Maryellen and HOLME listers, I've been trying to trace some Holmes who were in Dutchess Co. ,NY, but probably removed from the Hartford, CT area. Don't have a personal link to your Holmes or Willeys, but do have some suggestions and one marriage record for your Holmes/Willey couple. 1st, there are several good sources on CT. I've been doing work on several lines in Haddam, Stonington, Cromwell Upper Houses, Saybrook, and New London. CT didn't compile its vital records as well as MA did, but D.L. Jacobus has a good book which follows most early CT settlers' line for several generations. It's probably available at a university or other large library in Miama and could be checked before you travel to NEHGS. 2nd, depending on when you're going to NEHGS, you might also want to try this one via their circulating collection: "The Descendants of Geo. Holmes of Roxbury, MA, 1594-1908. To which is added the Descendants of John Holmes of Woodstock, CT" by Geo. A. Gray (1908). 3rd, and also available in many libraries outside of NE, "CT Marriages before 1800" and "American Marriages before 1699." They are good general sources, but perhaps that's where you've gotten some of the info you have already. I think the former lists your folks and I include the cite here (note alternate spelling of Willey -- probably will have to check for lots of variants on both Willey and Holmes): --"Early Connecticut Marriages: Second Book, New London, New Haven Second Church, page 8, John Holmes & Mary Willee, Feb. 11, 1707;" That source also lists another couple who might be related to yours (given the Haddam location) --"Early Connecticut Marriages: First Book, Saybrook, New Haven Second Church, page 90, John Holmes of East Haddam and Mary Canfield of Saybrook, April 22, 1762" 4th, some periodicals to check as well (at least NEHGR may be avail in Miami) Holmes/Holmes ancestry, Connecticut; Connecticut Nutmegger, 25, 4, March 1993 Holmes/Holmes family, England, Connecticut, NEHGR 19, 44, October 1865 Holmes/Joshua Holmes, Stonington, Connecticut, 1678-1729, NEHGR, 142, 2, April 1988 Holmes/Nathaniel Holmes, Canterbury, CT; NY, Mayflower Quarterly, 48, 3 August 1982 5th, I found a few related records (but *unsourced*) online that all give the following: John Willey m. Miriam Moore, 18 Mar 1668-70, New London, New L, CT. John was b. abt 1648 New London to Isaac Willey and Joanna ?Lutten. John d. 2 May 1688 Haddam. Miriam was b. 8 Nov 1653, New London to Miles Moore and Isobel Joyner. John and Miriam had seven kids, including Mary, b. 10 Dec 1685 N. Lyme, New L, CT, and an Abel (not the one you mention I hope), b. 3-3-1682, No. Lyme, New L, CT. They don't give any more on Mary or Abel. The people who posted this info are at : [email protected], [email protected], and [email protected] Apologies if this is old info for you. I have not corresponded with any of them; just passing on potentially helpful contacts. 6th, there's a ton of Willey family info (with sources) at http://www.clinton.net/~mewilley/family/willey.htm On my lines, I am looking for info re: Eunice Holmes/Helmes who m. Wm. Drake. Eunice was the daughter of Mary Helmes/Holmes who was of Amenia, Dutchess CO., NY, estate dated 12/1/1789. Her will mentions daughters Eunice wife of William Drake, Susannah wife of Stephen Downing, Mary Davis dec'd, Prudence Thurstin. Executor was friend, Jabez Flint, Esq. Witnessed by John Denton, Fanna Thomas, and Sabra Burton. Probated June 11, 1789. Will is abstracted from records of Surrogates Office in Dutchess County, Liber B, page 169. I hope the above Holmes suggestions are useful. If you run into any evidence about Holmes removing to Dutchess CO, NY prior to 1789, I'd greatly appreciate it. Best of luck! Michael In reply to ______________________________X-Message: #1 "Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:00:35 EDT From: Mcanfora <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: JOHN HOLMES/CT Hello Everyone: I subscribed to the Holmes List very recently, but haven't posted because I don't have very much to offer. It has only been in the past few months that I learned I am descended from John Holmes, b. 11 Mar 1686/7 in New London, CT, d. 29 May 1734 in East Haddam, CT. He m. 11 Feb 1706/7 Mary Willey, d/o John Willey and Miriam Moore (my 6th great grandparents)." ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Boyer O'Leary MIT Sloan School of Management Organization Studies PhD Program 50 Memorial Drive, E52-511 Cambridge, MA 02147 [email protected] Home Address & Tele (preferred mailing address) 2 Elm Court Somerville, MA 02144-2542 617/776-7352

Hello Maryellen, There is a wonderful resource called the Barbour Collection that covers Connecticut christenings and marriages. It's available in bookform and either microfiche or microfilm. The only place I know of to get it is Connecticut libraries or the LDS church family history centers. Good luck. Alicia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, May 16, 1998 11:04 AM Subject: HOLMES-D Digest V98 #67

Hello Everyone: I subscribed to the Holmes List very recently, but haven't posted because I don't have very much to offer. It has only been in the past few months that I learned I am descended from John Holmes, b. 11 Mar 1686/7 in New London, CT, d. 29 May 1734 in East Haddam, CT. He m. 11 Feb 1706/7 Mary Willey, d/o John Willey and Miriam Moore (my 6th great grandparents). I understand that John Holmes was the s/o Thomas Holmes, b. abt 1626, d. 12 Dec 1724, and Mary Thetford. I don't know if this is correct. I have no other information on these individuals. John and Mary (Willey) Holmes' daughter, Mary Holmes, b. 7 Feb 1712-13, m. Abel Willey, my 5th great grandfather. I have no locations for these events nor do I have death dates. I'll be going to NEHGS in July to try to learn more about the above ancestors, but in the meantime, I would appreciate any information you could add at this point. I do thank you for your consideration of this request. Maryellen Miami, FL (Formerly of MA) [email protected]

Here's some good news. All listowners got this. So if you missed a post, or are just curious to see what's been posted int he past, here's where to go. Have fun! Jude >From ROOTSWEB The new search engine server is now online and can operate at the speed of a full T1 connection. Courtesy of hacks by Dale Schneider, you can search the USGenWeb Archives, now with *headlines* and *updated* to within the last 24 hours, at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm Courtesy of hacks by Karen Isaacson, you can search the archives of any mailing list (except those withdrawn by the listowner), now with nicer *formats* and *updated* to within the last 24 hours, at: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl I'd also like to explicitly thank the folks who provided the resources that have made this new facility possible: o RootsWeb's Patrons, Donors, Sponsors, and Members. o Palladium Interactive, developers of the Ultimate Family Tree software for genealogists. Folks interested in helping RootsWeb provide new facilities can become Members by using the Web form at: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html **************** Judith B. Glad 503/761-7933 As an infamous woman once said, "Anything worth doing is worth overdoing."

FYI-- I found these two at this site: ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/la/washingt/census/slav1860.txt List of Slave owners: Holmes, Samatha Holmes, Jefferson F. Hopes this helps someone. Debbie DeFoi

looking for info on Noah Webster Holmes he married Olly Mae Williams in 1911 in texas - they were living in calif in 1956. Ann

Hi, For those of you researching relatives from Washington, DC, you can now print up Request Forms for Birth & Death Certificates at: http://www.ci.washington.dc.us/HEALTH/vital.htm Nancy

Looking for info about William Holmes b Ireland m 1727 Elizabeth Brownsfield in Chester Co. Pa. Also looking for place that James Holmes d. He was born in 1801 and was in the clay Co. Ill. census in 1880 but can find no record of him after that. He was m to Ann Brownlee. Any info appreciated. Thank you. Cleona

I'll be out 1 May through 5 May, so if there are problems, I really hope they'll wait for my return. Don't start the party without me. Jude **************** Judith B. Glad 503/761-7933 As an infamous woman once said, "Anything worth doing is worth overdoing."

Walter in England sent me this in exchange for a list of US state abbreviations. Thought the rest of you might find it helpful, seeing as how so many Holmeses come from that part of the world. here's the Chapman Codes for Gt >Britain & Northern Ireland & more importantly the correct spelling of the County names >ENGLAND >BDF Bedfordshire HRT Hertfordshire SOM Somerset >BRK Berkshire HUN Huntingdonshire STS Staffordshire >BKM Buckinghamshire KEN Kent SFK Suffolk >CAM Cambridgeshire LAN Lancashire SRY Surrey >CHS Cheshire LEI Leicestershire SSX Sussex >CON Cornwall LIN Lincolnshire SYK Sth Yorkshire >CUL Cumberland LND London WAR Warwickshire >DBY Derbyshire MDX Middlesex WES Westmorland >DEV Devon NFK Norfolk WIL Wiltshire >DOR Dorset NTH Northamptonshire WOR Worcestershire >DUR Durham NBL Northumberland YKS Yorkshire >ESS Essex NTT Nottinghamshire NRY YKS Nth Riding >GLS Gloucestershire OXF Oxfordshire ERY YKS East Riding >HAM Hampshire RUT Rutland WRY YKS West Riding >HEF Herefordshire SAL Shropshire >WALES >AGY Anglesey DEN Denbighshire MGY Montgomeryshire >BRE Breconshire FLN Flintshire PEM Pembrokeshire >CAE Caernarvonshire GLA Glamorganshire RAD Radnorshire >CGN Cardiganshire MER Merionethshire >SCOTLAND >ABD Aberdeenshire ELN East Lothian PEE Peebleshire >ANS Angus FIF Fifeshire PER Perthshire >ARL Argyllshire INV Inverness RFW Renfrewshire >AYR Ayrshire KCD Kincardinshire ROC Ross & Cromarty >BAN Banffshire KRS Kinross ROX Roxburghshire >BEW Berwickshire KKD Kirkcudbrightshire SEL Selkirkshire >BUT Bute LKS Lanarkshire SHI Shetland Isles >CIA Caithness MLN Midlothian STI Sterlingshire >CLK Clackamannanshire MOR Moray SUT Sutherland >DFN Dunfriesshire NIA Nairnshire WLN Westlothian >DNB Dunbartonshire OKI Orkney Isles WIG Wigtown >IRELAND >ANT Antrim DUB Dublin LEX Leix ROS Roscommon >ARM Armagh FER Fermanagh LIM Limerick SLI Sligo >CAR Carlow GAL Galway LOG Londford TIP Tipperary >CAV Cavan KER Kerry LOU Louth TYR Tyrone >CLA Clare KID Kildare MAY Mayo WAT Waterford >COR Cork KIK Kilkenny MEA Meath WEM Westmeath >DON Donegal LDY Londonderry MOG Monogham WEX Wexford >DOW Down LET Leitrim OFF Offaly WIC Wicklow > they are the County names before the >changes in 1974, which genealogists will be more helpfull. **************** Judith B. Glad 503/761-7933 As an infamous woman once said, "Anything worth doing is worth overdoing."

does anyone have a marrige list for Dekalb co,ala? looking for Garnett Holmes- married after 1865. he was son of Lawson B. Holmes of Lathamville,ala Ann

I am having a hard time with William N. Holmes b 1830 in Ireland, d. Nov 11, 1889. He married Harriet Himes in Oswego County, NY Nov 06, 1853. Lived in Mexico, Oswego County, NY. He was a Cival War soldier and moved to Michigan after the war. Had three children Prudence, Mary (Matey) and Wesley John. I need to find out where in Ireland and when did he come to the U.S. I keep seeing a references in Oswego Co. NY on Isaiah, Burroughs, Benjamin, J.N., S.N., Annie, Dr. John, Hartley, Horace, and Elbert. Any connections let me know. Thanks, Rick Holmes

George Erastus Holmes was born in Indianapolis 14 June 1859. He was last seen in Cowley County, KS, in 1880 census. Our family bible says he died in Spokane, WA, but gives no date. When did he go there? Was he married? When did he die? Thanks, Jude **************** Judith B. Glad 503/761-7933 As an infamous woman once said, "Anything worth doing is worth overdoing."

Thomas HOLMES b1785 NY and spouse Eunice, b. in NY, were living in NYC in 1817 when son Thomas, Jr. was born. Did they always live in the city... or were they from some other place in NY? When was Eunice born? What was her maiden name? Any leads appreciated... Jackie [email protected]

Need sources and info on Martha HOLMES b. 13 May 1640 Newport, RI, daugh. of Obadiah HOLMES and Katherine HYDE. Martha married John ODLIN perhaps in Newport, RI. Beverly and Larry Alexander [email protected]

Lafayette Holmes, b. about 1810-1820 in OH, married Margaret Bennett, also b. in OH. Had children: Allen Thurman (b. 1874 in Scioto Co., OH), a girl, and perhaps at least 2 other boys. Moved to KS. When and where to? Thanks. Shannon Behounek [email protected]

---------- > From: TXFISCHERS <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Suggested Project/George HOLMES > Date: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 11:20 PM > > My Holmes lived in KS and in 1890 moved to Edmond , OK. Several are buried > there at Gracelawn. These are the names and dates of birth on my Holmes. Not > much is confirmed because I got the information from an very old paper found > in my grandfathers desk. I think it is my great grandmothers handwriting, > based on comparing to letters she wrote to me in the 1960's but it may be > older than that. Some info I have confirmed from tombstones and newspaper > clippings. > > Wm. T Holmes born Sept 12, 1831 > Elizabeth Holmes born dec 2, 1828 Found tomb stone at Fairlawn Cementary > in Edmond, Ok. very deteriorated but engraved BORN IN GREAT BRITAIN still > very readable. Date of death was Feb 25, 1897 > > I assume she was married to Wm. T. Holmes. > Children listed on my paper. > Wm. J Holmes Aug 3, 1954 > Dorethia Helena Holmes Feb.27, 1857 > Helena Anne Holmes Dec. 27 ,1861 > Jane Eliza Holmes Oct 4, 1863 > Phillip Edward Holmes May 15, 1866 very faded looks like it says died > 1944 > Fredrick Ralford Holmes November 20, 1869 died Dec. 1, 1950 in Gracelawn > Cementary in Edmond OK. > I have his obit and it says : Fredrick was born in Clinton, Huron Co, > Providence of Ontario, Ca to Mr. and Mrs. William P. Holmes. > (Note P may have been typo because the handwritten is very clear and in > beautiful handwriting. ) > Also says he was a peace officer, Deputy Sheriff, and Deputy US Marshall. > he had 5 children and I have info on them. > Fredrick married Ludora Trosper of KS on July 10, 1952. > > Phillip married Ludora Trosper's sister, Sara Belle Trosper in Studley, > Sheridan, KS on 5/20/1888 > > > Therr is a Charles N Holmes 1859 - 1927 and wife Jeanette Lewis Holmes > 1859-1932 also buried at Gracelawn, but I haven't made any connections yet. > > These are the first names of all the Holmes buried in Gracelawn. I have date > of birth and death on most if any ring a bell. > > Eleanor > Elizabeth died 2/25/1897 > Elizabeth died 9/6/1985 dob 10/7/1912 74 years old > Emma died 12/5/1960 > Frank Whitney Holmes died 1919 > Fredrick Holmes died 12/1/1950 81 years old (MY Great great grandfather) > Gregory Ivan Holmes died 10/?/1994 dob 9/30/1959 35 years old > ? above can't read my writing > Infant Holmes 6/8/1947 only date on stone > Katherine E. Holmes died 11/17/1954 35 years old > Ludora Holmes died 3/13/1958 (MY greatgreat grandmother) > Mary Ellen Holmes died 7/13/1951 34 years old > Maude E. Holmes 7/21/1973 93 years old > Roy Holmes died 2/18/1938 70 years old * I need to double check this > next time I am in Oklahoma because my notes taken at the cementary conflict. > > Roy Holmes died 6/24/1988 dob 3/7/1903 See above. I think there may be 2 > Roys. > Viola P Holmes 6/29/1987 dob 1/27/1909 > Y. M. Holmes Buried 1920 60 years old. > > There is also a Theodore Holm, Sr, with the different spelling. died > 2/16/1989 dob 5/24/1920 > > Let me know if any of this helps you. > Do you mind forwarding this to the Holmes roots group. I am not sure of the > address to carbon it. Thank you.

Seth Holmes married Sarah Dora Kennulley, daughter Lydia was born 8-1-1865 in Lock Haven, PA. What happened to Seth and Sarah? They don't show up anywhere, and Lydia married in PA. about 1889. Paula Chodacki Almont, MI. [email protected]

Seeking information and descendants of: Percy Jerauld Holmes b 17 June 1883 Somerville, MA, a graduate of Dartmouth College. Gayle Holmes, [email protected]

Looking for info on Henry R. (Ralph?) Holmes supposedly born Aug 1844 in Mt. Vernon Alabama (Mobile Co?).... I think I saw a census for 1850 or 1860 that showed a Holmes family in that area or Autauga Co with a Henry.. Help please. Barbara....uprooting family trees in Sacramento. PS: Henry didn't stay there..he entered the Union Army in the Civil War out of Ohio and lived out his life in the Pittsburgh area with a wife from Ohio (Nnancy Jane Fish)