Hello Listers, What began as a very casual look at this family now has far more interest due to his wife Charlotte DE LAVAL-MONTFORT, which I will not bore you all with at present. While researching this family I have encountered several implausible records and so I turn to this mailing list for further thought and discussion. There is no doubt that my enquiry is on the Huguenot topic, I am afterall, discussing one Gaspard DE COLIGNY and there is no doubt regarding his loyalty to the cause. My enquiry concerns his wife or is that wives ? I have multiple and very reliable sources for attaching Charlotte DE LAVAL (Montfort) as his wife and mother of his children, 5 sons and 2 daughters. I have read with some doubts that he married for a second time in the year before his death. Supposedly he married Jacqueline D'ENTREMONT Reasons for doubt are that this family was not of similar birthright as the DE COLIGNY and some texts make comment that they were indeed attempting to raise their position in society by wedding anyone with title. There is also a story by a Pere Clarence d'Entremont, Histoire du Cap-Sable de l'an Mil au Traité de Paris (1763), Volume 3, pp. 806-810 where he offers that this supposed second wife adopted a child after the death of Gaspard and from there many on the North American continent seem to be making claim to an attachment to the DE COLIGNY family. And so my enquiry, and please do quote sources that you believe to be reliable. Who married Gaspar (Gaspard) DE COLIGNY born 16th of February, 1518 Chatillon sur Loing, with when and where ? Firstly "IF" the records of the good father are to be taken as absolute , concerning the adoption story, then there are many genealogical records in both Canada and the USA which require correction. And secondly, if there was no second marrage at all then even more records will be incorrect and so the myth will continue. This is not the only such situation to occur with family history study and the longer that confusion remains, the longer the error continues. I seek your historically correct responses to this mystery. Once the genealogy of DE COLIGNY the great hero is confirmed then perhaps a short essay on his great deeds will flow. Kind Regards, Peter Leroy

Hi Peter and all, From: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:41 PM Subject: [HWE] DE CHATILLON (DE COLIGNY) > Could someone please tell me when Gaspard II DE COLIGNY > was born ? One of the most respected sources for noble and royal genealogy is: Europäische Stammtafeln. An index of what is contained is here: http://www.klostermann.de/stamm/schw_reg.htm If you look under C, you will see: "Châtillon, Duc de (Coligny) XIV/62 A" That would be volume 14, table number 62A. This will, hopefully, give not only his birth date but also some ancestors and descendants. Some more information about this source is here: http://habitant.org/tools/esnotes.htm Here are some of the places it is available: http://habitant.org/tools/esloc.htm Regards, Howard [email protected]

Et Voila! Ask and ye shall receive. Well how many times has this been written on this most wonderful of mailing lists ? Sometimes it is not the actual information offered that is helpful but an idea of where to search further. And thank you to Tony Fuller on this occasion. Gaspar (Gaspard) DE COLIGNY was born at Chatillon sur Loing on the 16th of February 1519. And!! by wandering along the suggested genealogical path we have made yet another part of a puzzle come to life. But that is not for this list. Thank you kind sir. Kind Regards, Peter Leroy > If so there may be a way of looking for your > marriage/birth through their line.

1692 MAJOU, [Jeremie]. 1715 MAILLARD, Jean. 1733 Mi de l'eg. anglicane. 1737 MANUEL, Jean. 1726 MARCHAND, -. Lecteur. 1726 MASSON, Philippe. Mi de 'Wheeler Street. 1756 MAUZY, Samuel. 1789 MERCIER, Louis. 1779 MICHEL, Louis. 1725 LE MOINE, Abraham. 1774 LE MONNIER, Jean. 1720 DE MONTIGNAC, Jean Joseph. Mm. de Marylebone. 1694 DE LA MOTHE, Joseph, de Guienne. El. Mi de St. Jean 1694. 1721 OLIVIER, Jerome. 1710 L'OSTE, Charles. 1755 PALAIRET, Elie. Natif de la Haye. El. Mi de St. Jean in 1755. To Chapel Royal St. James "en qualite de Chapelain Hollandais de sa Majesté" in 1758. 1789 PARROISSIEN, Georges. 1759 PATRON, Gédéon. PAYNE. See LAUPAYNE. 1689 PEGORIER, C[ésar]. Mi de St. Jean. 1689 PERRIN, P[ierre]. Mi de St. Jean. 1716 PIELAT, Phinées Philbert. De la Haye. "Cy devant Min. de la garnaison de St. Guilain en Flandres." 1689 DE LA PLACE, [Daniel Chaise]. 1803 PONS, Jacques Samuel. 1718 POUDEROUS, 1699 De PRALINS, - Min de refugie. 1716 De PREFONTAINE, Francois [Papin]. 1713 PRELLEUR, Jacques. 1689 PUJOLAS, [Jean]. 1702 RENOULT, J[ean] B[aptistej. 1703 RICOTIER, P[ierre]. 1694 RIVAL, [Pierre]. "De la province de Beam." El Mi de St. Jean 1694. 1694 RIVIERE, A[ntoine]. 1705 ROCHE, -. 1692 De ROCHEBLAVE, [Henri]. 1715 ROLLAND, F. 1702 De LA ROQUE, P[ierre]. 1695 LA ROQUEBOYER [Paul]. 1699 ROUISSILL0N, Pierre. 1714 ROUIRE, Jean. 1690 ROUX, -. 1689 ROWANT, -. [So in entry 1839 which is very illegible. The précis of the Register gives Rolland.] 1788 SABONARDIERE, Jean Scipion. 1709 De Ste COLOMBE, Henri [Ogier]. 1703 De LA SALLE, [Jean]. 1725 SAY, François Samuel. 1707 SCOFFIER, Claude. 1699 SOUCHET, [Charles]. 1733 STEHELIN, J[ean] Pierre. 1712 SUDRE, Etienne. Mm. de St. Jean, resigns 1716. 1710 De SUSIBOAN, A[lexandre]. 1732 TACHERON, G. E. 1753 TAVAN, Samuel. Natif de Cully, Canton de Berne. Mm. de St. Jean. See p. xii. 1793 VAN SWINDEN, Philippe, D.D. 1690 VERCHERE, [Jean Marc]. Mi de St. Jean. 1724 VIARD, J. D. 1715 VILLETTE, Louis. 1763 Mi de St. Luc dans Old Street, Middlesex, Chaplain de l'Hôpital francais. 1720 VINCENT, Pierre. 1722 el. Mi de St. Jean. YVER. See HYVER.

1687 CAMOU, Pierre. 1781 CAMPREDON, F[rancois]. 1697 CAMPREDON, J[ean]. 1733 CANTIER, G[eorge]. 1769 CARLE, Jean. Chapelain de l'Hopital francais. 1699 CAVALLIER, Pierre. Lecteur de St. Jean. 1691 CHAMIER, D[aniel]. Mi de St. Jean. 1717 CHAMPION DE LA MOTTE, -. 1722 DE LA CHAPELLE, Armand. 1689 CHARPENTIER, -. 1788 DE LA CHAUMETTE, Louis. 1794 CHIROL, Jean Louis. Mi de St. Jean. 1726 CODERC, S[amuel]. 1726 Mi de Browns Lane. 1730 Mi du Quarre et de Castle Street. 1718 COLOMB, Michel. 1689 CONTET, Charles. Mi de St. Jean. 1751 CONVENENT, Paul. 1694 COULAN, [Antoine]. 1709 CREGUT, Jean David. Mi de St. Jean. 1724 DU CR0s, Guillaume. 1701 DAVAL, -. 1757 DESCOTES, Jean. Natif d'Amsterdam. 1722 DE LA DOUESPE, P[aul]. 1727 DE LA DOUESPE, S[amuel], Le jeune. 1693 DOULES, [B ]. 1716 DUPLESSIS, François. 1718 Mm. de la Providence. 1743 DUPLESSIS, J[acques]. 1722 DURAND, David. Mm. de St. Martin Orgars. 1740 Mi de la Savoye. 1760 DURAND, David Henri, 1797, Min. de l'eglise de Londres. 1770 DUVAL, David. 1728 ETERNOPPE (signs ETERROD), Louis. 1717 FAVRE, [J. J.]. 1698 FLEURY, A[moury] P[hilippe]. 1713 FORENT, [Jean]. Mm. a Soho. 1704 FORESTIER, P[aul]. 1715 LA FOUX, J. Mm. de St. Jean. 1754 GAUTHAREL, François. 1705 GELY DE COLOMBIER, -. 1782 GIBERT, E[tienne]. 1692 GILBERT [Abraham]. 1700 GILLET, J[acques]. 1687 GRAVISET, [Paul]. Mi de l'eg. Walonne de Londres. 1705 GROGNET, François, le fils. 1730 GUICHARD, Francois. 1799 GUIRAUD, Jacques. 1758 GUIOT, [Jean]. 1749 De L'HARPE, Henri. 1718 HOLLARD, J[ean] Rod. 1699 HYVER, J[ean]. 1720 JEMBELIN, Jean. 1707 JOUNEAU, [Philippe]. 1687 De JOUX, B[enjamin]. Mi de St. Jean. 1688 LABORIE, J. 1720 De LAIZEMENT, Philippe. 1695 LALO [Philippe]. 1705 De LAUPAYNE (signs LAU PAYNE). 1695 LAURENT, Jacques. 1783 LESCURE, Pierre. 1699 De LESCURE LA PRADE, Louis. 1734 De LESNET. Mm. de l'eg. de .Cook Lane. 1760 LEVESQUE, -. Lecteur de St. Jean. 1713 LIEGOIS, Jean Baptiste. 1704 LIONS [Etienne we presume] d'Embrun. 1687 LIONS, Jean. Mi de St. Jean. 1688 LIONS, Nicolas, l'ainé. 1690 LOMBARD, André. Mi de St. Jean. 1691 LOMBARD, J[ean]. Mi de l'eg. neuve.

Morning folks I have a copy of the Quarto series, St Jean Church, Spitalfields extracts at the moment and wondered if any of the following might be of interest to our intrepid listers. Being posted in parts because of its length. The list is only as exhaustive as it can be, there may be some omissions: 1815 ABAUZIT, Théophile. Mi de St. Martin Orgars. 1782 AGGASSIZ, F. R. Mi de St. Jean. 1732 D'AGNEAUX, J. 1735 APPIA, Daniel Isaac. 1696 D'ARGENTEUIL, Charles. 1696 el. Mi de St. Jean. 1704 Mi de l'Artillerie. 1693 ASSELIN, [Jacob]. 1804 AUDINET, Samuel. 1710 BABAULT, I[saac]. 1710 Mi de Rose Lane. 1711 Mi de l'Artillerie. 1701 BALGUERIE DE CHAUTARD, Jean ~Baptiste]. Mi de la Patente. 1701 el. Mi de St. Jean. 1699 BARBAULD, Ezechiel. Mm. a Plymouth. 1699 el. Mi de St. Jean" pour servir les quatres Eglises conjointement avec les cinq autres Pasteurs." 1699 BARBAULD, Pierre. 1732 BARBAULD, P., junior. 1730 BARNOUIN, Jacques. Mi de l'Artillerie. 1703 BARRON, [Jean.] 1692 BASSET, B[artholomé]. 1768 BATAILLE, Martin [Guillaume]. 1786 BELLANGER, P. 1733 BERARD, J. 1801 BERNEL, J. C. 1707 BESOMBES, Samuel. 1746 BEUZEVILLE, Jean. 1758 BEUZEVILLE, Samuel. Natif de St Thomas de Gruchet, pays de Caux, Haute Normandie. Mi de Bristol. 1758 el. Mi de St. Jean. 1704 LE BLANC, Jean. 1710 Mm. de l'Artillerie. 1743 BOBINEAU, J. Pierre. 1688 BONNET, Louis. Etudian en Ste Theologie. 1757 DE BONS, Francois Louis. He was born at Morat in Switzerland in 1723 and died at Lausanne in 1797; in 1761 he was professor of practical theology there and in 1780 Recteur of the Academy. He married Elizabeth Loubier in London in 1759. 1760 DU BOULAY, B[enjamin] F[rancois]. 1788 BOULLEN, Jacques. 1725 DU BOURDIEUX, Jean Armand. 1732 BOURDILLON, Jacob. Mi de l'Artillerie. 1703 BOURGEOIS, L[ouis]. D.Th. 1737 BOYER, J[ean] B[aptiste] G[édéon]. 1693 BREVET, Elie. 1714 BRIEL, Henri. 1799 BRILLY, Elie. 1779 Mi de Leicester Fields et de la Patente Soho. 1785 Mi de St. Jean.

Hi Peter I'm sure Luc will be able to confirm this or not, but I seem to recall that the Montmorency family were the hereditary Constables of France. If so there may be a way of looking for your marriage/birth through their line. Regards Tony Fuller

1739 GOUJON, Louis, de Villevode dans l'Isle de France. ARDOUIEN, Jacques, de Rioux, en Saintonge. 1755 BEUZEVILLE, Etienne, de Mellamare dans la Haute Normandie. 1756 DELAFERTAY, Daniel, de St Honorin le Chardon, en Basse Normandie. HERAUT, Abraham, de Bourg de Veauf en St Onge. 1757 LE BAILLIEF, Matthieu, de Condé en Basse Normandie. AUBER, Pierre Abraham, de St Eustace en Haute Normandie. ROUVIERE, Mathieu, de Nimes, en Languedoe. 1761 DUCHESNE, Robert, de La Boullie en Basse Normandie. PEROCHON, Pierre, de Montcoutan, en Bas Poitou. VAVASSEUR, Jacques, de Rouen. 1774 MANOURI, Jaques, de St Aubin de Beuzevillette, Haute Normandie. 1785 DE BOECK, Claude Joseph, de Bruxelles en Brabant. 1786 CLAISSE, Boniface, de Betencourt en Cambresis. That's it guys, hope it helps somebody Regards Tony Fuller

1723 BAURAIN, André, d'Andinville, en Picardie. INGRAND, Jonas, de Mougon, en Poitou. HANCHARD, Anthoine, de Bauvoir, en Picardie. 1724 DE MEDDE, Pierre, de Mormoulin, proche de Nojean le Roy en 1'Isle de France. HERICHER, Pierre, d'Autretot, Haute Normandie. 1729 PEQUIN, Jean, de Tardierre en Bas Poitou. 1730 MAIRARGUES, Francois, de Quissac en Languedoc. GUILLEMARD, Louis, de Bolbec en Haut Normandie. 1731 PEZE, Jean, de Belesme, en Perehe. R0USILH0N, Pierre Mare, de Genève. 1732 LE BOULEUX, Pierre, de Luneray dans le pays de Caux, en Normandie. GOUTIERE, Jacob, de Harnap, en Poitou. VINCENT, Jean Pierre, de Lausanne en Suisse. 1734 GUERARD, Nieolas, de Harfleur.. PERRETTE, Charles, de Condé proehe de Maux, capitale de Brie. 1735 LE MONNIER, Michel, de Bolbec en Normandie. 1736 BELLIN, Pierre, de la par. de Prouillé, prês de Lusignan, en Poitou. 1737 MARPLAY, Jean, de Lintot. BEUZEVILLE, Jaque, de Gruchet. 1738 TAMPS, Pierre, de Pont St Maixcence en Pieardie.

Hi Guys Came across this today which may be of interest or may help somebody out there. It is a non-exhaustive list of the Elders of St Jean, Spitalfields, the dates given are the dates of their election to the Consistory. Because of the length of it, I'm sending it in 3 parts: 1701 DEBONNAIRE, Pierre, de Picardie. VIT0U, Jean, de Paris. DEPLANCHES, Jean, du Vivarey. ROY, Jacques, de Dauphiné. 1703 DESCARRIERE, Jean, de Picardie. BUTTEUX, Jean, de Picardie. 1706 BAURIN, Pierre, de Maulieu en Picardie. BESSON, Josue, du lieu d'Arvieux dans la vallée de Quieras en Dauphiné. BOUVARD, Jaques, de Clermont en Picardie. DUFOUR, Jacob, de Proysy en Picardie. 1709 LESCHALLAS, Samuel, de Chateaudun en Bosse. DEMONSEAU, Pierre, de Varrainne en Picardie. CHAPPELIER, David, de Nimes en Languedoc. DUMONT, Esaye, de St Quantain en Picardie. 1710 VALLIERE, Pierre, de Pieardie, proche Vervain. PILLET, Joachim, de St Messans en Poitou. 1713 GRIMAULT, Jacques, de Paris. L'ETUDOIS, Abraham, de St Nicolas de la Taille, en Normandie. GANDON, Etienne, de Ville Muzar proche de Mair. 1714 AUSSAN, David, de Moncoutan, en Poitou. RAVENEL, Abraham, de St Lo, en Basse Normandie. HARLEY, Jean, de St Quantin, en Picardie. MEZAN, Pierre, de Neuve Maisan, en Picardie. 1715 CHEDIEU, Abraham, du province de Perche. 1717 LE MONNIER, Jaques, de Fescamp, en Haute Normandie. DUPRE, Baptiste, de Tours, en Touraine. 1718 VIOGUE, Jean, de Dangeau, en Bausse. SAUVAGET, Philippe, de Marseille en Province. Regards Tony F

Hi Guys I temporarily have a copy of the records for the Colchester Dutch community and church extracts that were published as Hug Soc Quarto series 12, register of the Dutch Church, Colchester. If anybody has any proven links to Colchester and they want any look ups doing, please let me know - and please guys, no speculative requests on the offchance. Regards Tony Fuller

Hello One and All, Here I was about to offer a small piece on the great man Gaspard DE CHATILLON or as he may be more familiar to you, Gaspard II DE COLIGNY, my preference is to think his name was actually DE CHATILLON and as he inherited the title Comte de Coligny then he is CHATILLON rather than COLIGNY. But what is in a name so lets just call him Gaspard II DE COLIGNY for now. Oh, dear listers, this was to be the treatise of all works. The stuff that all you budding students were going to seize upon and plagiarise as it has never been done before. A story with an ending, blood and gore, burnings and all that good heroic stuff. But alas dear listers I am having the very ordinary problem of accuracy. Did I ever mention accuracy in genealogy and or historical records ? Perhaps I have. Now we all know that Gaspard II was Admiral of France or as some would put it, Ammiraglio di Francia. And we all know about de Conde and that, dare I mention them again, DE GUISE familly. In short we were going to read all about a hero of the Reformation in non-religious matters, WAR! But then a funny thing happened on the way to the library, I left some notes behind. Libraries are where the correct history is to be found and so without a care I plodded on uphill, backwards, in the snow. And here I have the question that I am sure most of you learned subscribers will all giggle at when I ask, due to you all having completed Huguenot 101. Could someone please tell me when Gaspard II DE COLIGNY was born ? I have discovered anything from 1519 to 1529. We know that the 24th of August, 1572 was not a good day for Charlotte DE LAVAL-MONTFORT as it was the day of her becoming a widow. So now you will all have to wait until some kind soul can deliver via this list the day Louise DE MONTMORENCY (Gaspo's mother) gave birth to this most heroic of men. I shall wait. Kind Regards, peter Leroy

Another forwarded post from the Board coming through. See end of message for reply details. Andrea (as list concierge) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Date Posted on HWE Board: November 9, 2003 Message Board Post as follows: The CHAMARETTEs seem to have come from Chamaret in the south of France to England during the persecution, then gone to India around 1817. I'd be grateful for information about them, especially what name they had which was so difficult for the English to pronounce that they took the name of their home town instead! I am decended from a WESTON and a CHAMARETTE who married in Secunderabad or Hyderabad in the late 1800s. ============================================ To reply, please go to the HWE Board via: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Fq.2ADEAE/206 then click on Post Reply. Your reply may then be forwarded to this list. END of Message Board Post

Hello -- Another forwarded post from the HWE Board. See end of message for details about replying. Andrea (as list concierge) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Date Posted on HWE Board: November 9, 2003 Message Board Post as follows: DU VAL in Holland and Normandy members of the Walloon Reformed Church at Amsterdam 1709, poss connected to Prince of Orange regiments 1690s and ultimately in the Channel Islands. =========================================== If you want to reply to the above message, go to the Board via this URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Fq.2ADEAE/205 then click on Post Reply. Your reply on the Board may then be forwarded to this list. END of Message Board Post

Listers -- OK, here we go with a forwarded post from the HWE Board. As you probably know by now -- but I'll mention it again, for the benefit of those who are new to HWE -- the vast majority of the posts on the Board are written by people who are *not* subscribers to this list. So replying on the list is not the thing to do. Instead, If you want to reply, see details at the very end of this message. Andrea (as list concierge) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Date Posted on HWE Board: November 1, 2003 Message Board Post as follows: looking for information on jacob/jaques remy born 1630 picardy, lorraine, france. father pierre rene remy born about 1586, where unknown. jacob/jaques remy fled franceabout 1650. other relatives have traced jacob/jaques remy back to a didier remy, a huguenot, born aobut 1485 need information on these ancestors that come from france. ============================================== To reply to the above message, go to the HWE Board via this URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Fq.2ADEAE/204 then click on Post Reply. Your reply may then be forwarded to this list. END of Message Board Post

Hi Andrea Welcome back, things here are still going well (well, they seem to be) but it's always good to have you around keeping us all in line. Regards Tony Fuller

Andrea - Perhaps you should disappear more often! (Please, for our American brethren - that is a British type joke). Sorry that you have been suffering from computer problems; I thought I was the only person who suffered them on a regular basis. My broad band failed about three weeks ago, I spent over two weeks swearing at both my ISP and BT; had my computer virtually re-built at vast expense, as well as re-, and re- re-installing software. Eventually it was discovered that the fault was not in my ISP, BT, the telephone line or my computer, programmes or system (including ancillary equipment); hence the time and difficulty in establishing the fault. (No, it wasn't the operator, either). Just in case it may help some other unfortunate -. I route my out going 'phone calls through NTL by means of a dialling box gubbins that they supply, one of which is fitted to each 'phone socket. One of these, fitted to an upstairs 'phone that I very rarely use, had decided the time had come to die a death. During its death throes it made spurious dial signals every time I attempted to use broadband, (but not during the normal use of the telephone line). Possibly this may save some other lister both frustration and expense. No one else seems to have heard of this particular problem. Yours Aye Andrew Sellon East Anglia A comfortable house is a great source of happiness. It ranks immediately after health and a good conscience. Rev. Sydney Smith 1771-1845, Canon of St. Paul's. From: "Andrea Vogel" <[email protected]> > > Well, seems I can't go away from home for a while > without the list springing to life again. This isn't a complaint, > though. Glad to see the activity and the chit-chat amongst subscribers. > My computer problems have also continued over > the past several weeks. Hence my disappearance > from the list (again!) and the back-up of messages on > the Board. I think a new computer is definitely in order > for me. <snip>

Hi Andrea In the event of you being around, floating the in the internet ether, could you please get in contact with me, it's about the message board. Regards Tony Fuller

Hello Listers -- Well, seems I can't go away from home for a while without the list springing to life again. This isn't a complaint, though. Glad to see the activity and the chit-chat amongst subscribers. My computer problems have also continued over the past several weeks. Hence my disappearance from the list (again!) and the back-up of messages on the Board. I think a new computer is definitely in order for me. This one's given me a lot of grief over the last several months. But enough of my troubles. I hope everyone is prepared to hold on to their patience for just a few more hours -- so I can catch my breath and have a good night's sleep -- then I'll deal with the list stuff that need to be dealt with as quickly as I can. My old computer should be fine for a while, now that I've given it a good talking to and applied some string and duct tape to it in strategic spots......Andrea (list concierge)

Sorry Tony, I thought that perhaps you had offered to do lookups, I had missed previous messages because they had been filtered out by hotmail. Will _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger