Here are some moer of my Holmes names- Alex HOLMES was born Sep 8, 1835 in Washburn, ME, and died Jul 1, 1921 in Blaine, WA. He married (1) Margery ELLIOTT Nov 5, 1861 in M. E. Church, Fort Fairfield, ME. He married (2) Jane NICHOLS, daughter of Steven NICHOLS and Lois RAFFORD. Children of Alex HOLMES and Margery ELLIOTT are: James W., b. Jun 10, 1860, Washburn, ME; d. 1923, S.Bend, WA; Cyrus E., b. Jul 1, 1863, ME; d. May 10, 1933, WA; Florence?, b. Abt. 1874. Margaret? b. Abt. 1876. Children of Alex HOLMES and Jane NICHOLS are: Guy, b. May 14, 1885, Washburn, ME; d. May 7, 1952, Bellingham, WA; Myrtle Estelle, b. Apr 22, 1888, Washburn, ME; d. Mar 2, 1956, Bellingham, WA; Elliott? b. Abt. 1880; Jenny?, b. Abt. 1880; Ruth? b. Abt. 1880; Lewis A. b. Abt. 1880; All children likely born in Washburn-Wade area. All children with ? not yet proven to be Alex's, but are believed to be his. Cyrus and his wife Emma NICHOLS moved out to WA about 1904 and had lumber mill. Myrtle and husband Charles THOMAS followed him about 1910, later joined by her father Alex. Guy lived for about 25 years in Easton PA before moving to WA about 1940. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hello all you Holmes researchers!! I have been searching for quite awhile for my gr,gr,grandmother Lavina Holmes b.Dec.1852,who married Elisha Cheek b.Jan.1846. I dont have a marriage date but they told the 1900 cesus that they were married for 27 years so that would be somewhere around 1870-74 for this marriage.Elisha came from the tacooa,area in Franklin,Co.Ga. while Lavina Holmes came from the Tacooa,area in Habersham,Co.Ga.They married and moved to Hayesville,NC. in Clay,Co.Their 1st child was born in Oct.1873 in NC.According to the 1860&1870 census Lavina was the d/of a William Holmes and Lucy Rich Holmes,I havent any information on the Holmes/Rich family.But if any of you are researching this Holmes line I need to hear from you.If any of you happen to have a marriage date for Lavina&Elisha Cheek again I need to hear from you.If anyone is researching this family line again I need to hear from you and I can provide some family info for descendents of Lavina&Elisha Cheek. I thankyou for your time! If you know of someone who can help me with this line please have that person e-mail me directly. Debra

looking for information (Michigan) regarding lloyd vernon holmes

In reply to Cyndi's E mail about English Holmes. I have some info. The following is taken from a letter written by Thorp HOLMES the second, in St Catharines January 27, 1887 being the grandfather of Mother DOUGAN. Thorp HOLMES(the first) was born in the County of Cambridge,. April 24, 1777 at Wisbech, opposite the southeast corner of Lincolinshire. His father seems to have migrated from Claythorpe, a village on the Cliff Road(the old Roman Empire Street from London to Humber), halfway between Grantham and Lincolin where the family appears to have had long standing, and married a widow, named SWAIN. Thorp HOLMES died while his family were young,Thorp, Joseph, and Ann. A sister of Thorp HOLMES was married to a wealthy farmer in Caythorpe, named HACKETT; and they being childless, adopted Robert. They articled him to an attorney in Grantham, and this brought the rest of the family there. Robert finally went to Newark where he became a cashier in a bank, and soon the managing partner. Here most of the family were born. All are not remembered, nor the order of birth. Joseph became a traveling companion to a Newcastle doctor who died in Paris. Among his papers,Joseph found essays on fire, damp explosions,and on his return to Newcastle published something from them. Sir Humphrey DAVY happened to see the paper, and invited Joseph to London, sending funds. Hence the Safety Lamp. In Newcastle, he became acquainted with and corresponded with a young lady. On condition of finding certain means to live, her father consented, and promised 10,000 pounds Sterling. Joseph was appointed Judge Advocate in Denavava. He was a tiff aristocrat, and here he became infamous for his prosecution of those supposed to b e implicated in a slave insurrection in August 1823. Rev John SMITH, sent out by the London Missionary Society in in 1816,, was put on trial Oct.16, which lasted six weeks, and was sentenced by Court Martial to death, which being left over for Imperial consideration, he was pardoned, but died under the rigorous confinement, Feb 6, 1822. The Society petitioned Parliament on the subject, and on June 1 1824, Mr.BROUGHAM had made an address on the subject which was seconded by James Meachintosh, whose works contain his speech. Joseph died in Demaraara, and his wife and t who sons returned to Newcastle. John was a surveyor of Government Buildings, and the Wellington Barracks in London were built on his designs and under his superintendence. After the death of John his family went to British Columbia. William I saw in London at the same time, and I understand he was in the Herald' office. Henry apprenticed to a Chronometer make, and it was understood he was employed by the Dutch Government as an Engineer, and sent Surinam, where he disappeared. Thomas was apprenticed to a grocer in Grantham, name PAGE, in the building next to the one in which his father had studied law in Vine Street. He did not live long, and his widow and children came to America. George, the youngest son was a playfellow of mine. John found him a situation in his own department. He was sent to the Ionian Isles and to the Cape of Good Hope. James went to Demaavava and went into the drug business. Cathrine married a very worthy man who used to work for the Manthorpe Flour Mill. Robert HOLMES, while at Newark had rented a farm of Lord BROWNLOW on Gonerby Manor, over 10 miles from Newark. On Cathrine's marriage her husband obtained the farm and died ther leaving four sons and one daughter. Millicent found her way to New York and married there. Charlotte married a tailor in Great Gonerby, named John ATTER, and died Nov 9, 1885 aged 75. I do not know whether my father of Joseph was the elder, but he had three children older than myself. His early life was spent in the banking business, he was for many years actuary of the Savings Bank. The eldest son Joseph, was a hatter and in partnership with CROPSAN who married sister Mary. Thorpe HOLMES was apprenticed to to a tailor, HANDY. He afterwards enlisted in the 7th Hussars of the Anglesse, and was in the disastrous campaign under the Duke of YORK in Holland. His discharge was obtained, and after trying several businesses he migrated to the Province of Ontario, bought a farm in Gainsboro, where he lived for ten years, and then moved to St. Catharines, died at age 80 , January 19, 1857. I hope this helps you or some one else. Larry Stackhouse

Hi- I haven't yet posted here before, so here it is. JAMES H. HOLMES b. 1800 in Lexington, MA. May have had a brother names Samuel. James's father took him from MA to NS in 1812. He was married twice. We know that the first 6 children are with the first wife, and the last two with the second, but are not sure about which wife the ones in between belong with. They moved to Aroostook Co. ME before 1835. Children of James H. HOLMES and ? are: Sarah b. Abt. 1826, NS d. abt 1850 m. Charles RANDALL James Elwin b. Abt. 1827, NS m. Mehitable ? Eliza b. Abt. 1830, NS, CAN. m. Charles RANDALL Mary b. Abt. 1833, NS, CAN; m. (1) John MCCONNELL; m. (2) Fred HILTON. Priscila b. Abt. 1835, NS, CAN. m. ? BOLSTER Alex b. Sep 8, 1835, Washburn, ME; d. Jul 1, 1921, Blaine, WA. m. Margery ELLIOT 1861, m. Jane NICHOLS 1884? Hugh b. Abt. 1836; d. 1861-1866, Civil War. Daniel b. Abt. 1839, ME m. Mary ? Samuel b. Abt. 1842, ME m. ? PORTER Miriam b. Abt. 1847, ME m. ? William b. Abt. 1849, ME m. Grace PORTER Children of James H. HOLMES and Jane RANDALL STODDARD are: Steven b. Jul 31, 1854, Wade Plantation, ME; d. Apr 26, 1941, Lynden, WA. m. Eliza Jane BROWN D. Thurza Anne b. Oct 22, 1852, Wade Plantaion, ME; d. Jul 6, 1932, Boston, MA. (all children born in ME were probably born in Washburn or Wade.) Ages of Alex and Steven are accurate, but others are from census data and I believe they are off a couple of years +\- . I have more info on some of the descendents if anyone may have a connection? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Looking for Holmes in Baltimore Area 1916 William George Holmes Sr. so far my search hasn"t have any results. Thank You. Mary Ann Holmes Brewster? [email protected]

Hi, I am searching for information on my Holmes family Line. I have information to give as well as seek Holmes info. My direct line is below. Of course, each of these Holmes had many brothers and sisters and we could be related thru them. Here is my direct line. Please let me know if we are kin. Thomas Foster Holmes Sr married Margaret Craig. VA>AL>Carolinas>MS They had Stokely MIZE Holmes who married Susannah Caroline Eichelberger. MS>TX They had Stokely POTTER Holmes who married Gertrude Hauenstein. TX>MS>TX They had John Sam Holmes who married Minnie Mae Hudson. TX They had Julie Mae Holmes who married Ralph William Haynes. TX>OK They had me, Janie Mae Haynes. OK>GA>FL>MD>TX>LA>OK (I'm home and staying there!) Are we Kin? Janie

I, too, am looking for a Holmes ancestor but have next to nothing to go on.She is Hester Holmesb.bef 1650, m. bef1668 to James Hereford.He was born and died in Herefordshire,England so I assume she was, too. Is anyone researching English Holmes family? thanks, Cyndi Rutledge Baltimore

My mother is a Holmes. Please send info as to how I can participate in Holmes research. Thank-you LAWROO @aol.com Lawrence Root

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DC0BAAA6DAA01F49786E36A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This was just forwarded from my cousin. Does anyone have a connection to Junius Brutus Booth and Mary Ann Holmes? Rick Holmes --------------DC0BAAA6DAA01F49786E36A6 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from mc-extnbkup.michcon.com (michcon-external.michcon.com) by msrad3 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA18784; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:33:41 -0500 Received: by mc-extnbkup.michcon.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 8525665E.00558789 ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:34:12 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: MICHCON From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Message-Id: <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:35:06 -0400 Subject: William N Holmes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Rick, I will give you my wild idea. Now this is nothing solid, just hunches. In a family picture book I acquired in 1994, there was a picture of John Wilkes Booth. I have always wondered why it was there because the name Booth has never entered into the family line, as far as I knew. This week I was surfing the Internet to fine information about that picture. What I found was his fathers name was Junius Brutus Booth and his mothers name was Mary Ann HOLMES. Mary was a common law wife of Junius because he was married in 1815 to Adelaide Delannoy. Junius and Mary Ann married in 1851, one year before Junius died. He left England around 1821 with Mary Ann Holmes for the United States. If the picture of John Wilkes Booth was there because of Mary Ann connection, he would have been a first cousin to William N Holmes. This is assuming that William N Holmes was a nephew of Mary. John Wilkes Booth was born in 1838. Now, I said this was just a hunch, but it would explain the reason for the picture in the family album. What do you think? It is at least worth checking out. Yer Cuz, Bill --------------DC0BAAA6DAA01F49786E36A6--

Holmes Family Researchers: I correct my error and apologize. I apparently slipped an unintentional "r" into the name of the husband of Lidiah Holmes. I have gone back to the notes of Mary Leeper Long (MLL; 1866-1939). Her notes clearly state that Lidiah Holmes, daughter of the Rev. Obadiah and Katherine Hyde Holmes, married Capt. John Bowne in 1663. His parents are listed as William and Ann Bowne. Sarah Bowne, daughter of John and Lydiah Holmes Bowne, married Richard Salter (appears as both Saltar and Salter in MLL's notes, but Salter is apparently preferred). Edwin Salter, the son of Richard and Sarah Bowne Salter, wrote about the Rev. Obadiah Holmes in the Monmouth Democrat on Sept. 6, 1888. This line, as previously noted, led to President Abraham Lincoln via Hannah Salter, who married Mordecai Lincoln. According to the Sept. 6, 1888 article by Edwin Salter, Mary Holmes, daughter of the Rev. Obadiah and Katherine Hyde, married John Browne (born 1634, son of the Rev. Chad Browne). Lidiah Holmes married Capt. John Bowne. Mary Holmes married John Browne. Browne University is said to have been named after members of this Browne Family (Rev. Chad or John Browne?). The notes of Mary Leeper Long begin: "Notes copied from Holmes History." >From a later entry, it appears that her notes are likely from The American Family of the Rev. Obadiah Holmes, due to a reference in the text of the notes that refers to the year 1915 as "the present time". In an elaboration of the notes, Mary Leeper Long writes: "My great grandfather Isaac Holmes was a brother of Joseph Holmes (1771 - 1868) on page 4 of Holmes History. The writer of the history, Joseph T. Holmes, is a descendant of the Joseph of 1771." As Joseph T. Holmes was the author of The American Family of the Rev. Obadiah Holmes and it was written in 1915, it now appears likely that the source of Mary Leeper Long's notes was this book. My error (that was kindly corrected) and my re-look at the notes of Mary Leeper Long has helped me (finally) identify the likely source of her information. I am glad. Therefore, I refer persons interested in the descendants of the Rev. Obadiah and Katherine Hyde Holmes to the book The American Family of the Rev. Obadiah Holmes, by Joseph T. Holmes, published 1915. This book is available in many libraries and genealogy centers. Steve Leeper

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A7F0331F100135AABC365C9A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought this might be of interest to some. I found this on a webpage that is transcribing this from Shaw's Dublin City Directory of 1850. Holmes Mrs. Anne, 6 Annesley bridge (provision dealer) Avery, 6 Wentworth place and 27 Waltham terrace, Blackrock (solicitor) Catherine, 21 North Strand (provision dealer) Charles, M.D., 135 Upper Dorset St (apothecary)-spelt Holme in street listing George, 20 Christchurch place (boot and shoe maker) George, 22 Lower Baggot St (Esq.) James A., 85 Lower Gardiner St (merchant) John, 10 South William St and Castlewood House, Rathmines (hosiery warehouse) John Oakfield, 67 New St (tax collector) Joseph, 16 Hardwicke St (solicitor) Mrs., 2 Eagle terrace, Upper Leeson St (occup not listed) Mrs., 9 Upper Leeson St (occup not listed) Richard, 122 New St (boot and shoe maker)-spelt Homes in street listing Robert, 32 Gardiner's place (barrister - Hilary term 1795) Thomas, 21 West Essex St (coal dealer) >From the Law Directory (not listed at stated address) George A., no address (barrister) Robert W., 63 Lower Dominick St (solicitor) William, 63 Lower Dominick St (solicitor) Rick Holmes --------------A7F0331F100135AABC365C9A Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Richard Holmes Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Richard Holmes n: Holmes;Richard org: The University of Texas adr: 6431 Fannin Room 6.166;;Department of Radiology;Houston;Texas;77030;USA email;internet: [email protected] title: Medical Physicist tel;work: (713) 500-7673 tel;fax: (713) 500-7676 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: TRUE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------A7F0331F100135AABC365C9A--

Dear Steve and all Holmes researchers: The entire lineage for Abraham Lincoln, to include is line to Obadiah and Katherine (Hyde) HOLMES is included in Gary Boyd Roberts book: ANCESTORS OF AMERICAN PRESIDENTS- published by Carl Boyer 3rd, CA.-1981. This book has all presidents lineages , including their royal and Mayflower lines and other notable connections. It's an interesting book to check out and it will surprise one how many Presidents may be related to you through common ancestors- especially the early Virginians and New Englanders. It is available through NEHGS Sales office. Here is Abraham's line to Rev. Obadiah Holmes: Lydia HOLMES, d. aft 1693, mar ca. 1630 Capt John BOWNE; they resided at Gravesend, L.I. N.Y. with Jonathan (2) HOLMES and his family, while waiting for the Monmouth Patent deeds to be settled; then they all went to Monmouth co., East Jersy (now New Jersey). John BOWNE died 1684. Sarah BOWNE, b. Gravesend, LI, NY 27 Nov 1669, d. aft 1714, married Richard SALTER, b.? d. aft 1728. He was a lawyer, judge, and colony legislator at Monmouth. Their daughter, Hannah SALTER, b.?; d. ca 1727, married 24 Apr 1686 Mordecai LINCOLN, Jr. b. Hingham, MA 24 Apr 1686. Mordecai was b. at Amity, PA, 12 May 1736, d. bef 14 Sep 1714 at Monmouth, NJ. Their son John LINCOLN, b. 3 May 1716 at Freehold, N.J. d. prob Berks co., PA 5 Jul 1743, mar Nov 1788, at Linville Creek, Rockingham co., VA. to REBECCA FLOWERS, b. 30 Mar 1720; she was widow of James MORRIS, she died prob at Linville Creek, She died Jul 1806 prob at Linville Creek, VA. Their son, Abraham LINCOLN, b. Berks co., PA 13 May 1744, killed by indians at Jefferson co., KY prob May 1786, licensed to marry Bathsheba (HERRING?) at Augusta co, VA 9 Jul 1770; She was b. ca 1750, d. ca 1836. Their son, Thomas LINCOLN, b. 6 Jan 1778 at Rockingham co., VA, d. near Farmington, IL 17 Jan 1851, mar Nancy HANKS, b. Campbell co., VA 5 Feb 1784, d. near Gentryville, IN 5 Oct 1818. Their son, (President) Abraham LINCOLN, b. 12 Feb 1809 at Sinking Spring Farm, near Hodgenville, KY, d. washington, DC 15 Apr 1865, mar Mary Ann TODD, 4 Nov 1842, she was b. 13 Dec 1818 at Lexington, KY, d. 16 Jul 1882, Springfield, IL. Dorothy J. HORNUS, Florida <[email protected]> -----Original Message----- From: Steve Leeper <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 12:20 AM Subject: THE REV. OBADIAH HOLMES TO ABRAHAM LINCOLN >John, > >I am told that the connection is documented in a book by the name of "The >American Family of Obadiah Holmes" (1915) CS-71/H75/1915, by Colonel J. T. >HOLMES: available through the NEHGS Book Loan Circulating Library and on >microfiche/film at an LDS Family History Center. > >My information on Obadiah and Katherine (Hyde) Holmes was, however, obtained >primarily from hand written notes from a Holmes family Bible by Mary Leeper >Long (1866-1939), my great great aunt. I have her hand written notes. > >The daughter of Obadiah and Katherine Hyde Holmes, Lidiah Holmes, married >Capt. John Browne in 1663. The daughter of John and Lidiah Holmes Brown, >Sarah Browne, married Richard Saltar. In about 1692, Richard and Sarah >Browne Saltar, had a daughter named Hannah Saltar, who married Mordecai >Lincoln before 1714. Mordecai and Hannah Saltar Lincoln had a son, who >became known as "Virginia" John Lincoln. This "Virginia" John Lincoln was >the father of the Abraham Lincoln who settled in Kentucky and was killed by >Indians there in the 1780s. This Abraham Lincoln was the grandfather of >Abraham Lincoln, the President of the United States. Therefore, the Rev. >Obadiah and Katherine Hyde Holmes were the fifth great grandparents of >Abraham Lincoln. In addition, Hannah Browne Saltar had a son, named Edwin >Saltar, who lived in New Jersey and was said to be from the Holmes line. >Edwin Saltar wrote the Early Dutch Settlers and wrote an article on the Rev. >Obadiah Holmes which was printed in the Monmouth Democrat newspaper of >September 6, 1888. > >This is the connection as I have had it passed on to me. > >Steve Leeper >

John, I am told that the connection is documented in a book by the name of "The American Family of Obadiah Holmes" (1915) CS-71/H75/1915, by Colonel J. T. HOLMES: available through the NEHGS Book Loan Circulating Library and on microfiche/film at an LDS Family History Center. My information on Obadiah and Katherine (Hyde) Holmes was, however, obtained primarily from hand written notes from a Holmes family Bible by Mary Leeper Long (1866-1939), my great great aunt. I have her hand written notes. The daughter of Obadiah and Katherine Hyde Holmes, Lidiah Holmes, married Capt. John Browne in 1663. The daughter of John and Lidiah Holmes Brown, Sarah Browne, married Richard Saltar. In about 1692, Richard and Sarah Browne Saltar, had a daughter named Hannah Saltar, who married Mordecai Lincoln before 1714. Mordecai and Hannah Saltar Lincoln had a son, who became known as "Virginia" John Lincoln. This "Virginia" John Lincoln was the father of the Abraham Lincoln who settled in Kentucky and was killed by Indians there in the 1780s. This Abraham Lincoln was the grandfather of Abraham Lincoln, the President of the United States. Therefore, the Rev. Obadiah and Katherine Hyde Holmes were the fifth great grandparents of Abraham Lincoln. In addition, Hannah Browne Saltar had a son, named Edwin Saltar, who lived in New Jersey and was said to be from the Holmes line. Edwin Saltar wrote the Early Dutch Settlers and wrote an article on the Rev. Obadiah Holmes which was printed in the Monmouth Democrat newspaper of September 6, 1888. This is the connection as I have had it passed on to me. Steve Leeper

I'm looking for any information on my grandfather CHARLES HOLMES born 1887 - died 1964 in New Bedford, Mass. He married my grandmother MARGARET BOMBARDIER (dob 1904) & adopted my mother LOIS BOMBARDIER. Charles was married once before & had a child that died at birth. Does this sound familiar to anyone??? Thanks, Jan

I am looking for information on Sarah Jane Holmes, my great grandmother. All I know is: Sarah Jane Holmes b 0ct 21, 1868; d Apr 11, 1905 in Vancouver, BC; m. Herbert Harris July 20, 1892 in Vancouver BC. I do know that Sarah had a brother Soloman John Holmes b abt 1871; d June 14, 1924 in Vancouver, BC; m. Sept 14, 1900 in Vancouver BC Jessie Maria Rowe b abt 1880 in Newfoundland.

Isabella HOLMES married Charles Salisbury in Ont. Can. about 1880. Her father was Courtney HOLMES of Ireland. Her mother was named Rebecca. According to the obituary she had an uncle Sir John HOLMES in Ireland. Anyone with knowledge of this family please contact me. Joanne Marsh

I am looking for info on Thorpe HOLMES born 24 April 1777 Wisbech, Isle of Ely, Cambridgeshire, England. He married a Millicent Taylor 9 September 1811 and he died 19 January 1859 in ST Catharines< Ont, Canada. He and his family came to Canada in the 1840's. They had 12 children. Would appreciate any info either backwards or forwards. I am descended through his son Samuel and Samuel's daughter Mary Ann. I have info about Thorpes siblings but it is cloudy and confusing. Thank you. Larry Stackhouse

> does anyone kinw anything about these Holmes? Ann >On Tue, 04 Aug 1998 00:22:00 -0600 ART STORER <[email protected]> writes: >>looking for Holmes marriage- > >Abiel (Rev.) Holmes & Mary Stiles, 29 Aug 1790, Liberty >Hodgen Holmes & Eliz. Watson, 21 May 1798, Richmond >Lathrop (Dr.) Holmes & Sarah Sumner, 20 Jan 1794, Liberty >Libert Holmes & Susannah Quarterman, 06 Jun 1799, Liberty >Miss Holmes & Benjamin Milner, 23 Dec 1793, Wilkes >Sally Holmes & John B. Parker, 21 Dec 1799, Wilkes >Rebecah Holms & John Cooper, 24 Dec 1793, Wilkes > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >

Good morning, Has anyone seen how or heard how Abraham Lincoln is related to the emigrator Obadiah Holmes spouse to Catherine Hyde? I am curious about that. I just heard that and would like to see this connection. Remember "The Truth Is Out There" Proper Citation is essential to a credible genealogy =============== Mailto:[email protected] Our Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/5978/ PROUD MEMBER OF: G. J. W. Chapter of the DAR http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/3361 County Co-ordinator for USGenWeb Project Colorado Counties: Hinsdale Cty. http://www.rootsweb.com/~cohinsda/index.htm Kit Carson Cty. http://www.rootsweb.com/~cokitcar/index.htm La Plata Cty. http://www.rootsweb.com/~colaplat/colaplat.htm San Juan Cty. http://www.rootsweb.com/~cosanjua/index.htm List owner for the following Rootsweb county Mail Lists - Hinsdale, Kit Carson, La Plata & San Juan Counties Colorado Webmaster for Morris Family Association http://genweb.net/~morris/ Member of NEHGS Member of Brown Family Genealogical Society Member of Disabled Veterans Association