-----Original Message----- From: dennis painting <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: The Howells of Birmingham & Wales Ivy E Painting (nee Howell) was the daughter of John Richard Howell, born 22 Jan 1886 in Ladywood District, Birmingham Warks, Eng.. I have researched, and found, hisFather, was Jonh Howell, and his Mother Anne Crowley. He married Elsie Dodwell, born on April 07 1888, in Aston Deitend, Warks. They married in 1906-7 and lived at #3 St. Martins, Birmingham. I dont know of any siblings, or other children. I believe there were possibly 12-14 children, some of whom emigrated to the U S A. This is as far as I have gotten, can anyone help? Thanks, Dennis Painting, Canada.