Frank - you said it so much better than I did! Have a good day. Good to have you in the fray. Dan Hoyle wrote back a few days ago, after the Hugh Horton search was breaking - about how Robert E. Horton of Raleigh traces on paper through a son Joseph of Nansemond Co VA to the Bertie Co Hugh Horton. I hated to inform him that in the estate settlement, it did not name a Joseph Horton. Have not heard a peep from him since. Hope he is not angry. perry

I am looking for information on Silas Hix Horton who married Sally Ann. I have no other info on him and would appreciate any information that you might want to share. Pat

Thank you. They have had more practice at it than I have anyway. But seriously, it is working. The feedback I am getting is so refreshing of "I want to help too." In the past few days I am assured of up to about 5-6 people gettin kits or plan to. I am supposed to advise Harold Horton, our Pres., but its like Frank said the other day, we are so busy makin history there has not been time to record it. I only refer them to pelhamdan. He takes it from there. What is more he is getting results. Our thanks continue to flow to him. Dan has commented to the ladies - get your father, your uncle, your nephew, your first cousins, all male Hortons in whatever Horton female line that you happen to be in. And I have no way of knowing in advance who will and who won't get involved. I just talk about the good of it and try to find the right branches where the research will yield the information. The Hugh Horton line is only one - there are others. We are gettin cooperation from New England as well. While we have been coasting along for more than 25 years, many other family surnames have been deeply involved with it. A good example is the HILL surname. More than 100 names are on their charts. The charts are designed to let you click on a number by the name of a donor, and it opens the door to the pedigree chart information. Nice. But we will catch up. But, Dan need a lot more cooperation than he is getting from the members. It would help to send him a direct line chart from the donor, step by step, generation by generation to the last known ancestor. I do not have that information about other donors, except in some rare cases. perry

yes you doubly answered it perfectly - great job - I hope we can get the women to look for some MEN. Jackie

Jackie - I believe I just answered that question , in reply to Frank. I have worked with women for so many years, and not all these were Horton descendants, to find out about the Horton men and their siblings. We are known better by our allied connections than we know about our selves. This should not be a questionable tool to use in research. And it has nothing to do with the female DNA per se. perry

After re-reading you message Frank - you hit it on the head - we are looking to the horton female descendants who know where their counterpart Horton males are, or can be found, to join in this project. The women are as anxious to resolve these issues as we are and many of them are paying the fee for the males to get into the project. Some are sponsoring more than one person. So lets not dampen the issue with female DNA - its their participation in other ways that will make the project succeed or at worst, not achieve the goal we seek. We seek a lot of male participation. perry

Frank - I have in the text of your message only your explanation of what you believe I was talking about reference to the 2 Hugh Hortons. Leaving out all the DNA - this issue between the 2 Hugh hortons has nothing to do with the female or male DNA. Years ago, a lady who was getting into the 17th century Colonial Dames allowed her husband who was an engineer to work on her pedigree. He very carefully reseached it back to Hugh Horton of North Carolina and he then was the son of the Hugh Horton, Sr, Westmoreland Co VA that passed in c1724. Phyllis and I have been told for half our lifetimes that this is where we go through the John Horton that you mentioned. But not through the Hugh Horton of Bertie Co NC.At the time, I had never heard of any Hugh Horton of NC and was a bit take aback but I let it pass as a freak accident. Now DNA comes along and one of the persons from Georgia, on paper. traces back through a Hugh Horton Jr who is a descendant of the Bertie Co NC Hugh Horton. You, Frank, and I, and a couple of others closely match the guy from Georgia in DNA. So at this point, you have to believe there is something we have not yet learned, and we need to know if we hope to reconsile what the DNA seems to indicate. This is difficult to express in writing. (I like to wave my arms and hands when I do things like this). You and I know why we match and the Y chromosomes are all accounted for on paper as well. We fully expected we would match going into the DNA Project. Phyllis by virtue of being related to us, shares the same paper trail as we do - even if ( and I am not saying it has) it has gone off course in some manner. Her DNA will not show anything to help us resolve this empass. So without seeing the question - this is the best answer I can give at the moment. I have suggested that the 2 Hugh Hortons could be one and the same person. It was considered because of previous findings through unbiased research on the part of the engineer fella for his wife. Could he have been mistaken? Yes he could have been. We aim to find out. Perry

What I think Perry was saying is that we also need paper trails back. For instance, I descend from John Horton who married Isabel Kendrick. In this case, the Horton line is "daughtered out" (sorry ladies) because Sarah Horton married John Bradshaw. John and Sarah's daughter, Eliza, married, here we go again, Perry, Johnson Horton. So we have a paper trail back to Hugh through John. Phyllis being a descendant through this line also provides a good paper trail. When Perry and I did the DNA test, we ended up with 1 mutation at 37 markers. The probability that we shared a common ancestor at the 6th generation level was about 90%. That line also goes back to Hugh, through John Horton's brother William, who also married a Kendrick. The "y" DNA is only passed through the male line. So what we're looking for is paper trails from the female Horton descendants, who probably know more than we, to clarify the two Hugh Horton lines. Am I correct Perry? mtDNA take one back into the thousands of years and one cannot tell ancestor probability using it. Am I correct Jackie? Frank Horton

How are you going to work with female Horton descendants in the DNA area? Jackie

Debbie -There is - but that was not what I was trying to make reference to. WE need the female Horton Descendant lines for the genealogy. sorry I did not make that clear. But - if you email Jackie Horton, jfhort@aol.com, she cann explain how the female DNA works. Do I have your Horton connections? perry

Perry: I thought the DNA is only for the male Y chromosome. Was there some break through I didn't hear about? Debbie Horton M.

To clarify the Hugh Horton descendant rolls: Two existed - one in Virginia (died 1724 Westmoreland Co VA) and another (which may ultimately be known as the same person) estate settled 1736 in Bertie Co., North Carolina. We need (1) correspondence - reference to male Horton descendants, down, from each of the two Hugh Hortons. (2) to promote and provide a channel to the DNA Project leader and (3) genealogists wishing to establish a dialog with the above "connections"; hoping to establish a pedigree trail back to them. For the No.1 purpose, we can work with female Horton descendants as well, regardless of present surnames. Perry Horton

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: HORTON / RUPE - Clearfield County, Pennsylvania Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BBk.2ACIB/2423 Message Board Post: Priscilla (HORTON) born: 5 April 1895 Decatur Twp., Clearfield Co., Pennsylvania Does anyone know whether Priscilla is the daughter (or the granddaughter?) of John & Mary HORTON? John HORTON (1857/1858 - 1936) Mary HORTON (1864-1938) Also, does anyone know if Priscilla (HORTON) married, and if so, to whom and when? Sincerely, Sallyann Hoernke s a l l y a n n h o e r n k e @ h o t m a i l . c o m

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: HORTON, WILSON, SMITH Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BBk.2ACIB/2422 Message Board Post: Searching for family of my biological father, Carl Leo Wilson of Illinois. Particularly looking for Carla Dee Smith. Carlene Wilson McKillop

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorris" <dorris@onecliq.net> To: <HORTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [HORTON] Samuel Horton b 1813, Canada Can you tell me where in Canada? I have a Samuel Horton born 1768 who had a daughter Susannah born 1791 who md Abraham Youngs and they lived in Norfolk Co., Ont. They were part of the "Long Point settlers". He also had a son Samuel born 1814 died before 1901 who married Elizabeth J. "Betsy" ( ). The 1881 census of Charlottesville, Norfolk Co listed this Samuel as age 67. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "EILEEN ANDERSON" <kelly771055@sbcglobal.net> To: <HORTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 12:34 PM Subject: [HORTON] Samuel Horton b 1813, Canada > Can anyone help with additional information for Samuel Horton b. 1813 in Canada? He married Ann b. 1822, Ireland and had 6 children; John, James, Eliza, William, Mary, Ellen. > > I need his parents and siblings. > > Thanks, Eileen > > > ==== HORTON Mailing List ==== > Have a question, recommendation or comment about RootsWeb or this list, please direct same to the list moderator: Jim Young <horton-admin@rootsweb.com> > Issues of general membership interest should be directed to the list: HORTON-L@rootsweb.com > ======================================================= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/05 > > ==== HORTON Mailing List ==== REMINDER ! ! ! RootsWeb has installed a SmartList hack to block file attachments (including VCARDS), HTML messages and enriched text postings and will return them to the sender. List manager is Jim Young <horton-admin@rootsweb.com> =======================================================

Can you tell me where in Canada? I have a Samuel Horton born 1768 who had a daughter Susannah born 1791 who md Abraham Youngs and they lived in Norfolk Co., Ont. They were part of the "Long Point settlers". He also had a son Samuel born 1814 died before 1901 who married Elizabeth J. "Betsy" ( ). The 1881 census of Charlottesville, Norfolk Co listed this Samuel as age 67. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "EILEEN ANDERSON" <kelly771055@sbcglobal.net> To: <HORTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 12:34 PM Subject: [HORTON] Samuel Horton b 1813, Canada > Can anyone help with additional information for Samuel Horton b. 1813 in Canada? He married Ann b. 1822, Ireland and had 6 children; John, James, Eliza, William, Mary, Ellen. > > I need his parents and siblings. > > Thanks, Eileen > > > ==== HORTON Mailing List ==== > Have a question, recommendation or comment about RootsWeb or this list, please direct same to the list moderator: Jim Young <horton-admin@rootsweb.com> > Issues of general membership interest should be directed to the list: HORTON-L@rootsweb.com > ======================================================= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/05 > >

Can anyone help with additional information for Samuel Horton b. 1813 in Canada? He married Ann b. 1822, Ireland and had 6 children; John, James, Eliza, William, Mary, Ellen. I need his parents and siblings. Thanks, Eileen

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hello pat, thank you. will be anxiouly waiting for your reply. perry

I do not have that but feel certain they were still in one of the familiar counties according to the time schedule. I believe fro Memory it was Dwight Woody that I was with on this Horton group. The Tanner's moved on up into Ky and over the Ohio to near where one of them , a boy was captured by Indians and held captive for many years. He gre up and aske to leave the tribe foe awhile and went back to KY looking for his people. They were gne. But inquiry led him to look in Missouri. He found them but was not content to leave his Indian ways and friends so returned. That part of the story is found a a paperback about 50 Indian captives - or near about that title. The DNA test your brother got is not exactly what our project is aimed to do. It ia more broader based and identifies roots to the north of Europe and the the Asian or even African people. But in stages it comes forward to match or not match certainbranches of hotons. Whether your brother could offer his former sample to familytreedna i do not know. But a note to <pelhamdan@aol.com> should get the proper answer and or information to our project - which collectively the Horton Family Association is not connected or benefits in anyway except that we are able to get some discount if the address I gave you is sponsoring the test. I am interested for personal reasons. Your brother should match one other member and me, if he is connected to Elijah as I believe he is. Except for the possible connection of the John Horton with Ikerds and Tanners, some of James N's brothers are married to ikerds. All the other Elijah families are the only ones in the counties mentioned, I believe. But the thing about Elijah is that the marriages in SWVA or TN ar connected to the Taylor family, the same which goes back into Lancaster Co VA . I am hoping the Parallel will lead us back to the Horton there in mid 1600's who married the widow of a Taylot, ancestor of Taylors in SWVA. The DNA should help to that end - and your brother in from Elijah would establis, not only his branch but ours as well to that ara of VVVA. And of course the Hugh Hortons are right next door. Probably Lancaster was Westmoreland before it was formed or of Nothumberland before Westmoreland was formed. As to Arrena - it sounds like a distortion of Irena - with the a on the end of the word a carry over from the cheokees would pronounce the Word Irene in English. But there are other scenarios. In any cast I beleive this connection is still from Elija and Cat'y Horton. Later perry ( I live in southeaster OHio - but will be in New Hampshire when you come over. otherwise I would seek to meet you somewhere, I do have a cousin in Abingdon, VA which is close to the places you intend to visit, she is a teacher and very familiar with the people we are dicussing). PPH