I am forwarding this message because the names given are possibly Huguenot. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Death Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DYD.2ACEB/591 Message Board Post: I am in no way related to this person, but wanted to post the information in case it is helpful to someone else. Source, Lowell Sun Lowell MA September 27, 1956 AUGUSTIN H. BERNARD Augustin H. Bernard, 68, also known as Harry Bernard, died yesterday afternoon at St. John's hospital after a short illness. Mr. Bernard was employed as a machinist at the Kute Kiddie Shoe Co. for the past eight years and was well known. He was born in Manchester, N.H., and came to this city at an early age. He was the son of the late Charles and Hedwidge (Gauvin) Bernard. He leaves his wife, Delima (Lebourdais) Bernard; two daughters, Mrs. Vincent Kulickowski and Mrs. Vincent Donoghue, both of Lowell; five grandchildren, and several nieces and nephews. He was a member of the Unit Shoe Workers Union of America. ==== BERNARD Mailing List ==== To contact the List Admin email: BERNARD-admin@rootsweb.com To UNSUBSCRIBE send an email to: BERNARD-L-request@rootsweb.com (In Digest Mode change the "L" to a "D") with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Dear Cathy, Many thanks Cathy. So it does appear that there are two (conflicting?)indexes of this marriage. Unfortunately my local LDS library has been closed all year for refurbishing - goodness knows when it will open again! Also, when I did a search on the family search page on their Library Catalogue, I didn't get any results for St James Westminster - or at least, not Parish Registers!!Perhaps I should look again - although I've found this couple's first child baptised at St Mary Lambeth, so I suspect they only used the other church for weddings. Thank you for your help. Regards, Jeanette. > > From: "Cathy Day" <cathy.day@homemail.com.au> > Date: 2005/11/05 Sat PM 01:45:42 GMT+13:00 > To: <jmdemontalk@xtra.co.nz>, > <HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: IGI source: MARTIN and LEFORT - Wait! > > Hi Folks, > > Wait! There have been a lot of leaping to conclusions in this thread > about the LDS process for putting names on the IGI. Please read this post > and you will find your ancestors, Jeanette. > > If you want to find out about the source of any record that is on the > IGI, you click on the "Source Call No" button . In this case, it is > #1042313. When clicked, this will reveal that the source for the IGI entry > was NOT Boyd's at all, but rather a microfilm of original records held at > the Westminster City Library, of the St James Church of England Westminster > 1685-1881. Click on the "Parish Registers" link and you will see a reference > to Victoria Library no.: 494/14-47, if you want to see the original paper > copy. > > However, you are much better off viewing the microfilm of the original. > Click on the "Film Notes" button and you will find that there are actually > 20 microfilms for this parish. Scroll down to #1042313 and you will see that > it contains Baptisms 1863-1881; Marriages 1723-1754; Burials 1723-1754 . > > I recommend that you go to your nearest LDS Family History Centre and > view the microfilm record to find your ancestors. > > To answer some of the other questions asked: no, the LDS would > transcribe it exactly as it appeared, without abbreviations and without > expansion of abbreviations. Boyd's and Pallott's used abbreviations, but > they would only appear in the IGI if that is how they appeared in the > original. > > I hope that this is of use to some of you. If you want to know more > about the LDS and how items get onto the IGI, I am happy to oblige, if the > List Admin thinks it is appropriate. > > Good luck, > > Cathy Day > Canberra, Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jmdemontalk@xtra.co.nz> > To: <HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 8:49 AM > Subject: Re: Re: [HWE] Marriage of MARTIN and LEFORT > > > > Well, this is all adding to my knowledge!! I do know that the IGI isn't to > be relied on as gospel, but I'm in New Zealand, and the originals are not > online or available from the LDS!! I've only just got a credit card and I'm > thinking of having a researcher look for this family, as I suspect most of > their records are at the LMA. > > > > I did a Google search and there seems to be a St James Church Westminster > (or Piccadilly). Perhaps this is the church where the marriage actually took > place. But why did Boyd add his embellishments to his entry? > > > > I do know the couple were married as I have their names from the baptism > of their child, at St Mary Lambeth. I have an address for Gilbert Lefort > from his son's will in 1779 as "Cupers Bridge", which is near Upper Ground > St where the Leforts were barge builders for over 100 years.However, as Tony > says, they haven't always attended their local church and for marriages in > particular the family seems to have crossed the Blackfriars Bridge to London > churches. > > > > Boyd used abbreviations for first names in his list, but the IGI has the > full names. Would they have "extended" the names when they copied them? The > 1709 marriage is for an Alexander Le Fort and Mary Watson. Th > > > > Tony, is Elizabeth's baptism a Huguenot one? I know the "Martin" surname > was significant to the family as it was used as a second name for many of > the descendants for at least two or three generations. > > > > Anyway I do appreciate all the help and suggestions. > > > > Regards, > > Jeanette. > > > > > > From: "fuller.tony" <fuller.tony@wanadoo.fr> > > > Date: 2005/11/05 Sat AM 03:30:41 GMT+13:00 > > > To: <HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com>, > > > "J.M. de Montalk" <jmdemontalk@xtra.co.nz> > > > Subject: Re: [HWE] Marriage of MARTIN and LEFORT > > > > > > Hi Jeanette > > > > > > Oh dear, seems to be one of those days. Quarto Series (QS) are the > Huguenot > > > Church registers which have been transcribed and then published by > members > > > of the Hug Soc of London/GB. The records for the Chapel Royal are in > volume > > > 28. > > > > > > There is no marriage of WATSON and LeFort in the register either. There > is > > > an Anne WATSON but she married a Huguenot cleric, nothing like Lefort > > > though. > > > > > > BUT there are several Anne Watson's married etc at St James', > Clerkenwell, > > > some miles away from the Huguenot Chapel but no Lefort though there are > some > > > Le Huguenot names, not a Lefort. > > > > > > The Anne WATSON that married the cleric came from the parish of St > George's > > > Hanover Square where many Huguenot families lived. > > > > > > Need to understand that the parishes of the Anglican Church were the > places > > > in which the families lived for taxation purposes, that sort of thing. > > > Huguenot/French churches of that time had no parishes and Huguenots and > > > their descendants went to whichever church appealed to them on grounds > of > > > geography, they liked the style of the Minister or Lecturer or they > > > preferred the Liturgy in French or English. > > > > > > Because somebody lives in a parish - St Anne's Soho, St George's Hanover > > > Square, St Leonard's Shoreditch - doesn't mean that they didn't worship > in - > > > say - Threadneedle Street, Chapel Royal or whatever else, that was > solely > > > their preference. > > > > > > Sorry, this is just going to cause more confusion. Baptism of Elizabeth > to > > > follow later. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Tony Fuller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== > > Have you submitted your surnames for our list web site? > > To do so will make your names accessible to others on the Web. > > For more info, contact Andrea (list admin)at andreav@island.net. > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > >

Hi Folks, Wait! There have been a lot of leaping to conclusions in this thread about the LDS process for putting names on the IGI. Please read this post and you will find your ancestors, Jeanette. If you want to find out about the source of any record that is on the IGI, you click on the "Source Call No" button . In this case, it is #1042313. When clicked, this will reveal that the source for the IGI entry was NOT Boyd's at all, but rather a microfilm of original records held at the Westminster City Library, of the St James Church of England Westminster 1685-1881. Click on the "Parish Registers" link and you will see a reference to Victoria Library no.: 494/14-47, if you want to see the original paper copy. However, you are much better off viewing the microfilm of the original. Click on the "Film Notes" button and you will find that there are actually 20 microfilms for this parish. Scroll down to #1042313 and you will see that it contains Baptisms 1863-1881; Marriages 1723-1754; Burials 1723-1754 . I recommend that you go to your nearest LDS Family History Centre and view the microfilm record to find your ancestors. To answer some of the other questions asked: no, the LDS would transcribe it exactly as it appeared, without abbreviations and without expansion of abbreviations. Boyd's and Pallott's used abbreviations, but they would only appear in the IGI if that is how they appeared in the original. I hope that this is of use to some of you. If you want to know more about the LDS and how items get onto the IGI, I am happy to oblige, if the List Admin thinks it is appropriate. Good luck, Cathy Day Canberra, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <jmdemontalk@xtra.co.nz> To: <HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 8:49 AM Subject: Re: Re: [HWE] Marriage of MARTIN and LEFORT > Well, this is all adding to my knowledge!! I do know that the IGI isn't to be relied on as gospel, but I'm in New Zealand, and the originals are not online or available from the LDS!! I've only just got a credit card and I'm thinking of having a researcher look for this family, as I suspect most of their records are at the LMA. > > I did a Google search and there seems to be a St James Church Westminster (or Piccadilly). Perhaps this is the church where the marriage actually took place. But why did Boyd add his embellishments to his entry? > > I do know the couple were married as I have their names from the baptism of their child, at St Mary Lambeth. I have an address for Gilbert Lefort from his son's will in 1779 as "Cupers Bridge", which is near Upper Ground St where the Leforts were barge builders for over 100 years.However, as Tony says, they haven't always attended their local church and for marriages in particular the family seems to have crossed the Blackfriars Bridge to London churches. > > Boyd used abbreviations for first names in his list, but the IGI has the full names. Would they have "extended" the names when they copied them? The 1709 marriage is for an Alexander Le Fort and Mary Watson. Th > > Tony, is Elizabeth's baptism a Huguenot one? I know the "Martin" surname was significant to the family as it was used as a second name for many of the descendants for at least two or three generations. > > Anyway I do appreciate all the help and suggestions. > > Regards, > Jeanette. > > > > From: "fuller.tony" <fuller.tony@wanadoo.fr> > > Date: 2005/11/05 Sat AM 03:30:41 GMT+13:00 > > To: <HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com>, > > "J.M. de Montalk" <jmdemontalk@xtra.co.nz> > > Subject: Re: [HWE] Marriage of MARTIN and LEFORT > > > > Hi Jeanette > > > > Oh dear, seems to be one of those days. Quarto Series (QS) are the Huguenot > > Church registers which have been transcribed and then published by members > > of the Hug Soc of London/GB. The records for the Chapel Royal are in volume > > 28. > > > > There is no marriage of WATSON and LeFort in the register either. There is > > an Anne WATSON but she married a Huguenot cleric, nothing like Lefort > > though. > > > > BUT there are several Anne Watson's married etc at St James', Clerkenwell, > > some miles away from the Huguenot Chapel but no Lefort though there are some > > Le Huguenot names, not a Lefort. > > > > The Anne WATSON that married the cleric came from the parish of St George's > > Hanover Square where many Huguenot families lived. > > > > Need to understand that the parishes of the Anglican Church were the places > > in which the families lived for taxation purposes, that sort of thing. > > Huguenot/French churches of that time had no parishes and Huguenots and > > their descendants went to whichever church appealed to them on grounds of > > geography, they liked the style of the Minister or Lecturer or they > > preferred the Liturgy in French or English. > > > > Because somebody lives in a parish - St Anne's Soho, St George's Hanover > > Square, St Leonard's Shoreditch - doesn't mean that they didn't worship in - > > say - Threadneedle Street, Chapel Royal or whatever else, that was solely > > their preference. > > > > Sorry, this is just going to cause more confusion. Baptism of Elizabeth to > > follow later. > > > > Regards > > > > Tony Fuller > > > > > > > > > ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== > Have you submitted your surnames for our list web site? > To do so will make your names accessible to others on the Web. > For more info, contact Andrea (list admin)at andreav@island.net. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > >

Well, this is all adding to my knowledge!! I do know that the IGI isn't to be relied on as gospel, but I'm in New Zealand, and the originals are not online or available from the LDS!! I've only just got a credit card and I'm thinking of having a researcher look for this family, as I suspect most of their records are at the LMA. I did a Google search and there seems to be a St James Church Westminster (or Piccadilly). Perhaps this is the church where the marriage actually took place. But why did Boyd add his embellishments to his entry? I do know the couple were married as I have their names from the baptism of their child, at St Mary Lambeth. I have an address for Gilbert Lefort from his son's will in 1779 as "Cupers Bridge", which is near Upper Ground St where the Leforts were barge builders for over 100 years.However, as Tony says, they haven't always attended their local church and for marriages in particular the family seems to have crossed the Blackfriars Bridge to London churches. Boyd used abbreviations for first names in his list, but the IGI has the full names. Would they have "extended" the names when they copied them? The 1709 marriage is for an Alexander Le Fort and Mary Watson. Th Tony, is Elizabeth's baptism a Huguenot one? I know the "Martin" surname was significant to the family as it was used as a second name for many of the descendants for at least two or three generations. Anyway I do appreciate all the help and suggestions. Regards, Jeanette. > > From: "fuller.tony" <fuller.tony@wanadoo.fr> > Date: 2005/11/05 Sat AM 03:30:41 GMT+13:00 > To: <HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com>, > "J.M. de Montalk" <jmdemontalk@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: Re: [HWE] Marriage of MARTIN and LEFORT > > Hi Jeanette > > Oh dear, seems to be one of those days. Quarto Series (QS) are the Huguenot > Church registers which have been transcribed and then published by members > of the Hug Soc of London/GB. The records for the Chapel Royal are in volume > 28. > > There is no marriage of WATSON and LeFort in the register either. There is > an Anne WATSON but she married a Huguenot cleric, nothing like Lefort > though. > > BUT there are several Anne Watson's married etc at St James', Clerkenwell, > some miles away from the Huguenot Chapel but no Lefort though there are some > Le Huguenot names, not a Lefort. > > The Anne WATSON that married the cleric came from the parish of St George's > Hanover Square where many Huguenot families lived. > > Need to understand that the parishes of the Anglican Church were the places > in which the families lived for taxation purposes, that sort of thing. > Huguenot/French churches of that time had no parishes and Huguenots and > their descendants went to whichever church appealed to them on grounds of > geography, they liked the style of the Minister or Lecturer or they > preferred the Liturgy in French or English. > > Because somebody lives in a parish - St Anne's Soho, St George's Hanover > Square, St Leonard's Shoreditch - doesn't mean that they didn't worship in - > say - Threadneedle Street, Chapel Royal or whatever else, that was solely > their preference. > > Sorry, this is just going to cause more confusion. Baptism of Elizabeth to > follow later. > > Regards > > Tony Fuller > > >

Hi folks Thank goodness for that, thought that the wine was effecting me and that I couldn't see the entries in the Chapel Royal records for looking at them. The good thing from all this is that the extract that Jeanette found in Boyd, which purports to be a Huguenot Church is incorrect and that it's the other St James' Church that she needs to look at so at least she gets pointed in the right direction. Again though, that doesn't detract from her family being Huguenot as this is another of my quasi-Huguenot congregations on the edge of the Soho/Westminster area, like St Anne's or St Martins. Regards Tony Fuller

Besides the IGI, the LDS Church has used extracted records for the different volumes of the Vital Records Indices. The christening records for the Walloon Church in Groningen are found on the "Vital Records Index for Western Europe". Here is another example of how the extraction program can be used as a tool to further own genealogical research. Last fall I had an interesting experience as I was trying to find out about my Walloon "grandmother", Louisa Susanna MEIJNET. I knew she was born in 1733 in Groningen but had not found too much information on her. I was intimated by the Walloon records as well as the script. One day I stumbled on another female with the MEIJNET surname while using the western European records in the collection. This was the spelling of the name as I expected to see it. When I finally was smart enough to click on the number for the microfilm, it proved to be a good choice because I discovered it was a microfilm from the Walloon Church in Groningen (also referred to as Waals Hervormde). I knew that my own Louisa Susanna MEIJNET had to be there but she wasn't showing up. Finally I realized that the old Dutch writing had the two letters "IJ" sometimes written as a "Y". I put an asterisk where the "IJ" had been and looked up only the surname of ME*NET. Suddenly a new door opened in my research -- all because of the extraction program of the LDS Church! A few spelling variations had kept me from finding my 6th great-grandmother until I put in the asterisk to act as a "wildcard" symbol. Her name was recorded as "Louise Susanne MEYNET" and she was indeed born in 1733. Her parents were Louis Samuel MEYNET and his wife, Jeanne CREMER. She also had several other sisters and a brother. For some reason the two spellings of MEYNET and MEIJNET were not compatible in the "soundex" system for the vital records index for Western Europe.That's why I had had so much trouble finding her. My next step was to use the microfilm numbers provided in the Vital Records Index and order the church records for the "Waals Hervormde". I used the library catalog on www.FamilySearch.org to find additional records too. Within a few weeks the microfilms arrived at our local Family History Center and I was thrilled to see the original christening records for all of the MEIJNET (MEYNET) children. It was another time I had to "think outside the family history box" in order to have success. If you haven't had the chance to look at a copy of the "Vital Records Index for Western Europe", you may be able to see one at your local Family History Center. It may also be ordered for personal use at www.familysearch.org. This compilation does not contact Great Britain nor the Scandinavian countries because there are separate indices for them which are also available through FHCs and for purchase by individuals. Perhaps some of you have used one of these indices. If so, what has been your experience in finding Huguenot or Walloon ancestors on them? I expect that all of the indices have entries for Huguenot and Walloon families. Best wishes, Mary Scott Novi, Michigan --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

Hello to everyone! Read (with interest!) Cathy Day's posting concerning the IGI and the extraction program. Thought I would add my two cents to the conversation in case it might help someone else. While I don't know very much about researching Huguenot ancestry, I am definitely learning a great deal from all of you. However, I have used the IGI for nearly 25 years and so it isn't quite as "mysterious" as my elusive Huguenot ancestors.. While the IGI may contain various errors, it is usually not the extracted records which cause the most challenge. During the extraction process, as it has been explained to me, two different individuals "read" the microfilms of the actual records and enter the information into a computer. The computer then "checks" the two sets of entries and if there are any questions the supervisor of the extraction program will go to the actual entry again to check it over. Each one of us benefit from the extraction program. In fact, our genealogical pursuits would be less successful without the extraction program. Yes, there are errors in the IGI but most of the time they occur from someone who is a "regular patron" and not someone working in the extraction program. One way you can tell whether the IGI entry is from an extraction is through the batch numbers at the bottom of an entry. For instance, many of these batch numbers will start with a letter "C" "J" and "K" (which are christening records) and "M" (which are marriage records). Deceased members of the LDS Church will have the letter "H" in the batch number because those records come from the actual membership records for the particular individual. Here is an internet site that explains batch numbers if you want to learn more. It was shared today on another mailing list which I use here on rootsweb (so apparently the HWE mailing list is not the only one interested in this topic). http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm Extractions cause some wonderful situations to arise and can provide the very clues we need to further the work. Many Huguenot and Walloon records have been extracted and their basic information is now on the International Genealogical Index (also known as IGI) at www.FamilySearch.org. One example -- some years ago I had looked for records for my 5th great-grandparents. I searched for a marriage and christening record for the wife in the city of Groningen, Netherlands. I had found the christening record for the husband in Groningen but not the wife. The next issue of the IGI came out (back when it was released on cd-roms) and the marriage record for the couple had been extracted in the city of Leeuwarden, Netherlands. Taking a chance I ordered the microfilm for the christening records for Leeuwarden (which were not extracted) and discovered not only my 5th great-grandmother but four other siblings. I also learned her parents names. I would have been lost without the extraction for their marriage record showing up on the IGI when it did. Sometimes I have felt rather alone in my pursuit of the elusive ancestor but the extraction program is such a big help. I reaped the benefits because I was able to find the christening records for the entire family. This is just one example of a dozen I could share on how extractions on the IGI can be a great blessing to us who are looking for our ancestors. So if you find out that your Huguenot ancestor has been entered onto the IGI as an extracted record, give a cheer and then order the microfilm for yourself! Or have another family member look up the particular entries of interest. The IGI is a research tool and leads to more research opportunities. Best wishes to all! Mary Scott Novi, Michigan --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

Finally I can say that I'm truly entitled to be on this list!! I've just subscribed to British origins and on Boyds Marriage Index I've found the marriage of my 6xgt.grandparents, Gilbert Lefort and Elizabeth Martin, in 1742. I already had this from the IGI, but what Boyd's provides that the IGI doesn't is the extra note for the location of the marriage - WESTMINSTER (CHAPEL ROYAL, ST JAMES'S PALACE, HUGUENOT) !! I know that it was usual for the marriage to take place in the bride's parish, and that Martin and Lefort can both be French names, but now I know that at least one of the pair was a Huguenot. If anyone can add any information about the Chapel Royal, St James Palace, or whether there are any records for it available, I'd be very grateful. Jeanette.

Hi Jeanette Oh dear, seems to be one of those days. Quarto Series (QS) are the Huguenot Church registers which have been transcribed and then published by members of the Hug Soc of London/GB. The records for the Chapel Royal are in volume 28. There is no marriage of WATSON and LeFort in the register either. There is an Anne WATSON but she married a Huguenot cleric, nothing like Lefort though. BUT there are several Anne Watson's married etc at St James', Clerkenwell, some miles away from the Huguenot Chapel but no Lefort though there are some Le Huguenot names, not a Lefort. The Anne WATSON that married the cleric came from the parish of St George's Hanover Square where many Huguenot families lived. Need to understand that the parishes of the Anglican Church were the places in which the families lived for taxation purposes, that sort of thing. Huguenot/French churches of that time had no parishes and Huguenots and their descendants went to whichever church appealed to them on grounds of geography, they liked the style of the Minister or Lecturer or they preferred the Liturgy in French or English. Because somebody lives in a parish - St Anne's Soho, St George's Hanover Square, St Leonard's Shoreditch - doesn't mean that they didn't worship in - say - Threadneedle Street, Chapel Royal or whatever else, that was solely their preference. Sorry, this is just going to cause more confusion. Baptism of Elizabeth to follow later. Regards Tony Fuller

Many people submit information to the LDS website. Some of the data has been microfilmed from original records. Like all records, including the orignals, people make mistakes they transpose dates, can't read the text, or simply make a guess, especially in the case of difficult spelling of names. Add to this the foriegn names and records in Latin, French, or old English makes for the possibility of mistakes. I have been handed information on my family. I went to the original records to find all kind of mistakes. I do not believe the LDS IGI intended use is for the data to be used as a source. Rather, it should be used as a starting point that should always be verified. The same could be said for Ancestry, Roots Web and other genealogy web sites. Today, researching family history is the number one hobby, Unfortunately, the more people researching could mean the mistakes will be multiplied. The best piece of advice I can give is verify all data against the orignal sources. Be patient with others trying to find their connections. Write down your sources. Do not expect perfection; just try to make your records as accurate as possible. Phyl l

Hi Jeanette This is very bizarre - I've looked at the records of the Chapel Royal, St James' for the whole of the period 1700-1756 and the marriage doesn't appear in those records at all. There is only one person called MARTIN in the records and that is a Jean MARTIN, brewer and there are no LEFORT names nor anything like it in the records. Boyd's marriage register isn't foolproof I'm afraid and if the LDS have pulled their usual trick and just copied everything from Boyd across to Family Search, they would just be compounding the error. Elizabeth Martin, right period and the like does appear several times in the other QS registers though and I think that I've found her baptism. Sorry! Tony Fuller

Hello Listers and Listerettes, I too am following this thread with a degree head nodding. As all that Fuller the Younger is offering is reminding me of a chase for two ancestors. One being my Great Grandfather! (recent history) He said one thing, while primary records told a different story. After many years, and much expense, it turned out that old Grandfather was right. The records were "wrong" all due to a transcriber in a government records office. <snip> > Because somebody lives in a parish - St Anne's Soho, St George's Hanover > Square, St Leonard's Shoreditch - doesn't mean that they didn't worship in - > say - Threadneedle Street, Chapel Royal or whatever else, that was solely > their preference. The second ancestor is actually among the people that Tony talks about here. Again, it turned out that while they worshipped in one church, and so some Huguenot records offer that he was from Soho, the family actually lived miles away and would travel past another Huguenot church to worship with their immigrant friends at the other. A further example of errors in primary records is indeed due to transcriber error of language. The official was a master of his own tongue and had a smattering of French due to his customs official employment. The ancestor spoke French (obviously) but little English. In his pronunciation of his own name (the ancestor), the official "heard" something quite different and so down on record, on what would become 500 years later a primary record, was a name that to look at is not even close to the actual family name. But if one pronounces it in French then it does "sound" the same to an English as a first language person. I add this comment as it may assist others when researching their ancestry. Kind Regards, Peter Leroy

Hi Jeanette All the records for the Chapel Royal have been available for many years from the Hug Soc of GB - it's where the LDS lifted the information from. They are now available on the Society's CDRom 7 which lists all the Huguenot Churches in London with the exception of St Jean and La Patente Spitalfields and Threadneedle Street. Regards Tony Fuller

Patti, Subject: Looking for Info. re Clinch family of Hackney Just to add to the recommendations to use the Family Records Centre and the London Metropolitan Archive- if you are in that part of London don't forget the Society of Genealogists (their website at www.sog.org.uk has a link to their catalogue and details of the other facilities they offer, opening hours etc). Unlike the public archives you do have to pay to use SoG (either a day ticket or annual membership) but this can be offset for instance against free access to all of the censuses from 1861 to 1901 on ancestry.com- useful if you are researching the nineteenth century and aren't sure exactly where people lived, what family relationships were etc. It is much quicker than using the census records on film at FRC, and the PCs are bookable whereas at FRC it's strictly first come first served. (You will have to pay for each printout you make though). The Guildhall library and the Bishopsgate Institute also have Huguenot and local history materials and are free access public libraries- Guildhall and SoG both have all of the Huguenot Society quarto series I think. Kind regards Sara

Ah hah! It is good to see that folks are discovering wiki. An amazing resource for information with a good deal of historical information on the Huguenot times and some of the many characters who lived through those times Kind Regards, Peter Leroy

Hi folks Locally in this instance means the LMA which is the designated archive for the 33 Greater London boroughs. Regards Tony Fuller

Hi Marc Yes I did, that'll teach me not to type addresses before I have a cup of tea in the morning. Tony

I must apologize - Tony, you're right, the registry records only started being kept by registrars' offices in 1837. Church of England parish records are kept locally but for other denominations, one would need to get the info at the Family Records Centre in Islington, or in writing to the National Archives at Kew, where for a fee, they will do the research for you. --- "fuller.tony" <fuller.tony@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > Hi Marc > > Yes I did, that'll teach me not to type addresses > before I have a cup of tea > in the morning. > > Tony > > > > ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== > HWE list has two archives you can search. > Access both archives through the list website at: > http://www.island.net/~andreav/archives.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million > records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the > world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hello to all -- Does everyone know about Wikipedia "the free encyclopedia"? There's a lot of info there regarding Huguenots. For example, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huguenots. To find further info on the same site, type the word Huguenot in the search field on the left side of the webpage. Also, if you scroll down to just below the search feature, you will see that you can read Wikipedia in your choice of more than a dozen different languages. I also did a search for Walloon info then had a quick look at it but it seems to be mostly, if not entirely, about Walloons in present-day Belgium, not the Walloons of historical context that we are interested in on this list. But if anyone finds some relevent Walloon info there, please post the webpage URL to the list. Another other interesting thing about Wikipedia is that it describes itself on its home page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page as an encyclopedia "that anyone can edit". By this, they state that it is "written collaboratively by many of its readers. Lots of people are constantly improving Wikipedia, making thousands of changes an hour...." I'm not sure how this works and with what success but I can think of several of our very knowledgeable and helpful HWE listers who may be interested in participating in this feature! (I'll leave you to guess who they may be <g>.) Now I know this doesn't apply at all to any potential editors on HWE but you may be interested to read the cautionary pages which are an attempt to weed out undesirable material being edited into Wikipedia. For example, there is the webpage headed "Patent nonsense" here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Patent_nonsense with links at bottom of page to Nonsense -- by which I guess they mean just regular, ordinary, everyday nonsense, as opposed to patent nonsense <g> -- as well as to Gobbledygook and Gibberish Then there is the page headed Vandalism here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism with discussion of what is meant by editorial vandalism, including various categories such as childish, silly, sneaky and attention-seeking among other types. Hope some of you have found this interesting. Any further comments about content found on Wikipedia are welcome on this list but I caution that they must relate to the topic of HWE. Regards, Andrea (list concierge)

Hi Patti Whilst the link posted by Melissa is correct for registering modern BMDs, local authorities like Hackney do NOT hold records which can be searched by the public. Those records are held at the ONS' Family Records Centre (FRC) in Islington, North London where they can be searched and they are available online at www.1837.com Additionally civil registration in the UK only started in 1837 and the records at the FRC only start then. Prior to that date the records are in the local parish records which by law, now have to be stored in the County Archive. For Hackney they would be in the London Metropolitan Archives, also in Islington close to the FRC. The Hackney link is wholly misleading for family researchers. Hackney local archive, which I think is in Dalston MAY have some of the records but the two places above (FRC and LMA) most definitely do. Regards Tony Fuller