookup work and so I thought that I would share a webpage that could be of assistance to some. http://www.memoiredeshommes.sga.defense.gouv.fr/index_en.htm Kind Regards, Peter Leroy

Hi Karen Can't help much (at all) with the Guernsey connection but there is masses of stuff about the Walloon Church in Canterbury. It is done to death in books like Robin Gwynn's Huguenot Heritage and Irene Scouloudi's editing of Huguenots in Britain and their French Background 1550-1800. There are two editions of the Quarto Series dealing with the Canterbury Church specifically (V and XV) and probably 40 references in the General Index to the Quarto Series for 1885-1985. Plus many references in the various volumes of the Proceedings. Probably the best way to proceed is for me to have a quick look in the fiche index at the Library on Monday to see whether there is any references to your guys. Regards Tony Fuller

Hi Barbara I'll get a copy for you on Monday and will get it in the post to you next week sometime. Email me personally to give me your details rather than post for the whole world to see. Regards Tony

I wonder if you fine folks would assist a Huguenot descendant in Kentucky? I ’ve got lots of questions, but I’ll try to narrow it down to one a few. Pierre CAZALET ( b. abt 1649, Sommieres, Languedoc, d. Feb. 1698, Kenington) m. Anne BOURGUETTE (b. abt. 1664, France) at Générargues on Aug. 14, 1684. Their children were: Pierre CAZALET ( b. 1669, Sommieres, Languedoc, d. Nov. 1723, St. Barthemues, Royal Exchange, London) m. Anne Henriette NOIRAY at St. Giles in the Field, London on April 30, 1702. I can’t find anything about the NOIRAY family. Jean CAZALET (b. abt. 1671, Sommieres, Langudoc, d. Jan. 1741/42, Soho, London) m. Marie Madeleine FERMIGNAC (b. abt. 1675, d. 1750, Thrift St., Soho, London) at Threadneedle St. Church in Dec. 1703. Marie was the niece of Jacques FERMIGNAC m. Marie Madelene GARRICK St. Bride Fleet Street, London on January 22, 1717/18 I don’t know anything about the FERMIGNAC family. Elizabeth CAZALET (b. 1675) m. Jean Louis LOUBIER ( b. abt. 1675, Sommieres, Languedoc) at Threadneedle St. Church on Sept. 29, 1701. Their children were: Magdelaine LOUBIER (b. before July 26, 1704) John Lewis LOUBIER ( b. before August 30, 1702) That’s about all I know about them.

Hello Nancy, Quite the collection of names there to research. The name NOIRAY struck a note in my feeble mind and so I went on a small mission of discovery. You most likely know of the following snippet and if so then my apology but it may be of some use to others seeking information and so I enter it here. Way back in the olden days, Louis NOIRAY married Claudaz CHEVRON, 12th of March, 1234 actually in Savoie, Rhone Alpes. Noiray, I believe is a small village in that region ? Louis was a son of Jean-Claude NOIRAY, while Claudaz was the daughter of Claudaz JULIAN and Jean-Laurent CHEVRON, she had the following siblings :- Claude, Jean-Claude, Louis and François. Jean_Laurent CHEVRON's father was Pierre CHEVRON Now all that is required is to link the 13th century to the 16th. As a matter of minor information, for some reason, and I am too lazy to chase it up, I seem to remember a Jacques Noiray being an author in the 1800's why I associate him with Emile Zola is now lost in memory, perhaps another subscriber can offer opinion ? Kind Regards, Peter Leroy

Hi Tony, Yes, I would like a copy of the pamphlet you are talking about. I have seen references to this lecture but do not have the contents. I also ran across a booklet on eBay of all places "The London Apothecaries" first printed in 1932 (reprinted in 1955) by Cecil Wall, Senior Warden, Archivist to the Society with 3 drawings by Edward Swann and an engraving by Tho. H. Shepherd, 1830. Would you like for me to copy this for you also? I believe the Irish Huguenot Society Delaune listed on the Portarlington site is the son or grandson of Apothecary Delaune but I cannot obtain any other information from that Society other than that name is listed with others on the website. This booklet says the "Masters" arms are hanging in the society and Delaune was one of the earliest Masters but a source at the Hall told another newly found relative of mine that they were not there. I'm very interested in uncovering more Huguenot information but am having a hard time doing so. Gideon's father born in 1500s would have had to be one of the first of the group that started and it makes sense that he and family fled from France to England in 1585 or thereabouts and Gideon was established in King James Court as apothecary to the Queen. Any information you may have on the Huguenot connections of this family would be very important to me. His arms were issued March 7, 1612 apparently by King James order or parliamentary orders (can't find original source). I'm thinking that his entry into the King's court was eased by the fact that they were a noble family in France but who were Huguenots. The father William (Guillaume) was said to be a well known Pastor, Doctor and apothecary. Hope I haven't taken up too much space with the story but the man, his story and the Huguenots are inseparable to me. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Fuller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 11:10 AM Subject: [HWE] re: De Laune and HWE > Hi Barbara > > No, that's it, replies to the mailing list rather than sending them privately which then cuts everybody out of the loop. > > Do you have a copy of the pamphlet and, if not, do you want a copy - can arrange that for you to happen on Monday when I'm next in. Also might be worth a couple of look ups in some other references that I'm uncovering just in case there may be more references. > > Regards > > Tony > > ______________________________

Hello Everyone Thank you Peter for your information and help. Has anyone on the list got information on the background to the Walloons who settled in Canterbury, I am particularly interested in the name Jancocke (Bartholmew Jancocke 1599 Canterbury married Elizabeth Russell). Information I have on Bartholmew is that he was a cordwainer and through his marriage to Elizabeth whos father was a freeman became a freeman of the city himself. My other line of interest is Huguenots who settled in Guernsey as that is where I was born, family names include Brouard,De Garis,Brehaut, le Ray, De Jersey and la Sauvage. Thank you Karen _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Thank you Tony re wills. This John is a mystery to me - another stray Arabin that I cannot fit on our tree. 1720 is too early for the Johns in our family to have died. The other names connected to him are new to me as well. Our line came from Riez so there must be some connection. There are Arabin families in Germany who speak of a 'Jean' who went to Ireland. It is another puzzle. I have the full will of Bartelemy from documentsonline and the other 3 are also available there as well, thanks. Shirley Mount Maunganui, New Zealand . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Fuller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, 7 November 2003 00:15 Subject: [HWE] John Arabin's will 1720 - One for Shirley > Hi folks > > Shirley, I mentioned this to you when we met in Dublin but have not got around to posting it to you. It is one of 5 references to Arabins in the Wagner Wills which is a synthesis of Huguenot Wills from the Canterbury CC, dealing with Huguenot names registered in London until approx 1810. > > John Arabin, will dated 1720, book E page 83. > > >From Riez Province, inhabitant of Geneva, beneficiaries wife Margaret Maurice, nephews Charles and Francis Chaix???, nephew Anthony Maurice. John's sister Margaret married to Reynat Gouriner, leaving them all that he has left in France, 2000 livres. > Executor his uncle, Alexander Gaudemar. > > Wagner did not wholly transcribe the wills, just the bits that he thought were relevant, which means that amounts of bequests were frequently missed out. > > Shirley, the other four are for Bartholomew, 1713, Lt Col John A, 1757, John 1758 and Jane Mary 1780. If you want the details of those, happy to send them on to you via HWE. > > Guys, please don't send speculative requests for look ups on the wills to the Library, things there are very busy at the moment and the Librarian, who only works 15 hours per week, is just rushed of his feet with the volume of people using the library, one of the reasons I'm trying to help him. > > Regards > > Tony Fuller > > > > > ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== > Messages posted to this (or any)list are the property of their writers. > Therefore, if you want to forward or use info seen on a mailing list, > first obtain the permission of the person who wrote it. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Tony Most of the information I have from these early times have been passed to me by a distant relative (down another line on the Mignot side) who has researched the information herself at the Huguenot Library. Rene Grenon would have been born in the late 17th century in France (I have no proof of this though). Huguenot Society Volume 27 shows his naturalisation in 1709. He marries Marie Aubree 27 Jan 1716/17 (no place mentioned). They have the following children Marthre 27 Dec 1717, Pierre 28 May 1719, Esther 15 Jan 1721, Susanne 17 Jan 1723, Jean 30 Jan 1724, Jean Rene 28 oct 1725, Charles 22 Mar 1727 and Anne 3 Dec 1728. All of the children were christened at the Artillery-French Huguenot Church, Spitalfields. Jean Rene Grenon married Elisabeth Le Caron (born 2 May 1726, christened 4 May 1726 Threadneedle Street French Huguenot Church) at St Matthew, Bethnal Green 1747. Their children (that I know of) are Elizabeth 24 Apr 1751, Susanne 15 Aug 1754 and Andre Guilliaume 18 Jun 1757. All children christened at Threadneedle Street. This is the detail I have on my Susanne (1754). This doesn't say the hospital is in Rochester but I am guessing now that my informant finding the hospital in Rochester now perhaps either assumed it was back then or perhaps didn't word the information too clearly for me (or I can't read!!!). Godparents Nicholas Caron and Marianne Susanne Grenon. Witnesses Nicholas Caron and Andrew William Grenon Huguenot Society Records volumes 52/53. Letter of application first submitted to the French Hospital, 'La Providence' in May 1816 when she was 63 years old (written in French). The humble petition of Susanne Mignot, silk-winder, native of London, member of the London Church since she was 19 years old, daughter of the late Jean Grenon and grand-daughter of refugees from Saintonge. Your humble supplicant is unfortunately for her, by the loss of her husband and a long illness of 3 years, reduced to the utmost distress and is now forced to come very humbly to you, Gentlemen, to ask you to have the goodness and charity to receive her into this hospital. 28 May 1816. She entered the hospital in April 1822 and died there in 1827. This is also some more detailed information on one of the younger son of Alexis and Susanne Mignot. Samuel Mignot Huguenot Society Records Volume 53/54 Feb 1866 - applied for admission in the form of a questionnaire. 1. 21 Dunk Street, Mile End New Town. Widower, son of Alexis Mignot, 2 Wilmot Street, Bethnal Green and Susannah Mignot (Grenon) who died in the French Hospital. 2. Born October 14 1792 Church Street, Bethnal Green 3. Huguenot on Mother's side (and also Father's) who was educated at the French School in Brick Lane. Father born in Picardy. Great Grandfather and Grandmother from Normandy and Saintonge whose names were Caron. 4. House decorator and bricklayer now supported by assistance from his children and 1/6 weekly from the parish. 5. Age and infirmity. Samuel was admitted on April 7th 1866. Minutes of meeting: December 3 1870 John Mignot attended and stated that it was impossible for him or his brother or sister to take charge of their father but he promised to remove him on Monday next. Steward's monthly report December 1870 states that the Official of Hackney Union Workhouse 'soon discovered his state of Mental Derangement' but because of his failing health allowed him to remain there. He was admitted on 12 December 1870 and died in January 1871. I have a bit more scant information but am hoping to add to this once my fellowship is confirmed and I can start buying some of the publications. I have a microfiche viewer so that is what I will be looking to buy to aid my research. I believe it was your posting a few weeks ago about the idea of putting information on CR-Rom that I found most promising. I look forward to hearing the outcome of your proposal to the Society. Thank you for your very prompt reply and help though. It's much appreciated. Regards Lesley ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Fuller To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [HWE] GRENON & MIGNOT Hi Folks and Lesley Lesley, the meeting of the Hug Soc Council always immediately precedes the public meeting so you should hear about your membership quite soon after that. If I remember, I'll try to find out for you on Wednesday because I'll be at the general meeting. So, Grenon and Mignot: Can't find them in the CDRom editions of Agnew, Durrant Cooper or on the 17 volumes on the Family Tree Maker CDRom. Not on the Consistory Minutes for Threadneedle Street 1679-1692 nor in my book copy of Smiles. There is Grejon in the Charite de Spittlefields Hug Soc Quarto Series but no Mignot. Most of my Quarto series are off at the book binders at the moment so can't help you too much after that I'm afraid. Are you sure about the location of the Hospital in 1827? It was founded in 1718 and was located in the parish of St Luke's, Finsbury until it moved to Victoria Park, East London, in 1865 when the original La Providence was just about falling down. The Hospital moved from Victoria Park to Rochester in 1960, after which the site has been expanded and improved. If your ancestor died in the hospital, doubtful if it was at the Rochester site, obviously if they died in Rochester, that's another line of research. Hope this helps in some way Regards Tony Fuller ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== When posting to the HWE list: SURNAMES written in capitals, s'il vous plaît. 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Hi Folks and Lesley Lesley, the meeting of the Hug Soc Council always immediately precedes the public meeting so you should hear about your membership quite soon after that. If I remember, I'll try to find out for you on Wednesday because I'll be at the general meeting. So, Grenon and Mignot: Can't find them in the CDRom editions of Agnew, Durrant Cooper or on the 17 volumes on the Family Tree Maker CDRom. Not on the Consistory Minutes for Threadneedle Street 1679-1692 nor in my book copy of Smiles. There is Grejon in the Charite de Spittlefields Hug Soc Quarto Series but no Mignot. Most of my Quarto series are off at the book binders at the moment so can't help you too much after that I'm afraid. Are you sure about the location of the Hospital in 1827? It was founded in 1718 and was located in the parish of St Luke's, Finsbury until it moved to Victoria Park, East London, in 1865 when the original La Providence was just about falling down. The Hospital moved from Victoria Park to Rochester in 1960, after which the site has been expanded and improved. If your ancestor died in the hospital, doubtful if it was at the Rochester site, obviously if they died in Rochester, that's another line of research. Hope this helps in some way Regards Tony Fuller

Hello all I have been lurking in the background for quite a few weeks trying to get a feel for this mailing list before posting but it's so quiet so I thought I had better just introduce myself and state my interests. I live in Coventry in the UK and my maternal Grandfather always said there was some French ancestry in his family. He was actually born in Nottingham but both of his parents came from Bethnal Green. The Huguenot connection comes from his Mothers line. My 5 x great Grandparents were Alexis MIGNOT born abt 1755 and Susanne GRENON born 15 August 1754 (christened 1 September 1754 Threadneedle Street French Huguenot Church). Susanne died at the French Hospital, Rochester, Kent in 1827. I have been told a little of the background on the GRENON side from another researcher of this line but know very little on the MIGNOT side other than we think they came from Picardy. The GRENON side came from Saintonge. Rene GRENON (Susanne's Grandfather) was given his British nationality in 1709. I have applied for fellowship of the Huguenot Society and am awaiting to hear if I have been elected at the November Council meeting. My letter doesn't say when the date of the Council meeting is so I'm not sure when I might hear of the outcome. I have enjoyed the posts I've seen so far as they are very informative. I have to say I never really knew about the persecution of the Huguenot's in any detail until now. I knew it had happened but not the extent. In fact history in general was never really my thing until now. It's funny how it suddenly becomes more interesting and meaningful when you know your family was involved. Looking forward to more interesting post Regards Lesley Murray --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.537 / Virus Database: 332 - Release Date: 06/11/2003