Jim: Damn the itty bitty petty tyrants, full speed ahead. Looking for James Howell b 15 Nov 1784 Tennessee M Jane Copeland b 1804 d 13 Apr 1836 Danville, Vermillion, Illinois. Aynone please respond. Thanks, John

Hello to all, I have been reading all post, and have enjoyed all. Hoping someone might be able to help me with information on the ancestors of my 2nd ggrandmother. She was Jackey Eliza Howell b 1823 in Edgecombe County, NC. She married Hardy William Brown Price on September 09, 1839 in Tarboro, Edgecombe County, NC. The only info I have on her parents is their names: John Howell m Temperance unk. John Howell's parents were John Howell and Gracie Staton. I know this isn't much, but it is all I have on the Howell's. Thanks in advance for anything. Linda

You know, Gang, we had a good thing going here at one time. Now everyone is bitching about something or another. Whatever happened to genealogy. Maybe this is the only time that some of you have a chance to bitch. Well, it is not appealing to the rest of us. Let's get back to normal here, please.

Ok I have heard alot about the problems here. I am new at this. I doit as a hobby and for the future Howells. Please dont take this wrong, but its starting to get annoying. Lets stop the bickering and have fun and learn who we are. I can understand everyone's complaints. Take note and drive on. I have only found to possible connections to my tree. (and they weren't even direct to me, cousins of cousins) I for one would like Jim to continue and if someone can give him a hand or help guide him then so be it, help him. He appears to be a kind and caring gentleman, who only means well. I am not blaming any one everyone is initialed to their opinion so please give him a hand. HE IS TRIING VERY HARD!!! Gary M Howell Jr. Washington State ---------- > From: Denise Reece <reeced@teleport.com> > To: HOWELL-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HOWELL-L] ENOUGH IS ENOUGH > Date: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 12:57 PM > > I have spent the past week putting together my Howell line to post to this > list so that I may help others as well as myself in locating unknown family. > But with what has been going on lately I'm wondering if my efforts(or anyone > else's) would be appreciated at all. There seems to be a lack of > appreciation on the part of some members. > > As a relatively new member of this list serve(and I belong to many) I must > say that if anything were to cause me to run screaming from this particular > one it would not be Jim. It would be those who have spent far too much > Internet time whining about a nice gesture and a simple misunderstanding of > how software posted (meaning unintended attachments). Genealogy is > supposed to be a fun adventure into our personal history not a battle over > such meaningless crap. If we were receiving unrelated advertisements and > messages on a daily basis that would one thing, but I have not seen this to > be the case. > > The reality is people, if you think you can do a better job than Jim, > without being paid, than do it. If you can't . . . BACK OFF! I for one > think he is doing a great job. > > Denise > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > To unsub or for more info on the HOWELL list please see: http://members.aol.com/jim68@cetlink.net/howell_l.html > Note: that is HOWELL _L just like in the list name. It is case sensitive. > > Please don't send attached files to list. >

I have updated my website and have moved the link to my webpages to the TOP of the page. For the politically inclined, I have some good links to Rush Limbaugh, G.Gordon Liddy, etc..... :-) (Check out Rush's 14 Commandments of the Religious Left. Hee Hee Hee!!!) Thanks! Will Smith rebelyell@cafes.net http://www.cafes.net/rebelyell/ To go directly to my genealogy page: http://www.cafes.net/rebelyell/genealogy.html

> >Jim, keep up the good work. >Kristen, get a life. > >Gary Mosier > > >==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== >To unsub or for more info on the HOWELL list please see: >http://members.aol.com/jim68@cetlink.net/howell_l.html >Note: that is HOWELL _L just like in the list name. It is case sensitive. > >Please don't send attached files to list. > > > >

Dear Resa. And All Subscribers. Resa.You just posted a message of over 500 words and not one word of GENEALOGY RESEARCH. in it. The very thing that you are coming down on me about. I belong to ROOTS-L VA. ROOTS HARRISON-MONONGALIA CO. ROOTS WVRANDOLPH CO ROOTS. JACKSON CO ROOTS. CLAY CO ROOTS> and many more. All list had more mothers day wishes on them then mine did. I don't beleve that it was my message that you are bothered with.and as far as the attachments I did not even know that I was sending them untill the list told me about them. And I said that I was sorry to the list. So if you want to set the standers for this list I will go to the list owner page and delete it and you can take over with my blessings.and any outher subscriber that Wants to take over the list it will be fine with me. But I will not catered to you or any outher cry babys on this list So don't come down on me for something that you do your self. I hope that this will stop the crying. AND ANY ONE WHO WANT TO REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE DO IT TO ME> jim68@cetlink AND NOT TO THE LIST And if you dont want the list then let me run it. I want this subject put to sleep once and for all. List Owner James Rowan. Researching The surnames of. HOWELL. FORINASH. ROWAN. Black. COOK. HAWKINS.

OK folks, I for one think that we have beaten this dog to death. Enough of the non-genealogy posts. Lets let this thing go and get back to what the list was intended for -- genealogy!

I have spent the past week putting together my Howell line to post to this list so that I may help others as well as myself in locating unknown family. But with what has been going on lately I'm wondering if my efforts(or anyone else's) would be appreciated at all. There seems to be a lack of appreciation on the part of some members. As a relatively new member of this list serve(and I belong to many) I must say that if anything were to cause me to run screaming from this particular one it would not be Jim. It would be those who have spent far too much Internet time whining about a nice gesture and a simple misunderstanding of how software posted (meaning unintended attachments). Genealogy is supposed to be a fun adventure into our personal history not a battle over such meaningless crap. If we were receiving unrelated advertisements and messages on a daily basis that would one thing, but I have not seen this to be the case. The reality is people, if you think you can do a better job than Jim, without being paid, than do it. If you can't . . . BACK OFF! I for one think he is doing a great job. Denise

Smith and Comanche Counties in TX???? Any help appreciated. Darlene Generation No. 1 1. Robert Nathaniel Henry2 HOWELL (Robert Henry1) was born February 17, 1816 in Virginia, and died December 10, 1896 in Comanche Co., TX. He married (1) Elizabeth NICHOLSON June 14, 1836 in Polk Co., TN, daughter of Isaac NICHOLSON and Rebecca PENRY. He married (2) Nancy MITCHELL April 13, 1869 in Smith Co., TX. Children of Robert HOWELL and Elizabeth NICHOLSON are: 2 i. Telitha3 HOWELL, born June 10, 1837 in GA; died March 07, 1839 in GA. 3 ii. Mariah Caroline HOWELL, born March 05, 1839 in Polk Co., TN; died September 12, 1918 in Reese, Cherokee Co., TX. She married (1) John Harrison ALEXANDER February 08, 1857 in Smith Co., TX. She married (2) Nichola KING May 23, 1869 in Smith Co., TX. She married (3) Edwin Fair EDMONDSON December 29, 1876 in Smith Co., TX. 4 iii. Sarah Elizabeth HOWELL, born February 11, 1841 in TN. 5 iv. Marella HOWELL, born February 19, 1843 in Polk Co., TN; died August 17, 1876 in Smith Co., TX. She married Edwin Fair EDMONDSON June 06, 1870 in Smith Co., TX. 6 v. Emily Amelia HOWELL, born February 28, 1845 in Polk Co., TN; died Aft. 1860. 7 vi. Christopher Lamanthus HOWELL, born February 15, 1847 in Polk Co., TN; died January 27, 1929 in Roswell, Chaves Co., NM. He married (1) Mary Jane Lowry February 18, 1869 in Smith County, TX. He married (2) Missouri Ellen RIGSBY September 26, 1886 in Comanche County, Theny, TX. 8 vii. Leonidas Stanwix HOWELL, born December 11, 1848 in Polk County, TN; died October 08, 1855. 9 viii. Brigs Baty HOWELL, born February 12, 1851 in TN; died Bef. 1896. 10 ix. Thirsy Jane HOWELL, born Bef. 1853 in Polk Co., TN; died February 22, 1855 in TN. 11 x. Isaac Monteville HOWELL, born February 25, 1855 in Polk Co., TN; died September 21, 1937 in Proctor, Comanche Co., TX. He married Roxie Ann Reddell December 16, 1888 in Comyn, Comanche Co., TX. 12 xi. Joseph HOWELL, born Abt. 1859 in TX. 13 xii. Samuel Houston HOWELL, born February 04, 1859 in Smith Co., TX; died July 31, 1944 in Tahoka, Lynn Co., TX. He married (1) Mary Ann Elliott. He married (2) Robert Anna LILES June 19, 1885 in Comanche County, Theny, TX. Child of Robert HOWELL and Nancy MITCHELL is: 14 i. Richard Coke3 HOWELL, born October 06, 1874.

Anything look familiar? Darlene 1. Robert Henry1 HOWELL was born March 07, 1788 in VA, and died January 31, 1834 in McMinn., TN. He married Dorothy V. BRIGGS July 06, 1813 in Powhatan Co., VA, daughter of John BRIGGS and Ann LOCKETT. Children of Robert HOWELL and Dorothy BRIGGS are: 2 i. Robert Nathaniel Henry2 HOWELL, born February 17, 1816 in Virginia; died December 10, 1896 in Comanche Co., TX. He married (1) Elizabeth NICHOLSON June 14, 1836 in Polk Co., TN. He married (2) Nancy Mitchell April 13, 1869 in Smith Co., TX. 3 ii. Mariah C. HOWELL, born January 29, 1818. 4 iii. Mary Ann HOWELL, born December 1820. 5 iv. Jane Elizabeth HOWELL, born January 27, 1823. 6 v. Dorothy BRIGGS HOWELL, born January 05, 1825 in GA /TN. 7 vi. Bel Cason HOWELL, born March 26, 1826; died November 26, 1826 in McMinn, TN. 8 vii. Joseph V. HOWELL, born July 23, 1827. 9 viii. Helen Mearin HOWELL, born September 27, 1829 in McMinn Co., TN; died March 21, 1919 in Bradley County, TN. She married Isaac NICHOLSON March 04, 1849 in Polk Co., TN. 10 ix. Edwin Wallis HOWELL, born August 05, 1831 in McMinn Co., TN; died 1914 in Polk Co., TN. He married (1) Mary unknown WOMACK Aft. 1855. He married (2) Rebecca C. HARMON April 18, 1912 in Polk Co., TN. 11 x. Asa J. HOWELL, born June 09, 1833 in McMinn Co., TN. He married (1) Rebecca Unknown HOWELL. He married (2) Malinda FOX 1861.

I'm trying to trace the grandparents and beyond for: Emmett Oscar Howell born: Salem Missouri 1892 Father: Joe, Mother Laura Want to know Emmett's parents places of birth and so on. Like to trace back to entrance into the country. thank you

There sure seems to be a lot of Howells, but very few from Mississippi. I know my grandfather had at least two brothers, Sam and Wiley and he was born in Leake county Mississippi. He died of TB in 1932 or 33 probably in Bolivar County Mississippi. He was married to my grandmother, Ludie Kuykendall of Polk county Arkansas. They had six children. Elzie Jr, Viola, Ruby, Onie Mae, Louise, Clarence, Mildred. But still I can't find any information on him. Nothing on when he married. I did find them listed as Hall on the 1920 Census in Bolivar county. Keep hoping someone will find them somewhere. I have ordered the 1900 census search for Bolivar county and Polk county hoping to find something on grandmother or grandfather. If anyone has any thing on any Howells or Kuykendalls in Mississippi or Arkansas I would sure be intrested. Thanks Charlotte

Resa, I don't have time to go thoroughly into this at this particular time, as I have *got* to leave for work, or I'll be late............just could not allow your post to run by itself for the entire day, with no comments. Not all of us agree with you............some may.........some may not.............but if you want this list to be as perfect as you've suggested, my suggestion to YOU is to take it over and be the listowner yourself, instead of criticising Jim.........at least he DONATES his time for the cause.......and NOT to be bitched at. Norma in Rio Linda, CA.............and I WILL be back later this evening for more detailed comments to you. Resa Hennings wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I had privately written to Jim Rowan, the Listowner here at HOWELL-L, > last week asking him why he was posting attachments, tests, and an > off-topic note (as sweet as the Mother's Day comments were, they WERE > off-topic). For those of you who have been around Listserves any > length of time, you know those are very much NO-NOs. Just isn't done, > and ESPECIALLY is not done by the Listowner, who is supposed to be > responsible to make sure the rules are not broken. > > As I said to him in my note, if he were going to continue to be the > one to break the rules, I felt he should re-think serving as Listowner. > If he follows the rules, I have no qualms about him staying. > > Jim wrote back and said he was having some kind of trouble with his > mail program, I believe it was. > > I've been on the Internet over four years and for a long time I sub- > scribed to ROOTS-L, the granddaddy of them all. Their address was at > the University of North Dakota at the time, but has since changed as > they outgrew the computers in ND. Today they are Rootsweb, the "backer" > of this HOWELL-L group and many other such groups. There on Roots-L is > where I really learned how it all works. And believe me, those people > would pounce on you in nothing flat for sending an attachment! And I > mean POUNCE! I remember one stretch of time there were vicious flame > wars because people had too many typos and grammatical errors in their > postings! And the biggest sin of all was not including an explanative > subject line. Many people left the listserve, in tears, I am sure. > It got quite brutal. Actually, too brutal, I thought. But I stayed > on because there was such good genealogy being discussed. And I made > EXTRA sure all my posts were written well and typed perfectly--didn't > want to get yelled at! It was just a phenomenal learning experience > for me, being on Roots-L those early Internet years of mine. > > There were some professional genealogists on Roots-L together with > just regular hobbyists, who all had very high standards. They had no > time for errors nor for reading garbage. And I cannot really disagree > with that. People who want to research their families and establish > relationships according to the established rules of proof, may want to > publish their findings some day. In essence, they are writing a > "legal brief." All of the legal system's rules of proof and evidence > apply in serious genealogical writings. So those high standards of > many of the people on Roots-L applied to every facet of genealogy in > which they became involved, which, of course, included listserves. > > Each of us has our own agenda in our reserach. But regardless of what > that is--the listserve rules should be followed by all. > > So, those of you here on HOWELL-L, who say "I haven't seen any posts > that bothered me," maybe have not been on a listserve that follows the > rules to a T. Maybe following the rules so closely is excessive, I > don't know. But I do know that each listserve develops its own unique > personality and level of expertise through the guidance of the list- > owner and the subscribers themselves. The group is what we make it. > What level of quality do we want here? Do we want to be serious and > down to business and striving for perfection, or will we end up sharing > recipes and talking sports scores? I'm sure there's a happy medium. > But remember that if we gravitate to the lower end, many of the more > serious researchers will just UNsubscribe. And it will be our loss, > as we could learn many things from those individuals. > > My two cents worth. > > > Resa Nichols Hennings > Houston > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > To unsub or for more info on the HOWELL list please see: http://members.aol.com/jim68@cetlink.net/howell_l.html > Note: that is HOWELL _L just like in the list name. It is case sensitive. > > Please don't send attached files to list.

Hello everyone, I had privately written to Jim Rowan, the Listowner here at HOWELL-L, last week asking him why he was posting attachments, tests, and an off-topic note (as sweet as the Mother's Day comments were, they WERE off-topic). For those of you who have been around Listserves any length of time, you know those are very much NO-NOs. Just isn't done, and ESPECIALLY is not done by the Listowner, who is supposed to be responsible to make sure the rules are not broken. As I said to him in my note, if he were going to continue to be the one to break the rules, I felt he should re-think serving as Listowner. If he follows the rules, I have no qualms about him staying. Jim wrote back and said he was having some kind of trouble with his mail program, I believe it was. I've been on the Internet over four years and for a long time I sub- scribed to ROOTS-L, the granddaddy of them all. Their address was at the University of North Dakota at the time, but has since changed as they outgrew the computers in ND. Today they are Rootsweb, the "backer" of this HOWELL-L group and many other such groups. There on Roots-L is where I really learned how it all works. And believe me, those people would pounce on you in nothing flat for sending an attachment! And I mean POUNCE! I remember one stretch of time there were vicious flame wars because people had too many typos and grammatical errors in their postings! And the biggest sin of all was not including an explanative subject line. Many people left the listserve, in tears, I am sure. It got quite brutal. Actually, too brutal, I thought. But I stayed on because there was such good genealogy being discussed. And I made EXTRA sure all my posts were written well and typed perfectly--didn't want to get yelled at! It was just a phenomenal learning experience for me, being on Roots-L those early Internet years of mine. There were some professional genealogists on Roots-L together with just regular hobbyists, who all had very high standards. They had no time for errors nor for reading garbage. And I cannot really disagree with that. People who want to research their families and establish relationships according to the established rules of proof, may want to publish their findings some day. In essence, they are writing a "legal brief." All of the legal system's rules of proof and evidence apply in serious genealogical writings. So those high standards of many of the people on Roots-L applied to every facet of genealogy in which they became involved, which, of course, included listserves. Each of us has our own agenda in our reserach. But regardless of what that is--the listserve rules should be followed by all. So, those of you here on HOWELL-L, who say "I haven't seen any posts that bothered me," maybe have not been on a listserve that follows the rules to a T. Maybe following the rules so closely is excessive, I don't know. But I do know that each listserve develops its own unique personality and level of expertise through the guidance of the list- owner and the subscribers themselves. The group is what we make it. What level of quality do we want here? Do we want to be serious and down to business and striving for perfection, or will we end up sharing recipes and talking sports scores? I'm sure there's a happy medium. But remember that if we gravitate to the lower end, many of the more serious researchers will just UNsubscribe. And it will be our loss, as we could learn many things from those individuals. My two cents worth. Resa Nichols Hennings Houston

I am looking for Robert HOWELL b. March 7, 1788 who married Dorothy V. BRIGGS on July 6, 1813 in Powhatan County, VA and moved to McMinn Co., TN aft 1816. Robert died at Spring Place, Murray Co., GA January 30, 1834. He was in Spring Place after 1828 for a spell to build on the Joseph Vann and David McNair homes. His son Robert Nathaniel Henry HOWELL married Elizabeth NICHOLSON and they moved to TX by mid 1850's. They were in Smith County, TX until late 1870's when they moved to Comanche County where he stayed until his death in 1896. I am stuck in TN, cannot make the connection to Robert HOWELL in VA or to his parents. We have located Dorothy's ancestry on her mothers side quite a ways back but are stuck on Robert Henry HOWELL. So any help would be appreciated. Their families seemed to be around Chesterfield, Powhatan, and Amelia Counties in VA. My web page: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/t/r/a/Darlene--Tracy/ODT0001-0001.html dtracy1124@aol.com

I'm a descendant of Myhill Howell b. 1789 York Co., SC d. 1853 in Alabama married abt 1810 to Nancy Paris. Myhill was son of Joseph Howell (abt 1745-11 Oct 1819 York Co., SC) & Lucy Smith daughter of Joseph Smith and Elizabeth Collier. Joseph Howell & Joseph Smith were supposedly Rev. War Veterans. I have been unable to find proof of their service, but there are few SC RW records in the Houston library. Any help on this or extending these lines is greatly appreciated. Ky White Houston, TX

I agree with R.N. Henning. It is time for our list owner to simply shut up and soldier. We all err. Take the correction and do a better job in the future. Now is not the time to pout or whine, simply obey the rules and insist that others do or boot them. Now let's get back to genealogy. Ky White Houston, TX

Judy, Here it is. http://eagle.vsla.edu/war1812/ grant

Jim, I too appreciate your efforts and hard work on the list. I enjoyed reading the Roll Call posts. Although I didn't get any concrete info, I did get a couple of leads. Being a mother, I also appreciated your lovely Mother's Day post. I too don't like A LOT of misc. non-Howell related info; but I also know how to use my delete key. Keep up the great work Jim. Thank you! Cindy