Hi Donna, Can't thank you enough for the info you have given me :) I was looking at Lemuels records, what few I have. I noticed that the letter A as a middle name only appeared on his second and 3rd marriage lic's and only in my fathers funeral record written by my mom. On his first marriage lic he said his name was Lem Holt. That is all I ever remember him by also. I am very supsicious of the James L. Holt on the 1880 census. Father John C. Holt, mother Elsadie P. Holt. They are in Lawrence Co. Ark. Marion township. This is where I found Lemuel in the 1900 census, 1910 census and also the 1920 census. I am wondering about that middle initial if it may stand for Lemuel. It also states he and his father were born in Illinois. I'd like to know more about this family. Also on the 1880 cenus is a J.T. Holt born in Illinois. My oldest brother's name was J.T. Always thought that was strange but I know they did that in those days and also went by their middle names. In fact, LaVon is my middle name and I have always gone by that. Thanks again for all your help, really appreciate it. LaVon