Jeannette I was cleaning up some messages this morning and i have this from Genforum messages.What do you think Quote Hugh Howell is not related to Edmund or Edward.You have been relying on the Morman Church a little too much Hugh was Welsh and emigrated to the US in 1699.It's rumoured he and his brother were alongside of Captain Kidd.John Howell was hanged for piracy in 1701 for his services with Kidd only 3 dats after Kidd was hanged Edward and Edmund were in America well before Hugh was born so it's practically impossible Unquote Carol -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Phethean <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Re: Question >Many thanks, Carol; you've added to the inforamtion I have on this line. >Your son-0in-law and I come from the same line, since Levi and Mary Green >Howell are also my ancestors. > >The Howell book is one janel Howell and I wrote with the help of a lot of >our cousins about 3 years ago. You can buy it from Heritage Books, Inc. in >Bowie MD for about $15.00 right now. It is on a clearance table there. they >published it for us. If you have any of the genealogy magazines you can find >their address in one of them, or you can go to heritagebooks.com on the >Internet. The book # is 1459, the title is "The Descendants of Hugh Howell" >by Janel Howell and Jeannette Phethean. > >More later, I just got company. > >Jeannette > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Carol" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:15 AM >Subject: [HOWELL] Re: Question > > >> Hi Jeannette >> This is my son in laws family.I have started doing his family tree.What is >> the Howell book?? If you see any corrections,i would appreciate ANY!!!!! >> input >> >> the line is: >> my son in law >> >> his dad(still living) >> >> William Lawrence Howell-(1889-1973) mar Frankfort,Kansas >> +Anna Bernadette McGonigle(11-6-1895-1984)-d/o Miles McGonigle and Ellen >> Erskine(parents are from Ireland and i have nothing else on them..do you >> have anything???) >> >> William -son of >> >> Lewis Rogers Howell(8-26-1850-Papa(sp),ILL.-5-6-1929-Frankfort,ILL)mar >> 7-8-1885-Liller,Kansas >> +Millie(Amelia)Crevier(10-3-1863-Doniphan >> Co.Kansas-6-16-1946-Frankfort,Ks)-d/o Charles Crevier(7-31-1810-St Rancois >> du lac,Quebec,Canada and >> Tarsela(sp?)Marcotte(sp/)(b-c1852-Canada-5-1-1887-Frankfort,Ks)mar >> 1852-St.Louis,Mo. and Millie was grandd/O Charles Crevier de >> St.Francois(b-7-11-1788)and Angelique Le Maitre(b-1777).........(I have >more >> on this family) >> >> Lewis son of >> >> William Howell(5-6-1826-NJ-1899-Lee Co.ILL)mar 1849-??Penn?? >> +Sarah Elizabeth Rogers-11-28-1828-Penn-2-20-1893-Lee Co.ILL) >> >> William-son of >> >> George Green Howell(7-7-1787-Hope,Sussex Co.NJ-11-11-1858-Hope,Warren >Co.NJ) >> +Lydia Johnson(c1791-Hope NJ) >> >> George-son of >> >> Levi Howell(1748-8-1-1825-Warren,NJ)mar c1769 >> + Mary Green(1-1749-Greenwich,Morris,NJ-1-20-1836-Hope NJ)-d/o Samuel >> Green(1718-Warren,NJ-2-3-1803-NJ)and Hannah Wright(1714-Arnwell >> TownshipHunterdon Co.NJ-bef-1785-NJ) >> >> Levi-son of >> >> Sampson Howell(1718-Warren NJ-2-3-1803-NJ)mar c1740 >> +Jane Vanderbilt(1722-Warren,NJ-8-14-1805-NJ)-maybe ??d/o-Jacob >> Vanderbilt(1-25-1691/2-New Bedford,NY-1756/60-Staten Island,NY)and Neiltje >> Teunisson(Sp ???) and grandd/o Aris Janse >> Vanderbilt(12-1651-Netherlands-d-1711-New Amsterdam) and Hillitje >Hildegonde >> Vander beek(b-9-16-1653-New Amsterdam)-d/o Rem Jansen Van der Beek and >> Jannetje Rapelje.Aris and Hillitje mar 106-1677-NY-USA >> >> Sampson-son of >> >> Hugh(4-17-1659-Wales??-9-14-1745-Baptistown,NJ) and unk >> >> Hugh-maybe son of (I have a problem here..sooo i am stuck until i get it >> fiqured out.....if Hugh was b in Wales and Edmund in England??????? >> >> Edmund Howell(1-22-1633-12-3-1697-Long Island,Suffolk,NY) or Edward??? >> >> Carol in Va >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jeannette Phethean <[email protected]> >> To: Carol Owen <[email protected]> >> Date: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:09 PM >> Subject: Question >> >> >> >HI, Carol, >> > >> >I just saw your post on the Howell research Room page. I'm curious - you >> say that George Green Howell is your ancestor. May I ask from which of his >> children you descend? >> > >> >I don't hae you in my database, and would like to add you, if you will >send >> me your information. I'm hoping to update the book, probably with a CD >> rather than a book this time, and am collecting photos and obits plus any >> clippings about our family. I'm descended from Levi and Phebe Smith >Howell. >> > >> >Meanwhile, best wishes from another cousin. >> > >> >Jeannette >> >_____________________________________________________________________ >> >Get your own family web site at at www.MyFamily.com! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== >> Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email >> at <[email protected]>. >> > > >==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== >To post messages to the Howell discussion list, send them to > [email protected] >

This is absolutely right, so far as I'm concerned, especially when you consider that the Edmund Howell who is rumored to have been the father of Hugh married a young woman who ought to have been the mother of Hugh, in this country, and she died leaving no children, according to George Rogers Howell, who was a fairly well-known genealogist and an Edward Howell descendant. In those days, artificial insemination was totally unknown, and on the other side of the "pond" would make it ridiculous. If you have access to the book on the Edward howell family written by David Faris, you will also see that he does not mention Hugh or any of the known descendants of Sampson. David Faris updated the book written many hears ago by Emma Howell Ross, another of Edward's descendants. The pirate story also doesn't really hold water, since Hugh would have been almost 40 when Kidd turned to piracy in 1695. Add to that the fact that no amount of trying has been able to locate, for certain, the supposed brother or brothers. I have little information on the family you're working on after they left NJ, but will try to pass on to you what I do have. This will be a cintinuing story, I'm afraid; it's one of my really busy days. Jeannette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Re: Question > Jeannette > I was cleaning up some messages this morning and i have this from Genforum > messages.What do you think > > Quote > Hugh Howell is not related to Edmund or Edward.You have been relying on the > Morman Church a little too much > > Hugh was Welsh and emigrated to the US in 1699.It's rumoured he and his > brother were alongside of Captain Kidd.John Howell was hanged for piracy in > 1701 for his services with Kidd only 3 dats after Kidd was hanged > > Edward and Edmund were in America well before Hugh was born so it's > practically impossible > > Unquote > > Carol > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette Phethean <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 10:13 AM > Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Re: Question > > > >Many thanks, Carol; you've added to the inforamtion I have on this line. > >Your son-0in-law and I come from the same line, since Levi and Mary Green > >Howell are also my ancestors. > > > >The Howell book is one janel Howell and I wrote with the help of a lot of > >our cousins about 3 years ago. You can buy it from Heritage Books, Inc. in > >Bowie MD for about $15.00 right now. It is on a clearance table there. they > >published it for us. If you have any of the genealogy magazines you can > find > >their address in one of them, or you can go to heritagebooks.com on the > >Internet. The book # is 1459, the title is "The Descendants of Hugh Howell" > >by Janel Howell and Jeannette Phethean. > > > >More later, I just got company. > > > >Jeannette > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Carol" <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:15 AM > >Subject: [HOWELL] Re: Question > > > > > >> Hi Jeannette > >> This is my son in laws family.I have started doing his family tree.What > is > >> the Howell book?? If you see any corrections,i would appreciate ANY!!!!! > >> input > >> > >> the line is: > >> my son in law > >> > >> his dad(still living) > >> > >> William Lawrence Howell-(1889-1973) mar Frankfort,Kansas > >> +Anna Bernadette McGonigle(11-6-1895-1984)-d/o Miles McGonigle and > Ellen > >> Erskine(parents are from Ireland and i have nothing else on them..do you > >> have anything???) > >> > >> William -son of > >> > >> Lewis Rogers Howell(8-26-1850-Papa(sp),ILL.-5-6-1929-Frankfort,ILL)mar > >> 7-8-1885-Liller,Kansas > >> +Millie(Amelia)Crevier(10-3-1863-Doniphan > >> Co.Kansas-6-16-1946-Frankfort,Ks)-d/o Charles Crevier(7-31-1810-St > Rancois > >> du lac,Quebec,Canada and > >> Tarsela(sp?)Marcotte(sp/)(b-c1852-Canada-5-1-1887-Frankfort,Ks)mar > >> 1852-St.Louis,Mo. and Millie was grandd/O Charles Crevier de > >> St.Francois(b-7-11-1788)and Angelique Le Maitre(b-1777).........(I have > >more > >> on this family) > >> > >> Lewis son of > >> > >> William Howell(5-6-1826-NJ-1899-Lee Co.ILL)mar 1849-??Penn?? > >> +Sarah Elizabeth Rogers-11-28-1828-Penn-2-20-1893-Lee Co.ILL) > >> > >> William-son of > >> > >> George Green Howell(7-7-1787-Hope,Sussex Co.NJ-11-11-1858-Hope,Warren > >Co.NJ) > >> +Lydia Johnson(c1791-Hope NJ) > >> > >> George-son of > >> > >> Levi Howell(1748-8-1-1825-Warren,NJ)mar c1769 > >> + Mary Green(1-1749-Greenwich,Morris,NJ-1-20-1836-Hope NJ)-d/o Samuel > >> Green(1718-Warren,NJ-2-3-1803-NJ)and Hannah Wright(1714-Arnwell > >> TownshipHunterdon Co.NJ-bef-1785-NJ) > >> > >> Levi-son of > >> > >> Sampson Howell(1718-Warren NJ-2-3-1803-NJ)mar c1740 > >> +Jane Vanderbilt(1722-Warren,NJ-8-14-1805-NJ)-maybe ??d/o-Jacob > >> Vanderbilt(1-25-1691/2-New Bedford,NY-1756/60-Staten Island,NY)and > Neiltje > >> Teunisson(Sp ???) and grandd/o Aris Janse > >> Vanderbilt(12-1651-Netherlands-d-1711-New Amsterdam) and Hillitje > >Hildegonde > >> Vander beek(b-9-16-1653-New Amsterdam)-d/o Rem Jansen Van der Beek and > >> Jannetje Rapelje.Aris and Hillitje mar 106-1677-NY-USA > >> > >> Sampson-son of > >> > >> Hugh(4-17-1659-Wales??-9-14-1745-Baptistown,NJ) and unk > >> > >> Hugh-maybe son of (I have a problem here..sooo i am stuck until i get it > >> fiqured out.....if Hugh was b in Wales and Edmund in England??????? > >> > >> Edmund Howell(1-22-1633-12-3-1697-Long Island,Suffolk,NY) or Edward??? > >> > >> Carol in Va > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Jeannette Phethean <[email protected]> > >> To: Carol Owen <[email protected]> > >> Date: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:09 PM > >> Subject: Question > >> > >> > >> >HI, Carol, > >> > > >> >I just saw your post on the Howell research Room page. I'm curious - you > >> say that George Green Howell is your ancestor. May I ask from which of > his > >> children you descend? > >> > > >> >I don't hae you in my database, and would like to add you, if you will > >send > >> me your information. I'm hoping to update the book, probably with a CD > >> rather than a book this time, and am collecting photos and obits plus any > >> clippings about our family. I'm descended from Levi and Phebe Smith > >Howell. > >> > > >> >Meanwhile, best wishes from another cousin. > >> > > >> >Jeannette > >> >_____________________________________________________________________ > >> >Get your own family web site at at www.MyFamily.com! > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > >> Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email > >> at <[email protected]>. > >> > > > > > >==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > >To post messages to the Howell discussion list, send them to > > [email protected] > > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > Please avoid flaming (attacking) any single person or the group. This infraction will earn you immediate removal from the list. >

unsubscribe -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Phethean [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 10:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Re: Question This is absolutely right, so far as I'm concerned, especially when you consider that the Edmund Howell who is rumored to have been the father of Hugh married a young woman who ought to have been the mother of Hugh, in this country, and she died leaving no children, according to George Rogers Howell, who was a fairly well-known genealogist and an Edward Howell descendant. In those days, artificial insemination was totally unknown, and on the other side of the "pond" would make it ridiculous. If you have access to the book on the Edward howell family written by David Faris, you will also see that he does not mention Hugh or any of the known descendants of Sampson. David Faris updated the book written many hears ago by Emma Howell Ross, another of Edward's descendants. The pirate story also doesn't really hold water, since Hugh would have been almost 40 when Kidd turned to piracy in 1695. Add to that the fact that no amount of trying has been able to locate, for certain, the supposed brother or brothers. I have little information on the family you're working on after they left NJ, but will try to pass on to you what I do have. This will be a cintinuing story, I'm afraid; it's one of my really busy days. Jeannette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Re: Question > Jeannette > I was cleaning up some messages this morning and i have this from Genforum > messages.What do you think > > Quote > Hugh Howell is not related to Edmund or Edward.You have been relying on the > Morman Church a little too much > > Hugh was Welsh and emigrated to the US in 1699.It's rumoured he and his > brother were alongside of Captain Kidd.John Howell was hanged for piracy in > 1701 for his services with Kidd only 3 dats after Kidd was hanged > > Edward and Edmund were in America well before Hugh was born so it's > practically impossible > > Unquote > > Carol > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette Phethean <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 10:13 AM > Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Re: Question > > > >Many thanks, Carol; you've added to the inforamtion I have on this line. > >Your son-0in-law and I come from the same line, since Levi and Mary Green > >Howell are also my ancestors. > > > >The Howell book is one janel Howell and I wrote with the help of a lot of > >our cousins about 3 years ago. You can buy it from Heritage Books, Inc. in > >Bowie MD for about $15.00 right now. It is on a clearance table there. they > >published it for us. If you have any of the genealogy magazines you can > find > >their address in one of them, or you can go to heritagebooks.com on the > >Internet. The book # is 1459, the title is "The Descendants of Hugh Howell" > >by Janel Howell and Jeannette Phethean. > > > >More later, I just got company. > > > >Jeannette > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Carol" <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:15 AM > >Subject: [HOWELL] Re: Question > > > > > >> Hi Jeannette > >> This is my son in laws family.I have started doing his family tree.What > is > >> the Howell book?? If you see any corrections,i would appreciate ANY!!!!! > >> input > >> > >> the line is: > >> my son in law > >> > >> his dad(still living) > >> > >> William Lawrence Howell-(1889-1973) mar Frankfort,Kansas > >> +Anna Bernadette McGonigle(11-6-1895-1984)-d/o Miles McGonigle and > Ellen > >> Erskine(parents are from Ireland and i have nothing else on them..do you > >> have anything???) > >> > >> William -son of > >> > >> Lewis Rogers Howell(8-26-1850-Papa(sp),ILL.-5-6-1929-Frankfort,ILL)mar > >> 7-8-1885-Liller,Kansas > >> +Millie(Amelia)Crevier(10-3-1863-Doniphan > >> Co.Kansas-6-16-1946-Frankfort,Ks)-d/o Charles Crevier(7-31-1810-St > Rancois > >> du lac,Quebec,Canada and > >> Tarsela(sp?)Marcotte(sp/)(b-c1852-Canada-5-1-1887-Frankfort,Ks)mar > >> 1852-St.Louis,Mo. and Millie was grandd/O Charles Crevier de > >> St.Francois(b-7-11-1788)and Angelique Le Maitre(b-1777).........(I have > >more > >> on this family) > >> > >> Lewis son of > >> > >> William Howell(5-6-1826-NJ-1899-Lee Co.ILL)mar 1849-??Penn?? > >> +Sarah Elizabeth Rogers-11-28-1828-Penn-2-20-1893-Lee Co.ILL) > >> > >> William-son of > >> > >> George Green Howell(7-7-1787-Hope,Sussex Co.NJ-11-11-1858-Hope,Warren > >Co.NJ) > >> +Lydia Johnson(c1791-Hope NJ) > >> > >> George-son of > >> > >> Levi Howell(1748-8-1-1825-Warren,NJ)mar c1769 > >> + Mary Green(1-1749-Greenwich,Morris,NJ-1-20-1836-Hope NJ)-d/o Samuel > >> Green(1718-Warren,NJ-2-3-1803-NJ)and Hannah Wright(1714-Arnwell > >> TownshipHunterdon Co.NJ-bef-1785-NJ) > >> > >> Levi-son of > >> > >> Sampson Howell(1718-Warren NJ-2-3-1803-NJ)mar c1740 > >> +Jane Vanderbilt(1722-Warren,NJ-8-14-1805-NJ)-maybe ??d/o-Jacob > >> Vanderbilt(1-25-1691/2-New Bedford,NY-1756/60-Staten Island,NY)and > Neiltje > >> Teunisson(Sp ???) and grandd/o Aris Janse > >> Vanderbilt(12-1651-Netherlands-d-1711-New Amsterdam) and Hillitje > >Hildegonde > >> Vander beek(b-9-16-1653-New Amsterdam)-d/o Rem Jansen Van der Beek and > >> Jannetje Rapelje.Aris and Hillitje mar 106-1677-NY-USA > >> > >> Sampson-son of > >> > >> Hugh(4-17-1659-Wales??-9-14-1745-Baptistown,NJ) and unk > >> > >> Hugh-maybe son of (I have a problem here..sooo i am stuck until i get it > >> fiqured out.....if Hugh was b in Wales and Edmund in England??????? > >> > >> Edmund Howell(1-22-1633-12-3-1697-Long Island,Suffolk,NY) or Edward??? > >> > >> Carol in Va > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Jeannette Phethean <[email protected]> > >> To: Carol Owen <[email protected]> > >> Date: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:09 PM > >> Subject: Question > >> > >> > >> >HI, Carol, > >> > > >> >I just saw your post on the Howell research Room page. I'm curious - you > >> say that George Green Howell is your ancestor. May I ask from which of > his > >> children you descend? > >> > > >> >I don't hae you in my database, and would like to add you, if you will > >send > >> me your information. I'm hoping to update the book, probably with a CD > >> rather than a book this time, and am collecting photos and obits plus any > >> clippings about our family. I'm descended from Levi and Phebe Smith > >Howell. > >> > > >> >Meanwhile, best wishes from another cousin. > >> > > >> >Jeannette > >> >_____________________________________________________________________ > >> >Get your own family web site at at www.MyFamily.com! > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > >> Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email > >> at <[email protected]>. > >> > > > > > >==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > >To post messages to the Howell discussion list, send them to > > [email protected] > > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > Please avoid flaming (attacking) any single person or the group. This infraction will earn you immediate removal from the list. > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== Please do not send messages with attachments, HTML, MIME, or any other enhanced text to the list. RootsWeb does not allow messages with those settings through their servers and will only return them to you.