FYI, This is File: HIST-D.TXT Notes from HAURY family research. This is one of 4 ea HIST-n.TXT files posted: HIST-A.TXT, HIST-B.TXT, HIST-C.TXT & HIST-D.TXT (in case anyone saves posts). fredhaury@juno.com --- /COPY/ LETTER: MAX CHRISTOPH NAUMANN GENEALOGE CH-8559 FRUTHWILEN MANZENWEG 161 TELEFON 072-642522 FRUTHWILEN 25-4-1988 Dear Mister HAURY, Last autumn I received your 4Sep1987 letter. I studied documents in different archives according to the "Mennonite-lists of the Palatine in the 18th century" edited by G. Waldner and Professor Guth. Now last week I traveled to Hamm & Ibersheim. Hamm is where Jacob HAURY, your ancestor 32, came from. Ibersheim or "Hof Ibersheim is the neighbo-village of Hamm & was a pure Mennonite settlement, when all the Swiss exhalants arrived - similar to Weyerhof & Bolanden. In Ibersheim I met Pfarrer Habegger of the Mennonite community. He is Swiss citizen, & immigrated in one of the last 20 years, during our century. He is not from the Aargau, but his nationality shows that there still is contact to the Swiss Mennonites. Pfarrer Habegger tried to help me, but knew nothing about the time before 1743 (when Jacob HAURY must have lived in Hamm.) The facts are: Local protestant church- records of Hamm, where the Hof Iberheim belonged to, Mennonites are bearly not mentioned. Mennonites themselves wrote nothing in registers. They had none by reasons of fear. They did not want to be registered by other people. What we know is only the following matter: 1.) In the 17th century about 100 Mennonites belonged to the community center in Ibersheim. But only 2- or 3- families lived in Hamm. 2.) The first Mennonites in Ibersheim arrived from Switzerland in the year 1661. 3.) We know the names of the first 10 settlers, which are published by Walter Ellenberger in the book "325 Jahre Mennonitengemeinde Ibersheim". 22 years later in 1683 we find a new list of the 12 "Bestaender" (farmer). Between them is no HAURY but Hans Jacob Fuhry. I studied the names registers of Switzerland (6 volumes with the names of all citizens since the 17th century) & found, that the name Fuhry is completely unknown in Switzerland. So I hoped "Fuhry" would be one of the many mistakes of the Heidelberg administrators, when they tried to write "HAURY". But now I suppose, that FUHRY still a mistake means "Forrer". A family "Forrer" from Switzerland belonged to the farmers in Ibersheim, & there was a Hans Jacob Forrer in all other lists before & after 1683. So we must return to the 18th century as the oldest time when HAURY appeared in documents in the Palatine (Burchhausen, Bolenden or Hamm). Result: The HAURY family did not belong to the first Mennonite settlers of 1661 or 1683. They arrived between 1685 & 1724. We do not yet know, when in the 40 years. After the visit to Ibersheim I went to Hamm itself, where the protestant Pastor Hofmann tried to help us. He loaned me the "Chronicle of Hamm" & gave me as a present the book by A. Trieb: "Ibersheim am Rhein, Geschichte des Ortes:. I studied them both, but no HAURY appeared. That means, that until this moment there are only two fountains, of which I know, that they exist, but did not read yet. One is the Ortsarchiv of Hamm. It is contained in 20 large chests, stored in the Rathaus of Worms. Until the documents are unclassified, it is of no use to go there. The other book in the parsonage of Hamm, badly written, which is more or less a chronicle of all remarkable events like war & hail recorded by the pastor between community problems & the birth of illegitimate children. It is a task of several days, to study it. There could be something about Mennonites, but I am not sure. Before we can get notice of the Ortsarchive & the book, let us repeat, what the Mennonite Registers of Guth & Waldner tell us: We must begin with Hamm, mentioned in Bolanden in connection with the marriage of Christine Schmidt/Stauffer & your ancestor 32. Jakob Hauri died 1789 with 71 years & was born around 1718. He was ca 25, when he married, & he probably arrived in Bolanden few years before. About the place where he came from we learn by Mennonite lists 1737 Mennonites in Hamm: Johannes Frick, Heinrich Rohers widow, Jackob Haney (must be HAURY). 1738: Johannes Frick, wife, 3 children, 2 employed men. Heinrich Rohers widow, 2 children. Jakob Rohrer, wife, no children. Jakob HAURY, wife, 4 children. 1743: Heinrich Rohrers widow, 2 children. Johannes Rohrer, wife, 2 children. Johannes Fricks widow, 1 child. NO HAURY !! It is clear, that the names of 1737 meaned households. But the composition of the HAURY family can be seen only in the year 1738. - 1743 they all had gone. If they all had died by a pest, the pastor would have noted. So I think, that they moved, but where to? Consider the parents & 4-children. I mean Jacob, the father in Hamm 1737 & 1738 only can be the father of Jacob (No 32) in Bolanden. We may ask, whether No 32 is one of the 4-children. The word "Child" means only the relation- ship to the parents, it declares nothing about age. Even adult children still figure as children. When No 32 was born 1718, then he had 20 years of age in the record of 1738. It is known, that the commissions, who count the Mennonites sometimes needed 2-years until they returned to Heidelberg & wrote the records. Then Jakob, the son probably stood with his parents & brethren until he was 18. I imagine he belonged to the four in 1736/1738/1738, & he then probably did not take part, when his parents moved with the younger kids. But Jakob the son went his own way - probably towards Bolanden. Nothing is told about Jakob's the sons parents & brethren after 1738 with one exception: His brother Melchior dies in Bruchhausen & Jakob inherited his money the 15-10-1759. Probably the death of Melchior many years before 1759. Mennonite records at the only other HAURY site begin earlier than those of Hamm: Burchhausen 1724: Fwllmann & Hackmann, 2 wealthy farmer families. Bachmann, the weaver, no wealth. Jakob Schneyder (74 years) no wealth. Hans Haurich (HAURY?) dayworker, no wealth. 1738: Melchior HAURY, the older & wife. Melchior HAURY, the younger & wife. 1743: Melchior HAURY, with wife & daughter. 1751: Melchior HAURY's widow marries Johannes Graf. 1.) Hans is not wealthy. Because he arrived from Switzerland without his fortune?? Or because he is an old man & had no opportunity to take his own farm?? What we can imagine is: he did not belong to the generations of the brothers Jakob & Melchior, because in the year 1724 Jakob was only six. He probably was not so old like Jakob Schneyder, whose age 74 is expressively mentioned. I think that he belonged to the generation of Jakob's & Melchior's father. Jakob's father (No 64) married before 1718 & may have been born around 1690. This generation was about 35 in the year 1724. I must permite, that Hans even, if he was the father of No 64, had no such remarkable age, that the record of 1724 must mention it. Let us forget Hans, until we know more about him. 2.) The two Melchiors. The distinction "Older" & "Younger" can be used for father & son, but also for two cousins. That means the difference of age can be 25 years or more or only some weeks. In Bruchhausen we only can guess. For example, that the younger couple, which had no children in 1738 5-years later in 1843 had a daughter. They probably in 1738 just married. And it would be very practicable, if the older Melchiors were so old, that they died. But we must be careful with the age of the older one. He surely is not the father of the younger, because one of the Melchiors must be a son of Jacob (No 64) in Hamm. The older Melchior is a cousin or unkle of the younger Milchior. But what ever happened to one of the couples, since 1743 there is no choice anymore. It would be easy to suppose, that Melchior the younger was a brother of Jakob in Bolanden, that his wife & daughter died before he died, & that he left fortune to his brother. But all theories are nonsense, because Melchior's wife did not die. He died, & his widow married in the year 1751. That means, that the dead husband of the widow died 8 years before Jakob in Bolanden inherited, & that Jakob got the money instead of the widow. Impossible! Of course it is possible, that the other Melchior returned to Bruchhausen, lost his wife & then died himself. But we better end speculations until we know more. I am a little disappointed, that my search had no more results. It is difficult to decide, what to do next. My idea is to end our hitherto system, & you pay a fee & I run around until the money is spent. It will be better, that I try to find a new solution, & inform you & ask for a new fee. The solution does not depend only on good will. The ways are: 1.) Archive in Worms. I have no influence there. 2.) Chronicle in Hamm, maybe of use. 3.) Church records of Rohrbach near Heidelberg, probably enclose documents about Bruchhausen. 4.) Records in Schoftland/Hirschtal. In Schoftland I have another task, which obliges me to read the registers of 100 years line for line & page for page. Any little notice about Mennonites could not escape me. And after Schoftland I still can return to the Palatine. If ever I have the impression, that I can start again on the HAURY trail, I shall inform you at once. Sincerely yours signed:/Max Naumann/. -SUMMARY OF MAX NAUMANN LETTER- 1661 first 10-settler Mennonite families in Ibersheim from Switzerland. Re:"325 Jahre Mennoninten-gemeinde Ibersheim" by Walter Ellenberger. 1683 a new list of 12 Bestaender (farmer), but no HAURY listed. The first HAURY family listed arrived between 1685 & 1724. Protestant Pastor Hofmann of Hamm had book "Chronicle of Hamm" or "Ibersheim am Rhein, Geschichte des Ortes" by A. Trieb. contained no HAURY names. 20 large chests stored in the Rathaus of Worms contain the "Ortsarchiv of Hamm" & are classified & not available for reference as of Apr1988. The parsonage of Hamm contains a badly written chronicle of remarkable events like war & hail recorded by the pastor between community problems & the birth of illegitimate children. A task of several days study. It may contain some Mennonite entries. 17th Century about 100 Mennonite families in Ibersheim & 2 or 3 families in Hamm. "The Mennonite-lists of the Palatine in the 18th Century" edited by G. Waldner & Professor Guth. 1737 Mennonites in Hamm included Jacob Hanay (HAURY?) 1738 Mennonites in Hamm included Jakob HAURY, wife, 4 children. Could be father of Jakob1 HAURY. 1743 Mennonites in Hamm - no HAURYs. Burchhausen Mennonite records of HAURYs: 1724 Hans Haurich (HAURY?) dayworker, no wealth. Could be the wool weaver from Switzerland and grand-father of Jakob-1. 1738 Melchior HAURY, the older & wife. + Melchior HAURY, the younger & wife. 1743 Melchior HAURY with wife & daughter. 1753 Melchior HAURY widow wed Johannes Graf. Possible search trails: 1. Archive in Worms. 2. Chronicle in Hamm. 3. Church records of Rohrbach near Heidelberg may contain documents about "Bruchhausen. 4. Records in Schoftland/Hirschtal. --- 17Apr1989. Anabaptist-Mennonite data furnished by Mary Ellen HAURY Hutchison. ANABAPTIST-MENNONITE FAMILY TREE SWITZERLAND 1525 ZURICH-PROTESTANT REFORMATION-ANABAPTIST (RE-BAPTIZERS) -- |-1530s-1540s > HOLLAND -> N GERMANY | | (PRUSSIA) | |-1789-1830 -> RUSSIA | \-1870s-1920s-1940s N AMERICA| |-1530s-1540s > CENT. & SOUTH GERMANY | |--------| | |-1680-1750 -> N AMERICA | |-1693-1697 AMISH FORMED IN SWITZERLAND |-1700s-1800s -> N AMERICA AMERICA INCLUDES: USA, CANADA, VIRGINIA, PENNSYLVANIA, OHIO, INDIANA, ILLINOIS, KANSAS, ONTARIO, WESTERN CANADA & MOST OTHER STATES & PROVINCES. NUMBERS: MENNONITES 221,000; AMISH 34,000 NORTH AMERICA MOST LOCATED IN: PA, IL, IA, PA, OH, IN, IL, OH, ONT, IN, W.CAN. OTHER STATES/PROVINCES MENNONITES: RURAL/URBAN, BECOMING URBAN RAPILY. OCCUPATIONS: WIDE VARITIY (TEACHERS, DRs, NURSES,SOCIAL WK, LAWYERS, BUSINESS, ENGINEERS, FARMERS). CHANGABLE. EDUCATED. MODERN DRESS. CRITICAL OF EXCESS, MATERIALISM & WESTERN SOCIETY & DISREGARD OF EARTH. MODERN TECHNOLOGY. ECUMENICAL. CONCERNED FOR SIMPLICITY, GOOD RESOURCE STEWARDSHIP. CHURCH BUILDINGS. ENGLISH LANGUAGE. ADULT BAPTISM. NON-VIOLENCE. EVANGELISM. AMISH: RURAL GROUPS: FARMING, TRADESMEN. RESIST CHANGE. TRADITIONAL DRESS. FROZEN IN TIME, LATE 19TH CENTURY. LESS OPEN, SIMPLE LIFE, NON-MATERIALIST, PLAIN CLOTHES, NO ELECTRICITY, LIMITED MACHINERY USE, STRICT RULES. CHURCH IN BARNS/HOMES. ADULT BAPTISM. PREACHERS ELDERS. LITTLE SHARING OF FAITH. MENNONITE CHURCH 1. MEMBERSHIP- APPROXIMATELY 750,000. 2. WHERE: 57 COUNTRIES; 6 CONTINENTS. 3. ONE OF MANY BRANCHES WITHIN THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION (NOT A SEPARATE RELIGION OR CULT, ETC.) 4. AS A PART OF THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION, WE SHARE WITH OTHER CHRISTIAN GROUPS A BELIEF IN GOD, THE IMPORTANCE OF JESUS AS OUR SAVIOR AND LORD, THE USE OF THE BIBLE AS A GUIDE ON HOW TO BE FAITHFUL CHRISTIANS. WE ARE FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST AND ARE PART OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH COMMUNITY (OPEN TO WORKING WITH OTHER CHRISTIANS- ECUMENICAL EMPHASIS). 5. SOME THINGS THE CHURCH EMPHASIZES: A. VOLUNTARY MEMBERSHIP- ADULT DECISION - ADULT BAPTISM. B. STRONG EMPHASIS ON CHURCH AS A COMMUNITY OF SISTERS/BROTHERS WHO ARE WILLING TO HELP EACH OTHER (SPIRITUALLY, EMOTIONALLY, MATERIALLY/FINANCIALLY). C. STRONG SERVICE ORIENTATION - HELP ONE'S FELLOW MAN (BOTH SPIRITUALLY-SHARING ONE'S FAITH AND MATERIALLY-HELPING THE POOR AND NEEDY, WORKING FOR ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL JUSTICE). D. FOLLOWING JESUS AS LORD OF OUR LIVES - FOLLOWING JESUS' TEACHING ON ECONOMIC SHARING AND NON-VIOLENCE (NOT PASSIVITY IN THE FACE OF EVIL AND INJUSTICE, BUT NON-VIOLENT RESISTANCE). GLOBAL GIFTS 79TH MICH RD. MARTYRS MIRROR, BOOK ABOUT THE MENNONITES. --- A HAURY NAMEPLACE: Geogr, Lex. der Schwiz II Neuenburg 1904, Page 523 Haurihauser (Kt. Aargau, Bez. und Gem. Zofingen). 469 in. Gruppe von 3 Hausern in einen Klioen Thalchen am S. - Fuss des Buhenenbergs; 2,5 km no der Station Zofingen der Line Luzern - Olten 28 reform. Ew. 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