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John K Hookers death certificate He died Feb 27,1926 in Nevins Township. He was born August 29,1860 in Indiana Father and Mother Riley Hooker born in Kentucky (This may not be right.) Armina Wiggle born in Kentucky ............................................................ 5. SARAH JANE4 WAGLE (ELIZABETH3 SMITH, WILLIAM2, UNKNOWN1) was born July 1862, and died October 12, 1942. She married (1) JOHN M. HOOKER February 06, 1880, son of RILEY HOOKER and ARMANDA WAGLE. He was born August 29, 1859, and died February 27, 1926. She married (2) FRANK FISHER 1930. Children of SARAH WAGLE and JOHN HOOKER are: i. WILLIAM5 HOOKER, b. March 17, 1880; d. September 03, 1943. 10. ii. ROSIE HOOKER, b. September 27, 1881. iii. RILEY HOOKER, b. February 25, 1884; d. June 1887. 11. iv. H. DANIEL HOOKER, b. August 23, 1888; d. August 15, 1942. 12. v. LAURINDA HOOKER, b. October 1890. 13. vi. GEORGE W. MILTON HOOKER, b. June 29, 1892. 14. vii. CORA ALICE HOOKER, b. November 1892; d. December 19, 1964. viii. CHARLES HOOKER, b. March 21, 1895; d. September 21, 1896. 15. ix. OSCAR HOOKER, b. April 13, 1897; d. July 13, 1974. ..................................... I find on the 1860 census that Riley and Armina Hooker are in Indiana. It shows Riley born in Indiana and Armina being born in KY. There are 4 children with John being 9/12 old and born in Indiana. there is George W. 6, Sabrina 5, Perry 2 and John. Shirley .................... ...........................In Re: Hookers in IN. From Washington County, Probate Order Book, Vol. B “on the motion of Nelson Butler he is discharged from the guardianship of Polly(Mary), Elizabeth and Riley Hooker, minors under the age of 21 years.” June 13, 1837. Settler, George Hooker b New Hampshire, entered Lawrence Co, IN 1820 and settled in Bono township. Land near corner of Lawrence, Washington and Orange. George Hooker’s family have been traced with ancestors and descendants - no mention of Riley and his sisters. George later moved to Clay County. ........................

Thank you Celeste. We can only go back to 1850 with Riley Hooker born 1827 Indiana mar. Armina Waggle ( br.1832 KY) .In The 1850 Census Vigo Co. Lost Creek Township,In. Thank again. George

You do not know his parents? Just that he was born IN 1827? I will keep a look-out. Is there a Hooker family in that area in 1830 that has a son in the age range of riley (age aprox 3 in 1830?? Celeste --- ggroll <ggroll@core.com> wrote: > Thank you Celeste. > > We can only go back to 1850 with Riley Hooker born > 1827 Indiana mar. > Armina Waggle ( br.1832 KY) .In The 1850 Census > Vigo Co. Lost Creek Township,In. > > Thank again. > George > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to HOOKER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > test'; "> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Online degrees - find the right program to advance your career. www.nextag.com

In a message dated 11/20/2006 9:02:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, adellaholly@yahoo.com writes: Charlotte - remember you saying that the ELizabeth he married was Adams? maybe her maiden name was Adams and she is a widow here in 1860 and named Lawson?? well, so now we have Esom from 1820-1870 - that is really good as most times one does not get all the censuses on one person continuously for 50 yrs!!!! But if many of the names get messed up like Esom/Esau and Esom/Isham then we can see why we do not find soem of them on certain censuses!! Celeste Celeste, Yes that is really good. The only census that I can't search is 1850, because I don't have Ancestry, but I use Heritage Quest through the Columbus Ohio Metropolitan Library. I can use it through the Lima Public Library too, but usually I just put in my card number for the Columbus Library. Anyone who can get a card through their library, can check if they subscribe to Heritage Quest, and you can use the card at home to do research at home. Thanks, Charlotte

In a message dated 11/20/2006 8:21:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Jmw1431@aol.com writes: She probably is the stepmother. Don't you know she loved that. Do we know what Happened to Lucy? I was completely lost because Esom is listed as Ishana on the index on Ancestry. And then it's Isham on the Census. In 1850 Esom is in Knox Co, KY in the household is a woman named Elizabeth Lawson or Larson she is by my guess the second wife. Lucy is there and 30. You guys probably know this, but I was lost and am just now putting it together. Joyce Joyce, It gets even more confusing too! Charlotte

Yes, I am so sorry. I'm tired and shutting it down for the night. I did mean 1860. I'll look at this stuff more tomorrow. Joyce In a message dated 11/20/2006 8:02:16 PM Central Standard Time, adellaholly@yahoo.com writes: You must mean in 1860 Esom is living in Elizabeth's household and Lucy is 30, as in 1850 you posted him still with Jenny and Lucy Ann is 20. And in 1870 is when Esom is listed as Isham (age 74) and Lucy is in her 40s Elizabeth is in her 50s . Charlotte - remember you saying that the ELizabeth he married was Adams? maybe her maiden name was Adams and she is a widow here in 1860 and named Lawson?? well, so now we have Esom from 1820-1870 - that is really good as most times one does not get all the censuses on one person continuously for 50 yrs!!!! But if many of the names get messed up like Esom/Esau and Esom/Isham then we can see why we do not find soem of them on certain censuses!! Celeste Celeste --- Jmw1431@aol.com wrote: > > She probably is the stepmother. Don't you know she > loved that. Do we know > what Happened to Lucy? I was completely lost > because Esom is listed as > Ishana on the index on Ancestry. And then it's > Isham on the Census. In 1850 Esom > is in Knox Co, KY in the household is a woman named > Elizabeth Lawson or > Larson she is by my guess the second wife. Lucy is > there and 30. You guys > probably know this, but I was lost and am just now > putting it together. > > Joyce > > In a message dated 11/20/2006 6:44:31 PM Central > Standard Time, > adellaholly@yahoo.com writes: > > In 1850 Esom is 54 and his 1st wife, jenny is 55 - > she > is plently old enought to be Lucy Ann's mother. > (Lucy > is age 20 in 1850 on the census you sent me!!) > > I guess the "Isham" in 1870 is Esom, and, as > Charlotte > said, his 2nd wife was anmed Elizabeth! She is 20 > yrs > younger than Esom/Isham in 1870 so is not old > enough > to be Lucy's mom - Eliz. is Lucy's step mom!!!!!!! > Jenny - deceased by 1870 was Lucy's mom. > > Celeste > --- Jmw1431@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Yes, Samuel and Lucindah were listed as Ishams > > parents. Which makes sense > > that they have a child named Lucy. I believe > what > > was in question was the > > mother of Lucy. Esom is old enough to be her > father > > but the wife listed later > > on was only ten years older. I may be wrong. > But > > it is entirely possible > > that Lucy was Esoms sister. I don't know I need > to > > look at it further. Will > > try to do that tomorrow. > > > > Joyce

She probably is the stepmother. Don't you know she loved that. Do we know what Happened to Lucy? I was completely lost because Esom is listed as Ishana on the index on Ancestry. And then it's Isham on the Census. In 1850 Esom is in Knox Co, KY in the household is a woman named Elizabeth Lawson or Larson she is by my guess the second wife. Lucy is there and 30. You guys probably know this, but I was lost and am just now putting it together. Joyce In a message dated 11/20/2006 6:44:31 PM Central Standard Time, adellaholly@yahoo.com writes: In 1850 Esom is 54 and his 1st wife, jenny is 55 - she is plently old enought to be Lucy Ann's mother. (Lucy is age 20 in 1850 on the census you sent me!!) I guess the "Isham" in 1870 is Esom, and, as Charlotte said, his 2nd wife was anmed Elizabeth! She is 20 yrs younger than Esom/Isham in 1870 so is not old enough to be Lucy's mom - Eliz. is Lucy's step mom!!!!!!! Jenny - deceased by 1870 was Lucy's mom. Celeste --- Jmw1431@aol.com wrote: > > Yes, Samuel and Lucindah were listed as Ishams > parents. Which makes sense > that they have a child named Lucy. I believe what > was in question was the > mother of Lucy. Esom is old enough to be her father > but the wife listed later > on was only ten years older. I may be wrong. But > it is entirely possible > that Lucy was Esoms sister. I don't know I need to > look at it further. Will > try to do that tomorrow. > > Joyce >

In a message dated 11/20/2006 7:17:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, adellaholly@yahoo.com writes: got your message - the 2nd wife, Elizabeth, was younger. Jenny was the first wife age 55 in 1850 - the first wife, Jenny, was Lucy Ann's mother - not the 2nd wife, Elizabeth listed in 1870. Celeste --- CharlotteAnneMlr Ok, thanks Celeste. Charlotte

Lucy A.'s age on this census is most likely wrong and should be 40. Since she's on the 1850 census with Esom & wife Jenney she is most likely their daughter. Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: CharlotteAnneMlr@aol.com To: hooker@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [HOOKER] 1870 Knox County, Ky. Census with Isham HookerAtten Joy This is what the 1870, Knox County, Ky. Census says: Isham Hooker 74 M Farmer 100 VA Elizabeth Hooker 56 F NC Lucy A. 46 F TN Charlotte

Yes, Samuel and Lucindah were listed as Ishams parents. Which makes sense that they have a child named Lucy. I believe what was in question was the mother of Lucy. Esom is old enough to be her father but the wife listed later on was only ten years older. I may be wrong. But it is entirely possible that Lucy was Esoms sister. I don't know I need to look at it further. Will try to do that tomorrow. Joyce In a message dated 11/20/2006 4:30:42 PM Central Standard Time, adellaholly@yahoo.com writes: So SAmuel in Patrick Co.,VA in 1820 had a son Esom and one named Isham (as well as, probably, John b c 1797 in Va)? Did this Isham move to Knox Co., KY and is he the one in 1870 with the girl Lucy Ann? Since she was listed with Esom in 1850 as "idiot" maybe she then lived with her uncle after her father died due to never marrying - Charlotte was asking about this in 1870 - a Lucy Ann too old to be Isham's daughter l;sted with him in 1870 in KY?? She did not give Lucy Ann's age in 1870, though?? When you and Charlotte were writing about Isham earlier I never got the e-mail/post stating that Samuel had a son Isham and also one named Esom - did Isham's marriage record have his father's name? The fact that people from Surrey Co., NC as well as Patrick Co,VA witnessed the marriage of Isham shows there was a lot of "to-ing" and "fro-ing" across that border there between NC and VA. I feel that maybe that border was very fluid and that the people in Stokes Co., NC (Wm and his family) might have just sort of "slipped" back and forth - maybe without even changing their place of residence - maybe their land streched across the state line there?

??????? Joyce In a message dated 11/20/2006 4:28:44 PM Central Standard Time, ggroll@core.com writes: Does anyone one where the Ohio & Indiana Hookers Came Found????????????????????????????

Yes, Elizabeth is Esom's 2nd wife and often the "0"s had "tails" on them that made them look like "6"s. Celeste --- Joy King <joyk@sc.rr.com> wrote: > Lucy A.'s age on this census is most likely wrong > and should be 40. Since she's on the 1850 census > with Esom & wife Jenney she is most likely their > daughter. > > Joy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: CharlotteAnneMlr@aol.com > To: hooker@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:06 PM > Subject: Re: [HOOKER] 1870 Knox County, Ky. Census > with Isham HookerAtten Joy > > This is what the 1870, Knox County, Ky. Census > says: > > Isham Hooker 74 M Farmer 100 VA > Elizabeth Hooker 56 F NC > Lucy A. 46 F TN > > Charlotte > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to HOOKER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > test'; "> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Compare mortgage rates for today. Get up to 5 free quotes. Www2.nextag.com

In a message dated 11/20/2006 5:58:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, adellaholly@yahoo.com writes: You stated Lucy Ann (age 45 in 1870?) was too old to be Isham's wife's daughter in 1870?? In 1850 Esom was 54 and Elizabeth was 55 (Lucy Ann was 20)- what are the ages of the man and wife with Lucy Ann in 1870? Celeste Celeste, I am not sure yet, I have some more information to add to what I already found, but I have to go wash my dishes first, then in a while I will add what else I found. Charlotte

In a message dated 11/20/2006 5:47:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, adellaholly@yahoo.com writes: Esom is 54 in 1850 how old is the "Isham" in 1870????Samuel seems to have had 2 sons - one Esom/Eason and one Isham?? Ishame married a Lucy first and Esom an Elizabeth. Charlotte thaought the wife in 1870 was too young to have had a daughter that age?? Celeste Celeste, This is what the 1870, Knox County, Ky. Census says: Isham Hooker 74 M Farmer 100 VA Elizabeth Hooker 56 F NC Lucy A. 46 F TN Charlotte

You must mean in 1860 Esom is living in Elizabeth's household and Lucy is 30, as in 1850 you posted him still with Jenny and Lucy Ann is 20. And in 1870 is when Esom is listed as Isham (age 74) and Lucy is in her 40s Elizabeth is in her 50s . Charlotte - remember you saying that the ELizabeth he married was Adams? maybe her maiden name was Adams and she is a widow here in 1860 and named Lawson?? well, so now we have Esom from 1820-1870 - that is really good as most times one does not get all the censuses on one person continuously for 50 yrs!!!! But if many of the names get messed up like Esom/Esau and Esom/Isham then we can see why we do not find soem of them on certain censuses!! Celeste Celeste --- Jmw1431@aol.com wrote: > > She probably is the stepmother. Don't you know she > loved that. Do we know > what Happened to Lucy? I was completely lost > because Esom is listed as > Ishana on the index on Ancestry. And then it's > Isham on the Census. In 1850 Esom > is in Knox Co, KY in the household is a woman named > Elizabeth Lawson or > Larson she is by my guess the second wife. Lucy is > there and 30. You guys > probably know this, but I was lost and am just now > putting it together. > > Joyce > > In a message dated 11/20/2006 6:44:31 PM Central > Standard Time, > adellaholly@yahoo.com writes: > > In 1850 Esom is 54 and his 1st wife, jenny is 55 - > she > is plently old enought to be Lucy Ann's mother. > (Lucy > is age 20 in 1850 on the census you sent me!!) > > I guess the "Isham" in 1870 is Esom, and, as > Charlotte > said, his 2nd wife was anmed Elizabeth! She is 20 > yrs > younger than Esom/Isham in 1870 so is not old > enough > to be Lucy's mom - Eliz. is Lucy's step mom!!!!!!! > Jenny - deceased by 1870 was Lucy's mom. > > Celeste > --- Jmw1431@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Yes, Samuel and Lucindah were listed as Ishams > > parents. Which makes sense > > that they have a child named Lucy. I believe > what > > was in question was the > > mother of Lucy. Esom is old enough to be her > father > > but the wife listed later > > on was only ten years older. I may be wrong. > But > > it is entirely possible > > that Lucy was Esoms sister. I don't know I need > to > > look at it further. Will > > try to do that tomorrow. > > > > Joyce > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to HOOKER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > test'; "> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $510k for $1,698/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre

Joyce, not even "replying" to your e-adress lets me get through, and your yahoo e-address also sends back the e-mails as unavailable/mailer deamon!!! You must have some sort of blocker that means you must have to have my e-address in your address book or it will not let my e-mails through - this info is is a "re-post" with comments that I do not want to post on the list. Also, the Esom you posted (several census postings)on Nov 6th (on the Hooker list) was living next to Samuel in Patrick Co.,VA in 1820 (Samuel was older than Esom and is thought to be his father) then Esom was in Washingotn Co.,TN in 1830 (near John b c 1797 in VA), then back in Washington Co.,VA in 1840, then in Clay Co., KY in 1850 married to Jenny all those times, it seems (you found and posted all these censuses on the list) - remember our long discussions about Jenny and her age, etc., as I could not view the whole census screen on my old computer? Charlotte recenlty posted a 1870 census listing of an "Isham" - we think it is really a mispelling this time of Esom as it is in Ky, and Isham (the VA one) has nver appeared in Ky that I know of????? Anyway in 1850 in Clay Co., KY, according to your post of Nov 6th, Esom and first wife - or at least first known wife - Jenny, had a daughter, Lucy Ann age 20, listed as "idiotic." In 1870 there is a Lucy Ann (in her 40s in 1870) also listed as "idiotic" listed with an "Isham" Hooker and wife Elizabeth in KY. This "Isham" is the age Esom would be in 1870 - age 74. Elizabeth was the name of the 2nd wife of Esom (she is listed as in her 50s in 1870 which would probably be right for a 2nd wife)- in this one instance I feel "Isham" is a mispelling of Esom. It appears there is another Isham who might be Esom's brother back in VA. There is a Samuel (older than Esom and probably his father) living by Esom in 1820 in Patrick Co.,VA - there is a Wm. on another page, not livng too nesr these other 2 Hookers in 1820 in Patrick Co.,VA - this Wm (b c 1755 in NC) is Jack Hooker's Wm who moved from NC into VA c 1808 and lived in Patrick Co., VA the rest of his life, but according to Jack this Wm was b NC (and this Wm's father was a Samuel in NC), possibly Stokes Co.,NC. This Wm's children included Gabriel and Jesse and a maybe a Samuel - and this Wm b c 1755 in NC also had a brother Samuel b c 1765 according to Jack Hooker. If you will unblock on of your e-addresses I will send you this info jack posted on the list in Sept. Celeste --- Jmw1431@aol.com wrote: > > Yes, Samuel and Lucindah were listed as Ishams > parents. Which makes sense > that they have a child named Lucy. I believe what > was in question was the > mother of Lucy. Esom is old enough to be her father > but the wife listed later > on was only ten years older. I may be wrong. But > it is entirely possible > that Lucy was Esoms sister. I don't know I need to > look at it further. Will > try to do that tomorrow. > > Joyce > > In a message dated 11/20/2006 4:30:42 PM Central > Standard Time, > adellaholly@yahoo.com writes: > > So SAmuel in Patrick Co.,VA in 1820 had a son Esom > and > one named Isham (as well as, probably, John b c > 1797 > in Va)? Did this Isham move to Knox Co., KY and is > he > the one in 1870 with the girl Lucy Ann? Since she > was > listed with Esom in 1850 as "idiot" maybe she then > lived with her uncle after her father died due to > never marrying - Charlotte was asking about this in > 1870 - a Lucy Ann too old to be Isham's daughter > l;sted with him in 1870 in KY?? She did not give > Lucy > Ann's age in 1870, though?? > > When you and Charlotte were writing about Isham > earlier I never got the e-mail/post stating that > Samuel had a son Isham and also one named Esom - > did > Isham's marriage record have his father's name? > > The fact that people from Surrey Co., NC as well as > Patrick Co,VA witnessed the marriage of Isham shows > there was a lot of "to-ing" and "fro-ing" across > that > border there between NC and VA. I feel that maybe > that > border was very fluid and that the people in Stokes > Co., NC (Wm and his family) might have just sort of > "slipped" back and forth - maybe without even > changing > their place of residence - maybe their land streched > across the state line there? > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to HOOKER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > test'; "> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $310k for $999/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre

In a message dated 11/20/2006 5:38:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, adellaholly@yahoo.com writes: I just wrote you an e-mail that I think there was a lot of crossing that state line between VA and NC - I am sure soemtimes w/o even know that the line was crossed (no big signs "now Entering NC" back then!!) and I am sure soem people's land crossed over the line in tha area like it did along the MS/Tn border! Were the parents names on the marriage record? or where did you get their names? Celeste Celeste, Yes his (Isham;s) parents names were Samuel and Lucinda Hooker. Charlotte

In a message dated 11/20/2006 5:31:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, adellaholly@yahoo.com writes: Isham's marriage record have his father's name? Celeste, Yes Isham's marriage record said his father was Samuel Hooker and his mother was Lucinda Hooker. Charlotte

Does anyone one where the Ohio & Indiana Hookers Came Found????????????????????????????