Hello List, anyone help in any way please. The subject name was in the Norfolk area namely The Parish of Tilney All Saints in 1674-1678 a family of Jacob and Susan with daughters Susan 1674 and Mary 1678 and the spelling DORENALE. The river Great Ouse passed through this village with its land on either side asking to be drained and then having the meander to this village straightened with the Eau Brink Cut in middle 1800's. The next information on the name now changed to,I believe, it's original Walloon spelling of DORENAIL gave me a Benjamin a tenant of the Duke of Bedford at Thorney, Cambs 1730-34 (supplied by Carol MARKILLIE) This Benjamin arrived in West Lynn with a Mary NN and a family including a Joseph 1730 and a John 1737 to whom I think I have given some substance, at least for the John with a family who married a Huguenot name PRESANT Susannah in the next village of Clenchwarton, her residence and he of West Lynn in 1764. No such trace as yet for Joseph but I have ! a Burial that fits May 1803 in another adjacent village, with the name cropping up generally, of Terrington St Clement. The family spreads to the Parish of South Lynn All Saints via various connections to my defined name of DONALD via DONELL 1792 a John marrying a Mary ANTHONY in West Winch with a son James from whom I have traced my maternal grandmothers family the final DONALD family, hence my Uncle and my own Christian names of Donald. I will be grateful to hear from anyone with any further details on the names at all relating generally to the Fen Area. As far as a list is concerned mine as you see is the NORFOLK and THE FENS is now related mainly to the current county of CAMBRIDGESHIRE. TIA and regards, Don.S.DODMAN researching DODMAN [Bacton/Barney/Fakenham/Sculthorpe/Grimston/Tilney/Colkirk etc] DONALD[West Lynn,Tilneys/Clenchwarton incl Walloon connection] SHIRLEY[Briston/Guestwick/Worthing/Billingford etc] KILLINGSWORTH[Clenchwarton/Tilneys/Walpoles etc] HORNIGOLD[Shipdham/W.Raynham/King's Lynn and into Suffolk] SPINKS[Hockwold-cum-Wilton/Bodney/Colkirk/Stoke Holy Cross etc] NFHS Member No.4254. SUBSCRIBER to NORFOLK List. [email protected] http://www.btinternet.com/~dondodman.htm

Can this be the church of the Inns of the Temple in London? Jeanette. ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Hi All: > > I have found a marriage: > > 11 Feb 1679/80 Marke LE PLA, Vicar of Finchingfield, Co. > of Essex, Bachelor, age about 30 and Mrs (courtesy title) > Anne MARRYOTT, of St. Giles in the Fields, Middlesex, > spinster, about 23 years of age, with consent of her > father, at the parish church or chapel of the Temple, > London. > >

Hi All: I have found a marriage: 11 Feb 1679/80 Marke LE PLA, Vicar of Finchingfield, Co. of Essex, Bachelor, age about 30 and Mrs (courtesy title) Anne MARRYOTT, of St. Giles in the Fields, Middlesex, spinster, about 23 years of age, with consent of her father, at the parish church or chapel of the Temple, London. Source: England - Canterbury - Index to the Act Books of the Archbishops of Canterbury, 1663-1859 (L-Z) I am wondering if someone could tell me which church or chapel this is - could it be the Templars chapel? Nooo. I am at a loss. Found this on Ancestry.com which was a real surprise. Regards - Carol

When giving her talk on her translation of the Memoirs of Isaac Dumont de Bostaquet at a seminar in Dublin, Dianne Ressinger described the difficulties of sorting out the French names of the period. Some names related to land, others to the mother's and others to the father's side of the family. It appears to be a minefield to say the least. Is this the Du Plessy Mornay who was connected with the Protestant educational institution at Saumur prior to the Revocation? Shirley Arabin Mount Maunganui, New Zealand . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzie Morley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> > that mean that his father was from Plessis-Mornay? Did the man take his > name from the place or was it the other way round? > > Suzie Morley in Suffolk, England >

Hello All, Now this is a topic very dear to my interests. Just who or when did all this Reform thing begin ? If one journeys back to around 1438 in France, it is very easy to see that all was not well within the rank and file of the masses. Goodness comrades I digress already. Back on topic me. Well yes, the masses of those wonderfully pious Bishops and other clergy of the Roman Catholic church in France. Seems some were grumbling to the King that some fellow thought he could tell them what to do and they were confused due the King telling them what they should be doing and more importantly who to donate money to. Now the King, who happened to be Charles VIII, had some rather radical ideas, for the time, that HE was the main man in France and not some Pope, any Pope will do but that is another story of having two Popes at the same time. Anywho... Charlie, the King, decides to take things on himself and calls a synod to meet in Bourges. Nice place is Bourges it was only last week...opps digression. So the Synod meets and out of that meeting comes many a change to the church in France. By golly is change meaning Reform ? Yes, folks Pragmatic Sanction. Neat title but what does it all mean to the church in France ? Well one of the outcomes, which was really just to sooth the Pope somewhat, was that general councils shall be held every ten years, in places to be designated by the Pope. Oh well he does get to have a say in some things but the next one must have really set the Pope back as it said that the authority of the general council is superior to that of the Pope in all that pertains to the faith, the extirpation of schism, and the reform of the Church in both head and members. "..superior to the Pope" wow, them is fighting words and then the last few words of this item about "reform of the church". The little matter of Annates surely got the old Catholics outside of France jumpng as it would deprive them of money. And folks that is where I come in as I tend to follow the thought that the Reformation was about money, land and eventually religion in that order. Annates ? new word for some ? Well it simply means that if a Bishop set up shop, the money collected in the first year were to sent off to the Pope. The seventh judgement of the 'Pragmatic Sanction of Bourges' forbid such Annates. Now we have all read about the Reformation and Gutenberg, Luther, Zwingli and company. And sure they did their part but this Synod was a long time before them, in the case of Calvin by some 90 odd years. I would suggest that Luther may make a claim as one of the religious founders of the Reformation, although there is much evidence to suggest that even he was only at the mid-point of the Reform. I would further suggest that the beginnings of the Reformation were from within the church itself. And yes we know Luther was a priest and all, however there would seem to be many others prior to Luther who can claim to have been the founders of the Reformation in Europe. I add the word Europe there, just to isolate which Reformation we are discussing. I don't really think the Mayans cared two hoots about the European one nor did the Inuit of the nothern regions. Something to ponder and I shall do so more. Kind Regards, Peter Leroy

Hello All and some, Yes unfortunately I have returned and how the emails pile up. I did however manage to reply to one or two while imbibing. So! To things Huguenot and of course Walloon. Suzie Morley has made mention of the Du Plessis tribe. What a mixed lot they were or indeed are. We have some minor information of a branch of this tribe although 4th cousins is hardly a close relationship and indeed in this case the branch that Suzie is pondering is so far distant that we do not keep too many records. Having said that we do have on our humble db one Judith Anne DU PLESSIS DU MORNAY. She was born in Buhy, Vetin in 1555 and married a cousin jean Du Plessis, born in 1548. The couple produced at least one child in Charles DU PLESSIS born in 1590. Our relationship is due to Anne Leroy marrying Francois DU PLESSIS (yes, there were many of them) who produced a Louis and so we go down to some notable Du Plessis later on. It may mean something to Suzie or perhaps not, however if one sits on information and does not mention then others may not know. Kind Regards, Peter Leroy

Hallo Theo and Tony, Theo, That is brilliant. I had been using maporama.com and that didn't seem to find anthing that fitted so I had come to the conclusion that it was a person rather than a place. But viamichelin.com found Plessis-Mornay just south of Versailles. Tony, The book you mentioned, 'A Huguenot Family in the 16th Century, the memoirs of Philippe de Mornay' is even now on its way to me. That must advance, at least my understanding, if not my search. I hope that everyone will bear with me if I ask another question. Phillipe de Mornay (Du-Plessis-Mornay) was born at Buhy in Normandy (http://89.1911encyclopedia.org/M/MO/MORNAY_PHILIPPE_DE.htm) - so does that mean that his father was from Plessis-Mornay? Did the man take his name from the place or was it the other way round? Suzie Morley in Suffolk, England Looking for: ALLISON, BRADLEY, MILLER (in London) JEE/GEE, HOLLAND, KIRKMAN, MORLEY, RUSHTON, SPICE (in Lincolnshire) TABOURDEUX, TOUCHARD, URAND (Anywhere) > -----Original Message----- > From: Theo Snijders [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 18 January 2004 18:51 > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [HWE] TABOURDEUX from Duplessis-Mornay > > > Dear Suzie, > > You could try the website of ViaMichelin.com, choose Maps, > pick France, type (in City/area) Plessis-Mornay, hit OK, and > you will get a map of the surroundings of the little > town/village of Le Plessis-Mornay near Paris (Ile-de-France). > Duplessy and Duplessis are of course also surnames! Marly > gives you a large number of different places. Maybe Marly-le-Roi? > > Theo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suzie Morley" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 1:03 PM > Subject: [HWE] TABOURDEUX from Duplessis-Mornay > > > > Dear everyone, One of 'my' TABOURDEUX (Jean Tabourdeux) has as his > > place of birth, variously: > > > > - de Duplarsis, Marly dans Lisle de France > > - du plessy Marlay de France

Hi everyone, I thought you might like to know about the following links: http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~alan/family/G-Sandtoft.html It provides a brief description of Sandtoft (there is also a link to Thorney) as well as an extract from the Register of Sandtoft Chapel, which is now considered lost. Suzie Morley in Suffolk, England Looking for: ALLISON, BRADLEY, MILLER (in London) JEE/GEE, HOLLAND, KIRKMAN, MORLEY, RUSHTON, SPICE (in Lincolnshire) TABOURDEUX, TOUCHARD, URAND (Anywhere)

I am researching the life of one of my Huguenot ancestors, André Jamouneau, who fled the Poitou region of France to Guernsey in about 1700. I have found the baptisms of his children in Guernsey between 1702-1710. But I cannot find any details of his death in the island's registers. I know his wife remarried in 1714, so he must have died between 1710 and 1714. I was wondering whether he made a journey back to France, and died either in transit, or was captured on his return ? Does anyone have any idea if this sort of thing happened ? Any other hypotheses ? Thanks Stephen Foote ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

Hello Suzie, Just two characters difference: Anglists means Anglicists (as .....) The rest of the text is a good translation. Theo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzie Morley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 10:09 AM Subject: RE: [HWE] Translation Please > Hi, My husband has translated this, but can't find a translation for > "Anglisten" > > "Anglisten" (?) as/as well as P. Messiaen (Linzele) and L. Bocquet > (Markillie) readily recognise what is due to him: firstly/primarily (?) > the knowledge from the English poets out the middle ages and the > renaissance. > > Suzie Morley in Suffolk, England > > Looking for: > ALLISON, BRADLEY, MILLER (in London) > JEE/GEE, HOLLAND, KIRKMAN, MORLEY, RUSHTON, SPICE (in Lincolnshire) > TABOURDEUX, TOUCHARD, URAND (Anywhere) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Carol J. Markillie [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: 18 January 2004 18:44 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [HWE] Translation Please > > > I think this sentence comes from a Dutch article on English > > literature but if it might concern genealogy, could someone > > please translate this for me: > > > > Anglisten als P. Messiaen (Linzele) en L. Bocquet > > (Markillie) bekennen graag wat zij hem verschuldigd zijn: de > > eerste, de kennis van de Engelse dichters uit de middeleeuwen > > en de renaissance > > > > Many thanks - > > Carol Markillie > > California > > > ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== > Not sure how to post a message to the list? > Instructions are on list website at: > http://www.island.net/~andreav/post.htm > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi, My husband has translated this, but can't find a translation for "Anglisten" "Anglisten" (?) as/as well as P. Messiaen (Linzele) and L. Bocquet (Markillie) readily recognise what is due to him: firstly/primarily (?) the knowledge from the English poets out the middle ages and the renaissance. Suzie Morley in Suffolk, England Looking for: ALLISON, BRADLEY, MILLER (in London) JEE/GEE, HOLLAND, KIRKMAN, MORLEY, RUSHTON, SPICE (in Lincolnshire) TABOURDEUX, TOUCHARD, URAND (Anywhere) > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol J. Markillie [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 18 January 2004 18:44 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [HWE] Translation Please > I think this sentence comes from a Dutch article on English > literature but if it might concern genealogy, could someone > please translate this for me: > > Anglisten als P. Messiaen (Linzele) en L. Bocquet > (Markillie) bekennen graag wat zij hem verschuldigd zijn: de > eerste, de kennis van de Engelse dichters uit de middeleeuwen > en de renaissance > > Many thanks - > Carol Markillie > California

Dear Suzie, You could try the website of ViaMichelin.com, choose Maps, pick France, type (in City/area) Plessis-Mornay, hit OK, and you will get a map of the surroundings of the little town/village of Le Plessis-Mornay near Paris (Ile-de-France). Duplessy and Duplessis are of course also surnames! Marly gives you a large number of different places. Maybe Marly-le-Roi? Theo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzie Morley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 1:03 PM Subject: [HWE] TABOURDEUX from Duplessis-Mornay > Dear everyone, One of 'my' TABOURDEUX (Jean Tabourdeux) has as his place > of birth, variously: > > - de Duplarsis, Marly dans Lisle de France > - du plessy Marlay de France > > Using Google I can find loads of information relating to Philippe > Duplessis-Mornay (Philippe de Mornay), but I can't seem to find exactly > where on the map Duplessis-Mornay might be. Philippe Duplessis-Mornay > was obviously a key figure in the Huguenot movement and was Governor of > Saumur (on the River Loire about halfway between Tours and Angers), but > where exactly is the place where my ancestors came from? > > Suzie Morley in Suffolk, England > > Looking for: > ALLISON, BRADLEY, MILLER (in London) > JEE/GEE, HOLLAND, KIRKMAN, MORLEY, RUSHTON, SPICE (in Lincolnshire) > TABOURDEUX, TOUCHARD, URAND (Anywhere) > > > ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== > Have you explored The Huguenot Ring? Access it at: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/8140/webring.htm > Lots of interesting links and information! > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hello All: I think this sentence comes from a Dutch article on English literature but if it might concern genealogy, could someone please translate this for me: Anglisten als P. Messiaen (Linzele) en L. Bocquet (Markillie) bekennen graag wat zij hem verschuldigd zijn: de eerste, de kennis van de Engelse dichters uit de middeleeuwen en de renaissance Many thanks - Carol Markillie California

Is anyone working on the following line? I would like to know if the information is accurate or not. Petrus JOIRE b-abt 1575 Armentieres, Flanders, France married: abt 1600, Jacoba LeBLANC b-abt 1579 d-aft 1608. Issue: 1. Maria b-1601 2. Margareta b-1604 3. Joannes b-1605 4. Joanna b-1608 5. Madeleine b-1611 - *more follows 6. Petrus b-1619 All issue born in Armentieres, Flanders, France *Magdeleine Jorise, b-1611 Armentieres, Flanders, France, m-15 Oct 1633 Roman Catholic Ch. of Armentieres, France, Matthys Blanchan, born Niuville,Artois, France; d-abt 1671 Kingston, Ulster Co., NY, (will written 22 Aug 1671 and proved 7 Mar. 1687/88; son of Leonin Blanchan and Isabeau LeRoy. Thank you. Patricia Curran - Chambersburg, PA, USA

Dear everyone, One of 'my' TABOURDEUX (Jean Tabourdeux) has as his place of birth, variously: - de Duplarsis, Marly dans Lisle de France - du plessy Marlay de France Using Google I can find loads of information relating to Philippe Duplessis-Mornay (Philippe de Mornay), but I can't seem to find exactly where on the map Duplessis-Mornay might be. Philippe Duplessis-Mornay was obviously a key figure in the Huguenot movement and was Governor of Saumur (on the River Loire about halfway between Tours and Angers), but where exactly is the place where my ancestors came from? Suzie Morley in Suffolk, England Looking for: ALLISON, BRADLEY, MILLER (in London) JEE/GEE, HOLLAND, KIRKMAN, MORLEY, RUSHTON, SPICE (in Lincolnshire) TABOURDEUX, TOUCHARD, URAND (Anywhere)

Hi Guys Usual disclaimer, nothing to do with me in the commercial sense other than a very satisfied customer. I have been using a book dealer from Westcliff on Sea, Essex, UK for several years who specialises in academic books, usually bought from retiring academics who have the books sent to them for review. I've just spent far too much money on books from his latest list, over 700 volumes of which 40 odd were directly related to Huguenots, Reformation Theology or other similar subjects. Plus general social, political and economic history. I may only buy 20 books a year from him but they are always good value and for academic or scarce books, his prices are good. So now I have copies of 'De Mornay, Huguenot Family in the XVI Century', 'La Rochelle and the French Monarchy', 'Myths about the St Bartholomew's Day Massacre', 'Beneath The Cross: Catholics and Huguenots in Sixteenth-Century Paris' plus books on Reformation Theology and the Dutch maritime empire. To get copies of his list, you should email: [email protected] or look at the website www.cliftonbooks.co.uk. Hope this might help somebody Regards Tony Fuller

Marie Jefferson Are you getting the mailings? Whether you are or not, you need to write to Robert Jacques, Administration Officer, The Huguenot Library, University College, Gower Street, London, WC1E 6BT. Robert should be able to sort you out from there. Regards Tony Fuller

Hello List, I am researching my family name of GALIEGUE. My Great Great Great Grandfather was Jean Baptiste GALIEGUE born about 1750 - probably in France. He married a woman called Ann ( possibly Anne HESSE) and had at least 4 children in London, England The children were : * John GALIEGUE b 1783 and baptised St Leonards, Shoreditch London Ann GALIEGUE b 1785 " " " Joseph GALIEGUE b 1787 " * William GALIEGUE b 1790 " There may have been another son, Jean Baptiste GALIEGUE b 1795 in Threadneedle St but this could be an error in the records * John GALIEGUE b 1783 married Rachel BINNS in Westminster London 1806. They had 10 children. Some were christened at St Leonards, Shoreditch and others were christened at St Luke Old Street, Finsbury. One son, Henry, born 1819, married Charlotte BREADMORE Another, Charles b 1821 married ' Maryann' and died in 1884 aged 63. They had at least 4 children John b 1809 married Frances Mary BREWER and died aged 65. They also had a number of children * William GALIEGUE born 1790, married Elizabeth Amelia COOKE on 29 March 1818 at St Matthews, Bethnal Green and had at least 8 children who were christened at St Giles, Cripplegate and St Matthew, Bethnal Green. London William was an Undertaker but I don't know anything else about him One of his daughters, Elizabeth Amelia GALIEGUE b 1830 emigrated to New Zealand in 1851 on the ' STATELY'. She was a needlewoman. She married William Brighton there in 1852. She wrote a letter to the NZ newspaper in 1851 about the treatment she and the other girls recieved from the Captain as a result of some of them singing rude songs as they crossed the Equator ! I would appreciate any help in finding out where Jean Baptiste GALIEGUE came from. It is possible he was from Walincourt as the name features there in the 1700's. There was one other GALIEGUE in London in the late 1700's. His name was Jean Michel GALIEGUE. He was a silk weaver at 36 Union Street Spitalfields London in 1794. He married Catherine Bertier 23 Nov 1782 at Spitalfields Christ Church, Stepney. Catherine came from a family that had been in London for over 100 years. They had at least 8 children who were all christened at Threadneedle St, 'French Huguenot, London'. Catherine Bertier's parents were Urbain BERTIER and Ann Fol Enfant. Ann Fol Enfant was christened 5 January 1718 in Threadneedle Street and her parents were Pierre Fol Enfant and Sarah Turlington. Pierre and Sarah were married 10 February 1716 in St Dunstan, Stepney. Pierre's parents were probably Pierre and Marie Fol Enfant. I have found one Galiegue family went to Michigan USA in the late 1800's or early 1900's and another family went to Ontario, Canada about 1870 sometime I would appreciate any advice on the Galiegue families of London. I have other information to share - especially on Elizabeth Galiegue who went to NZ in 1851 and who must have had a vivid imagination as she told her children she had been spirited out of France during the French Revolution ( when in fact she and her father had been born in London ) and that her father was a ' Professor of Languages' when he was actually an Undertaker ! Kind regards Jocelyn Bond Sydney Australia

Hi Tony I thought it might be something along the lines you describe but thanks for putting my mind at ease anyway. Cheers Lesley ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Fuller To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:07 PM Subject: [HWE] Membership of Society Query Hi Lesley Oh dear, sorry about this. There is a problem with the Hug Soc's web page and the email address has been a dead end for some while. At the moment the Society is working on a new web site (I'm helping put it together) and the various problems there are being addressed. Whilst I understand that you're anxious about your certificate, there is no need to be. The certificates have your name written in by a volunteer and because of some backlog problems in the Society, mainly caused by the postal strike and Xmas following quite close behind, there is a backlog of much admin material - and as the Society is wholly volunteer run with the exception of the Librarian, these things do take time I'm afraid. Don't worry about it tho, the fact that you don't have it yet does not detract from the fact that you are on the books and will have all the privileges of membership. Oh, and welcome to the Society!!!!!!! Regards Tony Fuller ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== Not sure how to post a message to the list? Instructions are on list website at: http://www.island.net/~andreav/post.htm ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.561 / Virus Database: 353 - Release Date: 13/01/2004

Hi Lesley Oh dear, sorry about this. There is a problem with the Hug Soc's web page and the email address has been a dead end for some while. At the moment the Society is working on a new web site (I'm helping put it together) and the various problems there are being addressed. Whilst I understand that you're anxious about your certificate, there is no need to be. The certificates have your name written in by a volunteer and because of some backlog problems in the Society, mainly caused by the postal strike and Xmas following quite close behind, there is a backlog of much admin material - and as the Society is wholly volunteer run with the exception of the Librarian, these things do take time I'm afraid. Don't worry about it tho, the fact that you don't have it yet does not detract from the fact that you are on the books and will have all the privileges of membership. Oh, and welcome to the Society!!!!!!! Regards Tony Fuller