Well, Toni just provided us with a church to add to the list in France - Bergerac. Also there is the Huguenot Church in Pons, France. In 1667, it was the site of the Synod of Pons, where Reformed Church leaders tried to rally support. That church building building was destroyed in 15 April 1686. Ray Timmons

Dear Peter Whilst reading 'The Dreadful Judgement' by Neil Hanson, I came across the following statement: " The King was deluged with petitions from desperate, destitute citizens, many of whom were owed money by the monarch himself: 'John le Roy, jeweller, for speedy payment of £357, balance due for a diamond ring for the Countess of Castlemaine.' " Although the book has a comprehensive bibliography, I can't tell the source for this. £357 was obviously a massive amount in 1666, and could have paid for the rebuilding of his home after the fire. Suzie Morley in Suffolk, England Looking for: ALLISON, BRADLEY, MILLER (in London) JEE/GEE, HOLLAND, KIRKMAN, MORLEY, RUSHTON, SPICE (in Lincolnshire) TABOURDEUX, TOUCHARD, URAND (Anywhere)

Dear All, I have just finished reading an excellent book. It is called 'The Dreadful Judgement - The True Story Of The Great Fire Of London'. I don't know about you, but all I knew on this subject was that it started in a Bakers Shop in Pudding Lane, destroyed most of the city and finished at Pie Corner. Oh, and they put up a monument to mark the spot. This book was a real eye-opener. What I hadn't realised was that a lot of people thought it was a 'papist plot', and blamed foreigners, papists and Frenchmen, for the conflagration of the city. Certainly a mentally, unbalanced Frenchman confessed and was hanged for torching the city, although there was no evidence to support his confession. I would recommend this to anyone who is researching London during this time-period. The description of the streets of London as the fire spread are very vivid. 13000 houses, 87 churches and the halls of 52 Livery Companies were burned to the ground. 'The Dreadful Judgement is a historical detective story, combining modern knowledge of the physics of fire, forensics, and fire and arson investigation, with moving eye-witness accounts contained in contemporary documents private papers and personal letters, to produce a searing depiction of the Great Fire of London and the human stories of those who lived through it and those who did not.' Title: 'The Dreadful Judgement - The True Story Of The Great Fire Of London' Author: Neil Hanson ISBN: 0-385-60134-4 (Hardback) http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0552147893/qid=1070968756/sr=1- 2/ref=sr_1_3_2/026-4692878-6005240 Suzie Morley in Suffolk, England Looking for: ALLISON, BRADLEY, MILLER (in London) JEE/GEE, HOLLAND, KIRKMAN, MORLEY, RUSHTON, SPICE (in Lincolnshire) TABOURDEUX, TOUCHARD, URAND (Anywhere)

That sounds like a marvellous idea! Jeanette. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Fuller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:24 AM Subject: Re: [HWE] Churches & communities > Hi folks > > On 5th December Peter Leroy was discussing some of the material tucked away in our archives and he wrote: > > "Andrea had provided a list of Hug /Wall churches in Eng, Fra, Ire and Ned." > > Got a date for that reference Peter? Perhaps we can copy it into the current discussion and see whether we can add to it (from the Hug Soc material and from what we have here) to see whether we can make a more comprehensive or up to date list and then build on it with vignettes of the communities and churches. > > Regards > > Tony Fuller > > > > > ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== > Have you submitted your surnames for our list web site? > To do so will make your names accessible to others on the Web. > For more info, contact Andrea (list admin)at [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello, all -- Well, isn't it nice that HWE has loyal subscribers who like to keep in touch even when they are away from home, as our Peter is, in places like "far off Bretagne". Peter, hope you've found time for a croissant, some café au lait.....or a glass (or more) of good French wine. Those archives will wait til you get home. But, having said that, I thank you very much, Peter, for raising this subject of churches and communities. I posted the info which Peter quoted when HWE was a mere month or so old (Feb 2000). My aim, at the time, was to drum up some interest and participation on the list. As I recall, the response to my proposal was........ (sad to say) zero. Rien. Not a thing. However, several months later in July 2000, I did post a series of informational posts on the French churches in London. Those posts, with dates, were -- 1 Jul 2000 Huguenot Churches in London (Part 1) 2 Jul 2000 Huguenot Churches in London (Part 2) 5 July 2000 Huguenot Churches in London (Part 3) 8 Jul 2000 Huguenot Churches in London (Part 4) 10 Jul 2000 Huguenot Churches of London (Part 5) 13 Jul 2000 Threadneedle Street & St. Bartholomew-by-the-Exchange Churches If you're interested in reading them, they're all there in the July 2000 threaded archives. How to get there? Well, our website explains how to access our archives at: http://www.island.net/~andreav/archives.htm. I still believe that posting info to the list about the French churches in various countries is a good idea and am gratified to see that Peter's reintroduction of the topic has already sparked some results. (Thanks again, Peter.) Much seems to be known about the London churches, for example, but what do we know about others in England such as the ones at Norwich or at Colchester? Not to mention churches in other countries such as Ireland, the Netherlands, etc. And, lastly, I have long thought of adding info about Huguenot churches to our website where it would be easily accessible and available. But, obviously, I have yet to do that. If there is enough renewed interest, though, I might be inspired to do it. Andrea (list concierge) > > >long it remained, how it >prospered, etc. ><SNIP> >In the meantime, I am asking for volunteers who would >be willing to post >similar histories of churches/communities they are >familiar with. If you are >interested and would like to give it a try, please >contact me off list to >let me know. > >I have listed below some locations and churches >(England, France,Ireland, Netherlands). It is by no >means a complete list. I would like others to suggest >more. > >For example, I have nothing for Scotland, Germany, >Switzerland, Sweden, South Africa. Also very little for >France and Netherlands. I have listed a lot of churches >in England simply because that is the area I am most >familiar with. > >Is anyone willing to provide a brief outline for one of >these communities or any others they know about? I hope >you will all give it some thought. Let's see what >interesting stuff we can come up with. Bon soir, >Andrea >------------ BELOW is the LIST ------------------ > >ENGLAND: >1) In London: >French Church, Threadneedle Street >Church of Hungerford Market (later Castle Street) >Church of Rider Court >Church of St. Jean Spitalfields >Church of St. Martin Orgars >Church of the Artillery, Spitalfields >Churches of Le Carre and Berwick Street >Church of The Tabernacle >Chuch of Glasshouse Street >Church of Leicester Fields >L'Eglise de la chapelle royale de St. James >L'Eglise de Swallow Street >L'Eglise du Petit Charenton >L'Eglise de la Savoye >Churches of West Street, Pearl Street & Crispin Street >Churches of La Patente de Soho, Wheeler Street, >Swanfields and Hoxton >L'Eglises de Spring Gardens et des Grecs >L'Eglise La Patente, Spitalfields > >2) Elsewhere in England: >Dutch Church at Colchester, Essex >French Church at Thorpe-le-Soken, Essex >Walloon Church of Jersey and Guernsey, Channel Islands >French Church at Thorney, Cambridgeshire >Church at Southampton, Hampshire >Walloon Church at Norwich, Norfolk >Church at Yarmouth, Norfolk >Church at Plymouth, Devon >Church at Bristol, Gloucestershire >Church at Stonehouse, Gloucestershire >Churches at Sandwich and Maidstone, Kent >Chapel at Sandtoft, Lincolnshire > >FRANCE: >Reformed Church at LeMans >Protestant Church at Guisnes >Churches at Marcq and Réty > >IRELAND: >Churches of Lucy Land and Peter Street, Dublin >French Church in the Lady Chapel of St Patrick's >Cathedral, Dublin >French churches of St. Patrick & St. Mar, Dublin >French Church at Portarlington > >NETHERLANDS: >Walloon Church of Cadzand >Churches at Leyden, Delft, Rotterdam and Middelburg >Churches at Amsterdam > > >==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== >Website for the Huguenots-Walloons-Europe list at: >http://www.island.net/~andreav/index.html >Lots of information, links to other sites, surnames list. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello All, Yes still enjoying life in Bretagne but alas it is nearly time to put aside my pleasures and return. Meanwhile... for a reason that now eludes me I was wandering the HWE archives in the year 2000 and came across the previously mention post by our concierge, Andrea. With some snippetting I have elected to repost in its abreviated form. Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 00:51:31 -0800 Subject: [H-W-E] Churches & communities (cont'd) <SNIP>What I have in mind are outlines describing the founding of each church/community in a particular location -- when/why/how it started, how long it remained, how it prospered, etc. <SNIP> In the meantime, I am asking for volunteers who would be willing to post similar histories of churches/communities they are familiar with. If you are interested and would like to give it a try, please contact me off list to let me know. I have listed below some locations and churches (England, France,Ireland, Netherlands). It is by no means a complete list. I would like others to suggest more. For example, I have nothing for Scotland, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, South Africa. Also very little for France and Netherlands. I have listed a lot of churches in England simply because that is the area I am most familiar with. Is anyone willing to provide a brief outline for one of these communities or any others they know about? I hope you will all give it some thought. Let's see what interesting stuff we can come up with. Bon soir, Andrea ------------ BELOW is the LIST ------------------ ENGLAND: 1) In London: French Church, Threadneedle Street Church of Hungerford Market (later Castle Street) Church of Rider Court Church of St. Jean Spitalfields Church of St. Martin Orgars Church of the Artillery, Spitalfields Churches of Le Carre and Berwick Street Church of The Tabernacle Chuch of Glasshouse Street Church of Leicester Fields L'Eglise de la chapelle royale de St. James L'Eglise de Swallow Street L'Eglise du Petit Charenton L'Eglise de la Savoye Churches of West Street, Pearl Street & Crispin Street Churches of La Patente de Soho, Wheeler Street, Swanfields and Hoxton L'Eglises de Spring Gardens et des Grecs L'Eglise La Patente, Spitalfields 2) Elsewhere in England: Dutch Church at Colchester, Essex French Church at Thorpe-le-Soken, Essex Walloon Church of Jersey and Guernsey, Channel Islands French Church at Thorney, Cambridgeshire Church at Southampton, Hampshire Walloon Church at Norwich, Norfolk Church at Yarmouth, Norfolk Church at Plymouth, Devon Church at Bristol, Gloucestershire Church at Stonehouse, Gloucestershire Churches at Sandwich and Maidstone, Kent Chapel at Sandtoft, Lincolnshire FRANCE: Reformed Church at LeMans Protestant Church at Guisnes Churches at Marcq and Réty IRELAND: Churches of Lucy Land and Peter Street, Dublin French Church in the Lady Chapel of St Patrick's Cathedral, Dublin French churches of St. Patrick & St. Mar, Dublin French Church at Portarlington NETHERLANDS: Walloon Church of Cadzand Churches at Leyden, Delft, Rotterdam and Middelburg Churches at Amsterdam

Hi Guys Whilst perambulating around the Dordogne earlier this year we wandered into Bergerac. Apart from finding the most wonderful North African restaurant (details privately, cheap tho and food to die for) we found the Protestant Church in Bergerac, right in the middle of town and quite famous for its resistance to the might of the Catholic Church. And they had a series of lectures about Huguenot history, which unfortunately I missed. But I took some pics of the exterior of the church and the attached, originally Huguenot, cloisters, now used to launch the Bergerac wine harvest every year. If anybody wants copies, email me off chat room and I'll send them on. Regards Tony Fuller

Hi folks On 5th December Peter Leroy was discussing some of the material tucked away in our archives and he wrote: "Andrea had provided a list of Hug /Wall churches in Eng, Fra, Ire and Ned." Got a date for that reference Peter? Perhaps we can copy it into the current discussion and see whether we can add to it (from the Hug Soc material and from what we have here) to see whether we can make a more comprehensive or up to date list and then build on it with vignettes of the communities and churches. Regards Tony Fuller

Has anyone come across the surname DALTREY in relation to Huguenot genealogy? I have been told on several occasions that it is a possiblity but have been unable to confirm this. My earliest DALTREY is James who was born around 1700 in London and was probably married to Lydia. With thanks for any help...... Elaine

Hi Guys That message came from me. All I can tell you is that the Hug Soc have agreed to produce their Quarto Series on CD Rom and I am leading on the project on their behalf. The first two CDs will not be on Naturalisation and Denization but will have the church extracts from two of the leading Huguenot Churches or areas. Assuming the first two are successful, the third CDRom, slated for production mid-2004, will cover all the Hug Soc Denization and Naturalisation publications. Basically, they are on their way, mid next year. Regards Tony Fuller

Hello All, By the magic of communications I am on an adventure in far off Bretagne. However like all good subscribers I do read the posts. One such post caught my attention, well ok so it was more than 3 years ago that our beloved 'Concierge' wrote an idea that she had. A great deal of snippage has taken place but the final par is sufficient... "Is anyone willing to provide a brief outline for one of these communities or any others they know about? I hope you will all give it some thought. Let's see what interesting stuff we can come up with... Andrea" (Andrea had provided a list of Hug /Wall churches in Eng, Fra, Ire and Ned) So! What did happen with such a brilliant idea ? Is there now buried somewhere within the HWE Archives an entire thread where we could discover the fruits of the labour of all those who undertook Andrea's challenging task ? Kind Regards, Peter Leroy

Hello , Does anyone know if the indexes of naturalization & denization are availiable on CD? I seem to remember them being discussed but I can't find a refence? Thanks, Will _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Hi Barry I think that is likely that you have either two Elizabeths and one Balthasar of vice versa, or two of each. I would totally discount the divorce idea because in those bygone days the only way of obtaining a divorce in En gland was through an Act of Parliament, which was very expensive and usually the prerogative of people with strong links to Parliament or the Royal Court. There is only one VERHULST in the Returns of Strangers in the Metropolis for 1593, Jacob, a servant and none recorded for 1627, 1635 or 1639. There are no instances of DESTAILLEUR at all. Neither family name appears in Durrant Cooper or Agnew which is unusual because they both cover non-London sources, unless of course there were variations in spelling which the Acrobat search would not pick up. Similarly, there are matches in the 16 Huguenot volumes in the Family Tree Maker disc 600 on Huguenot history. Similar caveat applies regarding spelling and searches. I'm wondering whether this family were related in some way to the 18th century Verelst family which was prominent in the East India Company? Hope this helps in some little way, Regards Tony Fuller

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Hello everyone, I am brand-new to the list, and am feeling my way. I undoubtedly have Huguenot ancestry (DELAFORCE, CRESSON, LARGILLIER and HAUET, to name but a few.) But my present problem concerns DESTAILLEUR and it arises because ELIZABETH DESTAILLEUR (who I had found as a daughter of JOSSE DESTAILLEUR, 'native of Norwich') seems to have married on 10.8.1606 at Canterbury a BALTHASAR VERHULST, and to have married again on 12.12.1609 at Threadneedle Street to JAQUES CRESSON. Which would be all very well if BALTHASAR had died between those two dates. But I find BALTHASAR acting as a marriage witness as late as 1615. Either there were two BALTHASARs or two ELIZABETHs, always assuming no divorce. Can anyone help me over a brick wall? Thanks. Barry Taylor

Hello Edie: Thanks for writing - you didn't say what surname you are researching. My theory is that northern French Calvinists from Artois were involved in draining the marshes behind the Pale of Calais when it was ruled by the English. In 1558 when the city was won back by the French and many of the Walloons sentenced to permanent exile by the Spanish Inquisition just after the winning of Calais, many of the 'drainers' went to various places in the Netherlands although the Spanish army was invading about the same time - the Walloons were in Cadzand, Flushing, then Middelburg (a big group who I think were draining the marshes in the middle of the island of Walcheren where Middelburg lies); Amsterdam, Leyden (where there is a huge collection of Walloon names in the University Library), Haarlem, etc. I would suggest that you look up your surnames in the Walloon collections which are available on film through a rental from the LDS (Mormon) Family History Centers - the strips photographed (Mirandelle collection) are all easily readable and the films are set up alphabetically (only by the letter so you do have to go through all the "C"s for instance) I'm sure there are experts on Vermuyden but he spent a good deal of time in England, finally becoming naturalized. He had worked on a drainage near the River Thames and somewhere else before contracting with the King to drain Hatfield Chase and then he went on to drain the Great Bedford Level although he was not the last 'adventurer' to do so. Books have been written about him. However, the story of the Walloon and Huguenot drainage people who were hired by Vermuyden for Hatfield (he had worked with them before in the Netherlands) has not been fully written as no book I've read has ever said where he found them in The Netherlands nor where they had settled - he had to contract them very fast, raise the money and get back to England. Note: The island of Walcheren used to be part of the country of Flanders and Calvinist clergy were often named and sent from there down into Artois which was also once part of Flanders - the Walloons came from French Flanders - east of Artois a bit - around Lille, etc. Also, the city of Norwich requested some French drainers to go to Norfolk and drain the marshes near Norwich in 1547 - the drainers may have stayed in Norfolk although I think some of them went into Cambridgeshire and worked on the Great Bedford Level - I should tell you there is conflict about the fact that the Walloons/Huguenots worked on the Great Bedford Level at all. I think they did. Regards - Carol

I think the memorial referred to by Elizabeth in Canterbury is the list of names published in "The Roll of the Huguenots" drawn up by the Huguenot society of Great Britain in 1885 at the 200th anniversary of the Edict of Nantes. Will _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Hi Elizabeth Ideas for your Canterbury Cathedral enquiry. The memorial is likely to be in the Huguenot Chapel in the Vault and that is well documented at the Huguenot Society Library. I can look that one up for you when I'm in there next week. Try a Google search for Canterbury Cathedral and when you get there, look up the Library, an email to the Librarian should confirm the memorial. Also many of the UK Cathedral Churches now have photographic records of the memorials so you may be able to get a picture of it, should it exist. Regards Tony Fuller

Hi Guys A couple of weeks ago I offered to copy the Sandtoft material in Vol II of the Society's Proceedings and send them off to people. Unfortunately, since making the offer, there have been a series of mishaps and events at the Library which has made the Library or photocopier either inaccessible or unusable, including the Library having to close at short notice last week owing to the Librarian being hospitalised. As there are no Library volunteers at the moment, other than me, and the Librarian has to be there to open the Library to comply with UCL rules, last week was out and this week I can't make it. It is top of my 'to do' list for next Tuesday when I'm next in the Library and I'll get it posted out to people by the Thursday. Regards Tony Fuller

Carol, Thank you for the info regarding the Sandoft settlement. Question: What book, register, records, list, resource is available that lists the names of the Walloon/Huguenots who were with VERMUYDEN in the Netherlands and who came over with him to Cambridgeshire? I have a lot of relatives in Cambridgeshire and we are working very diligently to find the source of our trip across the channel. Any help here would be most appreciated. Also, are there any VERMUYDEN scholars, researchers, or genealogists for hire who are experts in this area? Very best, Edie Robinette-Petrachi