Hey Will, There's lots of people out there who would rather believe what they think is true.. than accept documentation that proves what IS the truth!! Believe me, I'll take the documentation and it's truth.. Jackie Researching the families of: Morgan, Brewer, Howell, Ballard, Beck, Ricker, Knight, Woods, Simmons and Buffington ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie D Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Howell of Wayne Co., NC They're related to old John Howell the preacher who died around 1836 or 1846 with a will. He lived on Falling Creek or something like like, and served in Capt. Nathaniel Williams 2nd N.C. Battalion during the Revolutionary War. He's the fellow my bunch claimed was John "Hamilton" Howell, who they claim is buried under a phoney DAR monument at Elrod Cemetery in White County, TN. I've proved beyond doubt that the man never left Wayne County, N.C., and is NOT our ancestor. Needless to say, some of the Howells up there in White County ain't too happy with me, preferring obviously to believe lying tradition over the truth as revealed in the actual documentation. Will ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacquelyn Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Howell of Wayne Co., NC > Wynell, > Ancestry.com list the following for Wayne Co., NC > 1840: Howell, John Fork River Dist > Howell, John Boswells Dist. > Howell, John No dist. listed age 87 > > 1850: There are three John Howells listed all in the Neuse Northside Dist. > > 1860: There are six John Howells listed , only one has the initial included.. John W. Howell Fork Dist > > 1870: there are three listed.. no initials on any > > I have the 1880 census.. Wayne Co. list 2 John Howell.. > 1...John W. Howell age 53, wife Eliza, age 51.. No children listed.. but has "Other" William L. Pearson, age 30.. (away at college) > > 2. John Howell, age 60, wife Betsy, age 50.. no others in the household > > But my John William Howell, would have had to be in or around Buncombe Co., NC in 1844.. > > Jackie > > > > > > Researching the families of: Morgan, Brewer, Howell, Ballard, Beck, Ricker, Knight, Woods, Simmons and Buffington > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wynell Simpson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 3:06 PM > Subject: [HOWELL] Howell of Wayne Co., NC > > > Jackie, > > Our John Howell had a son named David Howell. David died in Wayne Co., NC leaving a will written Sep 8 1847 proven Nov. Court 1849 > Sons: John William and James R. [Robert]; daughters: Jane Holland, Dolly Howell, and Sally Edwards; executor: Peter L. Peacock; witnesses: B. W. Raiford and N. T. Perkins. > > This David Howell was born about 1780 (guess). > > You might want to consider this John William Howell. I was not able to find him on the 1850 or 1860 census in Wayne County. > > Do you have your John William Howell on a census? What did he name his children? > > We believe our John Howell is the son of Joshua Howell who died 1799 in Wayne Co., NC,but we have no proof. Joshua had a son named John and a grandson named Lewis, but there were several Johns and Lewises in the County at that time. My ancestor is John Howell's son Lewis Howell b. 1778. > > Good luck > > Wynell > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Jacquelyn Smith" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:17 AM > Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Ref:Grayson, Loudoun, Botetourt > > . . . Did any of these Howell folks come thru North Carolina before moving on to > TN? I have a William Howell b. 1844 in Buncombe Co., NC who married the > daughter of William Morgan and Amelia (Millie) BREWER Morgan (from N.C., but > moved to TN in 1845) in Jefferson Co., TN in 1866.. William Howell's death > certificate says his father was John William Howell.. One of his (my > William) son's was named Andrew Mack Howell and is my g grandfather.. We > have not been able to locate any information on our William Howell before > 1865.. Thanks > > Jackie > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email > at <[email protected]>. > > > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the HOWELL discussion list, send a message to [email protected] (mail mode) or [email protected] (digest) with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from the HOWELL discussion list, send a message to [email protected] (mail mode) or [email protected] (digest) with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.

More on John Howell b. 1753 Wayne Co., NC and died 1843 Wayne Co., NC age 90. Regarding the census information for John William Howell. What I should have said is that I cannot identify any of the John Howell's on the Wayne Co., NC census to be John William Howell, son of David Howell. This John Howell on the 1860 census could be him, but I am not sure. He named a son James R. Perhaps John William Howell named him after his brother James Robert Howell. Wayne Co., NC 1860 census 333,328,John W. Howell, 34, M,,Farmer,,,",,,1,, ,,Serena ",24,F,,,,,",,,,, ,,James R. ",3,M,,,,,",,,,, ,,Alvin G. ",7,M,,,,,",,,,, 15 June 1860, Fork District, Post Office Goldsboro. Page No. 42 [Page 501B on this reel] 1840 census Wayne Co., NC David Howell 2 houses away from John 0110001-00111 This John Howell on the 1840 census is our John b. 1753. 1840 Wayne Co., NC John Howell: age 87 Rev. War Pensioner "Persons in Learned Professions and Engineers." [fortunately the 1840 census gives this info on Revolutionary soldiers.] 31 slaves 12 in Agriculture. Alice Cheek lived next door 1 f 50-60, 1 m. 20-30, [Alice Cheek is the daughter of John Howell. She is the widow of Henry Cheek.] What I would really, really like to find out is proof of the name of John Howell's wife. I believe she is Isabell Jernigan. I have lots of clues for that, but no real proof. She was deceased by the time he applied for pension for his Rev. War service. She was not living with him on 1840 census, and she was not mentioned in his will or probate when he died in 1843. Wynell

They're related to old John Howell the preacher who died around 1836 or 1846 with a will. He lived on Falling Creek or something like like, and served in Capt. Nathaniel Williams 2nd N.C. Battalion during the Revolutionary War. He's the fellow my bunch claimed was John "Hamilton" Howell, who they claim is buried under a phoney DAR monument at Elrod Cemetery in White County, TN. I've proved beyond doubt that the man never left Wayne County, N.C., and is NOT our ancestor. Needless to say, some of the Howells up there in White County ain't too happy with me, preferring obviously to believe lying tradition over the truth as revealed in the actual documentation. Will ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacquelyn Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Howell of Wayne Co., NC > Wynell, > Ancestry.com list the following for Wayne Co., NC > 1840: Howell, John Fork River Dist > Howell, John Boswells Dist. > Howell, John No dist. listed age 87 > > 1850: There are three John Howells listed all in the Neuse Northside Dist. > > 1860: There are six John Howells listed , only one has the initial included.. John W. Howell Fork Dist > > 1870: there are three listed.. no initials on any > > I have the 1880 census.. Wayne Co. list 2 John Howell.. > 1...John W. Howell age 53, wife Eliza, age 51.. No children listed.. but has "Other" William L. Pearson, age 30.. (away at college) > > 2. John Howell, age 60, wife Betsy, age 50.. no others in the household > > But my John William Howell, would have had to be in or around Buncombe Co., NC in 1844.. > > Jackie > > > > > > Researching the families of: Morgan, Brewer, Howell, Ballard, Beck, Ricker, Knight, Woods, Simmons and Buffington > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wynell Simpson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 3:06 PM > Subject: [HOWELL] Howell of Wayne Co., NC > > > Jackie, > > Our John Howell had a son named David Howell. David died in Wayne Co., NC leaving a will written Sep 8 1847 proven Nov. Court 1849 > Sons: John William and James R. [Robert]; daughters: Jane Holland, Dolly Howell, and Sally Edwards; executor: Peter L. Peacock; witnesses: B. W. Raiford and N. T. Perkins. > > This David Howell was born about 1780 (guess). > > You might want to consider this John William Howell. I was not able to find him on the 1850 or 1860 census in Wayne County. > > Do you have your John William Howell on a census? What did he name his children? > > We believe our John Howell is the son of Joshua Howell who died 1799 in Wayne Co., NC,but we have no proof. Joshua had a son named John and a grandson named Lewis, but there were several Johns and Lewises in the County at that time. My ancestor is John Howell's son Lewis Howell b. 1778. > > Good luck > > Wynell > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Jacquelyn Smith" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:17 AM > Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Ref:Grayson, Loudoun, Botetourt > > . . . Did any of these Howell folks come thru North Carolina before moving on to > TN? I have a William Howell b. 1844 in Buncombe Co., NC who married the > daughter of William Morgan and Amelia (Millie) BREWER Morgan (from N.C., but > moved to TN in 1845) in Jefferson Co., TN in 1866.. William Howell's death > certificate says his father was John William Howell.. One of his (my > William) son's was named Andrew Mack Howell and is my g grandfather.. We > have not been able to locate any information on our William Howell before > 1865.. Thanks > > Jackie > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email > at <[email protected]>. > > > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the HOWELL discussion list, send a message to [email protected] (mail mode) or [email protected] (digest) with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. >

I had always wondered what happened to James Howell as I could never find info on him. Most of the Putnam County records burned in 1899, so that would explain why you were unable to find much. The yanks burned it the first time in 1865, then it burned again in 1899. There are a lot of Stones in that area. One of the Rices married a Stone but they moved out to McCracken County, Kentucky by 1900. I think it was Joseph Douglas Rice who married a Stone, but not exactly sure. Anyway, I'd love to have more info on James Howell's family, as I had no info on his line. Please keep in touch! Will ----- Original Message ----- From: "john t roark" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 3:18 PM Subject: [HOWELL] John & Nancy > Hi Will, > When I first started looking into my husband's Howell roots I had seen a > lot of your mail but since I got the nerve to ask questions you seem to > have dropped out of sight.My husband is the grandson of Robert Daniel > Roark,son of Peter Ruark(Roark) and Tabitha Howell.Robert was born in > Cooksville,Tenn.in 1877.His father deserted the family and his mother died > when he was 9.He was sent to Tx.and was raised by Tabitha's brother.Tabitha > was the daughter of James Howell and Elizabeth Stone and James was the son > of John Howell and Nancy Brewer.I have found all of Tabitha's siblings in > White Co.census.However I haven't been able to place her mother Elizabeth > Stone with a family.Would you happen to know anything about her.Although a > lot of the siblings were married in White Co.I have found know record for > Peter Ruark and Tabitha Howell or James Howell and Elizabeth Stone.Tabitha > was in her parents house at the age of 14 in the 1870 census.Then in 1880 > in Putnam Co.Tn.with Peter Ruark,age 55,blacksmith b.Ky..Tabitha age 23 > b.Tn.Robert age 3,b.Tn.and Joanna age 11/12 b.Tn..I am not sure if this > Peter was Ruark or Roark.In this census it is Ruark.I found Robert in > Tx.1900 I think age 22 and his name is Roark.I have found Peter with both > name in Ky.put can't find anything to say any of them is this one.A > grandson always said that he returned to Ky. and met with less than > honorable death.If you have any info on Elizabeth Stone I could sure use > some help.I have the descendants of Tabitha if you are interested.I have > also identified her brother William(Bill) Howell who lived an died in Allen > Co.Ky..I have a copy from the book at the funeral home naming his parents > as James Howell and Elizabeth Stone.It listed know children for Bill.Robert > came to Allen Co.as a young man to live with the Howells that were > there.That is where he met and married my husband's grandmother Matilda > Elizabeth(May)Johnson. > Thanks for letting me bend your ear, > Jeany in Indiana > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > Please avoid flaming (attacking) any single person or the group. This infraction will earn you immediate removal from the list. >

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I have several deadends in this Howell chase! Can anyone help me? 1. John Howell born in 1806 in North Carolina, son, maybe?, of Thomas Howell. Married Rachel L. Brown, had 10 children. 2. Who is Thomas Howell? Where did he come from? The children were: Cynthia Elizabeth Howell married (1) Daniel Beshears (2) Robert Frances P'Poole. She was born in Caldwell County, Kentucky John R. Howell born 1831 married Susan McKnight James H. Howell born abt. 1833 married Mary Coy Sally Howell born abt. 1834 Nathan Howell born about 1836 Eliza Howell born abt. 1839 Miles Howell born abt. 1843 David W. Howell born abt. 1845 married Nancy J. Bruff Mary Ann Howell born abt. 1843 married James Logan Alexander Meredith J. Howell born abt. 1935 married Lucinda Dunning 3. Another deadend, is Robert Howell born about 1875 Caldwell County, Kentucky. He married Margaret Ann Nichols. She was also born in Caldwell County, Kentucky. They had 1 child that I know of: Ollie Howell. She was born about 1896. She married Jackson Eli. 4. Sybil Dawson Howell born about 1831. She married Berry Greenberry Burris. He was born in Bedford County, Tennessee. I have no place of birth for her, but she died in Christian County, Kentucky. 5. There is also Sarah A. (born 1873)., William R.(born 1861) and John J. Howell ( born 1868) more than likely born in Kentucky. Their father was ? Howell, the mother M.J. ?. There were probably others in this family but this all that I have at the moment. 6. Annie Howell (b. 1854) married William Guiry Teague. I have no clue where she was born, they were married in Christian County, Kentucky. 7. Bertha Howell born in 1869 in Coweta, Georgia. She married George Arthur Camp. 8. Eliza Jane Howell born in 1825. She married Abraham Morris Newsom in Trigg County, Kentucky. 9. Eliza P. Howell born about 1840, married William Riley Stokes in Hopkins County, Kentucky. 10. Henry Howell born about 1785, married Sarah ?. No place mentioned. 5 Children: Mary A. Howell born in 1810, married Barnabus Sisk, Jr. in Hopkins County, Kentucky. John Howell born about 1814 Jesse Howell born about 1812, married Elva Ridley Jane Howell born about 1816 married in Christian County, Kentucky to Harvey Southard. Elizabeth Howell born about 1829 married Edmond Swinney 11. J. H. Howell married Martha Orten. She was born about 1860. One child that I that know of, Mansel Howell born May, 1899. Mother born in Tennessee, died in Christian County, Kentucky. Who is J. H.? 12. James Howell born about 1893, married Ollie Louise Thomas. She was born in Caldwell County, Kentucky died in Indiana. Who were his parents? 13. Lenora Howell married Isaac Beshear b. c 1850 in 1882 in Hopkins County, Kentucky. 14. James Howell born about 1880 married to Marian Ellen Croft (she was born and died in Caldwell County, Kentucky). They had two children (that I know of): Leonard Howell born abt. 1904 married to Carrie E. Pleasant. Rosie Howell married to Dexter Sisk. Appreciate any help and will happily share! Thanks, Virginia in Seattle Researching Thomas, Howell, Heflin, Alexander, Dean, Nichols, Beshears, Orten, Dillingham, Powell, Glascock, McLean and what seems like a few hundred others~

Jeannette, Thanks for the information. I will be looking for this book. I have a Timothy Howell who was born ca1800 VA/NC??? who fathered James Edward Howell born 1833 Gates Co.,NC. Timothy dies before 1840, because his wife is remarried and shows up with her new husband in 1840 Gates Co.,NC census and 1850 also. I really am beginning to think my Timothy was laid by a buzzard and hatched by the sun. Thanks, Jackie Howell > The authors of this book looked at all the Howells in Loudon County in > 1771, including Hugh Howell and his family. They then tried to match up the > information into families. They found eight families or households bearing > the Howell name, and the methods they used to attempt to sort them out are > excellent examples of careful genealogical work. If you can find the book > in > your area, it may be worth studying. > > Jeannette >

Since several have commented on the Howell's for NC today, I though I'd add the one I am researching again. She is Margaret "Peggie" HOWELL. She was the wife of Craton/Crayton LEDFORD, according to information on a death certificate of their daughter's. He is in the 1850 Census of Cleveland Co. listed with the children, but she died in 1849. Based on the age of her husband, she probably was born in the area of 1815. They very well could have migrated through Rutherford Co. before getting to Cleveland Co., as this is where Crayton's parents are listed in the NC Marriage Bonds 1742-1868 / Rutherford County, NC -- Lewis Ledford and Dorcas Ellis - bond date July 19, 1812. I do not have ANY connections to ancestors. Sure hope some of these listed today could be a relative of our Peggie. HELP me break down my brick wall. Thanks Rachel

Wynell, Ancestry.com list the following for Wayne Co., NC 1840: Howell, John Fork River Dist Howell, John Boswells Dist. Howell, John No dist. listed age 87 1850: There are three John Howells listed all in the Neuse Northside Dist. 1860: There are six John Howells listed , only one has the initial included.. John W. Howell Fork Dist 1870: there are three listed.. no initials on any I have the 1880 census.. Wayne Co. list 2 John Howell.. 1...John W. Howell age 53, wife Eliza, age 51.. No children listed.. but has "Other" William L. Pearson, age 30.. (away at college) 2. John Howell, age 60, wife Betsy, age 50.. no others in the household But my John William Howell, would have had to be in or around Buncombe Co., NC in 1844.. Jackie Researching the families of: Morgan, Brewer, Howell, Ballard, Beck, Ricker, Knight, Woods, Simmons and Buffington ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wynell Simpson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 3:06 PM Subject: [HOWELL] Howell of Wayne Co., NC Jackie, Our John Howell had a son named David Howell. David died in Wayne Co., NC leaving a will written Sep 8 1847 proven Nov. Court 1849 Sons: John William and James R. [Robert]; daughters: Jane Holland, Dolly Howell, and Sally Edwards; executor: Peter L. Peacock; witnesses: B. W. Raiford and N. T. Perkins. This David Howell was born about 1780 (guess). You might want to consider this John William Howell. I was not able to find him on the 1850 or 1860 census in Wayne County. Do you have your John William Howell on a census? What did he name his children? We believe our John Howell is the son of Joshua Howell who died 1799 in Wayne Co., NC,but we have no proof. Joshua had a son named John and a grandson named Lewis, but there were several Johns and Lewises in the County at that time. My ancestor is John Howell's son Lewis Howell b. 1778. Good luck Wynell ---- Original Message ----- From: "Jacquelyn Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Ref:Grayson, Loudoun, Botetourt . . . Did any of these Howell folks come thru North Carolina before moving on to TN? I have a William Howell b. 1844 in Buncombe Co., NC who married the daughter of William Morgan and Amelia (Millie) BREWER Morgan (from N.C., but moved to TN in 1845) in Jefferson Co., TN in 1866.. William Howell's death certificate says his father was John William Howell.. One of his (my William) son's was named Andrew Mack Howell and is my g grandfather.. We have not been able to locate any information on our William Howell before 1865.. Thanks > Jackie ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email at <[email protected]>.

Wynell, Thanks so much for the information.. it looks like it is worth looking into!!! but No, we have not found the John William Howell anywhere.. just my William b 1844.. who is supposed to be his son.. we know nothing about any other children that John William might have had.. Our William never spoke of any siblings that anyone is aware of, or any other family!!!... NADA.. Tis our big "brick Wall".. thanks again Jackie Researching the families of: Morgan, Brewer, Howell, Ballard, Beck, Ricker, Knight, Woods, Simmons and Buffington ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wynell Simpson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 3:06 PM Subject: [HOWELL] Howell of Wayne Co., NC Jackie, Our John Howell had a son named David Howell. David died in Wayne Co., NC leaving a will written Sep 8 1847 proven Nov. Court 1849 Sons: John William and James R. [Robert]; daughters: Jane Holland, Dolly Howell, and Sally Edwards; executor: Peter L. Peacock; witnesses: B. W. Raiford and N. T. Perkins. This David Howell was born about 1780 (guess). You might want to consider this John William Howell. I was not able to find him on the 1850 or 1860 census in Wayne County. Do you have your John William Howell on a census? What did he name his children? We believe our John Howell is the son of Joshua Howell who died 1799 in Wayne Co., NC,but we have no proof. Joshua had a son named John and a grandson named Lewis, but there were several Johns and Lewises in the County at that time. My ancestor is John Howell's son Lewis Howell b. 1778. Good luck Wynell ---- Original Message ----- From: "Jacquelyn Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Ref:Grayson, Loudoun, Botetourt . . . Did any of these Howell folks come thru North Carolina before moving on to TN? I have a William Howell b. 1844 in Buncombe Co., NC who married the daughter of William Morgan and Amelia (Millie) BREWER Morgan (from N.C., but moved to TN in 1845) in Jefferson Co., TN in 1866.. William Howell's death certificate says his father was John William Howell.. One of his (my William) son's was named Andrew Mack Howell and is my g grandfather.. We have not been able to locate any information on our William Howell before 1865.. Thanks > Jackie ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email at <[email protected]>.

Hi Will, When I first started looking into my husband's Howell roots I had seen a lot of your mail but since I got the nerve to ask questions you seem to have dropped out of sight.My husband is the grandson of Robert Daniel Roark,son of Peter Ruark(Roark) and Tabitha Howell.Robert was born in Cooksville,Tenn.in 1877.His father deserted the family and his mother died when he was 9.He was sent to Tx.and was raised by Tabitha's brother.Tabitha was the daughter of James Howell and Elizabeth Stone and James was the son of John Howell and Nancy Brewer.I have found all of Tabitha's siblings in White Co.census.However I haven't been able to place her mother Elizabeth Stone with a family.Would you happen to know anything about her.Although a lot of the siblings were married in White Co.I have found know record for Peter Ruark and Tabitha Howell or James Howell and Elizabeth Stone.Tabitha was in her parents house at the age of 14 in the 1870 census.Then in 1880 in Putnam Co.Tn.with Peter Ruark,age 55,blacksmith b.Ky..Tabitha age 23 b.Tn.Robert age 3,b.Tn.and Joanna age 11/12 b.Tn..I am not sure if this Peter was Ruark or Roark.In this census it is Ruark.I found Robert in Tx.1900 I think age 22 and his name is Roark.I have found Peter with both name in Ky.put can't find anything to say any of them is this one.A grandson always said that he returned to Ky. and met with less than honorable death.If you have any info on Elizabeth Stone I could sure use some help.I have the descendants of Tabitha if you are interested.I have also identified her brother William(Bill) Howell who lived an died in Allen Co.Ky..I have a copy from the book at the funeral home naming his parents as James Howell and Elizabeth Stone.It listed know children for Bill.Robert came to Allen Co.as a young man to live with the Howells that were there.That is where he met and married my husband's grandmother Matilda Elizabeth(May)Johnson. Thanks for letting me bend your ear, Jeany in Indiana

Thanks to all you Howell "cousins"..for some very good information.. My William Howell was born in Buncombe Co., NC 1844.. His father is supposed to be John William Howell ( I take this with a grain of salt).. Young William is found joining the Union Army in Greene Co, TN in Feb. 1865.. the lateness may be due to his being a captured Confederate soldier.. better than a POW camp!!!.. He then marries a Morgan girl from Jefferson Co., TN in 1866.. and lives the rest of his life in TN.. He named one of his sons.. Andrew Mack Howell, this is my g grandfather.. Andy Mack used to go trapping somewhere in the mountains not far from Marion, NC.(but they lived in TN). and he used a cabin in the mountains that apparently belonged to someone who was kin.. They apparently stayed a good part of the winter.. and they sold the furs.. some of them being "Mink" ,to a man who came down from New York to buy furs from folks in that part of the mountains.. My mother used to go with her grandparents and stayed with them while they trapped and made cane bottom chai! rs.. Andrew Mack Howell's father is the William Howell b 1844 in Buncombe Co., NC. that I seek..Thanks... All help appreciated Jackie Researching the families of: Morgan, Brewer, Howell, Ballard, Beck, Ricker, Knight, Woods, Simmons and Buffington ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew J. Graham" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:10 PM Subject: [HOWELL] Ref: Grayson, Loudoun, Botetourt Hi cousins, I want to jump in on this discussion, but I'm at work, and can't take the time. Tonight, with my notes, I can reply. A few comments David Howell, Ashe Co NC traded land with my gggrandfather John Calvin Howell on Mill Creek, Ashe Co., a few miles from my house. I

Not by my research, but I have seen the name on the web. I have seen where some folks intertwined the two..i.e. Able/Ambrose But my Able has been called Able all the way, thru wills and census..and his daughter named one of her sons.. Able Jackie Researching the families of: Morgan, Brewer, Howell, Ballard, Beck, Ricker, Knight, Woods, Simmons and Buffington ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie D Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Ref:Grayson, Loudoun, Botetourt I've heard that name Able Brewer somewhere! Just a guess, but does the name Ambrose Brewer ring a bill by chance???? Will ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacquelyn Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Ref:Grayson, Loudoun, Botetourt > Will, > My Brewer, who married William Morgan was from Chatham Co., NC.. She was the daughter of Able Brewer, who was born abt 1782.. but I do not know where.. but we suspect the Brewers may be from VA.. Able Brewer b abt 1782 married Mary Morgan born abt. 1790 in Chatham Co., and their daughter Amelia Brewer married a relative of Mary Morgan, whose grandfather was Charles Morgan, who left his will in Chatham Co., NC in 1787..We suspect these Morgans to be from VA also.. but my William Howell is NOT from Chatham Co., but there were several Howells in Chatham Co. too.. > Jackie > > Researching the families of: Morgan, Brewer, Howell, Ballard, Beck, Ricker, Knight, Woods, Simmons and Buffington > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Willie D Smith" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:56 PM > Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Ref:Grayson, Loudoun, Botetourt > > > Yes, in fact Andrew Calvin Howell and some of his relatives from Grayson > County, Virginia settled in Ashe County, North Carolina! I believe a great > many of our Brewer bunch did also. What have you found, if anything, on your > Brewer/Morgan bunch??? Try Ashe County, N.C., which isn't that awfully far > at all from Buncombe! In fact, I think this John Calvin Howell was probably > already in Ashe County by 1844. > Don't overlook some of the ones in Wayne County, N.C. too who descend from > old Joshua Howell born in the 1760's in Dobbs County, N.C. > All of them are probably related back in New Jersey or Delaware or > Pennsylvania. Eventually, we may find a common ancestor. > Keep in touch! > Will > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jacquelyn Smith" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:17 AM > Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Ref:Grayson, Loudoun, Botetourt > > > > Will wrote: > > Howdy Cousin Andy! > > Your John Calvin Howell, is probably a nephew of our John Howell who > > married Nancy Brewer and moved to White County, TN. Is there any definite > > proof as to Andrew Howell's parentage? Since he had a son named "John > > Calvin", I lean towards the belief that he was our John's brother. Some > have > > him listed as a son of William Howell. We strongly believe our John was a > > > > > > Will, > > Did any of these Howell folks come thru North Carolina before moving on to > TN? I have a William Howell b. 1844 in Buncombe Co., NC who married the > daughter of William Morgan and Amelia (Millie) BREWER Morgan (from N.C., but > moved to TN in 1845) in Jefferson Co., TN in 1866.. William Howell's death > certificate says his father was John William Howell.. One of his (my > William) son's was named Andrew Mack Howell and is my g grandfather.. We > have not been able to locate any information on our William Howell before > 1865.. Thanks > > Jackie > > > > > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > > Please avoid flaming (attacking) any single person or the group. This > infraction will earn you immediate removal from the list. > > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email > at <[email protected]>. > > > > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email > at <[email protected]>. > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== Our homesite is the Howell Research Room located at <http://www.geocities.com/howell_research>.

Hi cousins, I want to jump in on this discussion, but I'm at work, and can't take the time. Tonight, with my notes, I can reply. A few comments David Howell, Ashe Co NC traded land with my gggrandfather John Calvin Howell on Mill Creek, Ashe Co., a few miles from my house. I have copies of the deeds. John Calvin Howell was still in Grayson Co. VA in 1844, where he bought a tract of land from Andrew Howell (probably not his father, but maybe) on near New River at Fox Creek. He married in Old Town, VA in 1840, which is right on the edge of Grayson and Carroll Co. Va. There was most certainly two Andrew Howells in Grayson Co VA, between 1825 and 1844, one could write his name, the other couldn't. The one that could write was an heir of William Howell Sr. of Fox Creek. By the way, a George Howell owned land adjoining this William Howell Sr. around 1820 or so. This is stated on the deed from William Howell Sr. heirs to Andrew Howell. A William Howell, showed up in Ashe Co NC early, maybe 1820's, on Mill Creek, Ashe Co. NC. Possibly William Howell Jr.? There is a Sarah Howell 68 years old, in 1850 Ashe Co NC census, born in Maryland, living with George Laurance and family. George Laurance had adjoining farm to John Calvin Howell. AND, John Calvin Howell and some of his family (son Marshall) moved to Missouri around 1880, and then two years later moved on to Prairie City (Grant Co) Oregon where he died in 1905. This is curious since many messages about the Missouri Howells are being posted right now. gotta run, andy

Jackie, Our John Howell had a son named David Howell. David died in Wayne Co., NC leaving a will written Sep 8 1847 proven Nov. Court 1849 Sons: John William and James R. [Robert]; daughters: Jane Holland, Dolly Howell, and Sally Edwards; executor: Peter L. Peacock; witnesses: B. W. Raiford and N. T. Perkins. This David Howell was born about 1780 (guess). You might want to consider this John William Howell. I was not able to find him on the 1850 or 1860 census in Wayne County. Do you have your John William Howell on a census? What did he name his children? We believe our John Howell is the son of Joshua Howell who died 1799 in Wayne Co., NC,but we have no proof. Joshua had a son named John and a grandson named Lewis, but there were several Johns and Lewises in the County at that time. My ancestor is John Howell's son Lewis Howell b. 1778. Good luck Wynell ---- Original Message ----- From: "Jacquelyn Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Ref:Grayson, Loudoun, Botetourt . . . Did any of these Howell folks come thru North Carolina before moving on to TN? I have a William Howell b. 1844 in Buncombe Co., NC who married the daughter of William Morgan and Amelia (Millie) BREWER Morgan (from N.C., but moved to TN in 1845) in Jefferson Co., TN in 1866.. William Howell's death certificate says his father was John William Howell.. One of his (my William) son's was named Andrew Mack Howell and is my g grandfather.. We have not been able to locate any information on our William Howell before 1865.. Thanks > Jackie

Some of the Howells from Chatham Co, NC settled in Morgan Co, IN -they came through TN. It is not my line but can try to find the researcher again IF this is someone's line. Micki << Will, My Brewer, who married William Morgan was from Chatham Co., NC.. She was the daughter of Able Brewer, who was born abt 1782.. but I do not know where.. but we suspect the Brewers may be from VA.. Able Brewer b abt 1782 married Mary Morgan born abt. 1790 in Chatham Co., and their daughter Amelia Brewer married a relative of Mary Morgan, whose grandfather was Charles Morgan, who left his will in Chatham Co., NC in 1787..We suspect these Morgans to be from VA also.. but my William Howell is NOT from Chatham Co., but there were several Howells in Chatham Co. too.. Jackie >>

Hi EVeryone - The David Howell (Montgomery Co, VA) was a son of Benjamin who died in 1799. This Benjamin was the brother of Joshua 1745-1836 from the same are and NOT from NC. Micki << Not sure quite yet, but there was a David Howell up in old Montgomery County, VA who seems to be connected with Benjamin who died 1799, if memory serves me correctly. I'll keep my eyes out for info on him. Will >>

Hi, Do any of you Howell Listers have ancesters that came from Byberry, Philidelphia,PA? Sarah

I've heard that name Able Brewer somewhere! Just a guess, but does the name Ambrose Brewer ring a bill by chance???? Will ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacquelyn Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Ref:Grayson, Loudoun, Botetourt > Will, > My Brewer, who married William Morgan was from Chatham Co., NC.. She was the daughter of Able Brewer, who was born abt 1782.. but I do not know where.. but we suspect the Brewers may be from VA.. Able Brewer b abt 1782 married Mary Morgan born abt. 1790 in Chatham Co., and their daughter Amelia Brewer married a relative of Mary Morgan, whose grandfather was Charles Morgan, who left his will in Chatham Co., NC in 1787..We suspect these Morgans to be from VA also.. but my William Howell is NOT from Chatham Co., but there were several Howells in Chatham Co. too.. > Jackie > > Researching the families of: Morgan, Brewer, Howell, Ballard, Beck, Ricker, Knight, Woods, Simmons and Buffington > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Willie D Smith" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:56 PM > Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Ref:Grayson, Loudoun, Botetourt > > > Yes, in fact Andrew Calvin Howell and some of his relatives from Grayson > County, Virginia settled in Ashe County, North Carolina! I believe a great > many of our Brewer bunch did also. What have you found, if anything, on your > Brewer/Morgan bunch??? Try Ashe County, N.C., which isn't that awfully far > at all from Buncombe! In fact, I think this John Calvin Howell was probably > already in Ashe County by 1844. > Don't overlook some of the ones in Wayne County, N.C. too who descend from > old Joshua Howell born in the 1760's in Dobbs County, N.C. > All of them are probably related back in New Jersey or Delaware or > Pennsylvania. Eventually, we may find a common ancestor. > Keep in touch! > Will > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jacquelyn Smith" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:17 AM > Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Ref:Grayson, Loudoun, Botetourt > > > > Will wrote: > > Howdy Cousin Andy! > > Your John Calvin Howell, is probably a nephew of our John Howell who > > married Nancy Brewer and moved to White County, TN. Is there any definite > > proof as to Andrew Howell's parentage? Since he had a son named "John > > Calvin", I lean towards the belief that he was our John's brother. Some > have > > him listed as a son of William Howell. We strongly believe our John was a > > > > > > Will, > > Did any of these Howell folks come thru North Carolina before moving on to > TN? I have a William Howell b. 1844 in Buncombe Co., NC who married the > daughter of William Morgan and Amelia (Millie) BREWER Morgan (from N.C., but > moved to TN in 1845) in Jefferson Co., TN in 1866.. William Howell's death > certificate says his father was John William Howell.. One of his (my > William) son's was named Andrew Mack Howell and is my g grandfather.. We > have not been able to locate any information on our William Howell before > 1865.. Thanks > > Jackie > > > > > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > > Please avoid flaming (attacking) any single person or the group. This > infraction will earn you immediate removal from the list. > > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email > at <[email protected]>. > > > > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email > at <[email protected]>. >

Will, My Brewer, who married William Morgan was from Chatham Co., NC.. She was the daughter of Able Brewer, who was born abt 1782.. but I do not know where.. but we suspect the Brewers may be from VA.. Able Brewer b abt 1782 married Mary Morgan born abt. 1790 in Chatham Co., and their daughter Amelia Brewer married a relative of Mary Morgan, whose grandfather was Charles Morgan, who left his will in Chatham Co., NC in 1787..We suspect these Morgans to be from VA also.. but my William Howell is NOT from Chatham Co., but there were several Howells in Chatham Co. too.. Jackie Researching the families of: Morgan, Brewer, Howell, Ballard, Beck, Ricker, Knight, Woods, Simmons and Buffington ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie D Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Ref:Grayson, Loudoun, Botetourt Yes, in fact Andrew Calvin Howell and some of his relatives from Grayson County, Virginia settled in Ashe County, North Carolina! I believe a great many of our Brewer bunch did also. What have you found, if anything, on your Brewer/Morgan bunch??? Try Ashe County, N.C., which isn't that awfully far at all from Buncombe! In fact, I think this John Calvin Howell was probably already in Ashe County by 1844. Don't overlook some of the ones in Wayne County, N.C. too who descend from old Joshua Howell born in the 1760's in Dobbs County, N.C. All of them are probably related back in New Jersey or Delaware or Pennsylvania. Eventually, we may find a common ancestor. Keep in touch! Will ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacquelyn Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Ref:Grayson, Loudoun, Botetourt > Will wrote: > Howdy Cousin Andy! > Your John Calvin Howell, is probably a nephew of our John Howell who > married Nancy Brewer and moved to White County, TN. Is there any definite > proof as to Andrew Howell's parentage? Since he had a son named "John > Calvin", I lean towards the belief that he was our John's brother. Some have > him listed as a son of William Howell. We strongly believe our John was a > > > Will, > Did any of these Howell folks come thru North Carolina before moving on to TN? I have a William Howell b. 1844 in Buncombe Co., NC who married the daughter of William Morgan and Amelia (Millie) BREWER Morgan (from N.C., but moved to TN in 1845) in Jefferson Co., TN in 1866.. William Howell's death certificate says his father was John William Howell.. One of his (my William) son's was named Andrew Mack Howell and is my g grandfather.. We have not been able to locate any information on our William Howell before 1865.. Thanks > Jackie > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > Please avoid flaming (attacking) any single person or the group. This infraction will earn you immediate removal from the list. > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email at <[email protected]>.