Bonnie, I'm sort of an unofficial "cemetery hound " down this way ( Middle Georgia ), and I can assure you the smaller cemeteries,plots,and family plots can be destroyed . I have found children's gravestones smashed to bits and plowed under numerous times. Not long ago, I found an older plot with at least 5 marked graves,with a fire break plowed right through the middle of it. Folks haven't always cared as much for other folks' dead. A shame ,for sure, but a fact. Phil W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Sivyer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 1:33 PM Subject: RE: [HOLT-L] Holt, Robert Sr. - Callaway County, Missouri > I'm not clear on this. How does a cemetery get destroyed? Is it just > that > the stones are destroyed? If so, why move any of the recovered stones to a > 'viable' cemetery and leave the remains behind? I don't get it unless > this > was found located on someone's personal property and they just want to > preserve the stones they recovered. Anyone else confused about this? > > Bonnie > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf > Of [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 12:05 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [HOLT-L] Holt, Robert Sr. - Callaway County, Missouri > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Holt, Brandon, Dozier, Vaughn, Henderson, > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Eej.2ACIB/2887 > > Message Board Post: > > Dear Listers, > I am a cemetery researcher in Callaway County, Missouri for the Kingdom of > Callaway Historical Society, located in Fulton, Missouri. Last Winter I > became of two cemeteries in Western Callaway County with have been > destroyed; both of which are Holt Family Cemeteries, Hiram Holt and Robert > Holt (Sr.). I have found Probate records on the Hiram Holt Family and am > preparing to petition the County Court to relocate the recovered stones to > aviable cemetery; however I am having difficulties determining the first > and > second generation descendants of Robert Holt (Sr.) and where they are > buried. Any information that you might be able to share with me regarding > this family and descendants, particularly burial locations, would be > sincerely appreciated. > You may reach me at my personal e-mail address or thrugh KCHSoc using > [email protected] . Thank you for your assistance. > Sincerely yours, > Wayne Johnson > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/404 - Release Date: 7/31/2006 > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

I think there was some sort of plot on my ranch. The area is 16 X 25 or so, fenced - with a very large old pecan tree in it- which was just hit by lightening a couple of years ago and killed but hasn't fallen yet. 'Pretty rocks' surroud the outside perimeter of the fence and there is a stone path from it that leads to where there used to be a gateway in the fence to the road out front. No one in the area now can remember there ever being a cemetery there and there are no markers but I am pretty positive that is what it is. I have not walked around inside the enclosure to any extent but the little time I did poke around- I was not able to find anything like a stone marker. I will not allow the fence to be removed or the area to be altered or disturbed in any way but if and when the land passes out of my or my children's ownership- it will likely be bulldozed and nothing of it will remain. Sky / San Saba County, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Walker" <[email protected]> > Bonnie, I'm sort of an unofficial "cemetery hound " down this way ( Middle > Georgia ), and I can assure you the smaller cemeteries,plots,and family > plots can be destroyed . I have found children's gravestones smashed to > bits

Phil, I understand that cemeteries can fall into disrepair and become ravaged and destroyed. What I don't understand is the point of moving the markers that are not damaged to another cemetery. Isn't the marker there to mark the final resting place of the deceased? I guess this is an issue with me because we know where my great grandfather is buried and there is now a highway running over his remains. He passed away in 1917 so the cemetery wasn't as old as many others yet the powers that be determined the land was better used as a highway. They did relocate remains to various other cemeteries but since the cemetery wasn't plotted and my great grandfather had no marker we now have no idea where his remains are located. My opinion is that if someone is going to move the stone they should also move the remains. I do understand, however, that this is not possible in all cases. Thanks for your input. Bonnie -----Original Message----- From: Phil Walker [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 6:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HOLT-L] Holt, Robert Sr. - Callaway County, Missouri Bonnie, I'm sort of an unofficial "cemetery hound " down this way ( Middle Georgia ), and I can assure you the smaller cemeteries,plots,and family plots can be destroyed . I have found children's gravestones smashed to bits and plowed under numerous times. Not long ago, I found an older plot with at least 5 marked graves,with a fire break plowed right through the middle of it. Folks haven't always cared as much for other folks' dead. A shame ,for sure, but a fact. Phil W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Sivyer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 1:33 PM Subject: RE: [HOLT-L] Holt, Robert Sr. - Callaway County, Missouri > I'm not clear on this. How does a cemetery get destroyed? Is it just > that > the stones are destroyed? If so, why move any of the recovered stones to a > 'viable' cemetery and leave the remains behind? I don't get it unless > this > was found located on someone's personal property and they just want to > preserve the stones they recovered. Anyone else confused about this? > > Bonnie > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf > Of [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 12:05 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [HOLT-L] Holt, Robert Sr. - Callaway County, Missouri > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Holt, Brandon, Dozier, Vaughn, Henderson, > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Eej.2ACIB/2887 > > Message Board Post: > > Dear Listers, > I am a cemetery researcher in Callaway County, Missouri for the Kingdom of > Callaway Historical Society, located in Fulton, Missouri. Last Winter I > became of two cemeteries in Western Callaway County with have been > destroyed; both of which are Holt Family Cemeteries, Hiram Holt and Robert > Holt (Sr.). I have found Probate records on the Hiram Holt Family and am > preparing to petition the County Court to relocate the recovered stones to > aviable cemetery; however I am having difficulties determining the first > and > second generation descendants of Robert Holt (Sr.) and where they are > buried. Any information that you might be able to share with me regarding > this family and descendants, particularly burial locations, would be > sincerely appreciated. > You may reach me at my personal e-mail address or thrugh KCHSoc using > [email protected] . Thank you for your assistance. > Sincerely yours, > Wayne Johnson > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/404 - Release Date: 7/31/2006 > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/404 - Release Date: 7/31/2006

What I don't understand is the point of moving the markers that are not damaged to another cemetery. Isn't the marker there to mark the final resting place of the deceased? > I guess this is an issue with me because we know where my great > grandfather is buried and there is now a highway running over his remains. > They did relocate remains to various other cemeteries but since the > cemetery wasn't plotted and my great grandfather had no marker we now have > no idea where his remains are located. My opinion is that if someone is going to move the stone they should also move the remains. Bonnie, that would be "nice", but costs $$ (above $5K per grave, I'm guessing), so is sometimes avoided for the $$ reason, as families never want to bear this burden. Your story makes the point there is a second reason for tombstones; and that is not only to mark the final resting place of the earthly remains; but also to convey the vital data on the stone to following generations. IMHO, the second reason is the important one; the bones will be of interest only to archaeologists (and that's why I've asked that my college ring and my family shield ring be left on my fingers, and my military dogtag in my shroud); but the granite marker will be of interest to genealogists such as us, and it matters not where it is situated! In the correct "family" plot would be nice, but even that is immaterial, really, for the preservation of vital data! Cleo Hogan Clarksville, TN desc of Pvt Reuben Holt (1755-1839) of VA, NC & TN recent erector of six granite markers for persons born before 1830 co-compiler of 3 vols of cemetery records in TN (1968, 1975, 1986) just returned from a cemetery investigation trip to NC

Bonnie, I can empathize about the highway running thru it..."the powers that be" in GA took my maternal 3rd GGF's farm and with it the CLOUD cemetery on it and paved it into part of the McDonough, GA interchange for I-85 ! Didn't even bother to move or save anything! Such is Progress.....:-( BFaye On Thursday, Aug 3, 2006, at 02:24 US/Eastern, Bonnie Sivyer wrote: > Phil, > I understand that cemeteries can fall into disrepair and become > ravaged and > destroyed. What I don't understand is the point of moving the markers > that > are not damaged to another cemetery. Isn't the marker there to mark > the > final resting place of the deceased? > I guess this is an issue with me because we know where my great > grandfather > is buried and there is now a highway running over his remains. He > passed > away in 1917 so the cemetery wasn't as old as many others yet the > powers > that be determined the land was better used as a highway. They did > relocate > remains to various other cemeteries but since the cemetery wasn't > plotted > and my great grandfather had no marker we now have no idea where his > remains > are located. My opinion is that if someone is going to move the stone > they > should also move the remains. > I do understand, however, that this is not possible in all cases. > Thanks for your input. > Bonnie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Walker [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 6:39 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [HOLT-L] Holt, Robert Sr. - Callaway County, Missouri > > > Bonnie, I'm sort of an unofficial "cemetery hound " down this way ( > Middle > Georgia ), and I can assure you the smaller cemeteries,plots,and family > plots can be destroyed . I have found children's gravestones smashed > to bits > and plowed under numerous times. Not long ago, I found an older plot > with > at least 5 marked graves,with a fire break plowed right through the > middle > of it. Folks haven't always cared as much for other folks' dead. A > shame > ,for sure, but a fact. Phil W > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bonnie Sivyer" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 1:33 PM > Subject: RE: [HOLT-L] Holt, Robert Sr. - Callaway County, Missouri > > >> I'm not clear on this. How does a cemetery get destroyed? Is it just >> that >> the stones are destroyed? If so, why move any of the recovered stones >> to a >> 'viable' cemetery and leave the remains behind? I don't get it unless >> this >> was found located on someone's personal property and they just want to >> preserve the stones they recovered. Anyone else confused about this? >> >> Bonnie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On >> Behalf >> Of [email protected] >> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 12:05 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [HOLT-L] Holt, Robert Sr. - Callaway County, Missouri >> >> >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Surnames: Holt, Brandon, Dozier, Vaughn, Henderson, >> Classification: Query >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Eej.2ACIB/2887 >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> Dear Listers, >> I am a cemetery researcher in Callaway County, Missouri for the >> Kingdom of >> Callaway Historical Society, located in Fulton, Missouri. Last >> Winter I >> became of two cemeteries in Western Callaway County with have been >> destroyed; both of which are Holt Family Cemeteries, Hiram Holt and >> Robert >> Holt (Sr.). I have found Probate records on the Hiram Holt Family >> and am >> preparing to petition the County Court to relocate the recovered >> stones to >> aviable cemetery; however I am having difficulties determining the >> first >> and >> second generation descendants of Robert Holt (Sr.) and where they are >> buried. Any information that you might be able to share with me >> regarding >> this family and descendants, particularly burial locations, would be >> sincerely appreciated. >> You may reach me at my personal e-mail address or thrugh KCHSoc using >> [email protected] . Thank you for your assistance. >> Sincerely yours, >> Wayne Johnson >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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Bonnie, Hope I didn't come off as a "know-it-all ";I know exactly what you're saying. I also can commiserate with you on the " misplaced" ancestor. G Grand dad Long died in a pottery mill accident in early 1890s and was buried very close to a Methodist church . A tornado comes along in the 1950s,blows away the church ,and some say some of the headstones. SOO! GGr Long is supposedly buried under the rebuilt church!! I suppose not such a bad place, but I wish I knew for sure. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Sivyer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 2:24 AM Subject: [HOLT-L] RE: [HOLT-L To Phili > Phil, > I understand that cemeteries can fall into disrepair and become ravaged > and > destroyed. What I don't understand is the point of moving the markers > that > are not damaged to another cemetery. Isn't the marker there to mark the > final resting place of the deceased? > I guess this is an issue with me because we know where my great > grandfather > is buried and there is now a highway running over his remains. He passed > away in 1917 so the cemetery wasn't as old as many others yet the powers > that be determined the land was better used as a highway. They did > relocate > remains to various other cemeteries but since the cemetery wasn't plotted > and my great grandfather had no marker we now have no idea where his > remains > are located. My opinion is that if someone is going to move the stone > they > should also move the remains. > I do understand, however, that this is not possible in all cases. > Thanks for your input. > Bonnie >

Hi Phil, Sorry if my email came across as accusatory. I didn't mean to insinuate that you had any malice or pretentious intentions in your post. I was simply venting my frustration over 'lost' remains. I wish my great grandfather had possessed a grave marker when they put the highway over the cemetery. I'd at least then know where his remains were relocated to. As it is now he could still be under the highway or in some unmarked grave in a random cemetery in the area. We'll never know. Best Wishes. Bonnie -----Original Message----- From: Phil Walker [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HOLT-L] RE: [HOLT-L To Phili Bonnie, Hope I didn't come off as a "know-it-all ";I know exactly what you're saying. I also can commiserate with you on the " misplaced" ancestor. G Grand dad Long died in a pottery mill accident in early 1890s and was buried very close to a Methodist church . A tornado comes along in the 1950s,blows away the church ,and some say some of the headstones. SOO! GGr Long is supposedly buried under the rebuilt church!! I suppose not such a bad place, but I wish I knew for sure. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Sivyer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 2:24 AM Subject: [HOLT-L] RE: [HOLT-L To Phili > Phil, > I understand that cemeteries can fall into disrepair and become ravaged > and > destroyed. What I don't understand is the point of moving the markers > that > are not damaged to another cemetery. Isn't the marker there to mark the > final resting place of the deceased? > I guess this is an issue with me because we know where my great > grandfather > is buried and there is now a highway running over his remains. He passed > away in 1917 so the cemetery wasn't as old as many others yet the powers > that be determined the land was better used as a highway. They did > relocate > remains to various other cemeteries but since the cemetery wasn't plotted > and my great grandfather had no marker we now have no idea where his > remains > are located. My opinion is that if someone is going to move the stone > they > should also move the remains. > I do understand, however, that this is not possible in all cases. > Thanks for your input. > Bonnie > ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/406 - Release Date: 8/2/2006