I don't have any information to give...but I have a great story. Last year on one of the challenges, I posted some information that someone had given my father-in-law in a letter in 1961. Someone on the list claimed the information and was thrilled about it. And I of course was glad to help someone out. I then attempted to throw the ragged letter away several times, but something kept nagging me to just hold on to it for a little longer. So I did. Well...guess what...about 3 months ago, I rammed through that brick wall of mine and found the name of the father I was looking for on my Howell line in the year 1780. And as I came down the decendency road...those names that I had found the owner to a year ago just happened to belong in our family line too! I guess that is reason never to throw out snipets of information, you never know if they will be your own! Good Luck to all. Debbie in Austin TX There are some things you are going to try that aren't going to work, and when that happens, you just have to dust yourself off and move on to other things! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software