Has anyone considered doing a family site on myfamily.com. I'm on a family site with them and it is great. We post pictures information,files,and no problem. You have to have a password but all it takes is an invite to be in it but any member can do it. Colleen could also keep her web site. It would just take some of the burden off of her. and its free.

Hi Colleen, Thanks for all you've done. Could we become our own domain and be a .org address, or does that involve alot more work and money?? Contributions may work for this year as alot of us have been with the Howell-List before you had it, but I don't think it's something you can count on! I'll contribute this year, but I don't think people will keep on contributing once they find their lineage back across the ocean! I think we need to start some type of association website or something, as alot of Lou Pero's information has never been put on the new Howell website, and things are being lost. Paula Chodacki ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 8:00 PM Subject: HOWELL-D Digest V01 #331

Tom, et al ... Those of you searching lines with both Howell and Gibson - anyone with a Harrison connection? Please email me.

I trust Colleen's judgment as to what would be best for the family and for her, since she is the one that makes this the wonderful site that it is. I for one have no problem with helping financially. Rosalie

Seems to me the best thing to do would be to stay at Geocities and pay the fee needed to keep the site going. If in a few months we (or Colleen) find a better home, then we can move. We all must have an idea the amount of work that was put into this site and it can't be an easy thing to move. I will be more than happy to donate the first month fee for * GeoCities Webmaster ... [gives you] a generous 20 gigabytes of monthly data transfer lets you provide high-resolution images, multi-media files, and enough page views for even the most popular sites. [this for $11.95 a month] Great job Colleen! Thank you Elona Smith

When I click on the link, get "This page cannot be displayed" message. Any suggestions? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 25 December, 2001 6:00 PM Subject: HOWELL-D Digest V01 #326

Colleen, What do YOU feel would be the best decision? Most probably it will require money in some way or another. What is involved in option #4? <<4. Open our own domain [the Howell Research CENTER?]. After receiving these notices, this had become one of my plans for the coming year anyway, but I'd cast it aside as being an expense I can't shoulder alone. If enough of the cousins want to get together and help me pay for one, I'll get us set up. >> Micki in Florida

4. Open our own domain [the Howell Research CENTER?]. After receiving these notices, this had become one of my plans for the coming year anyway, but I'd cast it aside as being an expense I can't shoulder alone. If enough of the cousins want to get together and help me pay for one, I'll get us set up. How much will doing this cost?

Tom, I have many of the names you are researching in my family. I have Watkins, Brooks, Cain, Clements, Gibson, Howell (of course), Parrish and Walls. If you would like to compare and see if we connect feel free to email me. Char B. [email protected]

Colleen: Why not a free site at RootsWeb? They offer unlimited space and I have heard of no complaints on bandwidth. However, no zip or ged files stored there. Perhaps there are "work arounds" to avoid needing server side access. Thanks for all of your hard work! Tom Watkins W_a_t_k_n_s, B_o_o_t_h, B_r_o_o_k_s, C_a_i_n, C_l_e_m_e_n_t_s, G_i_b_s_o_n, H_o_w_e_l_l, L_a_s_s_i_t_e_r, M_a_r_s_h, P_a_r_r_i_s_h, R_e_e_v_e_s, W_a_l_l_s, W_i_l_c_o_x http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tew4515/ http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=tew4515 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Colleen, I support what ever makes the most sense to you, including financial contribution. Brenda

You may find this interesting...$7.77/month. $15.00 for domain registration. http://www.powweb.com/ Makes sense to me. Bill Howell At 10:11 PM 12/27/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Hi family, > >Well, I had planned to hold this discussion over until January, but I've >received so, so (A TON!) many complaints that I guess I'd better address >this issue now. I warn you though... what I have to tell you could make >your frustration worse; then again, knowing what's happening could make >it ease up a little. > >When I first signed us up for GeoCities, there was nothing about limited >data transfer. Somewhere along the past several months, Yahoo decided >that if we were going to have free spaces at GeoCities, we would be >budgeted on how many hits our site could receive and home much of our >images/graphics/data would be allowed for viewing in a month. Just when >this new development took place, I couldn't say. But I will tell you >that since Thanksgiving, when I put the Christmas pages online, I've >received no LESS than 11 notices from GeoCities ~ the very same of the >one I'm copying and pasting below. I say no less because I deleted a >bunch of them and have lost count past eleven. :-( > >(Before I go further though, I also want you to know that a good many of >you are complaining about those double pop-ups on every page. After >being locked out, the ads are by and far your major irritation.) > >I'll paste one of GeoCities' messages here, but will have more to say >beneath it. Note the date, for I have received MANY more since; but >then you all already know about that: > >-------- Original Message -------- >Subject: Your Data Transfer Status >Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 21:23:08 -0800 (PST) >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] > >Dear GeoCities Member, > >Congratulations, http://www.geocities.com/howell_research seems to >be very popular and has been receiving a large amount of traffic. >Our records indicate that you're using more than the allotted amount >of data transfer we provide for a free web site, which is 3 gigabytes >per month (measured on an hourly basis). That means that during the >past few days we had to temporarily turn your site off to keep the >bandwidth within this limit. > >What can I do? > >Keep in mind that large files such as images and multimedia files >can effect your data transfer greatly. A single web page that >contains 200,000 bytes of images will only be able to be viewed >about 20-25 times an hour. By keeping your file sizes and page >sizes as small as possible, you can maximize the amount of page views >your site can produce. > >You can also upgrade your site to one of our new premium services, >GeoCities Pro or GeoCities Webmaster. These packages allow for 10 and >20 gigabytes of data transfer per month, and also give you the option of >purchasing unlimited data transfer so your site will always be >accessible. > >These packages also enable you to run an ad-free site at your own >domain name (for example, www.howell_research.com) AND get matching >email accounts at that domain (like [email protected]_research.com). > >For more information about our new packages, please visit > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info3 > >Upgrading your current GeoCities site to one of our new premium packages >is simple. You don't have to move ANY of your files, and your current >GeoCities web address will continue to work in addition to your domain. > >If you'd prefer not to receive this notice in the future, just go to >http://geocities.yahoo.com/opt/bwemail to take your name off of the >notify list. Of course, our servers will continue to monitor your >site's data usage and turn it off if it exceeds the limits. > >Thank you, > >Yahoo! GeoCities >http://geocities.yahoo.com/ > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >You've seen messages with the cousins complaining they can't see the >tree. I've received many, many here privately. > >It's patently obvious we need to do something ~ and fast. If WE can't >get into our own site, what's happening with our visitors?... the >surfing public who want to see our material? If they can't get in, >chances are they won't be back. > >You, and our visitors are not the only ones getting locked out. So am >I. When our data transfer reaches its limits, even I can't in. If I >need to upload files (as I was doing at Christmas) and check them to >make sure they're loading properly, should we be in one of those "locked >out" periods, I am too. :( > >This isn't what is supposed to have been happening with your/our data. > >GeoCities says, you want the lock outs stopped then buy some space. >Read below: > >* The GeoCities Pro package comes with 25MB of space for your files, and >a generous 10GB of data transfer per month. And if your demands grow, so >can your site. Extra space and transfer are affordable, and just a click >away! [pay $8.95 a month for this] > >* GeoCities Webmaster ... [gives you] a generous 20 gigabytes of monthly >data transfer lets you provide high-resolution images, multi-media >files, and enough page views for even the most popular sites. [this for >$11.95 a month] > >We can do one of several things but this is a FAMILY DECISION. Why? >Because I've told you all from the start that the Research Room is OURS >~ not mine. I only maintain it. If it weren't for all of us feeding >data into it, we wouldn't have as nice a site as we already do. I've >also told you that I will NEVER, but NEVER move our home without >discussing it with you first. Your data is there and I refuse to >arbitrarily move it without talking to all of you first. You have as >much a vested interest in the Research Room's cyberspace placement as I >do. The majority rules ... > >Here are our options as I see them: > >1. Stay with GeoCities and cut back on the graphics we display. No >large pictures, maps, certificates, etc. and, if we continue to be >locked out ~ then no pictures, maps, certificates and the like at all. > >2. Move to another free site. I can try and find another site that >will allow us a large space (we have 15 gigs now) and reasonable data >transfer (at least 5 gigs). That's going to be difficult and will take >some time. The only other site I know of with these requirements is >Crosswinds and they're falling apart over there with many of their sites >not even showing up online. > >The next two involve money, I'm sorry to report: > >3. Stay with GeoCities and rent space from them at the rate of $8.95 or >$11.95 a month [above]. I don't know if this will rid us of the ads. > >4. Open our own domain [the Howell Research CENTER?]. After receiving >these notices, this had become one of my plans for the coming year >anyway, but I'd cast it aside as being an expense I can't shoulder >alone. If enough of the cousins want to get together and help me pay >for one, I'll get us set up. > >If you have other ideas I'm certainly open to them. But, whatever we >decide here, we need to decide it quickly. Our surfing traffic is going >to be patient for only so long. After all, look at the frustration >*we're* all feeling. > >We're faced with a decision. What to do? I need to know how you all >feel about this so if I have to, I'll have a direction to head for. If >you decide to discuss it openly with the family please be sure to use >the CHAT: forum to do so. Use the subject line CHAT: GEOCITIES WOES. >As always, you're welcome to e-mail your opinions to me privately at ><[email protected]>. > >Family ... it's what we're all about and this time, it's about us. > >Colleen > > >==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== >Our homesite is the Howell Research Room located at > <http://www.geocities.com/howell_research>.

I am interested in your Cains' and Howells u mentioned on bottom of ur msg - I have a David William Howell who married Emily Cain. have lots of info on the Cains and Howells and have a lot left to get. Your line may not be mine but thought I wld ck. Lynn Kappelman w/o Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Watkins <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 1:44 PM Subject: [HOWELL] Howell Research Room > Colleen: > > Why not a free site at RootsWeb? They offer unlimited space and I have heard > of no complaints on bandwidth. However, no zip or ged files stored there. > > Perhaps there are "work arounds" to avoid needing server side access. > > Thanks for all of your hard work! > > Tom Watkins > > W_a_t_k_n_s, B_o_o_t_h, B_r_o_o_k_s, C_a_i_n, C_l_e_m_e_n_t_s, G_i_b_s_o_n, > H_o_w_e_l_l, L_a_s_s_i_t_e_r, M_a_r_s_h, P_a_r_r_i_s_h, R_e_e_v_e_s, > W_a_l_l_s, W_i_l_c_o_x > > > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tew4515/ > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=tew4515 > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email > at <[email protected]>. >

Hi, Find another free site... Dixie Lea in K.C... ----- Original Message ----- From: Colleen Pustola To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 12:30 AM Subject: [HOWELL] CHAT: GEOCITIES WOES Hi again family, I can tell this is going to be a major topic of discussion for us. Not even a full hour has gone by and already six of you have emailed me. I need to tell you the support is *extremely* appreciated. But you need to tell me (and each other) just what it is you're supporting and in favor of. Do you... * Want to stay at GeoCities and upgrade to one of their packages? * Want to get out of GeoCities and open our own domain? * Want to leave things as they are? :) * Want me to find another free site that can handle our traffic and data transfer rate? Please cousins, you must be specific or I won't know what you want; neither will the rest of the family. The first message should reach everyone by Saturday, giving all a chance to read it. Hopefully, I'll be able to give you your decision at Sunday's Coffee and we go from there. If I don't hear from enough of you by Saturday night, then I'll hold over until next week sometime. Thanks everyone. Colleen ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== Please do not send messages with attachments, HTML, MIME, or any other enhanced text to the list. RootsWeb does not allow messages with those settings through their servers and will only return them to you.

Hi, I don't want to pay for nuthin'... I pay for MSN and that's about all I can afford !!! I'm a widow on S.S... I'll never pay for Ancestry, either... They gave "us" a 2 week free trial, last year, and I didn't find one thing more, than I already had, for free from the library... Dixie Lea in K.C... ----- Original Message ----- From: Colleen Pustola To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 11:11 PM Subject: [HOWELL] CHAT: EVERYONE PLEASE READ ~ GEOCITIES WOES Hi family, Well, I had planned to hold this discussion over until January, but I've received so, so (A TON!) many complaints that I guess I'd better address this issue now. I warn you though... what I have to tell you could make your frustration worse; then again, knowing what's happening could make it ease up a little. When I first signed us up for GeoCities, there was nothing about limited data transfer. Somewhere along the past several months, Yahoo decided that if we were going to have free spaces at GeoCities, we would be budgeted on how many hits our site could receive and home much of our images/graphics/data would be allowed for viewing in a month. Just when this new development took place, I couldn't say. But I will tell you that since Thanksgiving, when I put the Christmas pages online, I've received no LESS than 11 notices from GeoCities ~ the very same of the one I'm copying and pasting below. I say no less because I deleted a bunch of them and have lost count past eleven. :-( (Before I go further though, I also want you to know that a good many of you are complaining about those double pop-ups on every page. After being locked out, the ads are by and far your major irritation.) I'll paste one of GeoCities' messages here, but will have more to say beneath it. Note the date, for I have received MANY more since; but then you all already know about that: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Your Data Transfer Status Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 21:23:08 -0800 (PST) From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Dear GeoCities Member, Congratulations, http://www.geocities.com/howell_research seems to be very popular and has been receiving a large amount of traffic. Our records indicate that you're using more than the allotted amount of data transfer we provide for a free web site, which is 3 gigabytes per month (measured on an hourly basis). That means that during the past few days we had to temporarily turn your site off to keep the bandwidth within this limit. What can I do? Keep in mind that large files such as images and multimedia files can effect your data transfer greatly. A single web page that contains 200,000 bytes of images will only be able to be viewed about 20-25 times an hour. By keeping your file sizes and page sizes as small as possible, you can maximize the amount of page views your site can produce. You can also upgrade your site to one of our new premium services, GeoCities Pro or GeoCities Webmaster. These packages allow for 10 and 20 gigabytes of data transfer per month, and also give you the option of purchasing unlimited data transfer so your site will always be accessible. These packages also enable you to run an ad-free site at your own domain name (for example, www.howell_research.com) AND get matching email accounts at that domain (like [email protected]_research.com). For more information about our new packages, please visit http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info3 Upgrading your current GeoCities site to one of our new premium packages is simple. You don't have to move ANY of your files, and your current GeoCities web address will continue to work in addition to your domain. If you'd prefer not to receive this notice in the future, just go to http://geocities.yahoo.com/opt/bwemail to take your name off of the notify list. Of course, our servers will continue to monitor your site's data usage and turn it off if it exceeds the limits. Thank you, Yahoo! GeoCities http://geocities.yahoo.com/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You've seen messages with the cousins complaining they can't see the tree. I've received many, many here privately. It's patently obvious we need to do something ~ and fast. If WE can't get into our own site, what's happening with our visitors?... the surfing public who want to see our material? If they can't get in, chances are they won't be back. You, and our visitors are not the only ones getting locked out. So am I. When our data transfer reaches its limits, even I can't in. If I need to upload files (as I was doing at Christmas) and check them to make sure they're loading properly, should we be in one of those "locked out" periods, I am too. :( This isn't what is supposed to have been happening with your/our data. GeoCities says, you want the lock outs stopped then buy some space. Read below: * The GeoCities Pro package comes with 25MB of space for your files, and a generous 10GB of data transfer per month. And if your demands grow, so can your site. Extra space and transfer are affordable, and just a click away! [pay $8.95 a month for this] * GeoCities Webmaster ... [gives you] a generous 20 gigabytes of monthly data transfer lets you provide high-resolution images, multi-media files, and enough page views for even the most popular sites. [this for $11.95 a month] We can do one of several things but this is a FAMILY DECISION. Why? Because I've told you all from the start that the Research Room is OURS ~ not mine. I only maintain it. If it weren't for all of us feeding data into it, we wouldn't have as nice a site as we already do. I've also told you that I will NEVER, but NEVER move our home without discussing it with you first. Your data is there and I refuse to arbitrarily move it without talking to all of you first. You have as much a vested interest in the Research Room's cyberspace placement as I do. The majority rules ... Here are our options as I see them: 1. Stay with GeoCities and cut back on the graphics we display. No large pictures, maps, certificates, etc. and, if we continue to be locked out ~ then no pictures, maps, certificates and the like at all. 2. Move to another free site. I can try and find another site that will allow us a large space (we have 15 gigs now) and reasonable data transfer (at least 5 gigs). That's going to be difficult and will take some time. The only other site I know of with these requirements is Crosswinds and they're falling apart over there with many of their sites not even showing up online. The next two involve money, I'm sorry to report: 3. Stay with GeoCities and rent space from them at the rate of $8.95 or $11.95 a month [above]. I don't know if this will rid us of the ads. 4. Open our own domain [the Howell Research CENTER?]. After receiving these notices, this had become one of my plans for the coming year anyway, but I'd cast it aside as being an expense I can't shoulder alone. If enough of the cousins want to get together and help me pay for one, I'll get us set up. If you have other ideas I'm certainly open to them. But, whatever we decide here, we need to decide it quickly. Our surfing traffic is going to be patient for only so long. After all, look at the frustration *we're* all feeling. We're faced with a decision. What to do? I need to know how you all feel about this so if I have to, I'll have a direction to head for. If you decide to discuss it openly with the family please be sure to use the CHAT: forum to do so. Use the subject line CHAT: GEOCITIES WOES. As always, you're welcome to e-mail your opinions to me privately at <[email protected]>. Family ... it's what we're all about and this time, it's about us. Colleen ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== Our homesite is the Howell Research Room located at <http://www.geocities.com/howell_research>.

Tom: I see you are researching both Howell and Wilcox, among your surnames.. I am, too. I wonder if we are looking at the same ancestors? Stacey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Watkins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 1:44 PM Subject: [HOWELL] Howell Research Room > Colleen: > > Why not a free site at RootsWeb? They offer unlimited space and I have heard > of no complaints on bandwidth. However, no zip or ged files stored there. > > Perhaps there are "work arounds" to avoid needing server side access. > > Thanks for all of your hard work! > > Tom Watkins > > W_a_t_k_n_s, B_o_o_t_h, B_r_o_o_k_s, C_a_i_n, C_l_e_m_e_n_t_s, G_i_b_s_o_n, > H_o_w_e_l_l, L_a_s_s_i_t_e_r, M_a_r_s_h, P_a_r_r_i_s_h, R_e_e_v_e_s, > W_a_l_l_s, W_i_l_c_o_x > > > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tew4515/ > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=tew4515 > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email > at <[email protected]>. > >

Hi Colleen, I have two sites on Geocities, using their GeoPlus program. One is my personal site, one is for the Edward Howell Family Association. During the first two years of the EHFA site, the Association reimbursed me for the monthly GeoPlus costs and the domain registration fee (now I choose to absorb the costs as my donation to the EHFA). I've never had any problems with data transfer with GeoPlus, if that's the way the family wants to go. At $12 a month on geocities, and $35 a year for a domain name (nice but not absolutely necessary), we would need a $1 donation from roughly half of the Howell-L membership. I would imagine that with everything you have done for the family, that won't be difficult! Or, we can look for donated server space on a smaller ISP. I admin a BMW club site, and I approached a local ISP for server space. They donated it right away, in exchange for a small mention (not a banner ad!) as an in-kind donor. If we do get server space donated, then we can either go for a domain name, or not. Perhaps we have a family member who owns or works at an ISP, or has their own server? I will be going on assignment in January, but I'll volunteer to make some inquiries before I go if you would like me to. Just let me know. The HRR is a *very* welcome addition to the family, and I for one don't want to see it reduced one whit. Kristen

To the list owner, I buy a lot on E Bay and I've sold a few items there too. If you decide to pay GeoCities I suggest you set up an account at PayPay.com. I have an account and it's real easy to send small sums, a few dollars, to a person who has an account. It's like Western Union for email. However, it's not very easy for a person to get their money if they don't already have an account. I sent my daughter some money for a Christmas present via PayPal and she said it was a lot of work filling out their forms for just one payment. Also, I think they charged her a percentage, 3 % or something, to send her a check. But it's a great service for sending a few dollars to people who are set up to recieve it, for sending the small sums we normally send another researcher for postage or copies. Eventually I think most credit cards will offer a similar service. Grant W. Johnston,

Good morning, I too think that we need to do whatever it takes to keep all of our hard work going.I am not an expert on how to go about it but I would be glad to contribute to whatever it takes that is the easiest for Colleen.If it is easier to stay with Geocities and pay then that seems to be what should be done.I don't think it would hurt anyone doing research to contribute a dollar or two a month.I am sure we all spend more than that for leads,trips and to pay for look-ups.I myself am very willing to do as much as I can to keep us going.I think whichever way Colleen prefers would be best since she is the one doing most of the work. Happy New Year and God Bless Us All, Jeany In Indiana

My first message was to your e-mail, so as not clutter up this sight. If Geocities is fair, stay, would save you much time. I do not know the mechanics of these sights, I just enjoy. After all your effort, I believe enough space for the traffic is important. What ever you all perfer, I will happily donate. Ninetta -Oklahoma City