I do not know about Thomas Hooker personally, but most Puritan leaders were anything but democratic - they stated that their colony was church ruled and governors like Winthrope and others were the ones who started the witch hunts and kiliing of anyone "different." They beat Rober Williams (founder of the first Bapt church in Providence Rhode Island) and Ann Hutchinson (both of whom who tried to teach about the "love of God" in Puritan areas) naked through the streets and tarred and feathered them and ran them out of MA!! If you read the rules of the Puritan church about membership, and the early rules of the governement of that area you will see there is very little democratic about it!!! Read my previous post - their ealy leaders in Holland were nto like that and warned the ones who left for New Eng not to become rigid in their rules and beliefs!! Celezte --- Maureen Girard <maureen@redshift.com> wrote: > There's a wonderful book, written in 1995 and > published by Heart of the > Lakes Publishing in Interlaken NY, titled "Thomas > Hooker, 1586-1647: Father > of American Democracy," by Deryck Collingwood. The > subtitle, which is quite > apt, is "A pilgrim's guide to the England he knew, > the great people, and the > stirring events leading to his becoming a > pre-eminent figure in the founding > of Puritan New England." > > Collingwood was not a descendant of Thomas Hooker; > he was an Englishman and > a Methodist minister who came across Hooker's > writings in the course of his > theological studies. Collingwood became such an > admirer that he did, > indeed, go on a pilgrimage to learn about Hooker's > roots in England and > Holland, and then about his life and work in New > England. Collingwood's > conclusion is that Hooker's ideas provided many of > the philosophical > underpinnings for our democracy. He was astonished > to find that Hooker has > been so little noted in the history of ideas in the > United States, and his > book is an attempt to redress this. > > The book is part travelogue and part history--very > well researched and > documented. If you are interested in Thomas Hooker > and can find it, you'll > enjoy reading this book. > > Maureen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hooker-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:hooker-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Joy King > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 8:21 AM > To: hooker@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HOOKER] Thomas Hooker from England > > I received this through my RootsWeb PML > subscription. Thought it would be of > interest to some. > > You can follow the mailing list thread here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ENG-BKM-TINGEWICK/2006-12 > > Joy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Liane Fenimore > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 9:59 AM > Source: ENG-BKM-TINGEWICK@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-BKM-TINGEWICK] Buckingham and > other connections > > There is a great deal about Hooker on the internet > and I (and I don't know > much about Hooker) see errors, contradictions, > mispellings (Archbishop Laud > is called Land) in almost all of it. The article > below is from the Great > Migration Series from the New England Historic > Genealogical Society which is > the best research done on these early immigrants > from England. As you can > see, all statements fully footnoted. He has a Bucks > connection as he > married in Amersham. They give his origin at > Rotterdam so their thinking is > that he came from there to America. > > Some accounts say the Griffin sailed from the Downs > - but where is that? The > South Downs? Wikipedia has a nice article > explaining the Downs. Internet > accounts say Hooker came back to England to get on > the ship and sail for > America. I really wonder if he didn't board the > ship in Holland and maybe > the ship made a quick & pre-arranged stop somewhere > on the south > coast of England and picked up other passengers. > Maybe it also sailed > directly from Holland. Many ships did. If so, then > your ancestor went to > Holland, too. > THOMAS HOOKER > > ORIGIN: Rotterdam > MIGRATION: 1633 in the Griffin [ WJ 1:129] > FIRST RESIDENCE: Cambridge > REMOVES: Hartford 1636 > OCCUPATION: Minister. > CHURCH MEMBERSHIP: On 11 October 1633 Winthrop > reported a "fast at > Newtown, where Mr. Hooker was chosen pastor, and Mr. > Stone teacher, in such > a manner as before at Boston" [ WJ 1:137]. When > Hooker moved to Hartford the > > church went with him, and he remained pastor there > until his death. > FREEMAN: 14 May 1634 [ MBCR 1:369]. > EDUCATION: Matriculated at Cambridge from > Queen's College 1604, > migrated to Emmanuel, B.A., 1607-8; M.A., 1611 [ > Venn 2:403; Morison > 382-83]. His inventory included "books in his study" > valued at £300. > OFFICES: Arbiter, 7 May 1640 [ RPCC 11]. > ESTATE: Granted one acre for a cowyard at > Cambridge, 4 November 1633 [ > CaTR 6]. Granted five acres of land and another > three acres of land, 5 > January 1633/4 [ CaTR 7]. Granted "five acres of > meadow ground in the mead > next Watertown weir" and "thirty acres of salt marsh > on the south side > Charles River," 2 April 1635 [ CaTR 12]. In the > divison of meadow land on 20 > August 1635 granted a proportional share of zero [ > CaTR 13]. Granted three > acres, 8 February 1635/6 [ CaTR 17]. In the 8 > February 1635/6 list of > "houses" in the town, "Mr. Tho[mas] Hooker" held > four [ CaTR 18]. > In the Cambridge land inventory on 1 May 1635 > Thomas Hooker held four > parcels of land: "in the town one house with garden > and backside about one > rood"; "in Cowyard Row one cow house and yard about > one acre"; "in Wigwam > Neck about five acres"; and "in the Long Marsh about > three acres" [ CaBOP > 3-4]. On 2 May 1636 "Thomas Hooker of the New Towne" > sold to Nicholas > Danforth "about one acre of land being the lot of > Edward Hopkins" [ CaBOP > 38]. > There is no entry in the Hartford land > inventory of 1640 for Thomas > Hooker, but his name is mentioned frequently as an > abutter in other entries > [ HaBOP passim]. > In his will, dated 7 July 1647 and proved > apparently in 1649, "Thomas > Hooker of Hartford" bequeathed to "my son John > Hooker my housing and lands > in Hartford, aforesaid, both that which is on the > west, and also that which > is on the east side of the River, to be enjoyed by > him and his heirs > forever, after the death of my wife, Susanna Hooker, > provided he be then at > the age of one and twenty years, it being my will > that my said dear wife > shall enjoy and possess my said housing and lands > during her natural life"; > to "my son John my library of printed books and > manuscripts" provided he > "deliver to my son Samuell" books to the value of > £50, or the cash > equivalent, and "if my son John do not go on to the > perfecting of his > studies, or shall not give up himself to the service > of the Lord in the work > of the ministry, my will is that my son Samuel enjoy > and possess the whole > library and mansucripts, to his proper use forever; > only, it is my will that > whatever manuscripts shall be judged meet to be > printed ... and however I do > not forbid my son John from seeking and taking a > wife in England, yet I do > forbid him from marrying and tarrying there"; to "my > son Samuell, in case > the whole library come not to him, as is before > expressed, the sum of > seventy pounds"; to "my daughter Sarah Hooker" £100 > at marriage or at age > twenty-one, "the disposal and further education of > her and the rest, I leave > to my wife"; to "the two children of my daughter > Joannah Shephard deceased, > and the child of my daughter Mary Newton, to each of > them ten pounds"; "my > beloved wife Susanna Hooker" to be executrix and to > receive the residue of > the estate; "my beloved friends Mr. Edward Hopkins > and Mr. William Goodwyn" > to be overseers [ Hartford PD Case #2841; CCCR > 1:498-501; Manwaring > === message truncated === test'; "> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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