At 11:16 PM 7/28/98 EDT, you wrote: >Hello, my name is DarLynn Nemitz and I am researching one of my distant >ancestors, Lydia Holmes. > >In your Holmes posting, you said, "Prior to the issue of the Monmouth Patent >on April 8, 1665, Johnathan visited the Monmouth country and, with others, >negotiated with the Indian Sachems for lands in that part of East Jersey (now >New Jersey). He was joined in this endeavor by a Captain John Browne, who was >by then married to Johnathan's sister, Lydiah Holmes." > >I am looking for information on a Lydia Holmes who married a John Bowne. So >you can see the dates are similar, the names Lydiah Holmes and Lydia Holmes >and John Browne and John Bowne are quite similar. Here's something else to >consider: I do not know where Lydia or her daughter were born, but her >granddaughter, Hannah was born in Freehold, Monmouth Co., NJ, exactly where >your Holmes had lived. Below is all I know of my Lydia. If you have any >additional information which would either link or eliminate these two women, >please let me know. > >MY LYDIA HOLMES >Lydia Holmes married John Bowne and had a child: Sarah Bowne. > >Sarah married Richard Salter and died bet. 1669 - 1714. Richard Salter was a >lawyer, judge and a colonial legislator. Sarah had a child: Hannah Salter >about 1692 in Freehold, Monmouth Co., NJ. > >Hannah married Mordecai Lincoln bef. Sept. 14, 1714, probably in monmouth Co., >NJ. Hannah died in 1810. Mordecai Lincoln was an iron founder who emigrated >to Chester Co., PA. (All of this information came from a book about the >genealogy of the Lincolns). > *********************************************** Dear DarLynn: Your Lydia Holmes is the same as Lydiah, daughter of the Rev. Obadiah and Katherine Hyde Holmes. I would be very interested in knowing the name and author of the book you mention. Does this book say the name is John Bowne? The notes I have clearly say the name is Browne and that this family started Browne University. After copying the following information, I have incorporated some of your listed details into my account. In other words, the information I provide to you is as it was before incorporating your information. I have the following, with the name Browne (as in Browne University), on Lydia Holmes. I have also included information on Mary Holmes, daughter of the Rev. Ob. and K. H. Holmes, as Edwin Salter indicates that Mary Holmes may have been his ancestor and the woman who married John Brown. Perhaps you can help clear the confusion. Again the source of the bulk of the following information is the hand written notes of Mary Leeper (1866-1939), who became Mary Leeper Long of Carrollton, OH, as copied from a Holmes Family Bible. I added the information in [...]. **************************************************** LIDIAH HOLMES: Lidiah (also spelled Lydia and Lydiah) Holmes, the daughter of Obadiah and Katherine Hyde Holmes, was born in America; her birth date is not known. She married Captain John Browne in 1663. John Browne had been one of the original negotiators for land in the Monmouth country during a exploration of that area in 1664 or 1665. Johnathan Holmes, the brother of Lydiah, had also been one of the original explorers of the Monmouth country and had participated in the negotiations with the Indians. John Browne was one of the original 12 patentees of the Monmouth (or Nicolls) Patent. John and Lydiah Holmes Browne moved from Newport to Gravesend, Long Island soon after their marriage. The father and mother of John Browne, William and Ann Browne, had been neighbors of the Holmes' in Salem, Massachusetts. In 1667, John and Lydiah Holmes Browne moved from Gravesend to Middletown, East Jersey. [The number of children that John and Lydiah Holmes Browne had is not known, but some information is available on two of their children.] Obadiah Browne: Obadiah Browne, the son of John and Lidiah Holmes Browne, was born on July 18, 1666. Nothing else is known of him. Sarah Browne: Of special note is daughter Sarah, who married Richard Saltar. Hannah, the daughter of Richard and Sarah Saltar, became the wife of Mordecai Lincoln and the mother of "Virginia" John Lincoln. This "Virginia" John Lincoln was the father of the Abraham Lincoln who settled in Kentucky and was killed by Indians there in the 1780s. This Abraham Lincoln was the grandfather of Abraham Lincoln, the President of the United States. Therefore, the Rev. Obadiah and Katherine Hyde Holmes were the fifth great grandparents of Abraham Lincoln. In addition, Hannah Brown Saltar had a son, named Edwin Saltar; he lived in New Jersey and was said to be from the Holmes line. Edwin Saltar wrote the Early Dutch Settlers and wrote an article on Rev. Obadiah Holmes which was printed in the Monmouth Democrat newspaper of September 6, 1888. Near the close of this article, he wrote: "The Rhode Island accounts of the family state that Mary born about 1648, daughter of Rev. Obadiah Holmes, was married to John Browne, born 1634, son of Rev. Chad Browne. This Browne Family is the one distinguished in Rhode Island and from some of its members Browne University took its name." [The quoted statements are not guaranteed to be actual quotes from the article of Edwin Saltar, but appear to be quotes in the hand written notes of Mary Leeper Long on the Holmes Family. The account that the wife of John Browne was named Mary contradicts other information about the Holmes Family, saying that Lydiah had been the wife of John Browne. Could Lydiah and Mary have been the same person, as in that Lydiah was named Lydiah Mary Holmes or Mary Lydiah Holmes?] MARY HOLMES: Mary, the daughter of Obadiah and Katherine Hyde Holmes, was born in America. [According to Edwin Saltar (great grandson of Obadiah Holmes), in the September 6, 1888 issue of the Monmouth Democrat newspaper, Mary Holmes is said to have married John Browne. Lydiah Holmes also married a John Browne. Based on various sources (cited above), Martha and Mary were different persons, who each married a man name John Browne (i.e., there may have been two John Brownes).] ********************************** Steve Leeper