russell holmes wrote his oldest is francis as is mine. i also descend from francis to john and then to jonas. jonas was a shipwright and was b. 3 jan. 1672 in stamford, ct. and d. 1732 in wethersfield, ct. he ma. sarah on 11 may 1692 in wethersfield and sarah d. 4 june 1734. their children were: mable, hannah [my line], ann, richard, sarah, abigail, martha, jonas, thomas, phineas, and william. i may have more on rachel waterbury also but don't have that file open at the moment. rachel was b. ca-1641 and d. 1713. i believe i also have all the children and most spouses of john and rachel and the same for jonas and sarah. gary in oregon