Frank - I have in the text of your message only your explanation of what you believe I was talking about reference to the 2 Hugh Hortons. Leaving out all the DNA - this issue between the 2 Hugh hortons has nothing to do with the female or male DNA. Years ago, a lady who was getting into the 17th century Colonial Dames allowed her husband who was an engineer to work on her pedigree. He very carefully reseached it back to Hugh Horton of North Carolina and he then was the son of the Hugh Horton, Sr, Westmoreland Co VA that passed in c1724. Phyllis and I have been told for half our lifetimes that this is where we go through the John Horton that you mentioned. But not through the Hugh Horton of Bertie Co NC.At the time, I had never heard of any Hugh Horton of NC and was a bit take aback but I let it pass as a freak accident. Now DNA comes along and one of the persons from Georgia, on paper. traces back through a Hugh Horton Jr who is a descendant of the Bertie Co NC Hugh Horton. You, Frank, and I, and a couple of others closely match the guy from Georgia in DNA. So at this point, you have to believe there is something we have not yet learned, and we need to know if we hope to reconsile what the DNA seems to indicate. This is difficult to express in writing. (I like to wave my arms and hands when I do things like this). You and I know why we match and the Y chromosomes are all accounted for on paper as well. We fully expected we would match going into the DNA Project. Phyllis by virtue of being related to us, shares the same paper trail as we do - even if ( and I am not saying it has) it has gone off course in some manner. Her DNA will not show anything to help us resolve this empass. So without seeing the question - this is the best answer I can give at the moment. I have suggested that the 2 Hugh Hortons could be one and the same person. It was considered because of previous findings through unbiased research on the part of the engineer fella for his wife. Could he have been mistaken? Yes he could have been. We aim to find out. Perry