-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [HOWELLS-SOUTH] [Fwd: Howell of Wayne Co., NC] Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:57:02 -0700 Resent-From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:57:20 -0600 From: "Sue Eskew" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] References: <[email protected]> Does anyone have a Jordan Howell in their data? He was b. abt 1786 in NC. Is in the 1810 in Wayne Co. He married Sarah b. abt 1783 (maiden name unknown). Their first son was Joseph Benjamin b. 25 Dec, 1808. Jordan and Sarah are in the 1820 census in Limestone Co., AL., 1830 to 1850 in Hardin Co., TN. About 1853 they move to Stoddard Co., MO. and are in the 1860 and 1870 census. It is assumed that both Jordan and Sarah died in Stoddard Co., but there is no record of their death and they did not leave a will. Would like to find Jordan's parents and siblings also Sarah parents and siblings. Also would like to prove that these young Howell families who move to Stoddard Co. in the 1840's, 1850's and 1860's are Jordan and Sarah's children. 1. Joseph Benjamin m. Mary Ann Rainey he died in Hardin Co. TN in 1854 2. Levi I. Howell b. abt 1811 in NC: m. Elexy Riddle bef. 1837 probably in Hardin Co., TN died aft., 1848 in Stoddard Co. 3. Angelina (Howell?) b.11 June 1812 in NC m.Phinley N. Black bef. 1839 probably in Hardin Co. TN or Tippah Co. MS: died 1882 in Stoddard Co. MO. 4. Mary Catherine (Howell?) b. abt 1815 in NC. m. Doctor Rainey bef .1834 probably in Hardin Co.,TN died in Stoddard Co. MO 5. Jonathan Howell b.17 Feb 1815 in NC, m. Mary (Polly) Burks bef. 1838 probably in Hardin Co. died in 1892 in Stoddard Co. 6. Eppinettus Howell b. abt 1818 in NC m. Dicey Riddle abt. 1852 in MO. died 1859 in Stoddard Co., MO 7. Washington Burton b. abt 1824 in AL m. Nancy Elmira (maiden name?) he died 20 June 1862 (in Civil War) in Duck Hill MS his wife and children were in Stoddard Co. 8. David A b. abt 1829 no more information 9. Celia Ann (Howell?) b.1 Feb 1832 in TN m. #1 Unknown Strawn in TN #2.Unknown Ellis # 3 James Temples. She died in Stoddard Co. Does anyone on have any information on any of these people? Will gladly share all info that I have. Sue in MO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Pustola" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:21 AM Subject: [HOWELLS-SOUTH] [Fwd: Howell of Wayne Co., NC] > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Howell of Wayne Co., NC > Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:08:49 -0700 > Resent-From: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:33:24 -0600 > From: Willie D Smith <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > They're related to old John Howell the preacher who died around 1836 > or 1846 with a will. He lived on Falling Creek or something like like, > and served in Capt. Nathaniel Williams 2nd N.C. Battalion during the > Revolutionary War. <SNIPPED>

Hi List; Below is a list of the E. TN county formations in the 1700's.... In alphabetical order.. Blount.. 1795 out of Knox Carter .. 1796 out of Washington Cocke.. 1797 out of Jefferson Davidson.. 1783 out of Washington Co., NC (Nashville) Grainger.. 1796 out of Hawkins/Knox Greene.. 1783 out of Washington Co., NC Hawkins..1786 out of Sullivan Jefferson..1792 out of Greene/Hawkins Knox..1792 out of Greene/Hawkins Sevier.. 1794 out of Jefferson Spencer.. 1785.. changed to Hawkins in 1786 Sullivan...1779 out of Washington Co., NC Washington ...1777 out of Rowen Co., NC This does NOT include some of the Middle Tennessee and Western Tennessee counties.. If anyone needs them.. email me I will be glad to send the info to you.. The other counties in East Tennessee were formed at different times in the 1800's.. Jackie Researching the families of: Morgan, Brewer, Howell, Ballard, Beck, Ricker, Knight, Woods, Simmons and Buffington

Will, I have a lot of children and grandchildren for John and Nancy.If these are of interest to you I will be glad to share.I have posted them on the Howell website and also many White Co.census.I don't think I posted the one from Tx.where my husband's grandfather(grandson of James) went to live with his uncle.I will look that up and let you know which one went to Tx..I do have obit for James son William who went to Allen Co.Ky..There is also another Howell family in Allen Co.that my husband's maternal uncle married into.I haven't been able to place them with the family of John and Nancy but I thought it was a real coincidence that they ended up in the same place.Let me know if I might have something you are interested in. Jeany in Indiana

Will, Please do try to find the obit you speak of. Nothing in our records show our John Howell to be a preacher. It would be nice to prove it one way or another. Do you have proof that John Howell b. 1753 is a son of Joshua Howell. We have searched for that for years. We know that Joshua had a son named John and a grandson named Lewis. The problem is proving exactly which John that is. We could sure use some proof. There are quite a few of us working on this John Howell family. As far as your statement that Joshua may have been the son of Etheldred Howell. The ages just do NOT fit. I have seen that information on the Internet. I believe it is false. They could be related. I don't know, but not a son. The people on the Internet have Joshua born in 1680. (They need to have him born then so that he will "fit" as Ethledred's son. It is not possible. We know that Joshua died 1799. I am sure he was not 119 years old. Joshua was still active in deed records at this time. Yes, the county was Dobbs in 1753 when John was born, but in his pen. app. he states he was born in Wayne Co., NC and lived there all of his life. Even though the county was not named until after he was born, he considered it his county. Please do try to find the obit. If anyone else has it, please post it. It would be a great thing to finally settle this. I hope it turns out that our John Howell was a preacher. Wynell ----- Original Message ----- From: Willie D Smith Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:55 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Howell of Wayne C9., NC Yep, he certainly was! There was an obit someone sent me out of the old Raleigh, N.C. newspaper from 1843 which stated that he was not only a Revolutionary War soldier, but was apparently a minister or bishop of the Methodist Episcopal Church there in Wayne county, N.C. He lived there his entire life (Wayne was taken from Dobbs County, and this John Howell was the son of old Joshua Howell. I think Joshua may have been the son of an Etheldred Howell..If anyone has info on Etheldred, please look this up, cause these folks are kin). So, old John was born 1753 in Dobbs County, N.C. and died there in 1843. I've seen his Revolutionary War records as well. I did a lookup for the John Howell listed in (either Lt. or Capt.) Nathaniel Williams Company of Light Infantry, 2nd N.C. Battalion, Continental Line, which is the inscription on the spurious gravemarker here in Tennessee for our equally spurious John "Hamilton" Howell (this is actually the grave of John H. Howell born 1818-died 1859, SON of John Howell (1788-1861) and Nancy Brewer Howell (1792-1886). The records led me back to your John Howell of Wayne County, N.C. This Nathaniel Williams could have been subordinate to one of the other men you mentioned. I said Captain, but I think he was actually a Lieutenant. I'll see if I have a copy of that obit anywhere. It was sent to me a couple of years ago by someone on the Howell rootsweb list. Hopefully, someone is still on this list who also has a copy! Hope this helps! Will ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wynell Simpson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 8:45 AM Subject: [HOWELL] Howell of Wayne C9., NC > Will, > > There were two John Howell's who died around that time in Wayne Co., NC. I have not seen evidence that our John Howell b. 1753 was a preacher. He was definitely in the Rev. War. We have papers that prove that. His War papers state that he was born May 29, 1753. We also know that he died 1843. > > I don't know who the John Howell "preacher" was. > > Our John Howell b. 1753 was not in Capt. Nathaniel Williams Battalion that I can see. It is not mentioned in his war papers. He was in Capt. Joseph Green's, Capt Thomas Grantham, and Capt. Boon. > > Wynell > > ------------------- > X-Message: #1 > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:33:24 -0600 > From: Willie D Smith <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Message-id: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Howell of Wayne Co., NC > Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > They're related to old John Howell the preacher who died around 1836 or 1846 > with a will. He lived on Falling Creek or something like like, and served in > Capt. Nathaniel Williams 2nd N.C. Battalion during the Revolutionary War. > He's the fellow my bunch claimed was John "Hamilton" Howell, who they claim > is buried under a phoney DAR monument at Elrod Cemetery in White County, TN. > I've proved beyond doubt that the man never left Wayne County, N.C., and is > NOT our ancestor. Needless to say, some of the Howells up there in White > County ain't too happy with me, preferring obviously to believe lying > tradition over the truth as revealed in the actual documentation. > Will > ------------------- > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email > at <[email protected]>. > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== To post messages to the Howell discussion list, send them to [email protected]

Where, precisely, is the earliest place you can pinpoint Larkin's family? Let me know and I'll see what I can come up with. Will ----- Original Message ----- From: "OVHOWELL" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [HOWELL] John & Nancy > We're also getting gray looking for JAMES HOWELL c. 1760/70 VA ot NC. > Descendants we have - these people were firm believers in be fruitful and > multiply - but JAMES is a mystery man. If we can offer any assistance with > LARKIN HOWELL'S line (NC - KY), please feel free to ask. Okie > [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Willie D Smith <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:29 PM > Subject: Re: [HOWELL] John & Nancy > > > > I had always wondered what happened to James Howell as I could never find > > info on him. Most of the Putnam County records burned in 1899, so that > would > > explain why you were unable to find much. The yanks burned it the first > time > > in 1865, then it burned again in 1899. > > There are a lot of Stones in that area. One of the Rices married a > Stone > > but they moved out to McCracken County, Kentucky by 1900. > > I think it was Joseph Douglas Rice who married a Stone, but not > exactly > > sure. > > Anyway, I'd love to have more info on James Howell's family, as I had > no > > info on his line. > > Please keep in touch! > > Will > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "john t roark" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 3:18 PM > > Subject: [HOWELL] John & Nancy > > > > > > > Hi Will, > > > When I first started looking into my husband's Howell roots I had seen a > > > lot of your mail but since I got the nerve to ask questions you seem to > > > have dropped out of sight.My husband is the grandson of Robert Daniel > > > Roark,son of Peter Ruark(Roark) and Tabitha Howell.Robert was born in > > > Cooksville,Tenn.in 1877.His father deserted the family and his mother > died > > > when he was 9.He was sent to Tx.and was raised by Tabitha's > > brother.Tabitha > > > was the daughter of James Howell and Elizabeth Stone and James was the > son > > > of John Howell and Nancy Brewer.I have found all of Tabitha's siblings > in > > > White Co.census.However I haven't been able to place her mother Elizabet > h > > > Stone with a family.Would you happen to know anything about her.Although > a > > > lot of the siblings were married in White Co.I have found know record > for > > > Peter Ruark and Tabitha Howell or James Howell and Elizabeth > Stone.Tabitha > > > was in her parents house at the age of 14 in the 1870 census.Then in > 1880 > > > in Putnam Co.Tn.with Peter Ruark,age 55,blacksmith b.Ky..Tabitha age 23 > > > b.Tn.Robert age 3,b.Tn.and Joanna age 11/12 b.Tn..I am not sure if this > > > Peter was Ruark or Roark.In this census it is Ruark.I found Robert in > > > Tx.1900 I think age 22 and his name is Roark.I have found Peter with > both > > > name in Ky.put can't find anything to say any of them is this one.A > > > grandson always said that he returned to Ky. and met with less than > > > honorable death.If you have any info on Elizabeth Stone I could sure use > > > some help.I have the descendants of Tabitha if you are interested.I have > > > also identified her brother William(Bill) Howell who lived an died in > > Allen > > > Co.Ky..I have a copy from the book at the funeral home naming his > parents > > > as James Howell and Elizabeth Stone.It listed know children for > > Bill.Robert > > > came to Allen Co.as a young man to live with the Howells that were > > > there.That is where he met and married my husband's grandmother Matilda > > > Elizabeth(May)Johnson. > > > Thanks for letting me bend your ear, > > > Jeany in Indiana > > > > > > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > > > Please avoid flaming (attacking) any single person or the group. This > > infraction will earn you immediate removal from the list. > > > > > > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > > Our homesite is the Howell Research Room located at > > <http://www.geocities.com/howell_research>. > > > > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the HOWELL discussion list, send a message to [email protected] (mail mode) or [email protected] (digest) with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. >

Could this have been the old James Howell who lived on New River, very near the North Carolina line, and down stream from William Howell? It could also have been James Jr. I don't know when James Howell Sr. died, but he didn't live too awfully far from Old Town. Will ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew J Graham" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [HOWELL] John & Nancy > Hi cousins, > > This isn't my line, but I know of a James Howell line that mysteriously > starts in Ashe county, NC, about 1810, I believe, in an area called > Howell Hollar, or Silas Creek. The line is well researched after him, > though I don't have the information, but there is a book on the line in > the public library at West Jefferson, Ashe co. NC. Also, there is a > website Keep in mind that Ashe and Grayson meet along the state line, > and the actual position of the line was not clear for some years (?). > Some people thought they lived in one state when in fact they should > have been listed in the other. It is a good idea to be suspicious > whenever you're dealing with anyone from Grassy Creek, Ashe Co. NC, or > the New River area of Virginia, specifically Mouth of Wilson, > Independence, and Fox Creek in the early 1800's. > > andy graham > > OVHOWELL wrote: > > > > We're also getting gray looking for JAMES HOWELL c. 1760/70 VA ot NC. > > Descendants we have - these people were firm believers in be fruitful and > > multiply - but JAMES is a mystery man. If we can offer any assistance with > > LARKIN HOWELL'S line (NC - KY), please feel free to ask. Okie > > [email protected] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Willie D Smith <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [HOWELL] John & Nancy > > > > > I had always wondered what happened to James Howell as I could never find > > > info on him. Most of the Putnam County records burned in 1899, so that > > would > > > explain why you were unable to find much. The yanks burned it the first > > time > > > in 1865, then it burned again in 1899. > > > There are a lot of Stones in that area. One of the Rices married a > > Stone > > > but they moved out to McCracken County, Kentucky by 1900. > > > I think it was Joseph Douglas Rice who married a Stone, but not > > exactly > > > sure. > > > Anyway, I'd love to have more info on James Howell's family, as I had > > no > > > info on his line. > > > Please keep in touch! > > > Will > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "john t roark" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 3:18 PM > > > Subject: [HOWELL] John & Nancy > > > > > > > > > > Hi Will, > > > > When I first started looking into my husband's Howell roots I had seen a > > > > lot of your mail but since I got the nerve to ask questions you seem to > > > > have dropped out of sight.My husband is the grandson of Robert Daniel > > > > Roark,son of Peter Ruark(Roark) and Tabitha Howell.Robert was born in > > > > Cooksville,Tenn.in 1877.His father deserted the family and his mother > > died > > > > when he was 9.He was sent to Tx.and was raised by Tabitha's > > > brother.Tabitha > > > > was the daughter of James Howell and Elizabeth Stone and James was the > > son > > > > of John Howell and Nancy Brewer.I have found all of Tabitha's siblings > > in > > > > White Co.census.However I haven't been able to place her mother Elizabet > > h > > > > Stone with a family.Would you happen to know anything about her.Although > > a > > > > lot of the siblings were married in White Co.I have found know record > > for > > > > Peter Ruark and Tabitha Howell or James Howell and Elizabeth > > Stone.Tabitha > > > > was in her parents house at the age of 14 in the 1870 census.Then in > > 1880 > > > > in Putnam Co.Tn.with Peter Ruark,age 55,blacksmith b.Ky..Tabitha age 23 > > > > b.Tn.Robert age 3,b.Tn.and Joanna age 11/12 b.Tn..I am not sure if this > > > > Peter was Ruark or Roark.In this census it is Ruark.I found Robert in > > > > Tx.1900 I think age 22 and his name is Roark.I have found Peter with > > both > > > > name in Ky.put can't find anything to say any of them is this one.A > > > > grandson always said that he returned to Ky. and met with less than > > > > honorable death.If you have any info on Elizabeth Stone I could sure use > > > > some help.I have the descendants of Tabitha if you are interested.I have > > > > also identified her brother William(Bill) Howell who lived an died in > > > Allen > > > > Co.Ky..I have a copy from the book at the funeral home naming his > > parents > > > > as James Howell and Elizabeth Stone.It listed know children for > > > Bill.Robert > > > > came to Allen Co.as a young man to live with the Howells that were > > > > there.That is where he met and married my husband's grandmother Matilda > > > > Elizabeth(May)Johnson. > > > > Thanks for letting me bend your ear, > > > > Jeany in Indiana > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > > > > Please avoid flaming (attacking) any single person or the group. This > > > infraction will earn you immediate removal from the list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > > > Our homesite is the Howell Research Room located at > > > <http://www.geocities.com/howell_research>. > > > > > > > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from the HOWELL discussion list, send a message to [email protected] (mail mode) or [email protected] (digest) with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > To post messages to the Howell discussion list, send them to > [email protected] >

Good! Now we have this particular lineage established. I do know that William Howell had a son named George. This leads me to believe that Capt. George Howell was old William Howell's brother. Both men were connected to the HASH family. William's wife was a Hash. George was married to Mary "Polly" Osborne, daughter of Enoch Osborne and a (Jane? Someone working on this bunch please clarify Enoch's wife's name for me) Hash. Also, I think old James Howell's wife was a Hash also? Anyone familiar with old James???? All three names are used amongst the descendants of John and Nancy Brewer Howell. Silas Howell's oldest son was William Decatur Howell. Tilman Howell's son was George W. Howell, and Tillman's twin brother was Andrew D. Howell. Also, John and Nancy had a son named James Howell who married Elizabeth Stone. I believe all three men are brothers. Hope someone else can help clarify some of these mens' families! Will ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Graham" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Ref:Grayson, Loudoun, Botetourt > Hi Will, > > Thanks for your reply. > > Willie D Smith wrote: > > > Howdy Cousin Andy! > > Your John Calvin Howell, is probably a nephew of our John Howell who > > married Nancy Brewer and moved to White County, TN. Is there any definite > > proof as to Andrew Howell's parentage? > > Not that I am aware of. > > > Since he had a son named "John > > Calvin", I lean towards the belief that he was our John's brother. Some have > > him listed as a son of William Howell. > > Frankly, I am of the opinion that Andrew was William's son. Several deeds > indicate that he was an heir. Specifically, 8 May 1825, a deed from the sole > heirs of William Howel, decd, formerly of Grayson Co Va. to Andrew Howell, the > land which he was already living on, on Fox Creek, near the New River and Mouth > of Wilson. The callings refer to the Andrew's fence, a corner of Andrew a nd > George Howell, and also to the old line of William Howel. The Howel and Howell > spellings are randomly mixed. I could be wrong. > > more later, take care, > andy > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the HOWELL discussion list, send a message to [email protected] (mail mode) or [email protected] (digest) with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. >

Yep, he certainly was! There was an obit someone sent me out of the old Raleigh, N.C. newspaper from 1843 which stated that he was not only a Revolutionary War soldier, but was apparently a minister or bishop of the Methodist Episcopal Church there in Wayne county, N.C. He lived there his entire life (Wayne was taken from Dobbs County, and this John Howell was the son of old Joshua Howell. I think Joshua may have been the son of an Etheldred Howell..If anyone has info on Etheldred, please look this up, cause these folks are kin). So, old John was born 1753 in Dobbs County, N.C. and died there in 1843. I've seen his Revolutionary War records as well. I did a lookup for the John Howell listed in (either Lt. or Capt.) Nathaniel Williams Company of Light Infantry, 2nd N.C. Battalion, Continental Line, which is the inscription on the spurious gravemarker here in Tennessee for our equally spurious John "Hamilton" Howell (this is actually the grave of John H. Howell born 1818-died 1859, SON of John Howell (1788-1861) and Nancy Brewer Howell (1792-1886). The records led me back to your John Howell of Wayne County, N.C. This Nathaniel Williams could have been subordinate to one of the other men you mentioned. I said Captain, but I think he was actually a Lieutenant. I'll see if I have a copy of that obit anywhere. It was sent to me a couple of years ago by someone on the Howell rootsweb list. Hopefully, someone is still on this list who also has a copy! Hope this helps! Will ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wynell Simpson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 8:45 AM Subject: [HOWELL] Howell of Wayne C9., NC > Will, > > There were two John Howell's who died around that time in Wayne Co., NC. I have not seen evidence that our John Howell b. 1753 was a preacher. He was definitely in the Rev. War. We have papers that prove that. His War papers state that he was born May 29, 1753. We also know that he died 1843. > > I don't know who the John Howell "preacher" was. > > Our John Howell b. 1753 was not in Capt. Nathaniel Williams Battalion that I can see. It is not mentioned in his war papers. He was in Capt. Joseph Green's, Capt Thomas Grantham, and Capt. Boon. > > Wynell > > ------------------- > X-Message: #1 > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:33:24 -0600 > From: Willie D Smith <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Message-id: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Howell of Wayne Co., NC > Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > They're related to old John Howell the preacher who died around 1836 or 1846 > with a will. He lived on Falling Creek or something like like, and served in > Capt. Nathaniel Williams 2nd N.C. Battalion during the Revolutionary War. > He's the fellow my bunch claimed was John "Hamilton" Howell, who they claim > is buried under a phoney DAR monument at Elrod Cemetery in White County, TN. > I've proved beyond doubt that the man never left Wayne County, N.C., and is > NOT our ancestor. Needless to say, some of the Howells up there in White > County ain't too happy with me, preferring obviously to believe lying > tradition over the truth as revealed in the actual documentation. > Will > ------------------- > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email > at <[email protected]>. >

Also Cousins, This is also true for Tennessee, since TN did not become a State until 1796 and was North Carolina up until that point.. The counties bordering Ashe Co., NC.. in TN.. include Johnson, Carter, Sullivan, Washington. Which would also include the "parent" and children" of those counties, respectively.. Jackie Researching the families of: Morgan, Brewer, Howell, Ballard, Beck, Ricker, Knight, Woods, Simmons and Buffington ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew J. Graham" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [HOWELL] John & Nancy Hi cousins, This isn't my line, but I know of a James Howell line that mysteriously starts in Ashe county, NC, about 1810, I believe, in an area called Howell Hollar, or Silas Creek. The line is well researched after him, though I don't have the information, but there is a book on the line in the public library at West Jefferson, Ashe co. NC. Also, there is a website Keep in mind that Ashe and Grayson meet along the state line, and the actual position of the line was not clear for some years (?). Some people thought they lived in one state when in fact they should have been listed in the other. It is a good idea to be suspicious whenever you're dealing with anyone from Grassy Creek, Ashe Co. NC, or the New River area of Virginia, specifically Mouth of Wilson, Independence, and Fox Creek in the early 1800's. andy graham OVHOWELL wrote: > > We're also getting gray looking for JAMES HOWELL c. 1760/70 VA ot NC. > Descendants we have - these people were firm believers in be fruitful and > multiply - but JAMES is a mystery man. If we can offer any assistance with > LARKIN HOWELL'S line (NC - KY), please feel free to ask. Okie > [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Willie D Smith <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:29 PM > Subject: Re: [HOWELL] John & Nancy > > > I had always wondered what happened to James Howell as I could never find > > info on him. Most of the Putnam County records burned in 1899, so that > would > > explain why you were unable to find much. The yanks burned it the first > time > > in 1865, then it burned again in 1899. > > There are a lot of Stones in that area. One of the Rices married a > Stone > > but they moved out to McCracken County, Kentucky by 1900. > > I think it was Joseph Douglas Rice who married a Stone, but not > exactly > > sure. > > Anyway, I'd love to have more info on James Howell's family, as I had > no > > info on his line. > > Please keep in touch! > > Will > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "john t roark" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 3:18 PM > > Subject: [HOWELL] John & Nancy > > > > > > > Hi Will, > > > When I first started looking into my husband's Howell roots I had seen a > > > lot of your mail but since I got the nerve to ask questions you seem to > > > have dropped out of sight.My husband is the grandson of Robert Daniel > > > Roark,son of Peter Ruark(Roark) and Tabitha Howell.Robert was born in > > > Cooksville,Tenn.in 1877.His father deserted the family and his mother > died > > > when he was 9.He was sent to Tx.and was raised by Tabitha's > > brother.Tabitha > > > was the daughter of James Howell and Elizabeth Stone and James was the > son > > > of John Howell and Nancy Brewer.I have found all of Tabitha's siblings > in > > > White Co.census.However I haven't been able to place her mother Elizabet > h > > > Stone with a family.Would you happen to know anything about her.Although > a > > > lot of the siblings were married in White Co.I have found know record > for > > > Peter Ruark and Tabitha Howell or James Howell and Elizabeth > Stone.Tabitha > > > was in her parents house at the age of 14 in the 1870 census.Then in > 1880 > > > in Putnam Co.Tn.with Peter Ruark,age 55,blacksmith b.Ky..Tabitha age 23 > > > b.Tn.Robert age 3,b.Tn.and Joanna age 11/12 b.Tn..I am not sure if this > > > Peter was Ruark or Roark.In this census it is Ruark.I found Robert in > > > Tx.1900 I think age 22 and his name is Roark.I have found Peter with > both > > > name in Ky.put can't find anything to say any of them is this one.A > > > grandson always said that he returned to Ky. and met with less than > > > honorable death.If you have any info on Elizabeth Stone I could sure use > > > some help.I have the descendants of Tabitha if you are interested.I have > > > also identified her brother William(Bill) Howell who lived an died in > > Allen > > > Co.Ky..I have a copy from the book at the funeral home naming his > parents > > > as James Howell and Elizabeth Stone.It listed know children for > > Bill.Robert > > > came to Allen Co.as a young man to live with the Howells that were > > > there.That is where he met and married my husband's grandmother Matilda > > > Elizabeth(May)Johnson. > > > Thanks for letting me bend your ear, > > > Jeany in Indiana > > > > > > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > > > Please avoid flaming (attacking) any single person or the group. This > > infraction will earn you immediate removal from the list. > > > > > > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > > Our homesite is the Howell Research Room located at > > <http://www.geocities.com/howell_research>. > > > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the HOWELL discussion list, send a message to [email protected] (mail mode) or [email protected] (digest) with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== To post messages to the Howell discussion list, send them to [email protected]

Hi cousins, This isn't my line, but I know of a James Howell line that mysteriously starts in Ashe county, NC, about 1810, I believe, in an area called Howell Hollar, or Silas Creek. The line is well researched after him, though I don't have the information, but there is a book on the line in the public library at West Jefferson, Ashe co. NC. Also, there is a website Keep in mind that Ashe and Grayson meet along the state line, and the actual position of the line was not clear for some years (?). Some people thought they lived in one state when in fact they should have been listed in the other. It is a good idea to be suspicious whenever you're dealing with anyone from Grassy Creek, Ashe Co. NC, or the New River area of Virginia, specifically Mouth of Wilson, Independence, and Fox Creek in the early 1800's. andy graham OVHOWELL wrote: > > We're also getting gray looking for JAMES HOWELL c. 1760/70 VA ot NC. > Descendants we have - these people were firm believers in be fruitful and > multiply - but JAMES is a mystery man. If we can offer any assistance with > LARKIN HOWELL'S line (NC - KY), please feel free to ask. Okie > [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Willie D Smith <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:29 PM > Subject: Re: [HOWELL] John & Nancy > > > I had always wondered what happened to James Howell as I could never find > > info on him. Most of the Putnam County records burned in 1899, so that > would > > explain why you were unable to find much. The yanks burned it the first > time > > in 1865, then it burned again in 1899. > > There are a lot of Stones in that area. One of the Rices married a > Stone > > but they moved out to McCracken County, Kentucky by 1900. > > I think it was Joseph Douglas Rice who married a Stone, but not > exactly > > sure. > > Anyway, I'd love to have more info on James Howell's family, as I had > no > > info on his line. > > Please keep in touch! > > Will > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "john t roark" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 3:18 PM > > Subject: [HOWELL] John & Nancy > > > > > > > Hi Will, > > > When I first started looking into my husband's Howell roots I had seen a > > > lot of your mail but since I got the nerve to ask questions you seem to > > > have dropped out of sight.My husband is the grandson of Robert Daniel > > > Roark,son of Peter Ruark(Roark) and Tabitha Howell.Robert was born in > > > Cooksville,Tenn.in 1877.His father deserted the family and his mother > died > > > when he was 9.He was sent to Tx.and was raised by Tabitha's > > brother.Tabitha > > > was the daughter of James Howell and Elizabeth Stone and James was the > son > > > of John Howell and Nancy Brewer.I have found all of Tabitha's siblings > in > > > White Co.census.However I haven't been able to place her mother Elizabet > h > > > Stone with a family.Would you happen to know anything about her.Although > a > > > lot of the siblings were married in White Co.I have found know record > for > > > Peter Ruark and Tabitha Howell or James Howell and Elizabeth > Stone.Tabitha > > > was in her parents house at the age of 14 in the 1870 census.Then in > 1880 > > > in Putnam Co.Tn.with Peter Ruark,age 55,blacksmith b.Ky..Tabitha age 23 > > > b.Tn.Robert age 3,b.Tn.and Joanna age 11/12 b.Tn..I am not sure if this > > > Peter was Ruark or Roark.In this census it is Ruark.I found Robert in > > > Tx.1900 I think age 22 and his name is Roark.I have found Peter with > both > > > name in Ky.put can't find anything to say any of them is this one.A > > > grandson always said that he returned to Ky. and met with less than > > > honorable death.If you have any info on Elizabeth Stone I could sure use > > > some help.I have the descendants of Tabitha if you are interested.I have > > > also identified her brother William(Bill) Howell who lived an died in > > Allen > > > Co.Ky..I have a copy from the book at the funeral home naming his > parents > > > as James Howell and Elizabeth Stone.It listed know children for > > Bill.Robert > > > came to Allen Co.as a young man to live with the Howells that were > > > there.That is where he met and married my husband's grandmother Matilda > > > Elizabeth(May)Johnson. > > > Thanks for letting me bend your ear, > > > Jeany in Indiana > > > > > > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > > > Please avoid flaming (attacking) any single person or the group. This > > infraction will earn you immediate removal from the list. > > > > > > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > > Our homesite is the Howell Research Room located at > > <http://www.geocities.com/howell_research>. > > > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the HOWELL discussion list, send a message to [email protected] (mail mode) or [email protected] (digest) with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [HOWELLS-SOUTH] [Fwd: All my deadends! ~ Howell ~ NC, KY, TN, GA] Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:01:59 -0700 Resent-From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:01:46 EST From: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Speaking of deadends (and Virginia in Seattle has a BUNCH!), I have one. But maybe some of hers would be mine if I could find something on mine :). I need information about Lydia Joanna Howell who was born in 1842 in (I think) Georgia. She married Irvin Monroe English in 1857 and they had 12 children (many of whom I have info and one is my ggrandmother). I was told Lydia's parents were James and Mary Anne (Fullwood) Howell. I have not been able to prove that. I do know she and Irvin lived in Georgia. Any help or thoughts will be most appreciated! Have a great day! Rebecca Crider Akin (researching: Crider, English, Howell, Jordan, Amerson, Brewer, Fullwood, Smylie) ==== HOWELLS-SOUTHERN Mailing List ==== Please do not send messages with attachments, HTML, MIME, or any other enhanced text to the list. RootsWeb does not allow messages with those settings through their servers and will only return them to you. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Anyone working on this line Estill and Powell Counties in Kentucky BENJAMIN/BERRY2 HOWELL (THOMAS1) was born 1763 in Albermarle County , North Carolina, and died 1844 in Dripping Springs, Ky.. He married LUCY QUARLES 1785 in Woodford County, KY. She was born 1764, and died 1854 in Dripping Springs, Ky..

Will, There were two John Howell's who died around that time in Wayne Co., NC. I have not seen evidence that our John Howell b. 1753 was a preacher. He was definitely in the Rev. War. We have papers that prove that. His War papers state that he was born May 29, 1753. We also know that he died 1843. I don't know who the John Howell "preacher" was. Our John Howell b. 1753 was not in Capt. Nathaniel Williams Battalion that I can see. It is not mentioned in his war papers. He was in Capt. Joseph Green's, Capt Thomas Grantham, and Capt. Boon. Wynell ------------------- X-Message: #1 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:33:24 -0600 From: Willie D Smith <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-id: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [HOWELL] Howell of Wayne Co., NC Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit They're related to old John Howell the preacher who died around 1836 or 1846 with a will. He lived on Falling Creek or something like like, and served in Capt. Nathaniel Williams 2nd N.C. Battalion during the Revolutionary War. He's the fellow my bunch claimed was John "Hamilton" Howell, who they claim is buried under a phoney DAR monument at Elrod Cemetery in White County, TN. I've proved beyond doubt that the man never left Wayne County, N.C., and is NOT our ancestor. Needless to say, some of the Howells up there in White County ain't too happy with me, preferring obviously to believe lying tradition over the truth as revealed in the actual documentation. Will -------------------

We're also getting gray looking for JAMES HOWELL c. 1760/70 VA ot NC. Descendants we have - these people were firm believers in be fruitful and multiply - but JAMES is a mystery man. If we can offer any assistance with LARKIN HOWELL'S line (NC - KY), please feel free to ask. Okie [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Willie D Smith <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [HOWELL] John & Nancy > I had always wondered what happened to James Howell as I could never find > info on him. Most of the Putnam County records burned in 1899, so that would > explain why you were unable to find much. The yanks burned it the first time > in 1865, then it burned again in 1899. > There are a lot of Stones in that area. One of the Rices married a Stone > but they moved out to McCracken County, Kentucky by 1900. > I think it was Joseph Douglas Rice who married a Stone, but not exactly > sure. > Anyway, I'd love to have more info on James Howell's family, as I had no > info on his line. > Please keep in touch! > Will > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john t roark" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 3:18 PM > Subject: [HOWELL] John & Nancy > > > > Hi Will, > > When I first started looking into my husband's Howell roots I had seen a > > lot of your mail but since I got the nerve to ask questions you seem to > > have dropped out of sight.My husband is the grandson of Robert Daniel > > Roark,son of Peter Ruark(Roark) and Tabitha Howell.Robert was born in > > Cooksville,Tenn.in 1877.His father deserted the family and his mother died > > when he was 9.He was sent to Tx.and was raised by Tabitha's > brother.Tabitha > > was the daughter of James Howell and Elizabeth Stone and James was the son > > of John Howell and Nancy Brewer.I have found all of Tabitha's siblings in > > White Co.census.However I haven't been able to place her mother Elizabet h > > Stone with a family.Would you happen to know anything about her.Although a > > lot of the siblings were married in White Co.I have found know record for > > Peter Ruark and Tabitha Howell or James Howell and Elizabeth Stone.Tabitha > > was in her parents house at the age of 14 in the 1870 census.Then in 1880 > > in Putnam Co.Tn.with Peter Ruark,age 55,blacksmith b.Ky..Tabitha age 23 > > b.Tn.Robert age 3,b.Tn.and Joanna age 11/12 b.Tn..I am not sure if this > > Peter was Ruark or Roark.In this census it is Ruark.I found Robert in > > Tx.1900 I think age 22 and his name is Roark.I have found Peter with both > > name in Ky.put can't find anything to say any of them is this one.A > > grandson always said that he returned to Ky. and met with less than > > honorable death.If you have any info on Elizabeth Stone I could sure use > > some help.I have the descendants of Tabitha if you are interested.I have > > also identified her brother William(Bill) Howell who lived an died in > Allen > > Co.Ky..I have a copy from the book at the funeral home naming his parents > > as James Howell and Elizabeth Stone.It listed know children for > Bill.Robert > > came to Allen Co.as a young man to live with the Howells that were > > there.That is where he met and married my husband's grandmother Matilda > > Elizabeth(May)Johnson. > > Thanks for letting me bend your ear, > > Jeany in Indiana > > > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > > Please avoid flaming (attacking) any single person or the group. This > infraction will earn you immediate removal from the list. > > > > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > Our homesite is the Howell Research Room located at > <http://www.geocities.com/howell_research>. > >

Hi All Another lurker here. I have been reading with interest the info from VA. My John HOWELL was born 1767 in VA (don't know where or to whom), married Elizabeth Bonham 1797 and lived in Faquier Co VA, migrated to Belmont Co OH in 1814. He may have had a brother, William, who married Elizabeth's sister, Rachel, and migrated with them to Belmont Co OH. Anything sound familiar. I just feel one of these families being discussed is my John's, but which one ???????? Patt Researching: Howell, Bonham, Arford, Pickard, Eskins,

Hello List Members: I have found reference to a John W. Howell who married Elizabeth Jones , August 31, 1832 In Hawkins Co., TN., does anyone have any information on this couple? In the on-line census INDEX for Hawkins Co., TN. for 1830.. 2 Howell households are listed. for 1840.. one household is listed and none for 1850.. Does anyone have access to the 1840 Hawkins Co. census? Any information is appreciated. Jackie Researching the families of: Morgan, Brewer, Howell, Ballard, Beck, Ricker, Knight, Woods, Simmons and Buffington ----- Original Message -----

Hello Family, I was looking for my WALKER line in the 1920 Washington County, TN census when I came across the following family (the writing is a bit hard to read, so this may not be 100% accurate. Anything I'm not sure about has a ? after it): HOWELL, William Jr., Head, age 46 HOWELL, Bethe, Wife, age 46 HOWELL, ????, Son, age 21 HOWELL, Dillard, Son, age 19 HOWELL, Sarah?, Daughter, age 15 HOWELL, Eiter?, Daughter, age 13 HOWELL, Minitia?, Daughter, age 11 HOWELL, Edward, Son, age 9 HOWELL, Sallie, Daughter, age 4/12? All were listed as being born in NC, Father born in NC, Mother born in NC. I hope this can help someone. If you need anything else from this census for this family, please let me know. Good Luck in your searches, Jennifer _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

Hi Will, Thanks for your reply. Willie D Smith wrote: > Howdy Cousin Andy! > Your John Calvin Howell, is probably a nephew of our John Howell who > married Nancy Brewer and moved to White County, TN. Is there any definite > proof as to Andrew Howell's parentage? Not that I am aware of. > Since he had a son named "John > Calvin", I lean towards the belief that he was our John's brother. Some have > him listed as a son of William Howell. Frankly, I am of the opinion that Andrew was William's son. Several deeds indicate that he was an heir. Specifically, 8 May 1825, a deed from the sole heirs of William Howel, decd, formerly of Grayson Co Va. to Andrew Howell, the land which he was already living on, on Fox Creek, near the New River and Mouth of Wilson. The callings refer to the Andrew's fence, a corner of Andrew and George Howell, and also to the old line of William Howel. The Howel and Howell spellings are randomly mixed. I could be wrong. more later, take care, andy

Anything there about William Howell born in Winchester, Frederick Co. Va in 1794. Andrew Graham wrote: > > Good morning, > > (Glad to see cousin Willie Smith back with us). I have a few tidbits to > offer on the discussion of ancestors of the SouthWest Virginia Howells. > > I discovered in the library yesterday a book "Loudoun County Virginia > Tithables, 1758-1786" which gives ,using { } to group in households > > 1762 {Hugh Howel, William Howel}, and {John Howel} > 1765 {Hugh Howell}, and {William Howell} > 1767 {Hugh Howell}, {Hezichiah Howell}, {John Howell, Charles Howell} > 1768 {Hugh Howell, Abner Howell}, {Daniel Howell}, {Timothy Howell}, > {John Howell, Jr.} > 1769 {Hugh Howell, Andrew Howell, John Howell} > > When this is compared with the list given by Jeannette (on Tuesday), we > can get a bit more information. For example, the Daniel Howell listed > above could not be Hugh's son, since he would have been only 11 years > old in 1768, and not old enough to be counted. > > Also, from the book Related Families of Botetourt County, VA by J. > William Austin II and Rebecca H.R. Austin, in an addendum, there is a > family history for Abner Howell. He was granted 329 acres on Wolf > Creek, Botetourt Co., in 1794 also Charles Howell was granted 40 acres > on Wolf Creek in 1795, adjoining Thomas Akers, David JAMES, and his own > land. > > The authors speculate "Charles and Abner were probably brothers, for > both served in Captain Rawlings Company of the Revolutionary Army, in > 1787, as had Daniel and John Howell. Benjamin, Joshua and Daniel Howell > had served in Captain Easom's Company." > > I am a descendent of John Calvin Howell of Grayson (1818-1905), son of > Andrew Howell, listed in Joe Bowers email from last week. I'll post a > separate message about some questions I have in relation to my (known) > ancestors, and possible connections to the Hugh Howell family. > > andy graham > > ==== HOWELL Mailing List ==== > To post messages to the Howell discussion list, send them to > [email protected]

Is there anyone who is descended from William Howell and Ann (Eyre) Hampton who has tried to research the Eyre family and have you been successful? I have found much Eyre information but cannot connect any of it to the line of Ann who md. Wm Howell. She married 1st James Hampton, 3rd Mr. Tacketh (sp?) - Olive Sun City, CA