I am looking for a nice family to attach Clara A. Holmes to. She was born Sept. 27, 1868 in Illinois. She married Leonard F. Cross about 1886 and they had 4 children: Earl -1887, Harry - 1889, Frederick - 1891, and Della - 1893. Earl was born in Adair Co. IA, and the rest were born in Avoca, Pottowattamie Co. IA. They moved to Omaha, NE about 1901/02 and Leonard died as a result of a fire in his bakery. She then married a gentleman with the surname of Carter. She died on March 30, 1945, and is buried in Graceland Cemetery, in Avoca. The only other clue I have is that she had a sister or sister-in-law by the name of Rose. Might my Clara belong to any of you? I would love to give her a birth home and parents to go with it. Dawn-Moree Dugan

Thanks for asking. My gg grandfather Andrew Zellner b9.7.1798 Bertie Co NC (son of Georg Peter Zoellner, Hessian). Andrew married Rebecca Holmes b8.27.1803 Wilkes Ga. Andrew and Rebecca had 10 children, one of which was my g grandfather,Andrew Burton Zellner b9.24.1828 Monroe Co Ga. Andrew Burton Zellner m Annie Kessiah Edge b ~1831. Andrew and Annie had 7 children, including my grandmother Laura M Zellner b2.4.1856 who married my grandfather Samuel Anderson Hodge b9.5.1847. I have more on Rebecca Holmes but I have not stored it on my HD yet, So it is on one of a zillion pieces of paper. Betty P -----Original Message----- From: Scrimshire [mailto:scrimshire@pvtnetworks.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 5:56 PM To: polombo@unr.net Subject: Re: [GREEN-L] Betty, where does your Holmes line come in and where are they from? Mell

Posted on: HOLMES Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/h/o/HOLMES/queries/104 Surname: HOLMS, HOLMES, HOLMS ------------------------- Searching for Thomas Holms (Holmes), born in New York state around 1829. Thomas is in Edwards County, Illinois in 1860 with a wife and two children, Stella and Horace. Any information will be so very much appreciated.

Posted on: HOLMES Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/h/o/HOLMES/queries/103 Surname: Holmes, Davidson ------------------------- My Horace Holmes lived in Harrisburg, Poinsett Co. Arkansas for many years. Also his son Clifford and wife Elizabeth Davidson Holmes. Harisburg is not that large. Do you think that we have a connection. Clifford and Elizabeth left and moved west around 1925.

I need any info. on this HOLMES 1900 Randolph Co, AR Census, Wiley Twp. 114/114 Morgan, Justin 23 f MO md 4 yrs 2 ch/2 alive Holmes, Francis W. 5 m AR son This person was listed as HOLMES on this Census but later had the name of Walter Franklin MORGAN. Any help is appreciated and Thank you in advance. Mirya Glover Shop Safely Online Without a Credit Card http://www.rocketcash.com

Posted on: HOLMES Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/h/o/HOLMES/queries/102 Surname: Holmes, Simpson Hunter, Smith, Moncrief, Alaxander, Perdue ------------------------- Looking for the Family of Harry Cleveland Holmes, and wife Janetta Bell Simpson. Harry was born Jan 31, 1885 in Sumner County, Tennessee and Janeta Bell Simpson was born March 16, 1884 in Sumner County, Tennessee.

In response to a recent message by Brad Martin and for the benefit of others, I have posted a list of references on Rev. Obadiah Holmes. If others know of addtional references, please post them also. The Abraham Lincoln connection is established; see my final paragraph. I note that a book by Wightman is referenced in one of the books listed below. Incidentally, most references have Obadiah Holmes born in 1606 or 1606/07. The most complete description of the life and beliefs of Obadiah Holmes is provided by Edwin S. Gausted in Baptist Piety: The Last Will and Testimony of Obadiah Holmes, Arno Press, New York, 1980; Gausted, a historian of the Baptist Church, described the life and letters of Obadiah Holmes, because Holmes provides the most complete example of Baptist beliefs in seventeenth century New England. The letters (edited to modern English) of Obadiah Holmes are provided in their entirety. Of particular interest are two books: 1) The American Family of Obadiah Holmes by Col. J. T. Holmes, 1915 [available on microfilm through the LDS Family History Center, film # 1017415, and in many genealogy libraries] and 2) The Holmes Tree: History and Genealogy of a Holmes Family and Allied Families Including Bradford, Calhoun, Clay, Parkinson, Pugh, Rainwater, Storm, and Throckmorton, by Charles A. Noel [Clossom Press, Apollo, PA, 1983, 210 pp., Call No. 929.273 H734n; FHC Film Area# 6125466]. Additional surnames in The Holmes Tree include McNabb, Borden, Ashton, Dodderidge, Slonaker, and Wister. These two books describe the line of Rev. Obadiah Holmes to Jonathan Holmes to Sheriff Obadiah Holmes to Joseph Holmes to Obadiah Holmes (known as the Western Pioneer, who married Mary Clunn) and his many sons, who were instrumental in settling Ohio. Also of potentially significant interest to descendants of Obadiah Holmes is "Genealogical and Historical Letters and Memoranda as to the Holmes Family and Some of Their Friends," by J. T. Holmes, compiled 1900 to 1907, Vol. 1-4, 7, and 12; 5,230 pages. Available from FHC, Salt Lake City, Film #1697429, 1697430 part 1, 1697430 part 2, 1697431, 1697433, 1697434. "Colonel J. T. Holmes, attorney and soldier of the Union Army, was the son of Asa Holmes (1806-1891) and Mary McCoy (1813-1901), daughter of Thomas McCoy. Asa was the son of Joseph Holmes (b. 1771) and Sarah McNabb, daughter of George and Martha Shepherd McNabb. Joseph Holmes, born in Mecklenburg, Virginia (became Shepherdstown, WV), was the son of Obadiah and Mary Clunn of New Jersey. Joseph died in 1868 near Cadiz in Shortcreek Township, Harrison County, Ohio, where he settled in 1797." In addition to the above names, the surname list contains: Akens, Clunn, Pegg, Pumphrey, Thomas, Dickerson, McCoy, McNabb, and "others". Obadiah Holmes is also discussed in Ancestors and Descendants of William Browning Greene and Mary Hoxie Lewis with Allied Families by William E. Wright, Gateway Press, Inc., Baltimore, 1993, pages 246 to 249 (Los Angeles Public Library: Call No. R929.2 G799-13). William Wright gives four references: a) Deforest, Brady, pp. 227-236; b) Garman, RI Roots, Dec. 1989, pp. 85-87; c) Wightman, pp. 285-305; and d) Roberts, Ancestors of American Presidents, pp. 29-30. Reference c. is The Wightman Heritage, Wade Wightman, Gateway Press, Baltimore, MD, 1990, pp. 288-304. Other references for Obadiah HOLMES can be found in VRS to 1850 for Rehoboth and Swansea, MA; James ARNOLDs VRS of RI to 1850 (Newport Co., and Bristol Co.); The Genealogical Dictionary of Rhode Island, by John Osborne Austin, first published 1887, republished by Genealogical Publishing Company, Baltimore, MD, 1978 (and 1989, pp. 103-104), which covers the first three generations for Obadiah Holmes, Jeremy Clarke, and John Audley); The American Genealogist, vol. 19, no. 4, "Additions and Corrections to Austin's Genealogical Dictionary of Rhode Island," by G. Moriarty, Demorest, GA, April 1943, p. 224; also: PELEG BUROUGHS'S JOURNAL (1778-1798), The Tiverton RI Years of the Humbly Bold Baptist Minister- RI Genealogical Society, 1981; and Plymouth Colony, Its History and People, 1620-1691, Eugene Aubrey Stratton, Ancestry Publishing, Salt Lake City, UT, 1986, p. 306. Histories covering other lines of descendants from Obadiah Holmes have been found. "William James Haelsen -- Eliza Lury Green Pedigree Chart" by Eliza Lury (Green) Haelsen provides the line from Obadiah and Katherine Hyde Holmes to Haelsen and Green in 1971 [FHC Film Area # 1033984]. "Holmes Family Bible" from Newport Historical Society of Rhode Island provides information on Holmes, Tillinghast, and Dillingham [FHC Film Area # 0945224]. Also see "Holmes - Boutelle - Adams Pedigree Chart, 1606 - 1910. Genealogical Register for Male and Female Descendants of John Jacob Samuel Bachtel and the Relationship Existing Between the Said Two Families," donated by Mary L. Gillich [FHC Film Area # 1033990]. Col. J. T. Holmes, "Holmes of Monmouth County," Historical and Genealogical Miscellany, p. 303. Col. J. T. Holmes, "The English Ancestry of Rev. Obadiah Holmes," English Ancestry of New England Families, Vol. 1, First Series, pp. 76-80. The line from The Rev. Obadiah Holmes to Abraham Lincoln is also well documented (Gary Boyd Roberts, Ancestors of American Presidents, published in cooperation with the New England Historic Genealogical Society, Boston, Mass., 1995, pp. 33-36, 149-150). A pamphlet entitled, "The Rev. Obadiah Holmes, Prototype for President Abraham Lincoln" (approximate title) is said to exist in the collection of the Illinois State Library.

Is this family familiar to anyone? Descendants of William Holmes 1 William Holmes b: 1851 in Ireland .. +Bridget Bourke b: 1857 in Ireland ......... 2 Joseph Holmes b: 1879 in Longbenton, NBL England ......... 2 Margaret Holmes b: 1881 in Longbenton, NBL England ............. +James Rainsford d: in Ireland ......... 2 Mary Holmes b: 1890 ............. +James Bowe d: in Newcastle, NBL England ......... 2 Elizabeth Holmes b: 1891 ............. +Jack Kelly ......... 2 William Holmes b: 1892 ......... 2 Agnes Holmes b: 1893 d: in Bronx USA ......... 2 Nellie Holmes b: 1894 ............. +William Fraser d: in Newcastle, NBL England ......... 2 Catherine Holmes b: 24 February 1895 in 24 Church St, Walker NBL, England d: 22 April 1984 in Brierwood Nursing Home, Crawcrook, Blaydon Nbl, England ............. +Joseph Edgar b: 11 February 1890 in Vulcan Inn, Alexander St, Newcastle Nbl, England d: 7 February 1953 in Preston Hospital, Whitley Bay, Nbl, England ......... *2nd Husband of Catherine Holmes: ............. +Clement Burdis b: 4 March 1897 Jeanette Iredale Brisbane Qld Australia <jiredale@modemss.brisnet.org.au> Researching:- Northumberland - BOURKE, BROCKBANK, BRUCE, BUTCHER, DODD/S, EDGAR, GOLDWATER, HOLMES, HORSLEY, IREDALE, LOOKUP, SWINHOE, TULIP, USHER, VENUS, WILLIS, YOUNG Co. Durham: EDGAR, IREDALE Cumbria - BROCKBANK London - BARTLEY, BROWN, PROCTOR Australia - IREDALE, PAVEY, McCARRON

Hello everyone- I'm new to the HOLMES list & have a few questions... Has the lineage from Obadiah HOLMES b.1609 d.1682 to president Abraham Lincoln been proven? How about his lineage to the WIGHTMANS of Stonington, CT? Does anyone have a good database of his ancestry? Any info is gratefully appreciated and I'm always willing to share... Regards- Brad Martin http://www.bmicad.com http://www.bmicad.com/gen.htm Researching: MARTIN MCKELVEY MARULLI WOODBURN SCIURBA LEHRLING KING PICCOZZI GARAFALO HARRET(T) CAFERELLI PINKERTON LEWIS SMITH SAWYERS REYNOLDS MOORE CARR CULVER WIGHTMAN STARK STORM PARISI HARRINGTON ELLIS BENJAMIN FLEMING FRAHER (O')DONOGHUE MAZZAFERRO SHAW KIRWAN CHILI LANDOLPHI WINTHROP BARNES FOSTER ESTES RYAN CULLIGLAH DOUGLAS GOODRICH LINDEN

Posted on: HOLMES Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/surnames/h/o/HOLMES/queries/99 Surname: HOLMES, ALLISON, KERR ------------------------- I'm looking for ancesters of Andrew William HOLMES; born October 12, 1837, in Fisherville, VA.; married to Mary Elizabeth RAY; born 1843 in OH. Lineage as follows: Father-John HOLMES, born about 1785 in Ireland; Mother-Martha ALLISON, born August 19, 1798, in Fisherville, VA. Grandfather-Samuel; Grandmother-Elizabeth (last name unknown) Andrew and Mary had the following children: Franklin Roy, Amanda, Elizabeth, Levi, Heber Lee, John, Etta, Josephus Pinckney (my grandfather) This is as far back as I have. I'd like to go back as many generations as I can and would appreciate any help I can get.

Posted on: HOLMES Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/surnames/h/o/HOLMES/queries/97 Surname: HOLMES WEEDEN HUNT GOODRICH GABANY ------------------------- I'm looking for information on: Walter Holmes, born March 25, 1853, in Rocky Hill, Connecticut; died August 12, 1921, Hartford, Connecticut. Walter was married to Anna Goodrich, and had a son, Lewis, in 1879. He may have also been married to Ellen Billings. He also had a daughter, Antoinette (Nettie) Hunt. Her mother is supposed to be Martha Weeden, who could have been Ellen Martha or Martha Ellen. Walter's father, who I'm also seeking info on, was Francis Holmes, who was born 1828, in Rocky Hill. His mother may have been Louisa Adams. If you can help me in this search for ancestors, I would greatly appreciate it.

Posted on: HOLMES Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/surnames/h/o/HOLMES/queries/95 Surname: Holmes, Donald ------------------------- I am looking for information about John Holmes who was married to Sarah Donald. They were from Aberdeen Scotland and it is believed they moved to a location in Nova Scotia sometime in the mid to late 1800's. There chidren were John, William, Forbes and Robert.(There may have been otheres)It is known that William eventually moved to Maine and resided on Swan's Island. It is believed that the father John and his wife Sarah moved to Sullivan Maine. Any info will be greatly appreciated

Anyone out there know about any Holmes in Deerfield, MA.? Rose Adams in CA.

Posted on: HOLMES Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/surnames/h/o/HOLMES/queries/94 Surname: Holmes, Akin, Aikin, Eakin ------------------------- Garry, Right now, I know little more than you, but it is, of course, possible that your David is descended from this "Rev. Mr. Holmes." All I know, right now, is that his daughter Isabel (born around 1699) married my ancestor, Henry Akin, on August 22, 1721 in Woburn, that Henry was from Lexington and Isabel from Woburn, and that they moved to Connecticut a few years later, after having their first son in "Boston," according to records found in Connecticut. So there was at least one Holmes family in the area at that time. But Woburn vital records are just as empty of any other references to Holmes as Lexington. Both towns list the marriage in their vital records, and that is the only reference to either surname that I have been able to find. I'm hoping someone researching Holmes can give both of us a clue! I'll check back here to let you know if I find anything. Can you do the same for me? Carl

I am looking for brothers Luke Hamilton and Rollo Holmes. They were born near Culpepper Va in the 1820's and later moved to Jeffersonville, IN. Luke Hamilton married Mary Prather, daughter of William Prather and Ann Bottorff. I don't have any information about Rollo. ANY information would be GREATLY appreciated. I can be reached at pioneergenealogy@hotmail.com Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Posted on: HOLMES Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/surnames/h/o/HOLMES/queries/93 Surname: Holmes ------------------------- I was told that my David Holmes came from Lexington,Ma But i wrote to someone there and they said that there were no Holmes in Lexington,Ma till the mid 1800s. My David was born around 1780 or before. So maybe he came from Woburn,Ma. If you have any thing on this line down to the late 1700s early 1800s. This line did move to Nova Scotia in 1812 and move to northern Maine around 1830s.It is Davids son James H. Holmes that move to Maine this dau. Mary J.(Holmes)Elliott is my 3greatgrandmother.Any help would be greatful. Thank You G.clark

Honor Cocklin wrote: >Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:04:19 -0500 >From: "Honor Conklin" <hconklin@MAIL.NYSED.GOV> >To: HOLMES-L@rootsweb.com >Message-Id: <sa3f4ecf.001@MAIL.NYSED.GOV> >Subject: Re: [HOLMES] my holmes family > > Is Throckmorton only related to the Holmes in a later generation in >America? I am looking for any connections between the Conklins and the Holmes >regarding the glasshouse in Salem and possible connections between them in >England. I know that the Conklins and Southwick all came from >Kingswinford/Old Swinford. I am interested in the possibility that the >Throckmortons might have had something to do with a Conklin family member >removing to the Throggs Neck area and been one of those who fled to Flushing >after the Indian raid. Does anyone have a citation that lists the 35 who are >said to have first settled Throggs Neck? > >Honor You may want to find a copy of the following book. It provides a copy of the deed to the land at Throg's Neck. The following is extracted from The Holmes Tree: History and Genealogy of a Holmes Family and Allied Families Including Bradford, Calhoun, Clay, Parkinson, Pugh, Rainwater, Storm, and Throckmorton, by Charles A. Noel [Clossom Press, Apollo, PA, 1983, 210 pp., Call No. 929.273 H734n; FHC Film Area# 6125466]. As the complete text of the deed is provided in Noel, The Holmes Tree, perhaps the names of all 35 families are listed. In 1642, John Throckmorton bought land on Long Island from the Dutch West Indies Company to establish a settlement of thirty-five English families "within three leagues" of New Amsterdam. The Throg's Neck settlement was attacked by Indians in September 1643; only a few of the inhabitants escaped. Apparently, no members of the Throckmorton family were present during the attack. He sold his interest in the settlement in October 1653. A point of land extending into the Sound remains known as Throg's Neck is named after John Throckmorton; a toll bridge north of New York City bears this name. >From page 43 of "The American Family Of the Reverend Obadiah Holmes," by Col. J. T. Holmes, published 1915, I have extracted the following: Obadiah Holmes and two other men were granted 2 acres near Salem in an area called Peabody, in December 1639. They established what may have been the first glassworks in America, making window glass. For at least 300 hundred years, bits of their glass were occasionally found at their original site. At one time, the glassworks needed a subsidy from the town. Per pages 42-43, the partners with Obadiah Holmes are Ananias Conklin and Lawrence Southwick (a Quaker). The wife of Lawrence Southwick was Cassandra; they had a daughter named Provided and two sons, Josiah and David. These pages provide a fascinating story about Provided Southwick, of how the people refused to obey a Sheriff's order that she be sold into slavery for being a Quaker. On page 153 of this book, it is stated that Joseph Holmes, a descendant of Rev. Obadiah Holmes, met and conversed with a direct descendant of Ananias Conklin. This meeting took place at a meeting of the Sons of the American Revolution on (it appears) Dec. 1, 1914. The relationship between Throckmorton and Holmes comes through the Ashton Family (per the book of J. T. Holmes). Deliverance Throckmorton, the daughter of John and Rebecca Throckmorton, married James Ashton. Their daughter, Alice Ashton, married Sheriff Obadiah Holmes (1666-1745) and their grand daughter, Elizabeth Ashton, married Joseph Holmes (1698-1777), the son of Sheriff Obadiah and Alice Ashton Holmes. The information is voluminous and I would suggest that an interested person get hold of the two books I have referenced. Steve Leeper 9X great grandson of Rev. Obadiah and Katherine Hyde Holmes and descendant of Throckmorton and Ashton

Posted on: HOLMES Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/surnames/h/o/HOLMES/queries/92 Surname: ------------------------- Sorry, I misunderstood how the web page link was put in. The link should show up here. Link: Descendents of Henry Akin URL: <http://sites.netscape.net/marveljohn1/akins.html>

Posted on: HOLMES Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/surnames/h/o/HOLMES/queries/91 Surname: Holmes, Akin, Eakin, Aiken ------------------------- I was wondering if anyone has information on a "Rev. Mr. Holmes" who would have been living in the Woburn, MA, area in the early 1700's, around 1721. His daughter, Isabel, married my ancestor, a Henry Akin of Lexington, MA, during that time, and I'd like to find out more about that line, if possible. Information we have about the marriage and the family are on the web page given here. Thanks!

Yes, But where about in England? Jeanette Iredale Brisbane Qld Australia <jiredale@modemss.brisnet.org.au> Researching:- Northumberland - BOURKE, BROCKBANK, BRUCE, BUTCHER, DODD/S, EDGAR, GOLDWATER, HOLMES, HORSLEY, IREDALE, LOOKUP, SWINHOE, TULIP, USHER, VENUS, WILLIS, YOUNG Cumbria - BROCKBANK London - BARTLEY, BROWN, PROCTOR Australia - PAVEY, McCARRON ----- Original Message ----- From: lorretta angel curry <hugjunkie@tns.net> To: <HOLMES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [HOLMES] Holmes, Ryan > My Holmes family comes from England, then to Rhode Island and New Jersey > > i have alot of information which I am willing to share >