In message <[email protected]>, [email protected] writes >I read recently an article that stated you could find information at the LDS >Family History centres on the Huguenots. I have a couple of questions. >1. Where do you look in the Library Cataolog, is it the country of origin or >country of exile? >2. What records are the best? >3. Are there any records that show the migration into England and if yes what >time periods do they cover? >4. How do I find out where my Huguenots came from? >I know I sound sort of a novice, I am when it comes to this kind of research. > I have be doing Family History for years and recently found out that at >least 8 family lines originated in France, Belguim, Holland or Germany. So, I >need to pick your brains. >Thank you. >Phyl Because my own surname has foreign origins, I too sought details of Huguenot immigration. Some background information that might be useful. In the mid-nineteenth century, a certain William Durrant Cooper collected and edited the returns from the then State Paper Office that dealt with Huguenot immigration. It was published in 1862 as one of the annual volumes of the Camden Society of London. As a description, the opening paragraph of the introduction reads: 'The following pages contain lists, first of the French and other refugees who, in 1622, were resident in St. Martin's-le-Grand in London, or were engaged in the trades of cutlers (for which they made the metropolis famous, as it still remains), joiners, ceelers, carvers, and tallow-chandlers; and also of the foreigners who were then resident in the principal places of refuge in England, viz., Canterbury, Maidstone, the Cinque Ports, Norwich and Colchester; and, secondly, of those refugees who came into this country between the years 1678 and 1688, during the troubles preceding and immediately following the revocation of the Edict of Nantes and to whom free letters of denization were granted by Charles II and James II.' The Camden volume is indexed by name and subject and the details therein often include family details, trades and the name of the town or village from whence they came. The volumes of the Camden Society may be found in major & academic (university) libraries. In the years 1897-1898, The Genealogical Magazine of London ran a series of articles by the Reverend Cornelius Hallen. This worthy extracted from the Lansdowne MSS in the British Museum, the 'List of Strangers' that had been compiled by the city fathers in 1567. Each of the articles listed by name against city ward, those inhabitants of foreign birth (including the Scots who were so regarded at that time). The names often gave details of family, trade, place of origin and how long they had been resident. The magazines were subsequently published as annual volumes, copies of which may be found in major libraries. Unfortunately, the articles were not collated and indexed and any name query requires a methodical search through all the articles. Both the Camden volume and the 'List of Strangers' (now indexed) have been subsequently published together on a CD. Lest I be accused of advertising, please email me privately for details. Mike. -- ======================================================================= Mike Gallafent - Publisher - CD 'Strangers, Foreigners & Aliens' - CD 'Published Wills of London' [email protected] - CD 'Middlesex Oath Rolls 1641-2' =======================================================================

I have a family of Huguenots with four children all born in Thorney, Cambridgeshire, England in the 1600's but the 4th and possibly the last child was born in Germany. I am going to do a little more research to find out if they stayed in Germany or returned to England. I figuired she went hiome to deliver the child. I know I get home sick and the Americans speak English. (or at least that's a rumor I here). kidding! Phyl

I read recently an article that stated you could find information at the LDS Family History centres on the Huguenots. I have a couple of questions. 1. Where do you look in the Library Cataolog, is it the country of origin or country of exile? 2. What records are the best? 3. Are there any records that show the migration into England and if yes what time periods do they cover? 4. How do I find out where my Huguenots came from? I know I sound sort of a novice, I am when it comes to this kind of research. I have be doing Family History for years and recently found out that at least 8 family lines originated in France, Belguim, Holland or Germany. So, I need to pick your brains. Thank you. Phyl

http://www.cg19.fr/page.php?P=data/fr/tourisme-culture/archives_departementales/acces/&PUB_ID=434 (URL will probably wrap.) The microfilms and CD-ROMS can be ordered the from Correze department of Tourism-Culture. Wonder what other districts in France have information like this that I don't know about? Does anybody know of similar possibilities? Ray Timmons

Hi Guys Peter Leroy is right that an alternative source of information is the Huguenot Society of the UK. However, the Society is currently updating and revamping its internet sites (I'm one of the team currently working on it and other Internet/CDRom projects) and has no direct access through the web site. Any enquiries should be addressed to the Librarian at [email protected] marked for the attention of Mary Bayliss, who is the person leading on family research enquiries. For your information, the Library is closed for the academic Xmas holiday until 5th January and the search process then takes between 2 and 4 weeks. Regards and best wishes for 2004 Tony Fuller

Ah the "are my ancestors Huguenot?" enquiry. To which a response has been the following :- > One way to check on an ancestor is to go to The > National Huguenot Society > webpage That is of course if one has "Qualified" under the terms of agreement of the U.S. society. For more information on the term "Qualified" in this mailing, may I suggest a quick search of the archives where one will discover many tid bits of information discussed previously. Other sources which may be pertinent, if you are outside of the United States of America, are the Huguenot Society in London. I believe that the URL is http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/ Kind Regards, Peter Leroy

One way to check on an ancestor is to go to The National Huguenot Society webpage at: http://www.huguenot.netnation.com/general/ Scroll down to Resources. The first item allows you to click on documented Huguenot ancestors updated to Jan. 2001. Best wishes, Linda Smith

Peter Leroy asked:- "Does anyone wish to take a guess or even may shed some historical fact as to why, this little band of Huguenots would wander back across the Chunnel to Belgium of all places ? " First point is that the state of Belgium did not then exist. It was a vague area called Flanders - Artois which changed hands between France and (mostly) Spain. The strength of Spanish control varied over the 16th and 17th centuries as did their repression of Protestants. I get the impression from reading that many families `went back' for a while when things cooled down having left their property in care of friends. As always consult John Peters' `A Family from Flanders' I don't know whether this fits your folks Peter but many of those who originally came from Flanders Artois continued to go back especially those living in Kent and London. They also stopped off in what are now Dutch towns because of trade, university connections etc. Regards, Bob Hairsine in Poole Dorset UK, researching HERSIN, HAIRSINE, HARESIGN.

Hello All: Following Bob Hairsine's posting, many of the Walloon/Artois families who were exiled between 1558-1650 went north into Holland, which was being invaded about that time by the Spanish army. Because of the small distance between the east coast of England and the west coast of Artois and the Netherlands, people apparently slipped in and out of the two countries any time they thought it was safe, to check on property, livestock, family, and friends. We need to remember that the Huguenot/Walloon people still had members of their families who remained Roman Catholic; also there were other Protestants who weren't exiled in that first 90 or so years, although many were killed as you know. Best wishes for the Holiday Season - Carol

Hello All and Season's Greetings: I recently was given a trade paperback of Lawrence and Nancy Goldstone's new book OUT OF THE FLAMES, the story of Michael Servetus and Calvin - it is an easy read and will help people understand the Protestant movement, the politics, and Calvin much better than most do unless you read the frequently dry older books about Calvin or his own writings. Best wishes - Carol

Hello all happy elves and elvettes here at this time of year. Yet another family argument.. Now that is too harsh. A disagreement has arisen around the old house regarding a few of our Huguenot ancestors and so I turn to this list. Giles LEROY marries Margurite de CONCY and off they head with his brother Jacques and his wife to merry old England. Health matters you see, being alive was good, being unalive, due to those Papists, was not. And so Judict and her brother Jean (yes we had trouble too selecting other names ) are born in the delightful English countryside, Wiltshire to be more precise. Now Jean does well and marries Anne Piton, ah nothing like mixing good French stock with some money. And here it comes folks, their second child, Guillaume, is born in Belgium, well Mons which is close enough. Now we have familly historians that say no siree this could not be possible, afterall the Protestants of that part of Europe were doing no better than us French folks, oh ok now we are English folks. Changing nationality and sides is not and uncommon past time in our tree. So to the question. Does anyone wish to take a guess or even may shed some historical fact as to why, this little band of Huguenots would wander back across the Chunnel to Belgium of all places ? Were there safe houses there ? Was the Protestant army doing well and so security amongst fellow French speaking folk was better than mixing it with a bunch of foreign devils on the island off the mainland ? One suggestion is to do with money or finance. And boy, were we into that little enterprise from the beginning. It seems that only a few years earlier, up in Holland, some folks had begun the first banking business. And so it has been suggested that for tax purposes, well the English were taking a liking to taxing anything that moved, the family should take its finances off shore. ok so Europe isn't off shore but you follow the drift. Having arrived with a pocket full of livre perhaps we took up banking ? Does anyone know anything at all or could point toward further information regarding banking in Belgium or Alsace during the Reformation ? Well it is chilly here south of Dijon but the family wine is good and my sojourn seeking genealogical knowledge continues. Kind Regards, Peter Leroy

Hi Guys Well, before everybody either toddles off or hunkers down for the forthcoming festivities, just a brief note (sorry Andrea) to wish all the subscribers to this wonderful list all the very best for Xmas and 2004 and very good luck with their research, individually undertaken, through the family or through the list. To every body who has been successful, well done, to those still searching, keep at it and for those who think they have finished - think again, something will come up to start you off again, somebody will feed you another snippet, a lost and distant second cousin that gets you going. Good luck chums and all the very best for 2004 Regards Tony Fuller

I am new to the list and not even sure if my ancestors were Huguenots. One of my very English forebears married a man with the above surname and it appears he came from Condon in France. Does anyone know anything about this family or whether they might have been Huguenots? Margaret (W. Sussex) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Archibald" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 20 December 2003 02:41 Subject: [HWE] re VERITE > My name is Norman Archibald and i am new to the Huguenot list. > My mother`s maiden name was VERITY, which the family always believed was Huguenot in origin, even though the family as we know it in Australia, had it`s origins in Middleton, Lancashire, my great grandfather having migrated to Australia from Middleton in 1863. > I understand the Huguenot spelling of the name was VERITE or VIRITIE. > Could anyone on the list tell me if the name has it`s origins as Huguenot, and if so, how do i go about discovering which part of France the VERITE Huguenot`s originated from.?? > Regards, > Norman. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/03 >

My name is Norman Archibald and i am new to the Huguenot list. My mother`s maiden name was VERITY, which the family always believed was Huguenot in origin, even though the family as we know it in Australia, had it`s origins in Middleton, Lancashire, my great grandfather having migrated to Australia from Middleton in 1863. I understand the Huguenot spelling of the name was VERITE or VIRITIE. Could anyone on the list tell me if the name has it`s origins as Huguenot, and if so, how do i go about discovering which part of France the VERITE Huguenot`s originated from.?? Regards, Norman. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/03

Listers -- Here's a message which was posted on the HWE Board and, therefore, I'm forwarding to the list. If you want to reply to it, follow the directions at the very end of the message. Andrea (as list concierge) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Date Posted on HWE Board: December 19, 2003 Message Board Post as follows: I have ancestors with the surname of DUPPLAW. I have been told that the family were French in origin and that their original surname may have been DU PLEAU (or something similar). I am wondering if there is a Huguenot link. I'm not sure when the family arrived in England but they were definitely here by 1800 and moved from London to Bristol. Can anyone shed any light on this? B. xx =========================================== To reply to the above message, please go to the HWE Board by clicking on this URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Fq.2ADEAE/216 and then click on Post Reply. Your reply may then be forwarded to this list. END of Message Board Post

Hi Guys As I've been making a bit of a fuss behind the scenes in the Hug Soc about the Society's use (or lack of use) of the internet I'm now working with some other people to sort out their web site and email facilities. I do know about the dead end on the web site that is supposed to lead to an email address but I've also heard second-hand about other problems but have no first hand information, except those that John Stevens sent to me. The Society can't do anything to address problems unless we know what the problems are so .... If anybody has tried to contact the Society and has had no response, sent emails that have not been replied to, not been satisfied with the response that they received etc etc, would they please email me privately to let me know what the problems were/are (rather than through the main room, don't want Andrea telling me off) so we can do something to address the issues. Many thanks Regards Tony Fuller

Some suggestions off the top of my head: Me equals master , abbreviated form of maitre , So Maitre orphevre equals master goldsmith ( in Paris there's the Quai des Orfevres , named after them ) Vittrier equals glazier Substitut equals substitute - depending on context it could mean different occupations Escuyer - meaning will depend on the date - it's the same as the English word squire , but the meaning will be very date dependent. Comments from real experts welcomed <grin> Robert Hillier PS I omit accents - they seem to come out as weirdities via email

Another 'stray' from the published wills of Surrey: Alexander MUCKOE, of Bermondsey, Hempdresser, 10 December 1603. 'Alexander MUCKOE of the Parrishe of St. Marye Magdalene at Barmondsey in the countie of Surrey Hempdresser.' To the poor of the French church £10. I give my eldest son John MUCKOE £50, in addition to the £75 he hath already.- To my youngest son Jacob MUCKOE £90. Residue to my wife Saintaine, my extrix. Friend Bartholomew POWELL, joiner in Sowthwarke, overseer. Dated 10 Dec. 1603. Witness Richard HALL scr. Bartholomeus PAWLENS Proved (PCC) 18 Aug. 1604 by extrix. Mike -- ======================================================================= Mike Gallafent - Publisher - CD 'Strangers, Foreigners & Aliens' - CD 'Published Wills of London' - CD 'Lay Subsidy Rolls Surrey 1593/4' - CD 'Published Wills of Surrey' - CD 'Early Inhabitants of Kent' - CD 'Published Wills of Kent' [email protected] - CD 'Middlesex Oath Rolls 1641-2' =======================================================================

Another 'stray' from the published wills of Surrey: Walter VAN STRIPEN of Bermondsey, Leatherdresser 10 February 1603. 'I Walter VAN STRIPEN of the parish of sainte Marie Magdalens neare Barmondsey in the countie of Surrey Leatherdresser.' To my mother £20-Marie, dau. Of my sister Marie decd. £20 at 21 years or marriage. To the poor of the 'Duch church in London' £10. Residue between my son Abraham and my wife Marie my extrix. My brethren John and David VAN STRIPEN. Overseers my friends William PROST, Peter JACOBSON and Peter DE PRILL. Dated 10 Feb. 1603. Witness William HONE serv. Elizabeth WRIGHTE Proved (PCC) 17 March 1603 by Proctor to extrix. Mike. -- ======================================================================= Mike Gallafent - Publisher - CD 'Strangers, Foreigners & Aliens' - CD 'Published Wills of London' - CD 'Lay Subsidy Rolls Surrey 1593/4' - CD 'Published Wills of Surrey' - CD 'Early Inhabitants of Kent' - CD 'Published Wills of Kent' [email protected] - CD 'Middlesex Oath Rolls 1641-2' =======================================================================

Another 'stray' from the published wills of Surrey: Roger DU GORDON 18 March, 1607-8. The French church in London. Wife Jane Executrix. My apparel to be divided between wife's kindred and my own. Witn. Daniel TIBREGHEN, John DE PENBROUCE, John JORION, Franchous LE BRUTT. Proved in the Archdeaconry Court of Surrey 2 April, 1608. -- ======================================================================= Mike Gallafent - Publisher - CD 'Strangers, Foreigners & Aliens' - CD 'Published Wills of London' - CD 'Lay Subsidy Rolls Surrey 1593/4' - CD 'Published Wills of Surrey' - CD 'Early Inhabitants of Kent' - CD 'Published Wills of Kent' [email protected] - CD 'Middlesex Oath Rolls 1641-2' =======================================================================