Repost of a reply to a reply to a query sent to the New London County, Connecticut list: "Jocelyn A. Hubbard" <johubbard@erols.com> wrote: > Saw your post today on the CTNEWLON-L on Lucretia HOLMES, wife of Samuel. I > have no information on them, but curiosi ty has me wondering if you are > looking for Samuel HOLMES who married Lucretia BILL and had a daughter, > Lucretia HOLMES who married William THOMPSON [b. July 2, 1742 in Montville, > New London County, Connecticut, d. 1834 unknown location]. That's about all > I know about them, other than the names of three of Lucretia HOLMES and > William THOMPSON's children, their dates and spouses, and some of the > ancestry of William THOMPSON. > > Would love more on Samuel HOLMES and Lucretia BILL, and glad to share what I > have on the ancestors of William THOMPSON and the children of William > THOMPSON and Lucretia HOLMES. Great to hear this. It certainly looks plausible that we're looking at the same couple. Unfortunately the information you have matches so well with the gaps in mine, and vice versa, that I don't think we have definite proof yet! Nearly all I have on Samuel and Lucretia comes from Henry A. Baker, "History of Montville, Connecticut", published by Case, Lockwood, and Brainard (Hartford, Connecticut, 1896), pp. 327-332. See <http:/web.syr.edu/~rsholmes/genealogy/montvilleholmes.html> for a transcription. Samuel wes b. ca. 1722 and d. ca. 1774. Samuel's wife's maiden name isn't known to Baker. She was b. ca. 1727 and d. 20 Sep 1820. Of eleven children only five are named, none of them Lucretia: Prudence, Jabez (b. ca. 1748, m. Lydia HARRIS), Elisha (b. ca. 1756, m. Sarah HARRIS), Samuel (b. ca. 1763, m. Lucy _____), and Nathan. I've recently learned of a quote from an OTIS genealogy, Otis Family in Provincial and Revolutionary Massachusetts, John W. Walters Jr.; "Colonel James OTIS, born June 26, 1751 at Montville, Conn., near New London, married first, Sept 12, 1770, at Stafford, Conn. Sarah Holmes, daughter of Samuel Holmes of Montville. She was born Oct 20, 1753, and died Feb 156, 1821, at Westfield, Mass., and was a descendant of Richard Warren, who came to America in the Mayflower." Baker tentatively assigns as parents of Samuel "Elisha Holmes and Sarah Bartlett, daughter of Joseph Bartlett of Plymouth, Mass." However, as pointed out by Robert L. Ward, "Unfortunately the will of Elisha HOLMES, which names living and deceased children, does not mention any son Samuel." Elisha did have a son also named Elisha, though, who also married a Sarah BARTLETT! (A cousin on his mother's side). That Elisha and Sarah did have a son named Samuel, b. 26 Jun 1722 in Plymouth, Massachusetts, d. bef. 19 May 1779. (See <http://www.gendex.com/users/hhadaway/harry/fam00493.htm>). Since Samuel named a son Elisha and had a grandson named Bartlett this link looks plausible. The elder Elisha was indeed a descendant of Richard WARREN, for whatever that's worth. There is a plausible, but not proven, line for me back to a Nathan HOLMES, b. ca. 1767 in Connecticut, with hints that he came from Montville; I have been trying for some time to firm up (or refute!) that line and to determine whether this Nathan was in fact Samuel HOLMES's son. Any relevant information would be welcome. Knowing a likely maiden name for Samuel's wife is great; gives me more places to look! What were the names of William and Lucretia's children? Where does your information on the two Lucretias come from? -- - Rich Holmes <hrholmes@mindspring.com> Morris: Thornden (Syracuse, NY), Salt Springs (Syracuse, NY) Genealogy: BELDEN (NY), COLLINS (NY,RI), CURRIER (NY,NH), HANSEN (NY), HAYES (NY,CT), HOLMES (NY,CT), JENSEN (NY), YORK (NY,CT)