Does anyone know anything about the Aaron Howell who married Elizabeth Low in Fairfield County Ohio in May of 1816? (info from Fairfield Co. OH Genweb pg--Ye Ancient Swains) sandi

Hey All: This is almost too earieeee to believe, we have so much confusion with frequent reuse of given names. But consider, Pleasat (female) name is in many E TN records. My great grand aunt, Elvina (Vinnie) McCorkle wife of Joseph Anderson Howell 1839-1917. My families were in Rhea, Meigs & McMinn Co's TN. I often check Roane Co records as they were so close. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Pustola" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, 28 October, 2001 1:51 PM Subject: [HOWELL] [Fwd: Pleasant Howell-Roane & Polk Co., TN] > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [Descendants of Edward Howell (1584 - 1655)] Pleasant > Howell-Roane & Polk Co., TN > Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 11:55:35 -0700 > Resent-From: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:55:27 EST > From: [email protected] > Reply-To: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > My brick wall is Pleasant Howell, my gg grandfather. I find him and > family > listed in the 1850 & 1860 Roane Co, TN census, however by 1870 the > family is > in Polk Co, TN, without Pleasant. What happened to him? I have been > unable to > find him listed in Civil War, nor have I found any record of his death. > His > mother is listed in census records as Vina, Viney, Lavinia Howell. She > is > also listed as a widow, therefore no husbands name is listed. > > Pleasant Howell, born abt 1828 in TN, married Sarah(Sally) Barns on June > 1, > 1845 in Roane Co., TN. They had the following children: > > William Thomas Howell 1846 - Unknown b: Abt. 1846 in Prob Roane Co, Tn > d: > Unknown > > Wiley Jasper Howell 1848 - Unknown b: Abt. 1848 in Roane Co., TN d: > Unknown > > James C Howell 1850 - Unknown b: Abt. 1850 in Roane Co., TN d: Unknown > > Amanda J Howell 1851 - 1900 b: December 1851 in Roane Co., TN d: Aft. > 1900 in > Unknown > .......... +Isaac Buchanon 1849 - Unknown b: Abt. 1849 in TN d: Unknown > > Sarah J. Howell 1853 - Unknown b: 1853 in Prob Roane Co, Tn d: Unknown > > John Loyd Howell 1853 - 1950 b: November 09, 1853 in Prob Roane Co, Tn > d: May > 17, 1950 in McMinn Co., TN > ..........married Mary Louisa Simpson 1858 - 1919 b: May 01, 1858 in GA > d: > August 20, 1919 in Polk Co., TN > > Mary E Howell 1856 - Unknown b: Abt. 1856 in Prob Roane Co, Tn d: > Unknown > > Rachel Howell 1860 - 1947 b: January 02, 1860 in Prob Roane Co, Tn d: > April > 04, 1947 in Hamilton Co., TN > .......... married William Ransom Womack 1862 - 1924 b: October 11, 1862 > in > Polk Co., TN d: March 05, 1924 in Hamilton Co., TN > > Pleasant B Howell 1861 - 1943 b: Bet. 1861 - 1862 in Polk or Roane > County, TN > d: July 29, 1943 in Eufaula, McIntosh Co, OK > ..........married Margaret Malvina Jernigan 1861 - 1938 b: June 12, 1861 > in > GA d: September 08, 1938 in Eufaula, Oklahoma > > Sally Ann Howell 1866 - 1943 b: September 23, 1866 in Patty, Polk Co., > TN d: > December 29, 1943 in Meeker, Lincoln Co., OK > ..........married James Wesley Tunnell 1844 - 1912 b: January 28, 1844 > in > McMinn Co., TN d: May 09, 1912 in Shawnee, Pottawatamie Co., OK > > > If you have any information on the Pleasant Howell family, please > contact me. > I have a lot of descendant info, which I am glad to share. Thank you. > > Connie Baumann > > > ==== HOWELL-SURNAME Mailing List ==== > Know of a great Howell research web site? > Post it on the list so that we can develop a directory for ease of > research! > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > > ______________________________

FANTASTIC IDEA. Will do my best to contribute, will enjoy everything from everyone else. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 29 October, 2001 2:01 AM Subject: HOWELL-D Digest V01 #276

Connie, This isn't your Pleasant, but as it is an uncommon name I thought this might fit in somewhere for you. If it does let me know as it will be of help to me. I have a little more, very little. William Howell, m - Frankey Wood (20 Dec 1807) son - Pleasant Austin Howell (b-28 Sep 1808; d - 3 Oct 1874 in Bedford Co VA) m - Selina Updike (b-3 Aug 1819 in Bedford Co VA; m-18 Jan 1842; d-23 Aug 1874 Bedford Co VA) CHILDREN 1- Frances W Howell 2- James A Howell (b-1845) 3- John W Howell (b-1848) 4- William Updike Howell (b-18 Oct 1852; d-6 Jul 1924) 5- Rebecca Mildred Howell (b-13 Dec 1853; d-21 Dec 1935) 6- Alexander W Howell (b-1854) 7- Milly Anthony Howell (b-1854) 8- Thomas A Howell (b-1859) Char B.

----- Original Message ----- From: Claire Love To: Bobbee Butler ; Betty Kirby Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 8:36 AM Subject: FW: Fw: a man of prayer -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Potter [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 8:48 AM To: Barbara Jo Green (E-mail 2); Beth Campbell (E-mail); Christine Hockin-Boyd (E-mail); Claire Love (E-mail); David Reese (E-mail); Gary Anthony (E-mail); Jan Anthony (E-mail); June Castle (E-mail); Lauren (E-mail); Pamela Culbertson (E-mail); Pat Cogburn (E-mail); Pat Luttrell (E-mail); Pat Luttrell (E-mail); Sue Giesecke (E-mail); WT Reese (E-mail) Subject: FW: Fw: a man of prayer Subject: a man of prayer > President Bush - Man of Prayer > > By Judy Keen, USA TODAY > > > > WASHINGTON - After President Bush met with Macedonian President Boris > > Trajkovski in the White House this month, Bush invited his guest into his > > private study. There, the two men knelt side by side in silent prayer. > > > > White House aides didn't mention that devotional interlude when they > > described Trajkovski's visit May 2 to reporters, and they were displeased > to > > learn that the private moment was about to become public. > > > > Religion infuses the president's daily life. Bush, 54, starts every day on > > his knees, praying. He reads the Bible each morning and studies a daily > Bible > > lesson. He often asks a Cabinet secretary to lead a prayer at the > beginning > > of Cabinet meetings. He says he frequently prays in the Oval Office. He > > sometimes prays on the phone with a minister friend who lives in Houston. > > > > Bush's family, friends and longtime aides say faith helped him quit > drinking, > > find his vocation in politics and check his fiery temper. He says it has > made > > him more humble and tolerant. > > > > "I find great comfort in my faith," he told Fox News last month. "It helps > me > > realize that I am a person that has a lot of responsibility, but I am just > a > > person - nothing more than a human being who seeks redemption, solace and > > strength through something greater than me." > > > > Overt expressions of faith by elected leaders can make some Americans > > uncomfortable. Some employees at the Justice Department say the daily > prayer > > sessions there, led by Attorney General John Ashcroft, make them feel they > > might be expected to participate. Bush's appeals to the religious right > > during his campaign made some people wary of his links to groups such as > the > > Christian Coalition and their socially conservative agenda. > > > > "Americans want a president to have a private, individual faith," says > Philip > > Goff, director of the Center for the Study of Religion and American > Culture > > at Indiana University-Purdue University in Indianapolis. "What most > Americans > > are uncomfortable with is the institutions of church and state > overlapping." > > > > Religion has been central to Bush's life since 1985, when he had a pivotal > > conversation with Rev. Billy Graham. At the time, Bush was in his late > 30s, > > hard partying and unfocused. He did not take his religion seriously. > Graham > > questioned him about his commitment to his faith, Bush wrote in his > > autobiography, A Charge to Keep, and "planted the seed of faith in my > heart. > > ... It was the beginning of a new walk where I would recommit my heart to > > Jesus Christ." > > > > He was raised an Episcopalian but became a Methodist when he got married > and > > joined the church of his wife, Laura. He spoke of his beliefs often during > > the campaign and said at his inauguration, "We are guided by a power > larger > > than ourselves who creates us equal in his image." > > > > Bush isn't reluctant to describe his active faith. "I pray all the time," > he > > said in the Fox News interview. "When I am alone in the Oval Office > (and) > > something might be on my mind ... I will pray. I don't think that I could > be > > sitting here as comfortable as I am and as peaceful as I am had it not > been > > for my religion." > > > > Bush's prayers in the Oval Office are usually solitary. But Trajkovski, > like > > Bush, is a Methodist. The Macedonian president is also a lay minister. > > Before the visit, Trajkovski's staff suggested to White House aides that > he > > would welcome a chance to pray with Bush. When Trajkovski entered the Oval > > Office for the formal meeting, Bush recognized a pin on his lapel. It was > the > > emblem of the United Methodist Church, a cross and a flame signifying the > > Holy Spirit. After their official conversation, Bush invited Trajkovski to > > join him in prayer. > > > > Bush's frequent references to God and his faith make Barry Lynn, executive > > director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, cringe. > > "When a president wears his religion on his sleeve as visibly as this one > > does ... he isn't simply using the bully pulpit to speak his mind," Lynn > > says. "He's trying to impose his religious views on other people." > > > > Some critics thought Bush exploited religion during the primary-election > > campaign. To build support among traditional Republican voters before a > > hard-fought South Carolina primary, he visited Bob Jones University, an > > evangelical school in Greenville that banned interracial dating and whose > > founder called Catholicism a cult. Another time, in a debate, he was asked > > what political philosopher or thinker he most identified with. He answered > > simply, "Christ, because he changed my heart." > > > > Since taking office, Bush has met often with clerics, including Catholic > > bishops and African-American ministers, at the White House and while > > traveling. When U.S. military personnel were being detained in China last > > month, he asked American officials to be sure they had Bibles if they > wanted > > them. He has proposed that religious groups operate some federal programs > for > > the needy. > > > > "Jesus says, 'Keep your piety in private,' " says Martin Marty, a > religious > > historian. "People like the notion that piety shapes a president's > morality > > ... but they know that policies backed by religion have to be scrutinized > > more than others." > > > > Kirbyjon Caldwell is senior pastor at Windsor Village United Methodist > Church > > in Houston and a Bush friend who sometimes prays with the president over > the > > phone. Caldwell says Bush's faith is such a significant part of his life > > that he can't help but talk about it. "The president's faith is > > extraordinarily important to him, not just for spiritual reasons but for > > professional, emotional, social and family reasons," Caldwell says. "The > > president allows his faith to permeate his entire being. He does not keep > his > > faith in a box and open it when he's in trouble." > > > > However, he doesn't impose it on anybody, his aides say. They see his > > expressions of faith as one key to his character. "I find it very > welcoming," > > says press secretary Ari Fleischer, who is Jewish. "It's a reminder for > > everyone about the importance of faith in our lives, and the president > > practices his so powerfully and so privately that it serves as a simple > > reminder of the American tradition of having a strong faith." > > > > Bush often attends church on Sundays, including services in the chapel at > > Camp David, Md., the presidential retreat, but he has not joined a church > in > > Washington. > > > > Other presidents have had deep religious convictions. During his > presidency, > > Jimmy Carter, a Baptist, taught Sunday school. Richard Nixon, a Quaker, > > invited evangelists to the White House. Abraham Lincoln never joined a > church > > but rarely gave a speech without references to God. Bill Clinton, a > Baptist, > > recited lengthy Bible > > passages from memory. John Adams, a Unitarian, studied for the ministry > > before becoming a lawyer. > > > > Bush has said he doesn't think of himself as an advocate for his religion, > > but he doesn't intend to hide his faith. "I am ... a lowly sinner who > sought > > redemption and found it," he told USA TODAY in January. "That doesn't make > me > > better than anybody, it just adds perspective, I hope. I think people are > > going to find that in tough times ... they're going to see a steady hand > > because the rock on which I stand is something other than the moment, the > > emotion of the day. Faith can be a steadying influence." > > > > Please forward on to all your friends and please continue to pray for our > > President. > > > > >> > >

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected] William Pleasant Howell is the suspected son of David Howell that married Rebecka Dixon Francis Franky Coleman Wood b August 24 1788 in either Amherst Co Va or Bedford Co Va, is the the daughter of Francis Wood and Judith Anglin Franky d July 13 1862 in Bedford Co. Bekkah > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > To post messages to the Howell discussion list, send them to > [email protected] > > >

Thomas Howell born 1801 Montgomery Va. mar.#1 Delila Wilson, 1820, Va. #2 Mellissa Gilham, Kirkpatrick, 1852. Thomas Howell died Jefferson County Iowa, buried Glasgow Cem. John Howell mar. Violet Harter. Very welling to share information. Carol [email protected]

Candi I just notice you have a William J. Howell b. 1812 in Kentucky. This is beginning to get rather interesting................. I think we are talking about the same William James Howell, but we don't show the same for parentage. William James Howell b. 1812/1813, Louisville. m. 3rd Ellen Minor Stone, Feb. 21, 1850. He died May 14, 1883 in Paris, Mo. Ellen Minor Stone, daughter of Thomas Stone and Francis Minor. Do you show children for William and Ellen? Brenda

Yes, here is another one. My John Howell was also born ? VA in 1767. Married Elizabeth Bonham in 1797. Migrated to Belmont Co OH - 1814 and Coshocton Co OH in 1827. Died in Coshocton Co 23 Sept. 1853. We think we have 2 brothers William and Benjamin. William married Elizabeth's sister and went to OH with them. Benjamin shows up abit later. He married to Eliza Ogle. When Benjamin and his wife (shortly after) she asks a nephew (or brother-in-law) Joseph Howell to take her oldest son. Hope this intrigues someone. Anyone out there missing this John in their family? Patt Carnevale Researching: Howell, Bonham, Arford, Pickard, Eskins,

Dear Candi- Who were your Howells that came from Bedford/Franklin Co Va. I might have them in my database. Thanks Rebekka ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [HOWELL] David Howell Bedford Co Va b abt 1750 > Rebekka -- > Thanks for posting your Howells. No connection yet, but I'm intrigued > by the uncommon given names of Larkin and Creed that I also find in my tree, > as well as the migration from Bedford VA to KY -- my folks started in the > Bedford/Franklin Co VA area, then migrated to Floyd and Nelson Counties in > KY, then Monroe Co in MO. > -- Candi Beard Nation > ------- > Subj: [HOWELL] Fw: Roll Call David Howell Bedford Co Va b abt 1750 > Date: 10/28/01 1:04:25 PM Central Standard Time > From: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> > Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> > To: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> > > > > My earliest Howell is David Howell b about 1750 in ? RW soldier. > > Would really love to know abt my David Howell Sr! Any other info on > = > > > these Howell families. > > > Thanks > > > Rebekka > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email > at <[email protected]>. > > >

Hi everyone, We knew it had to happen sooner or later ~ I'd do a quiz while not having had enough coffee and do the unthinkable ... a (oh, noooo!) dreaded typo! Yes cousins, I did it. :( In yesterday's Coffee I gave you a wrong answer to the Halloween trivia quiz. The correct answer to question #1 is 'a', not 'c'. However, turnips _were_ the first jack o'lanterns (believe it or not). You know, now that I really think about it ~ this couldn't have been a typo on _my_ part. It's just another case of the keys on my keyboard getting up and wandering around again! <g> It's a mystical, magical Monday today! I hope yours is MAGNIFICENT! :) Colleen

Colleen -- What will you think of next? Fantastic idea! And best of all -- gifts that keep on giving.... Count me in -- I'm getting excited already. I'm off to find just the perfect wrapping paper . Sounds like a busy pre-season for Santa Colleen tho'! -- Candi Beard Nation

Rebekka -- Thanks for posting your Howells. No connection yet, but I'm intrigued by the uncommon given names of Larkin and Creed that I also find in my tree, as well as the migration from Bedford VA to KY -- my folks started in the Bedford/Franklin Co VA area, then migrated to Floyd and Nelson Counties in KY, then Monroe Co in MO. -- Candi Beard Nation ------- Subj: [HOWELL] Fw: Roll Call David Howell Bedford Co Va b abt 1750 Date: 10/28/01 1:04:25 PM Central Standard Time From: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> > > My earliest Howell is David Howell b about 1750 in ? RW soldier. Would really love to know abt my David Howell Sr! Any other info on = > > these Howell families. > > Thanks > > Rebekka

Candice -- Sorry, but can't be the same William HOWELL. My guy is William J. Howell, born 23 April 1812 in Nelson Co., KY, born to Samuel Howell and Sarah Sally Pearl. William died 14 May 1883 in Monroe Co., MO. He married Ellen Stone in Nelson Co KY 21 Feb 1850. I entertain the possibility of another marriage prior to Ellen Stone, but an 1825 marriage might be pushing even 1800's Kentucky marriage ages! Good luck! -- Candi Beard Nation ----------- Subj: RE: [HOWELL] ROLL CALL:Samuel Howell, Abt 1770-1842 VA>KY>MO Date: 10/28/01 10:52:40 AM Central Standard Time From: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> Do you have any information on the child William? I have an ancestor William who is a brick wall. Census records show he was born around 1797/8 in either NC or VA. He married Maris Moorman in 1825 in Indiana. Could this be the same man? Thanks for your help Candice Becker [email protected]

Brenda -- I'll keep your John Howell info - he just might turn out to be one of the brothers to my Samuel Howell, also born VA. Samuel was born in Virginia (don't know yet which county) abt 1770, married in Floyd Co KY in 1810, owned land in Nelson Co KY, then I find him in Monroe Co., MO by 1838. Monroe County adjoins Marion County MO. -- Candi Beard Nation -------- Subj: [HOWELL] Roll Call Date: 10/28/01 7:10:11 AM Central Standard Time From: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> Still looking for information on John Howell b. abt. 1787, Va;.died 1857 Marion County, Mo. Brenda

Ernest (and any other interested Howell cousins) -- I'm still working on exact birth dates and spouses for those 11 Samuel HOWELL/Sarah Sally PEARL kids. My gg-gm is his daughter, Mary Wyatt Howell (BEARD). Samuel Howell's will, recently obtained from Monroe Co., MO, confirms my prior records as to names of children, altho the Will is sometimes difficult to read due to the flowery handwriting of the era. I was hoping the witnesses on the Will might provide some leads as to Samuel's parents or siblings, but...oh, well. The Will was written on 25 May 1841, and proven on 23 May 1842. Following are a few pertinent excerpted portions/paragraphs from his Will [my comments are in brackets]: "I give unto my beloved wife Sally [that would be Sarah Sally PEARL] the farm on which I live and all the land and real and personal property which I have or may have..." "...be equally divided among all my children to wit: William Howell, John E. Howell, Amanda M. Sparks, Nancy O. Livsey, Henry [I believe it says Henry, but possibly Harry] P. Howell, James H. Howell, Mary W. Beard, Joseph P. Howell, Sally Ann Howell, Eliza S. Howell, and Martha Howell, my youngest." "...title and interest in and to a certain tract or parcel of land by me sold to James Duncan (which said land lies in the County of Nelson in the State of Kentucky and which said sale by me was in the year 1836), and which said Duncan holds an obligation..." [Signed by] Samuel Howell "Signed and published in presence of William J. Howell and James C. Fox" Proven: "Subscribed and sworn to before me this 23rd day of May 1842" [signed] E. W. McBride, Clerk "Know all men by these presents that I, Wm. J. Howell, as principal, and Joseph Sproul [might be Sprowl], David S. Cooper, Jno [not a typo] A. Parsons, and J. Wilcoxson [later identified as Jefferson Wilcoxson] as my Security..." [signed and sealed by all above] "In testimony whereof I as Clerk aforesaid have set my hand and affixed the seal of Monroe County Court at office in Paris this 25th day of May A.D. 1842. [signed] E. W. McBride -------- Hope this helps some of you out there. If you have anything to add or contribute about any of these folks mentioned, I'd sure appreciate hearing it. -- Candi Beard Nation -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Howell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 2:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [HOWELL] ROLL CALL: Samuel Howell, Abt 1770-1842 VA>KY>MO My records show that I got some information from you on July 22, 2001. I have not found additional information. Do you have any dates for the girls? Who they may have married or children? Thanks for your information. Ernest

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North West Arkansas, Franklin Co Marriage Books July 16, 1890 Samuel PATRICK,25 m. Mattie Mayner, 21 Sam and Mattie are buried at Oak Ridge Cemetery. Mattie died young and was said to be the love of Samuel's life. Abt. 1895, Samuel PATRICK later m. my GGM Addie Brooks HOWELL. They had several children. Aug. 12, 1896 Ida HOWELL, 17 m. Geo. W. PATRICK 17 July 23 1902 Ada HOWELL m. Miles MULLEN. Ada and Ida Howell, may have been my Great Aunts if they were the daughters of Crowell HOWELL. I believe there was an Ida and an Ada b. to Crowell HOWELL. Feb 25, 1907 Crowell HOWELL, son of Crowell HOWELL, 19 m. Letha Faubus 18, There are several infants b. at Oak Ridge Cemetery at Jethro that were the children of Crowell HOWELL and Letha Faubus. It was said they went to OK and had a son named Roscoe as well as others. My GF, Roscoe HOWELL was b. July 6, 1892, Ozark, AK d. Feb. 17, 1965, Belle Fourche SD. He spoke little of his Arkansas family to anyone. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Sometimes you make copies at courthouses and forget to label them. I copied these when I was in NW ARK. None of them were recognized as being in my line so perhaps I was a little sloppy wit them. Now, I can't remember what it came from. Perhaps the FlashBack books Index. Perhaps a Death Index..? Sheila Anyhow here are the names: HOWELL: David O., 52 Eliza Jane, 144 Geo. W., 144 Homer F., 12 Infant Son, 12 Lois E. 12 Louis M. 144 Luminy, 209 Marjorie, 209 Mike 21 Miles H., 208 R. G., 144 Raphel L. 144 Sarah, 89 I do recognized Luminy, 209, as probably the deaf mute who was buried at Oak Ridge Cemetary, North of Ozark by Jethro. The records I find on him give guardianship to a Patrick I believe, but no names of parents. I will put in more information on him when I come across them. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp