Hi Howells, I also believe that this list is one of the best lists because it is so active. I saw the complainers getting too much "air time" and then Jim defending his actions too much. You could see that this happy list was starting to crumble. To be a List Owner is to have a thankless job. It doesn't pay enough, I am sure. Maybe it is the normal expected cycle in a List. Happiness and activity, then complaints about off topic posts, then newbies getting upset at suggestions to discipline the Subject Line, then it blows up in our face. The next time we find a good list, we should thank the List Owner for being an unsung hero. Now, we have a problem. And we all would vote for Jim to continue and we would come to his defense in a heartbeat. Maybe it is not too late. Jim, please change your mind George B. Williams Manassas, Virginia