This James Hooker is the third child of James Hooker (1807-1865), my 3g-grandfather. His name is James Thomas (Jim Tom) Hooker (1830-1903). Ann E listed in census is his second wife, a widow. She was Ann E (Dubose) Hambrick, b1825 in AL, who brought four childern by Hambrick and one black servant, with surname of Hambrick to the marriage. Jim Tom & Ann are buried in Hunt Co, TX. Paul Jackson Hooker

Lucy A. is listed as idiotic and 46 yrs. old on the 1870 census. On the 1860 census in Esom's household she is listed as Lucinda 30 Idiotic. So, this would appear to be the Esom of 1850 & 1860 censuses listed as Isham on the 1870 census. Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: Adella Holly To: hooker@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [HOOKER] 1870 Knox County,Ky. Census with Isham HookerAtten Charlotte Esom has a retardded daughter in 1850 named Lucy ANn age 20 in 1850 hopw old is the Lucy Ann listed in 1870?? Coul be she lived with relatives as she probably never married?? relatives??

In 1850 Esom is 54 and his 1st wife, jenny is 55 - she is plently old enought to be Lucy Ann's mother. (Lucy is age 20 in 1850 on the census you sent me!!) I guess the "Isham" in 1870 is Esom, and, as Charlotte said, his 2nd wife was anmed Elizabeth! She is 20 yrs younger than Esom/Isham in 1870 so is not old enough to be Lucy's mom - Eliz. is Lucy's step mom!!!!!!! Jenny - deceased by 1870 was Lucy's mom. Celeste --- Jmw1431@aol.com wrote: > > Yes, Samuel and Lucindah were listed as Ishams > parents. Which makes sense > that they have a child named Lucy. I believe what > was in question was the > mother of Lucy. Esom is old enough to be her father > but the wife listed later > on was only ten years older. I may be wrong. But > it is entirely possible > that Lucy was Esoms sister. I don't know I need to > look at it further. Will > try to do that tomorrow. > > Joyce > > In a message dated 11/20/2006 4:30:42 PM Central > Standard Time, > adellaholly@yahoo.com writes: > > So SAmuel in Patrick Co.,VA in 1820 had a son Esom > and > one named Isham (as well as, probably, John b c > 1797 > in Va)? Did this Isham move to Knox Co., KY and is > he > the one in 1870 with the girl Lucy Ann? Since she > was > listed with Esom in 1850 as "idiot" maybe she then > lived with her uncle after her father died due to > never marrying - Charlotte was asking about this in > 1870 - a Lucy Ann too old to be Isham's daughter > l;sted with him in 1870 in KY?? She did not give > Lucy > Ann's age in 1870, though?? > > When you and Charlotte were writing about Isham > earlier I never got the e-mail/post stating that > Samuel had a son Isham and also one named Esom - > did > Isham's marriage record have his father's name? > > The fact that people from Surrey Co., NC as well as > Patrick Co,VA witnessed the marriage of Isham shows > there was a lot of "to-ing" and "fro-ing" across > that > border there between NC and VA. I feel that maybe > that > border was very fluid and that the people in Stokes > Co., NC (Wm and his family) might have just sort of > "slipped" back and forth - maybe without even > changing > their place of residence - maybe their land streched > across the state line there? > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to HOOKER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > test'; "> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $310k for $999/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre

I have twice tried to send a personal e-mail to you with the Sept postings by Jack Hooker about the Wm b in NC who goes into Patrick Co., VA c 1808, father of Gabriel,Jesse, et al. Both e-mails have come back as "undeliverable" - I sent them to the e-address you write to the mail list from???????? Celeste test'; "> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420k for $1,399/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre

All the mid-west Hookers are a mix of the descednats of Joseph Hooker of MA whose line went to NY then across the mid-west to Oregon. There was even one Geramn family in thata area who changed their name's spelling to Hooker upon arriveal from Germany in the mid-1800s! Some mid-west (IN, IL, OH) Hookers were from TN and were from Wm I 's NC/VA line (from Wilson Co.,TN) and some from the Smith Co.,TN line (who were from SC and ultimately from Granville Co., NC as Paul just posted). Even some from Robert Hooker, b c 1786 in NC/TN Hooker's line (of the 6 brothers), went into OH and IN from Henderson and hopkins Co.,KY!!! So there is no one answer to where they "came from" - one must look at the censuses at where the oldest known ones were born and trace back as we all are doing!! Celeste --- ggroll <ggroll@core.com> wrote: > Does anyone one where the Ohio & Indiana Hookers > Came > Found???????????????????????????? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to HOOKER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > test'; "> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link $200,000 mortgage for $660/ mo - 30/15 yr fixed, reduce debt - http://yahoo.ratemarketplace.com

As far as I can tell Isham is Samuel's son. In a message dated 11/20/2006 3:20:58 PM Central Standard Time, adellaholly@yahoo.com writes: Esom has a retardded daughter in 1850 named Lucy ANn age 20 in 1850 hopw old is the Lucy Ann listed in 1870?? Coul be she lived with relatives as she probably never married?? relatives?? Celeste --- CharlotteAnneMlr@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know who the Lucy A. Hooker is on the > 1870 Knox County, Ky. > census of Isham's? She could be Isham's daughter but > not Elizabeth's because > there is only a 10 year age difference. > > Thanks, > Charlotte

Thanks Paul - I was asking on behalf of Charlotte who wanted to see which James this was - he is from the Smith Co.,TN Hookers as I had said. Celeste --- bjhooker <bjhooker@bluebonnet.net> wrote: > This James Hooker is the third child of James Hooker > (1807-1865), my 3g-grandfather. > > His name is James Thomas (Jim Tom) Hooker > (1830-1903). Ann E listed in census is his second > wife, a widow. She was Ann E (Dubose) Hambrick, > b1825 in AL, who brought four childern by Hambrick > and one black servant, with surname of Hambrick to > the marriage. Jim Tom & Ann are buried in Hunt Co, > TX. > > Paul Jackson Hooker > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to HOOKER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > test'; "> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Compare mortgage rates for today. Get up to 5 free quotes. Www2.nextag.com

I got your message - the 2nd wife, Elizabeth, was younger. Jenny was the first wife age 55 in 1850 - the first wife, Jenny, was Lucy Ann's mother - not the 2nd wife, Elizabeth listed in 1870. Celeste --- CharlotteAnneMlr@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/20/2006 5:58:07 P.M. Eastern > Standard Time, > adellaholly@yahoo.com writes: > > You stated Lucy Ann (age 45 in 1870?) was too old > to > be Isham's wife's daughter in 1870?? In 1850 Esom > was > 54 and Elizabeth was 55 (Lucy Ann was 20)- what are > the ages of the man and wife with Lucy Ann in 1870? > > Celeste > > > > Celeste, > > I am not sure yet, I have some more information to > add to what I already > found, but I have to go wash my dishes first, then > in a while I will add what > else I found. > > Charlotte > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to HOOKER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > test'; "> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

OK, so Elizabeth was Easom's 2nd wife - was she 20 yrs younger than he was??- does the 1870 list relationships - like "daughter", etc.? I was thinking that Esom's first wife was Eliz., but the first wife was Jenny who was 55 in 1850. Elizabeth was probably younger then?? and Lucy Ann was listed as "idiotic" in 1850 and 1870 according to Joy. I guess this Isham is Esom unless we find an Isham another time in KY in 1860 or 1850. Was thinking it could be Esom's brother Isham, but guess not (do we have that Isham wiht Louisa in 1860 and 70?). There does seem to be a connection and 2 sons (Esom and Isham in Patrick Co.,VA) of Samuel's (besides your John probably being smauel's son, too) since Joyce/the marriage record says Samuel is Isham's father - I guess she is referring to the Samuel living by Esom in 1820. Celeste --- CharlotteAnneMlr@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/20/2006 5:47:26 P.M. Eastern > Standard Time, > adellaholly@yahoo.com writes: > > Esom is 54 in 1850 how old is the "Isham" in > 1870????Samuel seems to have had 2 sons - one > Esom/Eason and one Isham?? Ishame married a Lucy > first > and Esom an Elizabeth. > > Charlotte thaought the wife in 1870 was too young > to > have had a daughter that age?? > > Celeste > > > > Celeste, > > This is what the 1870, Knox County, Ky. Census says: > > Isham Hooker 74 M Farmer 100 VA > Elizabeth Hooker 56 F NC > Lucy A. 46 F TN > > Charlotte > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to HOOKER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > test'; "> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420k for $1,399/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre

I do know how to spell your name, Charlotte - it is just when I write fast my left hand types faster than my right - which is odd as I am right-handed!! My e-mails seem to be "crossing" other e-mails as well as state lines!! I am playing catch-up - when I logged on late last night I had 42 e-mails to catch up on,and it was late when I started!! Is the Iham in Ky in 1870 just a mis-ritten "Esom"? Is he 74 and married to Elizabeth age 75? Is this the census listing that go you started looking for Isham in VA? I never got a post on this 1870 Isham until today?? You stated Lucy Ann (age 45 in 1870?) was too old to be Isham's wife's daughter in 1870?? In 1850 Esom was 54 and Elizabeth was 55 (Lucy Ann was 20)- what are the ages of the man and wife with Lucy Ann in 1870? Celeste --- CharlotteAnneMlr@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/20/2006 5:38:42 P.M. Eastern > Standard Time, > adellaholly@yahoo.com writes: > > I just wrote you an e-mail that I think there was a > lot of crossing that state line between VA and NC - > I > am sure soemtimes w/o even know that the line was > crossed (no big signs "now Entering NC" back then!!) > and I am sure soem people's land crossed over the > line > in tha area like it did along the MS/Tn border! > > Were the parents names on the marriage record? or > where did you get their names? > Celeste > > > > Celeste, > Yes his (Isham;s) parents names were Samuel and > Lucinda Hooker. > > Charlotte > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to HOOKER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > test'; "> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $310k for $999/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre

Esom is 54 in 1850 how old is the "Isham" in 1870????Samuel seems to have had 2 sons - one Esom/Eason and one Isham?? Ishame married a Lucy first and Esom an Elizabeth. Charlotte thaought the wife in 1870 was too young to have had a daughter that age?? Celeste --- Joy King <joyk@sc.rr.com> wrote: > Lucy A. is listed as idiotic and 46 yrs. old on the > 1870 census. On the 1860 census in Esom's household > she is listed as Lucinda 30 Idiotic. So, this would > appear to be the Esom of 1850 & 1860 censuses listed > as Isham on the 1870 census. > > Joy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Adella Holly > To: hooker@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:20 PM > Subject: Re: [HOOKER] 1870 Knox County,Ky. Census > with Isham HookerAtten Charlotte > > > Esom has a retardded daughter in 1850 named Lucy > ANn > age 20 in 1850 hopw old is the Lucy Ann listed in > 1870?? Coul be she lived with relatives as she > probably never married?? relatives?? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to HOOKER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > test'; "> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Online degrees - find the right program to advance your career. Www.nextag.com

I just wrote you an e-mail that I think there was a lot of crossing that state line between VA and NC - I am sure soemtimes w/o even know that the line was crossed (no big signs "now Entering NC" back then!!) and I am sure soem people's land crossed over the line in tha area like it did along the MS/Tn border! Were the parents names on the marriage record? or where did you get their names? Celeste --- Jmw1431@aol.com wrote: > > I was speaking of Isham. The son of Samuel and > Lucindah. Interesting, > because the marriage was in Surry Co. NC. > > Joyce > > > In a message dated 11/20/2006 1:12:32 AM Central > Standard Time, > adellaholly@yahoo.com writes: > > Are you speaking of John in KY married to malissa?? > - > Isham is on the subject line???? The subject line > says > Isham to Louisa? > > This John (b 1792 in TN) might be another cousin - > he > is not one of our 6 brothers, though - we know > where > our John was from 1815-1879.ANd you know where JOhn > b > c 1797 in VA was in 1830-50 and 1870. > > Celeste > --- Jmw1431@aol.com wrote: > > > > > I looked at this. I think he is one of our guys > we > > need to look at him a > > little more. Can you read the names of the > > Witnesses? I can make out the last > > one Malissa White Surry Co NC. I bet she is > > related. We need to see if we > > can find the marriage cert or any info on the > > witnesses. If you can make out > > the names let me know. I will look into it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Joyce > > > > > > In a message dated 11/17/2006 4:44:39 PM Central > > Standard Time, > > CharlotteAnneMlr@aol.com writes: > > > > > _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/isham_hooker_louisa > > _morris_mc.htm_ > > > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/isham_hooker_louisa > > _morris_mc.htm) > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to HOOKER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > test'; "> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

No that was psoted in Aug or Sept by the one working on htat line from Stokes Co., NC. Celeste --- Jmw1431@aol.com wrote: > > Do you have a complete list of Wm of Patrick Co's > Children? > > Joyce > > In a message dated 11/20/2006 12:43:13 AM Central > Standard Time, > adellaholly@yahoo.com writes: > > I think Pat Anderson, who used to be host of this > forum (Pat is from from Robert, b c 1786 in TN/NC, > Hooker's line)posted that a long time ago, and since > we have found out more info - does it show the last > post date on that info? - one other post of Pat's > has > a lot of mis-info that has never been changed on > wrong > dates for Wm and Thomas the two elder brothers. It > could be our guys' father was named Wm, but the Wm > in > Patrick Co., in the early 1800s had crossed over > from > NC c 1808 and is in Jack's line from Stokes Co., > NC. > His chidlren are known. > > The Wm in Stokes Co., NC crossed (back?) over into > VA c 1808 - jack posted all this info recenlty on > this > list. > Celeste > --- Jmw1431@aol.com wrote: > > > The William listed here is the son of Samuel > Hooker > > Surry Co. NC. 1700's. > > According to a post by Patrick Anderson on > Genforum. > > This Samuel is the > > grandfather of our George. Does anyone have any > > info on this Samuel Hooker. I > > don't know when he was born. Read the article it > > > talks about this William > > being the William in Patrick Co VA in the time > frame > > we are talking about. > > > > Joyce > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to HOOKER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > test'; "> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420k for $1,399/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre

So SAmuel in Patrick Co.,VA in 1820 had a son Esom and one named Isham (as well as, probably, John b c 1797 in Va)? Did this Isham move to Knox Co., KY and is he the one in 1870 with the girl Lucy Ann? Since she was listed with Esom in 1850 as "idiot" maybe she then lived with her uncle after her father died due to never marrying - Charlotte was asking about this in 1870 - a Lucy Ann too old to be Isham's daughter l;sted with him in 1870 in KY?? She did not give Lucy Ann's age in 1870, though?? When you and Charlotte were writing about Isham earlier I never got the e-mail/post stating that Samuel had a son Isham and also one named Esom - did Isham's marriage record have his father's name? The fact that people from Surrey Co., NC as well as Patrick Co,VA witnessed the marriage of Isham shows there was a lot of "to-ing" and "fro-ing" across that border there between NC and VA. I feel that maybe that border was very fluid and that the people in Stokes Co., NC (Wm and his family) might have just sort of "slipped" back and forth - maybe without even changing their place of residence - maybe their land streched across the state line there? Celeste --- Jmw1431@aol.com wrote: > > Samuel Hooker Patrick Co. VA had a son Isham. > > > In a message dated 11/20/2006 12:19:53 AM Central > Standard Time, > adellaholly@yahoo.com writes: > > Yes, I knew he was not Esom (you had already posted > Esom/Easom for those yrs)- wondered if he was kin > in > soem way? > Celeste > --- Jmw1431@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Charlotte was just curious as to who he was. He > is > > not Esom. > > > > Joyce > > > > In a message dated 11/18/2006 2:02:09 PM Central > > Standard Time, > > adellaholly@yahoo.com writes: > > > > I must have missed an e-mail someplace - were > you > > saying that Isham and Esom were the same - that > is > > not > > possible as we already found Esom/Easom in 1840 > in > > Va > > nd in 1850 in KY on the census?? > > > > They could be kin - when did west VA nad VA > > separate - > > what yr.? > > > > Celeste > > --- CharlotteAnneMlr@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/17/2006 6:38:05 P.M. > > Eastern > > > Standard Time, > > > Jmw1431@aol.com writes: > > > > > > > > > Probably so. > > > > > > Joyce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joyce, > > > > > > Yes it seems like they are. It gets so > confusing > > > sometimes. > > > > > > Charlotte > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to HOOKER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > test'; "> ____________________________________________________________________________________ The all-new Yahoo! Mail beta Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

I figured that out and wrote a PS - it was ahrd to follow with not toomany dates written in - esp at 12:20 1 am!!(it was 1am here nad 2 there!! --- CharlotteAnneMlr@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/20/2006 2:12:25 A.M. Eastern > Standard Time, > adellaholly@yahoo.com writes: > > Are you speaking of John in KY married to malissa?? > - > Isham is on the subject line???? The subject line > says > Isham to Louisa? > > This John (b 1792 in TN) might be another cousin - > he > is not one of our 6 brothers, though - we know > where > our John was from 1815-1879.ANd you know where JOhn > b > c 1797 in VA was in 1830-50 and 1870. > > Celeste > --- Jmw1431@aol.com > > > Celeste, > > We were talking about the Isham Hooker and Louisa > Morris Marriage > Certificate, and the names of the witnesses. I think > that the one witness is Polly > Bowman, and I found her on the census in Patrick > County, Virginia as a young girl. > Her family lived close to the Hooker family. > > Charlotte > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to HOOKER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > test'; "> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420k for $1,399/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre

I have written to you privately about this before - remember you sent me the info on the Wm and Thomas in Williamson Co., TN(1801-1818 (Darrell found the tax list going through 1818 - you had sent me the tax list up to 1813). This Wm and Thomas, who I believe to be "mine"/two of our "6 brothers" - these two were b late 1770s in NC. they leave Williamson Co.,TN c 1818 the exact tiem our Thomas nad Wm move to Franklin Co.,AL. There are no other Thoams and Wms in TN at that time who are not claimed/documented, and no one claims these 2 except us/me - our line! The other 4 were tied together with these 2 due to their moves together - Smauel (b c 1783 in NC), Robert(b c 1787 in NC/TN) and George (b 1787 in NC) moved to KY together by 1807 (Hopkins Co., KY). All living side by side there - all state b NC except Robert who soemtimes states b TN and sometimes b NC! (Samuel goes back to TN (from KY) c 1808 and marries a Nolan girl there c 1810 and has his first son in TN c 1812 - there are many Nolans in Williwmson Co.,TN - in fact most Nolens/Nolands in TN are in that Co. at that time.) Then at the exact same time That Thomas nad Wm move from TN to AL c 1817/1818 Samuel and George move to Franklin Co., AL from KY and live by Wm. and Thomas (whose older children were all b TN between 1800-1817). Thomas lived right by Samuel B Hooker in Franklin CO., AL in 1820 and Wm lived by George indicating a close relationship there. They all named their chidoren almost identical names. Thomas had one son and some duaghters b AL, but all his other chidoren were b TN before 1818. Wm had his eldest children b in TN before 1818 - no sons b AL. The court casee from 1875 in Mc Nairy Co.,TN states Samuel and John are brothers and that their children and George's are cousins - none of Wm or Thomas' children were involved in the court case which was between Samuel's sons over land one had sold to one of George's g-sons (and later involved George's son, James N Hooker and another of James' sons in the sale). The court case uses the term "2nd" cousins to tie George's g-sons to Samuel's sons, but they meant "first cousin once-removed"!! as Samuel's sons and George's g-sons were in two different generations. John was the only one who we (our line, Darrell, etc.) were not sure about previously to finding the court case, as he was so much younger (b 1792 in TN) and always stated b Tn. This John was the one who died in Hopkins Co.,TX 1879. He could have been the son of a 2nd, younger wife but was definitley brother to Samuel (b c 1783 in NC), et al. George being b 1786 in NC might fit with that John,jr in Granville Co., NC, but the two older brothers (Thoams and Wm) being b c 1777 would not unless John, jr had an earlier wife?? By 1786 there would have been 4 males in this family - with another b 1787 (George). Robert b c 1786 often states b TN so we feel they were living on the TN/NC border when he was born - maybe that county which was in NC one day and TN the next. Washington Co., NC became Washington Co., Tn overnight - as well as some other places along that TN/NC line which went into TN from NC as TN gained statehood. I am sure we will find, as I have often stated, that your Hookers and ours are related and that they knew it back then. Wm Powell was also said to have been cousins with the John (b c 1797) in VA whose g-daughter married Wm Powell's son, Wm P., jr. Indicating that our line of 6 brothers had VA heritage. So 3 lines of Hookers were in Potontoc Co., MS within a 20 yr perios from 1850-70. Our 6 brothers seem to fit in, name-wise with the VA Hookers; Robert and George being big Hooker given names in the VA line but not in the NC lines so much - Samuel was also used a lot in VA. I had told Joyce that the Thomas in Potontoc Co., MS in 1850 was the one from Smith Co.,TN - how about the James in Hunt Co.,TX c 1870/1880? The one Charlotte posted on? Is he onw of yours? I know besides this Thomas other cousins of his went to Hunt Co.,TX about that time from Smith Co., TN . Glad you posted on this Thomas. Also we now know this Columbus was not b a Hooekr, Joyce! Celeste --- bjhooker <bjhooker@bluebonnet.net> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bjhooker > To: Hooker@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 9:27 PM > Subject: Re: Hookers in Pontotoc Co,MS > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bjhooker > To: Hooker@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 10:36 PM > Subject: Re: Hookers in Pontotoc Co,MS > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bjhooker > To: ROOTS@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:07 AM > Subject: Hookers in Pontotoc Co,MS > > > Thomas Hooker in 1850 Census of Pontotoc Co, MS > is the seventh child of Thomas & Sarah Hooker > listed in the 1820 census of Smith Co, TN. He > migrated there in 1840 as a single 19 year old. > There he married Martha (Justice) Dement, a widow, > who had a son , born in1845, named Columbus F > Dement. They had four children born in MS before > they migrated to Hunt Co, TX in 1854. After the > Civil War, Thomas migrated to Hill Co, TX, then to > Erath Co, TX where he died 20 Mar 1902 and is buried > at Duffau, Erath Co, TX. > > This Thomas Hooker (1821-1902) is the only child > of Thomas (c1778-1831)& Sarah Hooker of Smith Co,TN > who ever came through MS to TX. All the others > migrated TN>MO>TX or TN>TX. By 1860 they had > settled the Hooker Ridge community in Hunt Co,TX. > > I have always wondered why Thomas (1821-1902) > went to Pontotoc Co,MS? None of our family history > mentions any relations there.........However, by the > late 1800's Wm Powell Hooker Jr has migrated from > Pontotoc Co, MS to Wood Co, TX, (borders Hunt Co on > the East). Yantis area they settled in is about 25 > miles (as the crow flies) NE of Hooker Ridge > community. ( Hooker Ridge community in present day > Raines Co). Wm Powell desendants still live in the > Yantis, TX area. > > ........and another however....John (1792-1879) > & Mary A. (Reed) Hooker migrated to Hopkins Co, TX > in 1874 with dau & son-in law, Roddy J & Emersley > Catherine (Hooker) Wickers from Hardin Co,TN. > Hopkins Co joins Wood Co on the South and Hunt Co on > the West. > > Surely there is some family tie here. > > Data I have to date points to John Hooker (1786 > census Granville Co, NC) as being the PROBABLE > father of John Jr (d Granville Co 1800), William (d > Smith Co, TN 1807), Thomas (c1778-1831 Smith Co, > TN), Absalom (c1783-1860-70), James (c1781-d29 July > 1847 Greenville Co, SC....desendants still in > Greenville area.) > > Darrell Hooker indicated at one time ,he thought > his line may have connection to Granville Co. This > would be Geo, father of Wm Powell Hooker Sr,I think. > John Hooker Jr, in 1786 census of Granville Co, has > 3 males 21-60(assumed sons) who are gone from > household by 1800. John Jr married Elizabeth > Bradford c1780. Could Geo have been their son? > > I have tried to follow you'alls postings on the > 6 brothers, but didn't understand the McNairy Co, TN > court case defining all 6 as brothers. > > Paul Jackson Hooker test'; "> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420k for $1,399/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre

I believe VA required the parents permission of anyone under 21. NC may have had a younger age limit. Isham's age looks like 18, and even though both of his parents and there place of residence was given, nothing is entered in the "permission" area of the certificate. Also notice they were married at the home of the JP (Joseph White) that married them. The two White witnesses are no doubt part of Joseph White's family. Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: Jmw1431@aol.com To: hooker@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [HOOKER] Isham Hooker Marriage Certificate to Louisa Morri/Atten Joyce I was speaking of Isham. The son of Samuel and Lucindah. Interesting, because the marriage was in Surry Co. NC. Joyce

OK, I got lost again - where did this Isham come from - this one in KY?? This is not the Isham in VA - I am thinking this is not Esom, so is this Isham a son of James or Samuel? or one of George R Hooker's. Esom has a retardded daughter in 1850 named Lucy ANn age 20 in 1850 hopw old is the Lucy Ann listed in 1870?? Coul be she lived with relatives as she probably never married?? relatives?? Celeste --- CharlotteAnneMlr@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know who the Lucy A. Hooker is on the > 1870 Knox County, Ky. > census of Isham's? She could be Isham's daughter but > not Elizabeth's because > there is only a 10 year age difference. > > Thanks, > Charlotte > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to HOOKER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > test'; "> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link $420k for $1,399/mo. Think You Pay Too Much For Your Mortgage? Find Out! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre

----- Original Message ----- From: bjhooker To: Hooker@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 9:27 PM Subject: Re: Hookers in Pontotoc Co,MS ----- Original Message ----- From: bjhooker To: Hooker@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 10:36 PM Subject: Re: Hookers in Pontotoc Co,MS ----- Original Message ----- From: bjhooker To: ROOTS@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:07 AM Subject: Hookers in Pontotoc Co,MS Thomas Hooker in 1850 Census of Pontotoc Co, MS is the seventh child of Thomas & Sarah Hooker listed in the 1820 census of Smith Co, TN. He migrated there in 1840 as a single 19 year old. There he married Martha (Justice) Dement, a widow, who had a son , born in1845, named Columbus F Dement. They had four children born in MS before they migrated to Hunt Co, TX in 1854. After the Civil War, Thomas migrated to Hill Co, TX, then to Erath Co, TX where he died 20 Mar 1902 and is buried at Duffau, Erath Co, TX. This Thomas Hooker (1821-1902) is the only child of Thomas (c1778-1831)& Sarah Hooker of Smith Co,TN who ever came through MS to TX. All the others migrated TN>MO>TX or TN>TX. By 1860 they had settled the Hooker Ridge community in Hunt Co,TX. I have always wondered why Thomas (1821-1902) went to Pontotoc Co,MS? None of our family history mentions any relations there.........However, by the late 1800's Wm Powell Hooker Jr has migrated from Pontotoc Co, MS to Wood Co, TX, (borders Hunt Co on the East). Yantis area they settled in is about 25 miles (as the crow flies) NE of Hooker Ridge community. ( Hooker Ridge community in present day Raines Co). Wm Powell desendants still live in the Yantis, TX area. ........and another however....John (1792-1879) & Mary A. (Reed) Hooker migrated to Hopkins Co, TX in 1874 with dau & son-in law, Roddy J & Emersley Catherine (Hooker) Wickers from Hardin Co,TN. Hopkins Co joins Wood Co on the South and Hunt Co on the West. Surely there is some family tie here. Data I have to date points to John Hooker (1786 census Granville Co, NC) as being the PROBABLE father of John Jr (d Granville Co 1800), William (d Smith Co, TN 1807), Thomas (c1778-1831 Smith Co, TN), Absalom (c1783-1860-70), James (c1781-d29 July 1847 Greenville Co, SC....desendants still in Greenville area.) Darrell Hooker indicated at one time ,he thought his line may have connection to Granville Co. This would be Geo, father of Wm Powell Hooker Sr,I think. John Hooker Jr, in 1786 census of Granville Co, has 3 males 21-60(assumed sons) who are gone from household by 1800. John Jr married Elizabeth Bradford c1780. Could Geo have been their son? I have tried to follow you'alls postings on the 6 brothers, but didn't understand the McNairy Co, TN court case defining all 6 as brothers. Paul Jackson Hooker

I was speaking of Isham. The son of Samuel and Lucindah. Interesting, because the marriage was in Surry Co. NC. Joyce In a message dated 11/20/2006 1:12:32 AM Central Standard Time, adellaholly@yahoo.com writes: Are you speaking of John in KY married to malissa?? - Isham is on the subject line???? The subject line says Isham to Louisa? This John (b 1792 in TN) might be another cousin - he is not one of our 6 brothers, though - we know where our John was from 1815-1879.ANd you know where JOhn b c 1797 in VA was in 1830-50 and 1870. Celeste --- Jmw1431@aol.com wrote: > > I looked at this. I think he is one of our guys we > need to look at him a > little more. Can you read the names of the > Witnesses? I can make out the last > one Malissa White Surry Co NC. I bet she is > related. We need to see if we > can find the marriage cert or any info on the > witnesses. If you can make out > the names let me know. I will look into it. > > Thanks, > > Joyce > > > In a message dated 11/17/2006 4:44:39 PM Central > Standard Time, > CharlotteAnneMlr@aol.com writes: > > _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/isham_hooker_louisa > _morris_mc.htm_ > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/isham_hooker_louisa > _morris_mc.htm) > > >