The Samuel M. Holt mentioned below was the son of James Henry Holt and Laura Cameron Moore Holt. He was born in Alamance County, NC, and was a descendant of Hans Michael Hold (Holt) the German immigrant. >______________________________X-Message: #3 >Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:19:24 -0700 (PDT) >From: GERALD PREAS <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Samuel HOLT >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > >There is a Capt Samuel M Holt born 28 Nov 1862, died >Jan 1924, Lamar County Texas. He had a brother of >Paris, two brothers living in NC and a sister of >Charleston NC. The family had lived in NC for >generations. There more of this obit on TXGen Web >Project Lamar County. >gerald preas >dallas tx

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Eej.2ACIB/2889 Message Board Post: Ann, I had looked at this before and could not decide if I had the correct parents for James M. Holt, born December 1834. Okay, look at the 1850 census of Williamson Co., Tn. and you will find James in the home of William Holt, 36, born Tn. His wife is Mary, 48, born N. C. Also in this home is Meredy F, 20, born Tn.; James M., born 1833; and Martha A., 13, born Tn. Was William possibly older than 36? Therefore M.F. is Meredy F. When was the deed signed? Give me some dates on your Jeffrey and John M. Johnson so I will have something to go by. Williamson Co. is full of Johnsons. I e-mail several all the time. I'll bet Mary is your Johnson daughter. Marie

IN RE Hiram Holt--Callaway CO, Mo 1840 That fellow is a brother to my ggnfather Elijah Holt and the family records here can locate more for you regarding him and his family. Joe D. Holt

I just read on the Houston, TX website that some remains had finally been laid to rest which had been accidentally dug up in the 80's. The Houston Fire Dep't held a ceremony to pay respect to nearly 30 deceased Houstonians- the bones were buried in a donated casket....... I guess that 'whose' remains they were was not known, although I suspect that a visit to the county tax collecter could have traced ownership of the land back and come up with 'some' idea of what families it might have included. Sky / TX Here is the link to the story if anyone is interested- http://www.click2houston.com/news/9622791/detail.html

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Eej.2ACIB/1956.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I am sorry, Ann, but I don't have the slightest idea who the Johnsons were. All I know is that he md. Sarah Goodgine and had the two daughters I mentioned. I do wish I could help you and find James' full name and parentage. I suspect the other name is James' brother and this deed may be from James' mother's side. Let me know if you find out for sure. Marie

Hi Phil, Sorry if my email came across as accusatory. I didn't mean to insinuate that you had any malice or pretentious intentions in your post. I was simply venting my frustration over 'lost' remains. I wish my great grandfather had possessed a grave marker when they put the highway over the cemetery. I'd at least then know where his remains were relocated to. As it is now he could still be under the highway or in some unmarked grave in a random cemetery in the area. We'll never know. Best Wishes. Bonnie -----Original Message----- From: Phil Walker [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HOLT-L] RE: [HOLT-L To Phili Bonnie, Hope I didn't come off as a "know-it-all ";I know exactly what you're saying. I also can commiserate with you on the " misplaced" ancestor. G Grand dad Long died in a pottery mill accident in early 1890s and was buried very close to a Methodist church . A tornado comes along in the 1950s,blows away the church ,and some say some of the headstones. SOO! GGr Long is supposedly buried under the rebuilt church!! I suppose not such a bad place, but I wish I knew for sure. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Sivyer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 2:24 AM Subject: [HOLT-L] RE: [HOLT-L To Phili > Phil, > I understand that cemeteries can fall into disrepair and become ravaged > and > destroyed. What I don't understand is the point of moving the markers > that > are not damaged to another cemetery. Isn't the marker there to mark the > final resting place of the deceased? > I guess this is an issue with me because we know where my great > grandfather > is buried and there is now a highway running over his remains. He passed > away in 1917 so the cemetery wasn't as old as many others yet the powers > that be determined the land was better used as a highway. They did > relocate > remains to various other cemeteries but since the cemetery wasn't plotted > and my great grandfather had no marker we now have no idea where his > remains > are located. My opinion is that if someone is going to move the stone > they > should also move the remains. > I do understand, however, that this is not possible in all cases. > Thanks for your input. > Bonnie > ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/406 - Release Date: 8/2/2006

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Bonnie, Hope I didn't come off as a "know-it-all ";I know exactly what you're saying. I also can commiserate with you on the " misplaced" ancestor. G Grand dad Long died in a pottery mill accident in early 1890s and was buried very close to a Methodist church . A tornado comes along in the 1950s,blows away the church ,and some say some of the headstones. SOO! GGr Long is supposedly buried under the rebuilt church!! I suppose not such a bad place, but I wish I knew for sure. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Sivyer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 2:24 AM Subject: [HOLT-L] RE: [HOLT-L To Phili > Phil, > I understand that cemeteries can fall into disrepair and become ravaged > and > destroyed. What I don't understand is the point of moving the markers > that > are not damaged to another cemetery. Isn't the marker there to mark the > final resting place of the deceased? > I guess this is an issue with me because we know where my great > grandfather > is buried and there is now a highway running over his remains. He passed > away in 1917 so the cemetery wasn't as old as many others yet the powers > that be determined the land was better used as a highway. They did > relocate > remains to various other cemeteries but since the cemetery wasn't plotted > and my great grandfather had no marker we now have no idea where his > remains > are located. My opinion is that if someone is going to move the stone > they > should also move the remains. > I do understand, however, that this is not possible in all cases. > Thanks for your input. > Bonnie >

There was a Hiram Holt that appears on the 1840 Callaway Co. MO census 50 to 60 yrs of age. I am looking for anyone related to the Thornsbury Holt that is found on the 1830 Montgomery Co. MO census and then on the 1840 and 1850 Callaway Co. MO census with sons Wiley, Nicholas, Thornsberry, John and daughters Alse, Dian(sp)onazo, and Margaret. 1840 census indicates that there was 1 more son and 2 more daughters. His wife apparently died between 1843 and 1850. I have been unable to find them after the 1850 census. I am reasonably sure that Thornsbury Holt, Sr was the son of James Holt and Sarah Heflin who married in Granville Co. NC. > Isn't the Hiram Holt listed in 1820 in Connecticut the same one that is in > the 1860 census of Halifax NC as aged 54 with a wife Wealthy(?)son William > H 17, Reddin N 15, Hiram 12 and Annie M 10?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Eej.2ACIB/1956.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.2.1.1 Message Board Post: M. F. and James M. Holt's names appear on a deed to my gg grandfather, John M. Johnson. They are selling their claims, as heirs, to land of John's deceased father,Jeffrey. I am trying to find out how they were related, Would you have any knowledge of this relationship?

Hi all, Hope everyone is doing well in this heat! Here's an article I saved from the ancestry.com library on old cemeteries. I have found that the WPA field reports on cemeteries have been most helpful but I was lucky because the ones I needed are available for Virginia online through the Virginia State Library and the information that was gathered on even small, private sites is amazing to me. So your state archives may have the WPA reports. Also, this is probably a mute point but I thought that states or counties determined the laws regarding private cemeteries (i.e., if one is located on your land you must have a road or right of way to get to it etc.). _http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=8439_ (http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=8439) or _Ancestry.com - Clues in Old Cemeteries_ (http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=8439) Gayle in Maryland with HOLT ancestors from VA. (my gggrandfather is Clemmons HOLT(Martha Jenkins); ggrandfather is James Edward HOLT(Alice Eugenia Spain); grandfather John Cobb (Mattie Elizabeth HOLT); mother Lois Alice Cobb (Angelo Rockelli).

Isn't the Hiram Holt listed in 1820 in Connecticut the same one that is in the 1860 census of Halifax NC as aged 54 with a wife Wealthy(?)son William H 17, Reddin N 15, Hiram 12 and Annie M 10?

There is a John O. Holt aged 48 born in TX both parents born in Texas, with wife Margaret L 42 with William R, Vern a F, Mary M, Thelma, John H, Marg--------- aged 3 1/12 living on Highway #64 in Beckville, Panola county in 1930. Hope this helps. Helene ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 1:16 PM Subject: [HOLT-L] HOLT FAMILIES FROM TEXAS > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Eej.2ACIB/2888 > > Message Board Post: > > Looking for people kin to John Obie Holt who married Margaret Lee > Allred.Thier children are Onie Loral,William Ray,Verna Florence,Lee > Vernon,Mary Mertie,Bonnie Thelma,John Herchell,(john married bobbie jo > browning),and Margaret Lemurl.Can't find John Obie anywhere.Please help. > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Eej.2ACIB/2888 Message Board Post: Looking for people kin to John Obie Holt who married Margaret Lee Allred.Thier children are Onie Loral,William Ray,Verna Florence,Lee Vernon,Mary Mertie,Bonnie Thelma,John Herchell,(john married bobbie jo browning),and Margaret Lemurl.Can't find John Obie anywhere.Please help.

Sky Check with an attorney in your area. Lands can be sold with stipulations. A local Brewery property was just sold with the stipulation that beer could never be produced there again. So I would assume that you could set it up where that plot could never be changed. Darrell in Olympia, WA

In a message dated 8/3/2006 8:08:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I guess this is an issue with me because we know where my great > grandfather is buried and there is now a highway running over his remains. > They did relocate remains to various other cemeteries but since the > cemetery wasn't plotted and my great grandfather had no marker we now have > no idea where his remains are located. My opinion is that if someone is going to move the stone they should also move the remains. Bonnie, that would be "nice", but costs $$ (above $5K per grave, I'm guessing), so is sometimes avoided for the $$ reason, as families never want to bear this burden. Yes, I am a Holt descendant as well. First I would like to say I'm amazed at just how much communication goes on w/ the Holt emails....fantastic! Havent had time to play w/ my research lately but yesterday I started reading the cemetery issues. This has burned me up for years. Maybe due to being out of respect. It's not just the Holt family...it's everyone's family & this has gone on for so many generations everywhere. Yes, I think the mummies of Egypt are cool, really amazing are the bodies of the Bog...but when one really sits & thinks abt it. Always hear of the mummies and what items they had w/ them, etc... They had those items w/ them for a reason...they believed in afterlife...they didn't take those items w/ them to the grave thinking that "oh maybe those folks in a few hundred yrs & especially those in the 21st century will dig us up scatter our belongings & dissect us to find out yup it's a 'mummy, was human!'....then put us in a glass case under bright lights for us all to see!" On a personal note...I dont leave the house daily w/out makeup muchless want someone to see me after thousands of yrs of not having any on! They built their decorated tombs....just as anyone today would purchase a nicely decorated above ground vault & pay thousands for that solid mahogany coffin. I've yet to hear of a mummy being put back into its place yet they keep the tombs & pyramids open for the public to see. Out of respect if those tombs are remaining they bodies need to be placed back. Same goes for when I went searching for an ancestor in PA....they started moving bodies from an old cemetery...til they found so many they quit...so now my ancestor is somewhere from under the grassy part of a park to under the middle of a street, they don't know. Sickens me. HA supposed I wanted to go visit his grave...am i supp. to go block traffic, stand in the middle of the street & put some flowers in a vase?...in Philadelphia??? Guess I could if i want the guys in the white coats to come pay me a visit. Here in Roanoke when I ride down one road there is a hill right above by an on-ramp. I asked around why those were there b/c the tombstones are leaning, dissarray & just the way they were sitting...something didn't seem 'right.' Found out there was a cemetery where they were placing this road & interstate above it so they dug 'em up & sat them there. Say it was a Holt descendant....you'd have to hop the 'STATE' fence to get to it & who is to say the tombstone is w/ the right person. Then I bet you 10-1 the cops would show up & ask what you're doing there on state property. Same goes for reading abt one of my NC ancestors who was in the war...tombstone knocked down & they're digging to put in a subdivision. They need to block off part of that land & leave that area for an old cemetery. Doubt greedy corporate America would do such a thing! Or like one relative I looked for in London....found out he was buried in a cemetery which in late 1800 to early 1900's was dug up w/ the rest of them...some were reburied and most were dumped into the river....why? So a parking lot could be put in, oh excuse me...'Car Park'. Like us folks of today wanting to be buried in that special place we want...how long would we get to stay? Noone can really say #5th gen. great grandma is looking down on us or has no clue what is going on b/c she's gone,gone. The world is a busy place, new things coming up, old things coming down....but my opinion is anyone needs to leave old graveyards alone just to respecting fellow man. If I pay $10,000 to have myself buried in a beautiful coffin, in a place of my choosing etc....I best get to stay in that spot for alllllll eternity! Isnt that why they call cemeteries, graveyards etc....that 'final resting place?' Don't be too sure....I better read that fine print! :)

Our old Hiram Holt land adjacent to I-95 in Roanoke Rapids, NC, has recently been sold to Dolly Parton's brother to build Carolina Crossroads, a huge theme park, outlet mall, shopping center, residential area. They have agreed to keep the Hiram Holt cemetery in tact and maintain it. They will also allow free access to the cemetery to members of the family. So it can be done. Betty -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [HOLT-L] old cemeteries on private land Sky Check with an attorney in your area. Lands can be sold with stipulations. A local Brewery property was just sold with the stipulation that beer could never be produced there again. So I would assume that you could set it up where that plot could never be changed. Darrell in Olympia, WA ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

There is a Capt Samuel M Holt born 28 Nov 1862, died Jan 1924, Lamar County Texas. He had a brother of Paris, two brothers living in NC and a sister of Charleston NC. The family had lived in NC for generations. There more of this obit on TXGen Web Project Lamar County. gerald preas dallas tx --- Helene <[email protected]> wrote: > Dorothy: I have one in my data. Samuel D. Holt born > abt 1736. Hope the > notes help! > Helene > > ----- Original Message ----- This unit was recruited > in Charlotte and > Halifax County Virginia in September 1861. Captain > Charles Bruce was the > original commander, but he was dropped at the unit's > reorganization on May > 23, 1862. 1st Lieutenant Andrew B. Paris succeeded > to command the battery > and served until the end of the war. > This battery principally served in and near > Wilmington, North Carolina from > May 1862 until February 1865. The battery was > principally engaged in > defending the North Carolina State saltworks at > Masonborough Sound > > > HOLT, SAMUEL D.: Enl. on 2/20/64 at Camp Bruce, NC. > Pres. thru 12/64 roll. > Paroled on 4/29/65 at Greensboro, NC. > > From: "Dorothy Brantley" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 10:09 PM > Subject: [HOLT-L] Holt Genealogy > > > > Gerald Preas, > > > > I know there are many people with the same name in > all families but I > > haven't heard of that many in the Holt line with > the name of Samuel. My > > Great-grandmother was a Holt in NC (Onslow > County). Her father was Samuel > > Holt, I have no idea where he was from but lived > and farmed in Onslow > > County, NC. He was born about 1808, married > Narcissa Dennis in 1829. He > > was ordained a Primitive Baptist Minister in > August 1843. That is about > > all I know about him except for the children's > name given in Census. I am > > wondering if you might have seen any material on a > Samuel Holt in NC. > > > > Thanks, > > Dorothy > > > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so > much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland > Collection. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about > your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the > last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Bonnie, I can empathize about the highway running thru it..."the powers that be" in GA took my maternal 3rd GGF's farm and with it the CLOUD cemetery on it and paved it into part of the McDonough, GA interchange for I-85 ! Didn't even bother to move or save anything! Such is Progress.....:-( BFaye On Thursday, Aug 3, 2006, at 02:24 US/Eastern, Bonnie Sivyer wrote: > Phil, > I understand that cemeteries can fall into disrepair and become > ravaged and > destroyed. What I don't understand is the point of moving the markers > that > are not damaged to another cemetery. Isn't the marker there to mark > the > final resting place of the deceased? > I guess this is an issue with me because we know where my great > grandfather > is buried and there is now a highway running over his remains. He > passed > away in 1917 so the cemetery wasn't as old as many others yet the > powers > that be determined the land was better used as a highway. They did > relocate > remains to various other cemeteries but since the cemetery wasn't > plotted > and my great grandfather had no marker we now have no idea where his > remains > are located. My opinion is that if someone is going to move the stone > they > should also move the remains. > I do understand, however, that this is not possible in all cases. > Thanks for your input. > Bonnie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Walker [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 6:39 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [HOLT-L] Holt, Robert Sr. - Callaway County, Missouri > > > Bonnie, I'm sort of an unofficial "cemetery hound " down this way ( > Middle > Georgia ), and I can assure you the smaller cemeteries,plots,and family > plots can be destroyed . I have found children's gravestones smashed > to bits > and plowed under numerous times. Not long ago, I found an older plot > with > at least 5 marked graves,with a fire break plowed right through the > middle > of it. Folks haven't always cared as much for other folks' dead. A > shame > ,for sure, but a fact. Phil W > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bonnie Sivyer" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 1:33 PM > Subject: RE: [HOLT-L] Holt, Robert Sr. - Callaway County, Missouri > > >> I'm not clear on this. How does a cemetery get destroyed? Is it just >> that >> the stones are destroyed? If so, why move any of the recovered stones >> to a >> 'viable' cemetery and leave the remains behind? I don't get it unless >> this >> was found located on someone's personal property and they just want to >> preserve the stones they recovered. Anyone else confused about this? >> >> Bonnie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On >> Behalf >> Of [email protected] >> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 12:05 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [HOLT-L] Holt, Robert Sr. - Callaway County, Missouri >> >> >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Surnames: Holt, Brandon, Dozier, Vaughn, Henderson, >> Classification: Query >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Eej.2ACIB/2887 >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> Dear Listers, >> I am a cemetery researcher in Callaway County, Missouri for the >> Kingdom of >> Callaway Historical Society, located in Fulton, Missouri. Last >> Winter I >> became of two cemeteries in Western Callaway County with have been >> destroyed; both of which are Holt Family Cemeteries, Hiram Holt and >> Robert >> Holt (Sr.). I have found Probate records on the Hiram Holt Family >> and am >> preparing to petition the County Court to relocate the recovered >> stones to >> aviable cemetery; however I am having difficulties determining the >> first >> and >> second generation descendants of Robert Holt (Sr.) and where they are >> buried. Any information that you might be able to share with me >> regarding >> this family and descendants, particularly burial locations, would be >> sincerely appreciated. >> You may reach me at my personal e-mail address or thrugh KCHSoc using >> [email protected] . Thank you for your assistance. >> Sincerely yours, >> Wayne Johnson >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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Bob Thank you as what you write is what I think too. Just wish we had someone to take DNA for this line. gerald --- Bob Holt <[email protected]> wrote: > Donna, > I believe your Samuel was b. bef. 1747, d. bef 1821 > marr. to Mary Binford. > Samuel was son of Nicholas, s/o Benjamin, s/o John > Holt and Ann Crawford, > John was s/o Maj. Randolph Holt, son of the > immigrant Randall Holt. Does > this fit your information? > Bob Holt > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 5:14 PM > Subject: Re: [HOLT-L] Cemetery Damage > > > > Hi Gerald, my line runs down from Elizabeth > (Lizzie) Holt, d/o William > > Henry, s/o William Bennett, s/o David, s/o > Burrell, s/o Samuel. Can you > help me > > go further back? > > Donna > > > > > > ============================== > > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and > Death Records. > > New content added every business day. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about > your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >