Cathy, Actually, it's my understanding that the Granger family made the voyage some 2 years before the ill-fated voyage that landed in Texas. there was a Granger family aboard the ship that was named either the Jane or the Virgin, in 1767. The head of the family was named Eneas Granger. They arrived at the mouth of the mississippi 12 July 1767, were in New Orleans 2 weeks later, and eventually disembarking in the Fort St. Gabriel area. The voyage that detoured through Texas started on 5 Jan 1769 (the ship was named Britannia). They ended up in the Espirity Santo Bay area of Texas, where the Spanish officials imprisoned the crew for almost a month and confiscated the ship. Families mentioned in the list that marched back to Louisiana include Benoit (my ancester Olivier), Latier, Rivet, Trahan, Belar, LeJeune, and Prinne. Most of these ended up in the Opelousas area, as did Thomas Hoffpauir, so i naturally searched for some evidence of him among this group. If he was among the Alsatians who travelled from Europe to Maryland, then he may not have been mentioned among the Acadians who joined the boat in Maryland. And, there may not have been any mention of him in Maryland records either, since I understand that the boat only landed in Maryland to disembark passengers bound for there, replinish supplies, add the passengers bound for Louisiana, and then sailed again. Charlie cathryn@clark.net wrote: > > Yes...I've gone through similar thinking though probably not as much > digging as you. Reni Beadoin points out that the niece and nephew > married in forts along the Mississippi adding credence to possibility > that she came down this river with extended family. > > There were some people from Alsace on the boat that came to Louisiana > from Maryland....(another branch of Kitty's family was on that > boat--grangers). It went off course and dumped its passengers in TExas > and they had to make their way on foot to Louisiana...I can't find out > who the passengers were in this boat...but it and one other boat landed > in Louisiana about 1764-1765 with Alsace people on them...I wondered if > one was Thomas...Has anyone checked records for him in PA or MD? > > Because this could be why he would have felt close enough to the > Acadians to marry them (being that he was from Alsace)... What do you > think? > > Cathy > > p.s. cc'd Kitty on this...:) > > On Mon, 5 Jul 1999, > Charlie wrote: > > > Cathryn Carroll wrote: > > > > > > Hiiii!!! I am researching one of your distant cousins--Catherine > > > Hoffpauir from Rayne Louisiana. I am trying so hard to find out why your > > > ancestor MARIE CHARLOTTE PERILLARD would have come to Louisiana....Could > > > she have actually come alone? Could she maybe be the first Marie > > > Charlotte listed (with a different birthdate) who married in 1757 and > > > 1761 in Canada? Was there family in Acadia at the time and could Marie > > > have been caught in Great Expulsion? > > > > > > Also I was curious how you got the marriage date...Were Thomas and Marie > > > Charlotte married in New Orleans. > > > > > > Thank you for any help you can render with this mystery. > > > > > > Cathy Carroll > > > > Cathy (and anyone else interested), > > > > Many of Thomas Hoffpauir's descendants who follow genealogy > > consider his wife, Marie Charlotte Perrillard (by whatever > > spelling), to be the same person that Tanguay (volume 6 p. 304) > > lists as one of the children of Nicholas Perrilard and Catherine > > Papineau. However, in my opinion we have yet to find the real > > proof that the person we know to be Thomas' wife is the same > > person listed in Tanguay. There is some circumstantual evidence, > > but nothing really compelling. For instance, I would like to see > > some reference to Thomas' wife being from Montreal, since we know > > Nicholas' daughter was born there. But I've seen no such > > reference.... only references to her being from New Orleans. From > > the New Orleans references we conclude that Thomas and Marie were > > in New Orleans, and probably married there, and that their > > marriage records were destroyed when the Cathedral burned. Now if > > you think about it, that's really quite a "stretch". I've > > personally looked through N. O. census and city directories, any > > available church or convent records, and any other material > > available at the libraries, and I've never found a reference to > > either of them. I've also looked at the records available for the > > "German Coast" families.... nothing there either. > > Now in my opinion, just because we can't find the record, doesn't > > mean that she isn't really the right person. Since I don't have > > any other candidate for his spouse, she remains my choice.... > > because I need some name to try to search for. If I ever find out > > she is not the right person, then I'll change her ancestry.... > > but for now, it's a case (for me at least), of this is my "best > > guess". > > > > Now, as to the "other" daughter of Nicholas with the same > > name..... this is one of the most troubling parts of this whole > > thing. many of his children were called "Marie", but it seems > > extreemly unlikely that he would have given two children the name > > Charlotte, particularly since both of them appear to have > > survived infancy. Here again, lack of any evidence to the > > contrary, I'm inclined to accept what Tanguay says, even though I > > consider it unlikely. > > > > Now maybe he has a "confirmation" date (3 Apr 1744) mixed up with > > a birth date, and there was only one child with that name, born > > on 4 Mar 38/39, and then confirmed on 3 Apr 44. The age seems > > about right for something like that, but again, this would just > > be speculation. Also, there are two recorded marriages for the > > first Marie Charlotte in Montreal.... it would be very useful to > > find out what became of both of those husbands. > > > > As to the date of marriage for Marie Charlotte and Thomas.... > > that is just an estimate, based on the dates of birth we have for > > their three children. I have seen no real reference that gives > > the date of their marriage. > > > > Finally, I know there are at least two other subscribers to the > > Hoffpauir mail list who are researching the ancestry of Thomas > > and Marie Charlotte, and probably a lot more people who are not > > researching it, but are very interested in the questions it > > presents. Therefore, I encourage anyone with information they > > want to share on this issue to post to the mail list. It would > > really be great if we could find Thomas' ancestors, and "prove" > > Marie Charlotte's. > > > > > > > > -- > > Charlie Hoffpauir > > > > Yes, there is a HOFFPAUIR mail list, hosted by ROOTSWEB > > http://web.wt.net/~charlieh/ > > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/o/f/Charles-R-Hoffpauir/ > > http://www.parsonstech.com/genealogy/trees/choffpauo/thomas.htm > > -- Charlie Hoffpauir Yes, there is a HOFFPAUIR mail list, hosted by ROOTSWEB http://web.wt.net/~charlieh/ http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/o/f/Charles-R-Hoffpauir/ http://www.parsonstech.com/genealogy/trees/choffpauo/thomas.htm