I guess everyone out there knows that the Puritans went from Eng to Holland and lived there for a time to worshop free of the rule/authority of the Church of Eng. (the "state"/national church) Holland/; the Netherlands had freedom of religion, even then (late 1500s - early 1600s). Some Puritans remained there in that area, but some, thinking their children were becoming too much like the Dutch, wanted to start their own colony and went to New Eng/MA. Remembering that some stayed in the Netherlands at that time - some of them may later have migrated to the US from Holland and still had the name Hooker - or it could have changed some to a more Dutch spelling like Hocker or Hoeker from their having remained in Holland?? Also, it is interesting to note that in leaving the Netherlands their leader there, who felt he was too old for a long sea journey, told the people leaving "do not become rigid and make a lot of rules - keep people from worshipping freely," and as soon as they got to New Eng they did just that!!! Made it so that one could not jpoin the Puritans unless one had land and money and unless one's father AND g-father had been members of a Puritan group - so they did just what they wanted to escape from - made a lot of rules that kept people under strict religious laws and combined the offices of church and state which they had fled Eng in the first place to avoid!! The Puritan governors and leaders, like the Winthrope mentioned here, were also the ones who ruled the Puritan church and selected the Puritan mionisters - turning New Eng./MA into a colony where the Puritan church was the only allowed church in the early colonial days!! Remeber The Scarlet Letter??!! Celeste --- Joy King <joyk@sc.rr.com> wrote: > I received this through my RootsWeb PML > subscription. Thought it would be of interest to > some. > > You can follow the mailing list thread here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ENG-BKM-TINGEWICK/2006-12 > > Joy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Liane Fenimore > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 9:59 AM > Source: ENG-BKM-TINGEWICK@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-BKM-TINGEWICK] Buckingham and > other connections > > There is a great deal about Hooker on the internet > and I (and I don't know much about Hooker) see > errors, contradictions, mispellings (Archbishop Laud > is called Land) in almost all of it. The article > below is from the Great Migration Series from the > New England Historic Genealogical Society which is > the best research done on these early immigrants > from England. As you can see, all statements fully > footnoted. He has a Bucks connection as he married > in Amersham. They give his origin at Rotterdam so > their thinking is that he came from there to > America. > > Some accounts say the Griffin sailed from the Downs > - but where is that? The South Downs? Wikipedia has > a nice article explaining the Downs. Internet > accounts say Hooker came back to England to get on > the ship and sail for America. I really wonder if > he didn't board the ship in Holland and maybe the > ship made a quick & pre-arranged stop somewhere on > the south > coast of England and picked up other passengers. > Maybe it also sailed directly from Holland. Many > ships did. If so, then your ancestor went to > Holland, too. > THOMAS HOOKER > > ORIGIN: Rotterdam > MIGRATION: 1633 in the Griffin [ WJ 1:129] > FIRST RESIDENCE: Cambridge > REMOVES: Hartford 1636 > OCCUPATION: Minister. > CHURCH MEMBERSHIP: On 11 October 1633 Winthrop > reported a "fast at Newtown, where Mr. Hooker was > chosen pastor, and Mr. Stone teacher, in such a > manner as before at Boston" [ WJ 1:137]. When Hooker > moved to Hartford the > church went with him, and he remained pastor there > until his death. > FREEMAN: 14 May 1634 [ MBCR 1:369]. > EDUCATION: Matriculated at Cambridge from > Queen's College 1604, migrated to Emmanuel, B.A., > 1607-8; M.A., 1611 [ Venn 2:403; Morison 382-83]. > His inventory included "books in his study" valued > at £300. > OFFICES: Arbiter, 7 May 1640 [ RPCC 11]. > ESTATE: Granted one acre for a cowyard at > Cambridge, 4 November 1633 [ CaTR 6]. Granted five > acres of land and another three acres of land, 5 > January 1633/4 [ CaTR 7]. Granted "five acres of > meadow ground in the mead next Watertown weir" and > "thirty acres of salt marsh on the south side > Charles River," 2 April 1635 [ CaTR 12]. In the > divison of meadow land on 20 August 1635 granted a > proportional share of zero [ CaTR 13]. Granted three > acres, 8 February 1635/6 [ CaTR 17]. In the 8 > February 1635/6 list of "houses" in the town, "Mr. > Tho[mas] Hooker" held four [ CaTR 18]. > In the Cambridge land inventory on 1 May 1635 > Thomas Hooker held four parcels of land: "in the > town one house with garden and backside about one > rood"; "in Cowyard Row one cow house and yard about > one acre"; "in Wigwam Neck about five acres"; and > "in the Long Marsh about three acres" [ CaBOP 3-4]. > On 2 May 1636 "Thomas Hooker of the New Towne" sold > to Nicholas Danforth "about one acre of land being > the lot of Edward Hopkins" [ CaBOP 38]. > There is no entry in the Hartford land > inventory of 1640 for Thomas Hooker, but his name is > mentioned frequently as an abutter in other entries > [ HaBOP passim]. > In his will, dated 7 July 1647 and proved > apparently in 1649, "Thomas Hooker of Hartford" > bequeathed to "my son John Hooker my housing and > lands in Hartford, aforesaid, both that which is on > the west, and also that which is on the east side of > the River, to be enjoyed by him and his heirs > forever, after the death of my wife, Susanna Hooker, > provided he be then at the age of one and twenty > years, it being my will that my said dear wife shall > enjoy and possess my said housing and lands during > her natural life"; to "my son John my library of > printed books and manuscripts" provided he "deliver > to my son Samuell" books to the value of £50, or the > cash equivalent, and "if my son John do not go on to > the perfecting of his studies, or shall not give up > himself to the service of the Lord in the work of > the ministry, my will is that my son Samuel enjoy > and possess the whole library and mansucripts, to > his proper use forever; only, it is my will that > whatever manuscripts shall be judged meet to be > printed ... and however I do not forbid my son John > from seeking and taking a wife in England, yet I do > forbid him from marrying and tarrying there"; to "my > son Samuell, in case the whole library come not to > him, as is before expressed, the sum of seventy > pounds"; to "my daughter Sarah Hooker" £100 at > marriage or at age twenty-one, "the disposal and > further education of her and the rest, I leave to my > wife"; to "the two children of my daughter Joannah > Shephard deceased, and the child of my daughter Mary > Newton, to each of them ten pounds"; "my beloved > wife Susanna Hooker" to be executrix and to receive > the residue of > the estate; "my beloved friends Mr. Edward Hopkins > and Mr. William Goodwyn" to be overseers [ Hartford > PD Case #2841; CCCR 1:498-501; Manwaring 1:16-18]. > The inventory of the estate of "Mr. Thomas > Hooker," taken 21 April 1649, totalled £1136 15s., > including £450 in real estate: "housing and lands > within the bounds of Hartford on both sides the > rive," £450. There was also "an adventure in the > Entrance," £50 [ Hartford PD Case #2841; CCCR > 1:501-02]. > BIRTH: About 1586 (based on matriculation at > Cambridge), son of Thomas Hooker of Marefield, > Tilton, Leicestershire [ DSGRM 5:122-24]. > DEATH: Hartford 7 July 1647 [ MHSC > 4:8:544-45]. Eliot wrote > This visitation of God was exceeding strange, > it was sudden & general, as if the Lord had > immediately sent forth an angel, not with a sword to > kill, but with a rod to chastize, & he smote all, > good & bad, old & young, or as if there were a > general infection of the air; which went from north > to south by degrees infecting all, yea, such as were > on the seas near our coasts were so infected & > smitted. And this is remarkable, that though few > died, yet some did, and generally those that died > were of our choicest flowers, & most precious > saints, among others that were then taken to rest > was that worthy & blessed light Mr. Hooker, who > having a cold & preached twice on the Sabbath (Mr. > Stone not being at home), and ministered both the > sacrament the Lord's supper in the forenoon & > baptism in the afternoon, he was so over spent, & > his spirits sunk, that he never could recover them > again [ RChR 190]. > MARRIAGE: Amersham, Buckinghamshire, 3 April > 1621 Susannah Garbrand [Bucks Marr 4:13]. She > married (2) after 7 December 1654 and before January > 1669/70 WILLIAM GOODWIN [ NEHGR 55:25]. (At a > Particular Court held on 7 > December 1654 Walter Gray was confessed to and was > punished for "his gross abuse & evil in slandering > Mr. Will[iam] Goodwyn & Mar. Hooker in charging them > with the act of adultery" [ RPCC 134-36].) > CHILDREN: > i JOANNA, b. say 1622; m. by about 1638 > as his second wife Rev. Thomas Shepard of Cambridge > [ Young's First Planters 554-55]. (Although Young > annotated this section of Shepard's memoirs to > indicate that the marriage took place in October > 1637, Shepard himself says the marriage was in the > "year after those wars in the country," meaning the > Pequot War of > 1637.) > > ii MARY, b. say 1624; m. by about 1646 > Rev. Roger Newton (she had one child by the date of > her father's will, 7 July 1647; see TAG 14:99-103). > > iii ANNE, bp. Great Baddow, Essex, 5 > January 1625/6; bur. Chelmsford, Essex, 23 May 1626. > > iv SARAH, bp. Chelmsford, Essex, 9 April > 1628; bur. Chelmsford 26 August 1629. > > v SARAH, b. say 1630; m. by 1649 Rev. > John Wilson, son of JOHN WILSON [ NEHGR 61:128; > Sibley 1:65-66]. > > vi JOHN, b. say 1631; returned to England > and married there, Savage says he became a parish > priest. > > vii SAMUEL, b. say 1633; Harvard 1653 [ > Sibley 1:348-52]; m. Plymouth 22 September 1658 Mary > Willett [ PCR 8:21], daughter of THOMAS WILLETT. > > viii Son, d. Cambridge late in 1634 [ WP > 3:177]. > > ASSOCIATIONS: One sister of Thomas Hooker, > perhaps named Anne, married GEORGE ALCOCK and > another === message truncated === test'; "> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com