As a small refinement on your very detailed information - The surname Hauri is from the Alemannic dialect of German (the dialect spoken in the southwestern part of Germany - Swabia - of which German Switzerland was a part), according Dr. J. J. Siegrist at the Staatsarchiv des Kantons Aargau. In Alemannic, the verb "hauren" means to speak loudly. The noun form, hauri, could be applied to a person who was loud, high-spirited, or a boaster. I asked Dr. Siegrist in one letter about other theories, including (a) that the name became attached as a surname to the town crier, (b) that the name became attached as a surname to the speaker or judge of a local court, and (c) that the name might be derived from hug+hart (see Fred's message below). Dr. Siegrist characterized these various theories as "nonsense." I asked one of my correspondents in Switzerland whether the name Hauri might actually be derived from the village of Hoeri, north of Zurich. The answer was that it is not possible on linguistic grounds. I'm totally clueless when it comes to understanding arguments about which sounds can change over the centuries into which other sounds, so I can't even guess why Hoeri could not change into Hauri. The earliest (possible) use of the surname (or a similar surname) was by "Chuondradus dictus Hoerinus" [Conrad called Hauri, or perhaps Conrad called Horn], a knight living at the Lazarite Commandery of Gfenn near Bern, named in a charter dated 13 April 1272. I question this information because the copy of the charter that I have does not have the extra "I" in his name (it's Hoernus not Hoerinus), so I think it would be more likely that it was the Latin form of Horn rather than the Latin form of Hauri. The next mention of the name is 10 years later in a charter dated 8 February 1282 at Steffisburg in Bern. This charter mentions "Chuondradus dictus Hovri" [Conrad called Hauri], a peasant who is mentioned again in 1308. There are scattered references to various Hauris in the Interlaken region of Bern (including Steffisburg) until 1336. These people might or might not have been related to one another. Also a 1299 reference to a Metzger Hauri, of Freiburg, who was killed during a war with his village and the Bishop of Strasburg. I haven't been able to identify this particular Freiburg (it's a common place name). I am not familiar with the theory that the surname originated in St. Gall. According to the Staatsarchivs des Kantons Bern and des Kantons Aargau, the family originated in Beromuenster and spread from there to the rest of German-speaking Switzerland. This statement might be a bit on the dogmatic side -- it looks to me like the Ulrich Hauri who lived at Beromuenter before 1313 (when his widow Rechenza had a grant from the church there) really came from the Interlaken region of Bern. Because the lords of Steffisburg (where several Hauris were mentioned during the preceding 30 years) were patrons of the church at Beromuenster and sent their younger sons to be Canons there, I think it is likely that Ulrich Hauri accompanied one of the von Steffisburg family to Beromuenster and settled there. From this time on, and particularly from the 1400s on, there are an increasing number of references to Hauris throughout German-speaking Switzerland and southern Germany. On a related topic, the -in ending was a common feminine form of most surnames throughout at least southern Germany, Switzerland, and Pennsylvania in the 18th century. I can't speak for earlier or later practices, or for northern Germany. A relevant example: A "Nani Haurin" [who must have been baptized "Anna Hauri" - Nani was a common nickname for Anna, Haurin was the feminine form of Hauri] married Valentin Heiser in 1747 at the Lutheran Church in Trappe, Montgomery Co, Pennsylvania (apparently as his second wife, since she was godmother to his daughter Maria Heiser four years earlier). It would be interesting to find out what relation she was to Hans, Ulrich, and Jacob! Justin C.S. Howery Denver, Colorado jhowery@tde.com http://www.members.tde.com/jhowery -----Original Message----- From: fredhaury@juno.com [mailto:fredhaury@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 2:17 PM To: HOWERY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HOWERY-L] HAU-ANC.TXT file. File: HAU-NAM-.TXT fredhaury@juno.com Notes on HAURY surnames. FYI, If I sent this eariler, forgive me. Parts of it may also appear in my "HIST-_" files that were posted. fredhaury@juno.com ---- File: HAU-ANC.TXT HAURY ANCESTOR SURNAMES The `en' ending of names was often changed to y, a, e, o, i, er and/or ing. An `n' at the end of a name may indicate plural case, i.e. HAURIN = plural of HAURI. HAURI variations: HAURIE, HAURY, HAURIN, HAURING, HAUREN, HAURA, HAURE, HAUREY, HAUREZ, HAURO, HAUER, HOURI, HOWERY, HOWRY, HAURRIS, HARRIS, HARRY. --- In 1963 Gottfried HOLZ of Zurich, Switzerland wrote to Emil HAURY of Tucson, AZ: "The HAURY with `y' originated in Kanton St. Gallen in NW Switzerland. The Germany HAURYs seem to have come from there, a rough mountainous country, often in the past suffered from economic crises." --- Ref. Hans Bahlow "Deutsches Namenleixkon" at University of New Mexico library, CS2545 B35, lists the following names 1. HAURY, HAURI (n) nur in der Schweiz,=))Schreier(( (zu alem. hauren); vgl. Brumsy ))Brummer(( (zu brumsen). 2. Schreier s. Schrei: Vgl. Schreijagg-hans, -vogel. Auch Schreiert. 3. Brummer (Hbg. oft, Meckl.): ndd.=)) Dnurrer, Schreier ((, auch Brumm (e). Joh. Brummere 1339 Lub. Vgl Bummegrelle 1369 Brschwg., grelle = ))Speiss(( wie in Schleppergrelle. Ein Brummelbar 1366 Grfsw. Zu Brummel vgl. aber brum = brom = bram )) Moor (( in den ON. Brummel (Westf: Brmlo) u. Brumsel/Ems (Brum-seli) wie Bramsel (Bram-seli 890)! --- 4. Brumsi (alem.) mebst Brumser: ))Brummkopf(( (Brech S. 231, Nied 5.58, Tobler S 119). Gselb. Brumebere, Ritter 1250 Rudesh.; H. Brumsi 1253 Schaffh.; Heinr. Brumsi (Brumser) 1421/32 Villingen. Michel Brumser 1378 Frkf. ---Ref./ "My American Ancestors & Their Descendents" by Edward Bowman ESPENSHADE, privately printed 1950, 690 pages. Sec. 1, Chap IX. "The HAURIs came from Switz. The name is of Germanic origin. Die Deutschen Families Namen defines the name as `ein uber lauter Mensch (sudd),' translated as 'one ever loud man or personage'or `a high 1-Spirited person.' The "America Germanica" V. 4, 1902, published an article written by Dr. Oscar Kuhns, studies in "German Family Names", p. 305,explains that the name HAURI is from two stems, - (HUG + HART) that the stem HUG means mink, spirit; Dr. Kuhns neglects to define the stem HART which may be defined as hard, sharp, or severe, thus a sharp minded or high spirited person is derived. Following the usual anglicizing of HAURI, `au' becomes `ow' or `ou', and `ri' becomes `ry', we have the anglicized form HOWRY. This form of spelling is the most prevalent today and is the form used in this book except for the first and second generations which are called HAURI. The early assessment lists have spelled the name HAURE, HAURICH, HAURY, HOWERY, while the first US census (1790) lists them a HOUREY. The records of the Lancaster Court House are indexed as Howry."/--- --- Ref. "Deutsche Namenkunde" by Max Gottschald, UNM Library CS2545 G6. HAURI: 1. Schwiz.,, Uhu". 2,, uberlauter mensch Schweiz = Swiss. Uhu = Eagle-owl. uberlaut = overloud, too noisy. Mensch = human being, man, person, fellow, people. --- --- Ref. Shirley J HULETT: HAURY is originally a Swiss name which means "town crier". See previous paragraph: overloud person? --- Ref. Roger HAURY, Rueil Malmaison, France. "The name HAURY is a very old name from Gascon (Region of South-west France) which was spelled `HAURE' and means Blacksmith. --- rogerhaury@msn.com --- Ref. Pierre - Paul HAURY, Paris, France. The origin of the name is `HAURE' & means `Forge' in the old dialect of SW France (Gascon) and HAURY means Blacksmith. --- --- From: "Roger HAURY" <rogerhaury@wanadoo.fr> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 98 Subject: Genealogie. Friday 27 February 1998 About your E .mail dated 26 February 1998. 1.Haurin is not the plural of Hauri but that is the Surname giving to the Haury or Hauri women in Alsace or Allemagne since the origin at 1792. After this date the same surname was gave to the men and the women. 2. In France, Suisse and Deutschland, I never find the various Hauru, Haura, Haurez, Hauro, Haurris, Haurris, Harris, Harry, Hauring. 3. Haurie is not a various of Hauri or Haury. We find this spelling only in the south/west of France near the Spain, that is this surname that mean forge in french. 4. Hauer is a German surname, no link with Hauri. 5. Howery and Howry are the English spelling of Haury because the W and the U in Suisse and also in Germany have the same pronunciation. In France we say HORI because AU is pronounced O. 6. Hauri is the spelling of the origin of our name in Suisse since 1300 and that is also the origin of the all Haury in the world, except the Haury from Charente in France who are spelled Horry or Hory before the 18th century. No link with our family. 7. I also find the Ory surname in Alsace but I never find a link with our name since the 16th century. I also find an other Haury family from the west of France for who the name was spelled Ory in 18th century and Oury before in 17th century. 8. I send with this mail a pedigree chart from Haury Peter born in Berg/Alsace the :3 October 1846, his ancestor was Hauri johannes born in about 1640 to Hirschtal (5042,Suisse, Canton de Bern), wife unknown at this time. He emigrated in about 1670 to Alsace . He was from the reformer religion. That will be fine of you if you send me the descendant chart of Haury peter and also from his two sisters if they also emigrated. 9. PS : I did not find the E.Mail of Shirley Hulett. -- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]