yes jan o'brien, my holt i have goes to john holt born 1744-1794 to wft est. 1765-1823, son: reverand charles holt born 1762, died 1854, married to martha ratliff born 1765 died 1854,they had james holt, etc. i don't know if we are related or not, do these people sound familiar? peggysyellowrose@aol.com