Apologies for not using capitals in the surnames, I'll definitely remember next time! Will _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

I have totally given up on finding any new information on my SALMON ancestors,but the recent postings about Sandtoft and Thorney reawakened my interest. I know there is a JUDITH SALMON mentioned at Sandtoft,marrying a DUBOIS. There are several SALMON'S mentioned as sponsors at Thorney and also various baptisms, showing a strong link between the SALMON family and the CAILLET family. There being several baptisms with the mothers being a SALMON, ( another Judith here), and the fathers a CAILLET. There are many SALMON'S later at Thetford,( Ayelsham and St Mary's) and my great great grandfather, Richard Westney SALMON turns up there in 1775 in a marriage entry to Elizabeth FAUX. . What I do not have is a link between Thorney and Thetord. Anyone researching the CAILLET family may have come across SALMON'S therefore, or is there anyone who can suggest a line of research as to where they may have gone from Thorney. In the 1700's and 1800's the SALMON'S were very strongly connected with the Methodist church,one being a missionary in SURAT INDIA, and some itinerant preachers in England, and pastors in America and Australia. I have followed one of them several generations in Richland, Oswego New York state, until loosing the thread in NEW YORK.around 1910. Judith Waltham (nee SALMON)

I wondered if all of the following churches were Huguenot. The LUCADOU family in England had a variety of christenings in the 1700's at the following churches: Allhallows London Wall, Saint Martin in the Fields, Worchester, Saint Benet Pauls Wharf, and Saint Nicholas Cole Abbey in 1801. Most are located in London. I have visited St. Martin in the Fields in London, but do you know if any of the other churches still exist? My ancestor Jean LUCADOU and his wife arrived in Manakintowne, VA in 1700 on board the Mary and Ann. Carolyn Lucado Griffin ([email protected])

Hello All, Perhpas Judith is aware of this URL ? http://perso.wanadoo.fr/kiczewski/cgw37/kf37_caillet.html It may mean something or not ? Kind Regards, Peter Leroy

Hello John, My ancestors who lived in Knebworth, Hertfordshire, were Dardes until about 1700 when they changed to Deards. I don't think the family were huguenots as I think there was a reference to the family in the 1300s in Cambridgeshire. The name may be from D'Ardes or have no french connection at all, perhaps Dardes was a norse name or lost place in England? I would be happy to exchange information about the Deards, I have a few wills etc. Regards, Will _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Listers -- Here are two related posts forwarded from the HWE Board. The first is a query about the DENGATE and DE LA BARRE surnames. Then a reply was posted on the Board re: possible connection to surname LaBARRER and I've forwarded the reply as well. See below (keep scrolling down). Note that neither of the authors of these two posts are subscribers to the HWE list -- this in spite of the fact that the original poster begins her message with "Hello, listers". Do not let that confuse you. Some people have not yet learned the difference between a Board and a list. So, please post any reply you may have on the Board, as per instructions below. It's the only way either of these two posters will see your message. Andrea (as list concierge) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] (Lise Leresche) Date Posted to HWE Board: July 16, 2003 Message Board Post as follows: Hello listers, I have been researching the DENGATE name for several years and can trace them back to the late 1500s on the Kent/Sussex borders and have never thought of a Huguenot link until finding the following: "The DENGATEs can trace their ancestors back to the French Revolution. There were 4 brothers, 3 of whom escaped to England and landed at Pevensey Bay. Their fourth brother was caught in France and burnt at the stake. Their name was DE LA BARRE, which was then changed to DENBARR, DE BARRY and finally to DENGATE." As they were living in England prior to the Revolution (1789) and burning at the stake was abolished in 1670, I thought it more likely that they were Huguenots. Any thoughts on how I should proceed in my research would be very much appreciated. Thank you for your time. Cheers Lise in Brittany =============================================== To reply to Lise in Brittany, go to the Board by clicking here: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Fq.2ADEAE/183 and then click on Post Reply. Keep scrolling down to see the reply to Lise which was posted on the Board: -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] (Larry) Date Posted on HWE Board: July 30, 2003 Subject: Possible Connection to LaBARRER Message Board reply as follows: I suspect that my LaBARRER line may have also descended from the DE LA BARREs. If you run across the name LaBARRER in your research, would you let me know, or post a reply to this message. Thanks. =============================================== To reply, click here: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Fq.2ADEAE/183.1 which will get you to the Board where you should click on Post Reply. END of Message Board Post

Hello to all -- Here follows a post which I'm forwarding from the HWE Board. If you want to reply to it, please see instructions at the very end of this message. Andrea (as list concierge) -----Original Message----- From: <[email protected]> (Edward) Date Posted on HWE Board: 22 Nov 2003 Message Board Post as follows: Looking for anyone who may have info on BRESSON family name in England through 18th and 19th Century. I can get BRESSON back from Edward James MOTHERSOLE m. Caroline Martha BRESSON at St Leonards Shoreditch in 1869 back down the BRESSON path to Raymond (sic) BRESSON or BRISSON married to Marie Elizabeth Marthe DE LA MOTHE having 5 children (Marie, Pierre, Simon, Jean and Raymond) in the 1719 to 1731 period - all christened at the Huguenot Church in Wheeler Street, Spitalfields, London. Then draw a blank - cannot get further back - research shows that BISSON, BESSONET, DE LA MOTHE and DE LA MOTTE came over from France during the persecution. I am working on the principle that the BRESSON name has been derived from BISSON, BESSONET or other derivatives. Wondering if anyone out there has any info - please email at [email protected] if you can help. Thanks ============================================= To reply to the above message, go to the HWE Board via this URL: http://makeashorterlink.com/?T250317A6 then, once you're on the Board, click on Post Reply. Your reply on the Board may then be forwarded to this list. END of Message Board Post

Hello folks, Apologies I spelt the the address incorrectly and the original bounced. Poor excuse but this is my first posting. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Biggs To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 6:34 PM Subject: Deards Hello folks, I am researching my maternal family name Deards,which as one goes back in time also becomes Deardes and De'ards and no doubt other similar variations.Now in the 1600 -1630 period Christian names such as Jeronimy,Nathaniell,Peeter ,Maudlyne,and Magdalen arise. Could it be possible for these names to have any Huegonot or Walloon connection. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Regards, John M Biggs

Dear Listers: Has anyone ever seen French Protestant info. on any of the surnames: DE FRANCE; LAFRANCE; or FRANCE? I have spent some time trying to find info but without success. My grandfather was born in Virginia. However, I have no more knowledge past him. Any help would be appreciated. Keep up the great work! I enjoy all your emails. Regards, Gerald Groums Baton Rouge, LA.

Hello Gerald, Well now from the little knowledge I may have on this subject, I fear that you could have a long way to go in your researching of the name DE FRANCE or variations. Simply put, the name means "in France" or "of France". For a variety of reasons, parents were to have children out of wedlock, and so there are times when the name of the country of birth was given to the child. That is, parentage unknown other than born in France. It was commonly used in the early 12th to 13th century to designate people of some nobility who were not to inherit titles or estates, usually daughters or even at times, sons who were born to concubines. In relatively modern use is the Italian version of Franca. And so it is not all that unusual to discover many with the name, by example, Mario FRANCA. Perhaps the origins of such a name would have been Mario DE FRANCE. Well they are my current thoughts on your puzzle, perhaps others have a different idea ? Kind Regards, Peter Leroy

Andrea (as list concierge) wrote : umm Dang I forget, but it was a good post. And so now I am saying thank you to our wonderful Huguenot and or Walloon (have to add that so it is on-topic) list administrator. Kind Regards, Peter Leroy

Listers -- To add to my comments on capitalizing, which I sent to the list a few days ago (20 Nov): 1) Only surnames should be capitalized (yes, sorry, all of them -- in both subject line and in actual posts). 2) It's not necessary to put first names and/or locations in upper case. 3) Since capitalizing a string of words (phrase, sentence, etc.) is considered to be shouting in "netiquette", capitalizing every word in a subject line is not desirable. While I'm on the subject of subject lines, there is no law that says you cannot change a subject line when you're replying to an on-going topic. In fact, it would be right and proper to change it if it doesn't quite fit the content of your reply or if the subject has veered off in a direction different from the original. You can always refer to the original subject line, if you want to, by typing something like the following -- Huguenots in Europe (was: Huguenots in the Fens) A subject line should reflect what you've said in your post. If it doesn't, change it. One last thing and then I'm through. When you're replying to a previous post, please delete all or most of that previous post from your reply before you send it. There is no good reason why this duplicated material should be there and, thus, sent back to the list (and into the archives) multiple times. Thanks to everyone who already does this each and every time they post. And I notice that some of you do. It's appreciated. Hope these requests don't sound whiney and petulant. Not meant to be. Just want the list to run as smoothly and efficiently and fascinatingly as it can. Can't do it without you. Andrea (as list concierge)

Hello All, Tony Fuller wrote : > Careful of this one folks, > > Dori wrote in her posting about Souplis: > > "Compulsory military service was required of every man....... > (Bertine 1988, v II 325,328) A short story about some relations way back when. Now how we came to "manage" on behalf of the local bigshot in Bretagne is a long story..lets just say he had no choice..our sword was BIG!! Anyway.. he came along one day and told our farming Leroy family that the sons just had to take up arms on his behalf. Well the older relatives, male, heard of this "demand' and went over to the Ducs house. "May I remind you that we don't do that kind of thing unless you pay a lot or hand over more land". Ah the makings of our early estates. So what has that to do with this topic ? Well folks if you came from Bretagne or some parts of Normandie there certainly was no compulsory service for some King over in the east I tell you. Fought many a war over just that subject. It was a time when Normandie and especially Bretagne were still coming to grips with the idea that united France was a good thing. Some in Bretagne still think that way. Just my 2 bobs worth Kind Regards, Peter Leroy

Hi Guys Careful of this one folks, Dori wrote in her posting about Souplis: "Compulsory military service was required of every man. To served in the army was to defend the state faith. To oppose the state faith was equal to being a heretic and the penalty for this was death." (Bertine 1988, v II 325,328) Well, that's a bold statement to be sure. And it's not true because Huguenots did not have to serve in the army of the state (presumably France) because many lived in what were quasi-independent and self governing mini states, granted under the Edict of Nantes. Despite the secret attachments to the Edict, Huguenot areas had a good deal of autonomy, Nimes and La Rochelle almost becoming states within France, Nimes most certainly having their equivalent of a Parliament. Bertine should prove this wide sweeping statement, in all the research on France that I've done, I've never come across any instance of a Frenchman being put to death for heresy for not serving in the army. And which other states had compulsory military service - men may have been taken into the army as part of their servitude to local nobility, pressed or conscripted in times of war, militia units may have been raised and mobilised but the majority of European state armies were volunteer, even the New Model Army in England was essentially a volunteer Army and that was probably one of the most efficient around. Regards Tony Fuller

Hi Guys Just a comment about military matters and the Walloon/Williamite army or the times. Peter is absolutely right, all the commands in the French army were, de facto, in French. But, that was not the same in the Williamite Army where a combination of Walloon/French was used. Progression in the French Army was similar to that in the English, broadly you either came from the minor nobility and worked your way up through the ranks either buying your commission to the next rank or did something heroic (or stupid, depending on whether is was before or after you thought what the consequences might be) and were promoted via that route, the French system of noblesse d'epee route, which many Huguenots were able to progress through prior the Revocation. However, I think that Peter may not be right about the military men attending a university, except perhaps some of the engineers who may have studied mathematics. Some sort of military school maybe, but universities were the preserve of those destined for the medical, clerical, ministry, philosophy ways of life. In all the material I've read about Huguenot military men, there are no references to their attending university at all (Randolph Vines booklet about Ligonier, Galway and Faversham is a good example) . Broadly, they bought their way in or joined as volunteers and went up the greasy pole by rotation or as above. And as for the French guy meeting a Dutch woman in Europe, we use Huguenot quite often as a generic term when we should really be using Walloon. William of Orange (William III) based his army in Holland and Belgium before invading England, so the Walloons and the Huguenots both lived and worked together, after all quite often Holland was the first point of exit for the Huguenot refugees. Also, there was economic migration between the Calvinist states and cities which had been going on for years prior to the Revocation. Such marriages were not uncommon and nothing out of the ordinary. Hope this helps Regards Tony Fuller

Dear Listers - -In the continuing search for Andris Souplis' origins in France, LDS FHC lists quite a few De Saint-Souplis, which would tie in with the postings which describe him as an officer of lower nobility. Upon his exodus from France, I believe he would have had to drop the "de Saint" from his name. Using the FHC records, we have constructed the following "possible" descendency chart, although I don't know the area where they may have lived. Unknown De Saint-Souplis c.1355/m. Suzanne Roussel 1. Jean De Saint-Souplis 1380- /m. Willaine LeBlond 2. Andre De Saint-Souplis c.1404/m. Beatrix De Baynast c. 1405- 3. Antoine De Saint-Souplis 1445/m. Marguerite De Bersacles 1445- 4. Jean De Saint-Souplis 1470/ m. Adrienne De Hesdin 1490- 5. Antoine De Saint-Souplis 1520-16- -/ m. Francoise De May 1528- 6. Jacque De Saint-Souplis 1560/ m. Isabeau De Saint-Blimond 1560- 7. Andre De Saint-Souplis 1596/m. Marie De Cacheleu 1600- 8. Andris Souplis 1634-1725/m. Anneke 1. Hue De Saint-Souplis 1383 1. Pierre De Saint-Souplis 1385 1. Robinet De Saint-Souplis 1388 1. Marguerite De Saint-Souplis 1390 Do any of these ring any bells ? Many thanks !! Dori

Hello, Group There are several situations in England, Holland, America, South Africa, and Canada of exogamy* between huguenots married Dutch reform spouses. My famly, the ROBINETTEs has several of such occurrances. New York had so many Dutch and French Huguenot immigrants inthe early days they had to print all official documents in French, Dutch and English. Northern French Calvinists were a bit closer theologically to the Dutch calvinst reform groups than say the Huguenot theology of the French Protestant Academy of Saumur, Moise Amyraut and company. The French Protestant Academy of Sedan in Les Ardennes, was more orthodox to early Calvin theology. Les Ardennes is just over the border from Belgium actually so there was a lot of 'blending' going on. The Dutch and Huguenot families in England, especially around Cambridgeshire were common. King William and Queen Mary were of Huguenot and reform origin I believe, no? * Exogamy: Marrying outside of one's specific ethnic, religious, or cultural group Edie

Listers -- Here comes another post which I'm forwarding from the HWE Board. If you want to reply to it, please follow the steps outlined at the very end of this message. Andrea (as list concierge) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] (Harriet L. Mauzy) Date Posted on HWE Board: November 13, 2003 Message Board Post as follows: I'm looking for information on the parents and siblings of Michael MAUZY who was born in France in 1650 and naturalized at Whitehall in 1687. ============================================ The above message was written by someone who is not a subscriber to this list. Therefore, you must reply on the Board by clicking first on: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Fq.2ADEAE/208 and then on Post Reply. END of Message Board Post

Everyone -- Here's another post forwarded from the HWE Board. Instructions for replying are at the very end. Andrea (as list concierge) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] (Cynthia Bressani) Date Posted on HWE Board: November 24, 2003 Message Board Post as follows: I have just discovered a Huguenot connection in the 1680's on the IGI. Has anyone else come across this name in South Lincs or Cambridgeshire? Spelt TEGERDINE or TIGGARDINE ============================================== To reply, click on: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Fq.2ADEAE/210 then click on Post Reply. Your reply on the Board may then be forwarded to this list. END of Message Board Post

This is a Message Board Post {MBP} which is being gatewayed -- ie. forwarded -- to the list by me, your list concierge. If you'd like to reply to it, please see instructions at the very end of this message. Andrea (as list concierge) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] (Richard Foinette) Date Posted on HWE Board: November 22, 2003 Message Board Post as follows: I believe I have traced my ancestry back to Samuel FOINET (also spelt FINNET or FINET), born c1765. One of his children, Sarah was christened in St Matthews, Bethnal Green. I have also found one family called FOINET from the LDS site. All the children from this family were christened in the Threadneedle Street Huguenot Church, but the latest entry is March 1729. The head of the family was Nicolas FOINET, born c1688 in Gruchet-le-Valasse Seine Maritime, Normandy. From enquiries to the Huguenot Society, he was a weaver by trade, father Andre. What I am after is any help or suggestions to link the two strands of what hopefully is my family, and also to trace back further in France. Any suggestions would be most welcome. Richard Foinette Chipping Sodbury ============================================== To reply to the above message, go to the HWE Board by clicking on: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Fq.2ADEAE/209 then click on Post Reply. Your reply on the Board may then be forwarded to this list. END of Message Board Post