Charlie: Could you understand the spelling of Aufpan if you said it out loud? "Auf..." says "off" and "...pan" might really have been "...par". Therefore you would have "Offpar". I don't think it is too far fetched to think the recorder of the Churchhill data could have miss understood a handwriting and read "pan" in stead of "par", do you? And along these lines what is your thinking about the spelling in Natchez for HOFFPAUIR as HOFFPAVER and HASPOWER? It seems in land records of 1806 Thomas signed his name HOFFPAUIR and it appears in several places. He was very inventive to come up with a name like this out of the blue. Looks like he could have chosen a name that other could spell correctly and the same with out fail, don't you think? Why wouldn't he just start calling himself Thomas Huff? Would that have been easier. Hey, Thomas; why didn't you do that? Or, do you think it could be HOFFELBAUER? There were two HOFFELBAUERs who came to PA in 1748 from Rotterdam. There might be a possibility that Thomas was a descendant of one of these two. It might explain the connection to Marie Charlotte PERRILLARD too, since PA is a lot closer in proximity to Quebec. Any thought? Just thought I would put me two cents in and stop lurking :o) Sure wish we could solve this "mystery of the man from under a rock". Sincerely, Anna Marie Hayes

Great puzzle! I can only offer a few pieces to the solution.... In my listing of the family members, I have the last child as Lucien E., a son, not a daughter. The E could be Elliott mentioned in the heirs, and the Isaac Thomas could be Issac L because census takers often make this kind of little mistake. I have no idea where Semmie comes from, though. Another suggestion, if you haven't already looked into it, is the succession for Laura. According to the data in Hebert's SWLR vol 31 p 289, the succession is recorded in the Crowley Ct Hse as # 382 dated 3 Nov 1900. Now since we know Archibald married Lucinda in 1885 (and I assume that Laura was the first wife), then it took some time for the succession.... unless the succession is actually for Archibald, and simply mentions Laura... The reference isn't clear on this, and I haven't looked up the succession myself. Do you have the date of death for Archibald? I guess it could have been 1900. Any way, my guess would be that Bennett and Lucien (Lilian) are of the second marriage. I wish I knew what Laura's surname was. Charlie FelMor@aol.com wrote: > > Hey all > > Can any one explain the following? > > The 1900 Census for the First Ward of Acadia Parish family # 254 lists the > following: > > Archibald Hoffpauir Sep 1853 > Luicinda Hoffpauir Dec 1866 > Leslie Hoffpauir Sep 1879 > James A Hoffpauir Feb 1882 > Isaac L Hoffpauir May 1884 > Bennett S Hoffpauir Jul 1887 > Lilian E Hoffpauir Jun 1892 > > Archibald married Lucinda Perry 24 dec 1885 in Lafayette Parish. > > I know Leslie is from his first marriage. > > When Malachi Perry who was the father of Lucinda Perry the wife of Archibald > Hoffpauir died Lucinda Perry & Archibald Hoffpauir were already deceased. > Their heirs were given as Eva Hoffpauir wife of Isaac Thomas, Elliott > Hoffpauir, and Semmie Hoffpauir. > > Can someone straighten out this mystery. Who are the children of Archibald > Hoffpauir & Lucinda Perry & who are the children of Archibald Hoffpauir & his > first wife Laura____________? >

FelMor@aol.com wrote: > > This controversy over Marie Catherine Perriard is interesting. There is no > doubt that that was her name as she is mentioned as Amelia's mother at her > marriage and Thomas's wife in the 31 May 1828 suit filed at St Landry. She > is related to the Couvillion (Quevillion) that settled Avoyelles Parish. He > was either her uncle or great uncle I am tryng to locate the book on that > family. It could explain how she got here. > Could the Couvillon book be "To Avoyelles with the Couvillons" by Iva Septem Couvillons, published in 1966? I've seen that book at the library, and could check it again carefully if you think it is the one you're referring to. > I believe Thomas Hoffpauir was found under a rock in South Louisiana. > > Felton I got a good chuckle out of the last statement. But I'm beginning to seriously believe that Thomas just invented the name and took it, probably because there was some danger in keeping is real name. I come to that by the following "logic" (really a series of wild guesses)... Thomas was fairly successful and travelled throught the area, both buying and selling slaves on several occasions that are documented. He also was fairly successful in selling land.... and from all of the evidence he was literate.... all this, and yet he chose to record his signature as HOFFPAUER. Now that spelling is definitely not German, and anyone with a German language background tells us that the name in Germany was probably Hoffbauer, or some variation of that. so why whould he choose to write it as Hoffpauer? Now in the Opelousas area, where we first find evidence of Thomas, there was an indian term that meant "black water". This eventually became the name of the area, Opelousas, but the indian term was Oqua-Louffas. Now Thomas' name as recorded under Galvez (just before he shows up in Opelousas territory) was written Thomas Aufpan (from C. R. Churchill, 1925, Spanish Records). I can't imagine where the spelling Aufpan comes from, but if this was really our Thomas serving under Galvez, calling himself something that sounded like Aufpan, then how does that become Hoffpauer when he moves to an area that the locals refer to as Oqua-Louffas? Maybe it wasn't even our Thomas in the war under Galvez at all, but if it was, then he apparently had reason to give his name somewhat differently when he took up residence in the Opelousas territory. I know we have several linguists subscribing to the list, so I'd appreciate any comments others may have on how something written "Aufpan" in Spanish would sound, and if that would sound anything like Hoffpauer in either English or French. Charlie

WoW!! You know so much...I am pulling out my material...There were 2 Granger families...One spelled it Grange with accent...Jean Baptiste Grange is listed in 1763 cenusus is listed as head of household in family in Frederickton/Georgetown. I think (underline think) this Jean Baptiste dies and his "nine orphans" (which means that Marie Joseph the wife must have died too) are the subject of a petition for money to go to Louisiana. Does this jive with what you have? Pierre Granger's household was in Snowhill MD...I am not laying my hands on this paper and my memory is really not to be trusted, but I thought it was the Oxford Acadians and Snow Hill Acadians that boarded the Virgin....I do have that it was "either the Virgin or Jane....and Virgin is twice referenced, Jane only once...that went off course. The reason I thought that The record is very spotty...I am thinking about asking Kitty if she wants to go to the courthouse to see if they have that petition... Kitty corrected me on the adoption matter.Actually she had already told me, but I thought I had understood one of her relatives to say differently and just wanted to check it out. :) Till later & thanks again for all your help. They say that National Archives in College Park MD may have names of folks on the Virgin...Unless you've already explored that, I'll give it a try. Thanks again. Cathy ater ask for financial assistance to go to Lousiis listed as head of household in 1763 census in Maryland. On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, Charlie wrote: > Cathy, > > Actually, it's my understanding that the Granger family made the > voyage some 2 years before the ill-fated voyage that landed in > Texas. there was a Granger family aboard the ship that was named > either the Jane or the Virgin, in 1767. The head of the family > was named Eneas Granger. They arrived at the mouth of the > mississippi 12 July 1767, were in New Orleans 2 weeks later, and > eventually disembarking in the Fort St. Gabriel area. > > The voyage that detoured through Texas started on 5 Jan 1769 (the > ship was named Britannia). They ended up in the Espirity Santo > Bay area of Texas, where the Spanish officials imprisoned the > crew for almost a month and confiscated the ship. > Families mentioned in the list that marched back to Louisiana > include Benoit (my ancester Olivier), Latier, Rivet, Trahan, > Belar, LeJeune, and Prinne. Most of these ended up in the > Opelousas area, as did Thomas Hoffpauir, so i naturally searched > for some evidence of him among this group. > > If he was among the Alsatians who travelled from Europe to > Maryland, then he may not have been mentioned among the Acadians > who joined the boat in Maryland. And, there may not have been any > mention of him in Maryland records either, since I understand > that the boat only landed in Maryland to disembark passengers > bound for there, replinish supplies, add the passengers bound for > Louisiana, and then sailed again. > > Charlie > > cathryn@clark.net wrote: > > > > Yes...I've gone through similar thinking though probably not as much > > digging as you. Reni Beadoin points out that the niece and nephew > > married in forts along the Mississippi adding credence to possibility > > that she came down this river with extended family. > > > > There were some people from Alsace on the boat that came to Louisiana > > from Maryland....(another branch of Kitty's family was on that > > boat--grangers). It went off course and dumped its passengers in TExas > > and they had to make their way on foot to Louisiana...I can't find out > > who the passengers were in this boat...but it and one other boat landed > > in Louisiana about 1764-1765 with Alsace people on them...I wondered if > > one was Thomas...Has anyone checked records for him in PA or MD? > > > > Because this could be why he would have felt close enough to the > > Acadians to marry them (being that he was from Alsace)... What do you > > think? > > > > Cathy > > > > p.s. cc'd Kitty on this...:) > > > > On Mon, 5 Jul 1999, > > Charlie wrote: > > > > > Cathryn Carroll wrote: > > > > > > > > Hiiii!!! I am researching one of your distant cousins--Catherine > > > > Hoffpauir from Rayne Louisiana. I am trying so hard to find out why your > > > > ancestor MARIE CHARLOTTE PERILLARD would have come to Louisiana....Could > > > > she have actually come alone? Could she maybe be the first Marie > > > > Charlotte listed (with a different birthdate) who married in 1757 and > > > > 1761 in Canada? Was there family in Acadia at the time and could Marie > > > > have been caught in Great Expulsion? > > > > > > > > Also I was curious how you got the marriage date...Were Thomas and Marie > > > > Charlotte married in New Orleans. > > > > > > > > Thank you for any help you can render with this mystery. > > > > > > > > Cathy Carroll > > > > > > Cathy (and anyone else interested), > > > > > > Many of Thomas Hoffpauir's descendants who follow genealogy > > > consider his wife, Marie Charlotte Perrillard (by whatever > > > spelling), to be the same person that Tanguay (volume 6 p. 304) > > > lists as one of the children of Nicholas Perrilard and Catherine > > > Papineau. However, in my opinion we have yet to find the real > > > proof that the person we know to be Thomas' wife is the same > > > person listed in Tanguay. There is some circumstantual evidence, > > > but nothing really compelling. For instance, I would like to see > > > some reference to Thomas' wife being from Montreal, since we know > > > Nicholas' daughter was born there. But I've seen no such > > > reference.... only references to her being from New Orleans. From > > > the New Orleans references we conclude that Thomas and Marie were > > > in New Orleans, and probably married there, and that their > > > marriage records were destroyed when the Cathedral burned. Now if > > > you think about it, that's really quite a "stretch". I've > > > personally looked through N. O. census and city directories, any > > > available church or convent records, and any other material > > > available at the libraries, and I've never found a reference to > > > either of them. I've also looked at the records available for the > > > "German Coast" families.... nothing there either. > > > Now in my opinion, just because we can't find the record, doesn't > > > mean that she isn't really the right person. Since I don't have > > > any other candidate for his spouse, she remains my choice.... > > > because I need some name to try to search for. If I ever find out > > > she is not the right person, then I'll change her ancestry.... > > > but for now, it's a case (for me at least), of this is my "best > > > guess". > > > > > > Now, as to the "other" daughter of Nicholas with the same > > > name..... this is one of the most troubling parts of this whole > > > thing. many of his children were called "Marie", but it seems > > > extreemly unlikely that he would have given two children the name > > > Charlotte, particularly since both of them appear to have > > > survived infancy. Here again, lack of any evidence to the > > > contrary, I'm inclined to accept what Tanguay says, even though I > > > consider it unlikely. > > > > > > Now maybe he has a "confirmation" date (3 Apr 1744) mixed up with > > > a birth date, and there was only one child with that name, born > > > on 4 Mar 38/39, and then confirmed on 3 Apr 44. The age seems > > > about right for something like that, but again, this would just > > > be speculation. Also, there are two recorded marriages for the > > > first Marie Charlotte in Montreal.... it would be very useful to > > > find out what became of both of those husbands. > > > > > > As to the date of marriage for Marie Charlotte and Thomas.... > > > that is just an estimate, based on the dates of birth we have for > > > their three children. I have seen no real reference that gives > > > the date of their marriage. > > > > > > Finally, I know there are at least two other subscribers to the > > > Hoffpauir mail list who are researching the ancestry of Thomas > > > and Marie Charlotte, and probably a lot more people who are not > > > researching it, but are very interested in the questions it > > > presents. Therefore, I encourage anyone with information they > > > want to share on this issue to post to the mail list. It would > > > really be great if we could find Thomas' ancestors, and "prove" > > > Marie Charlotte's. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Charlie Hoffpauir > > > > > > Yes, there is a HOFFPAUIR mail list, hosted by ROOTSWEB > > > http://web.wt.net/~charlieh/ > > > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/o/f/Charles-R-Hoffpauir/ > > > http://www.parsonstech.com/genealogy/trees/choffpauo/thomas.htm > > > > > -- > Charlie Hoffpauir > > Yes, there is a HOFFPAUIR mail list, hosted by ROOTSWEB > http://web.wt.net/~charlieh/ > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/o/f/Charles-R-Hoffpauir/ > http://www.parsonstech.com/genealogy/trees/choffpauo/thomas.htm >

Felton, FelMor@aol.com wrote: > > > Violet Hoffpauir was confused with another Violet Hoffpauir daughter of > Robert Hoffpauir. I have no death date for Violet daughter of John Rue > Hoffpauir. My error. > OK, in looking closer I find that I already have a Violet Hoffpauir, daughter of this couple, with a different birthdate. I would think they are actually the same person, unfortunately, there is nothing other than the name that is consistant between the two of them. Do you have any records for a Violet Hoffpauir with these facts? Or if you get a d.o.d. for your Violet, could you compare it to the one I have listed for this one? Violet Hoffpauir b: 7 Nov 1919 src: Ronda Hoffpauir d: Mar 1985 src: Ronda Hoffpauir Ronda, if you're still subscribing, could you please comment if you have any additional information about this person? -- Charlie

Cathy, Actually, it's my understanding that the Granger family made the voyage some 2 years before the ill-fated voyage that landed in Texas. there was a Granger family aboard the ship that was named either the Jane or the Virgin, in 1767. The head of the family was named Eneas Granger. They arrived at the mouth of the mississippi 12 July 1767, were in New Orleans 2 weeks later, and eventually disembarking in the Fort St. Gabriel area. The voyage that detoured through Texas started on 5 Jan 1769 (the ship was named Britannia). They ended up in the Espirity Santo Bay area of Texas, where the Spanish officials imprisoned the crew for almost a month and confiscated the ship. Families mentioned in the list that marched back to Louisiana include Benoit (my ancester Olivier), Latier, Rivet, Trahan, Belar, LeJeune, and Prinne. Most of these ended up in the Opelousas area, as did Thomas Hoffpauir, so i naturally searched for some evidence of him among this group. If he was among the Alsatians who travelled from Europe to Maryland, then he may not have been mentioned among the Acadians who joined the boat in Maryland. And, there may not have been any mention of him in Maryland records either, since I understand that the boat only landed in Maryland to disembark passengers bound for there, replinish supplies, add the passengers bound for Louisiana, and then sailed again. Charlie cathryn@clark.net wrote: > > Yes...I've gone through similar thinking though probably not as much > digging as you. Reni Beadoin points out that the niece and nephew > married in forts along the Mississippi adding credence to possibility > that she came down this river with extended family. > > There were some people from Alsace on the boat that came to Louisiana > from Maryland....(another branch of Kitty's family was on that > boat--grangers). It went off course and dumped its passengers in TExas > and they had to make their way on foot to Louisiana...I can't find out > who the passengers were in this boat...but it and one other boat landed > in Louisiana about 1764-1765 with Alsace people on them...I wondered if > one was Thomas...Has anyone checked records for him in PA or MD? > > Because this could be why he would have felt close enough to the > Acadians to marry them (being that he was from Alsace)... What do you > think? > > Cathy > > p.s. cc'd Kitty on this...:) > > On Mon, 5 Jul 1999, > Charlie wrote: > > > Cathryn Carroll wrote: > > > > > > Hiiii!!! I am researching one of your distant cousins--Catherine > > > Hoffpauir from Rayne Louisiana. I am trying so hard to find out why your > > > ancestor MARIE CHARLOTTE PERILLARD would have come to Louisiana....Could > > > she have actually come alone? Could she maybe be the first Marie > > > Charlotte listed (with a different birthdate) who married in 1757 and > > > 1761 in Canada? Was there family in Acadia at the time and could Marie > > > have been caught in Great Expulsion? > > > > > > Also I was curious how you got the marriage date...Were Thomas and Marie > > > Charlotte married in New Orleans. > > > > > > Thank you for any help you can render with this mystery. > > > > > > Cathy Carroll > > > > Cathy (and anyone else interested), > > > > Many of Thomas Hoffpauir's descendants who follow genealogy > > consider his wife, Marie Charlotte Perrillard (by whatever > > spelling), to be the same person that Tanguay (volume 6 p. 304) > > lists as one of the children of Nicholas Perrilard and Catherine > > Papineau. However, in my opinion we have yet to find the real > > proof that the person we know to be Thomas' wife is the same > > person listed in Tanguay. There is some circumstantual evidence, > > but nothing really compelling. For instance, I would like to see > > some reference to Thomas' wife being from Montreal, since we know > > Nicholas' daughter was born there. But I've seen no such > > reference.... only references to her being from New Orleans. From > > the New Orleans references we conclude that Thomas and Marie were > > in New Orleans, and probably married there, and that their > > marriage records were destroyed when the Cathedral burned. Now if > > you think about it, that's really quite a "stretch". I've > > personally looked through N. O. census and city directories, any > > available church or convent records, and any other material > > available at the libraries, and I've never found a reference to > > either of them. I've also looked at the records available for the > > "German Coast" families.... nothing there either. > > Now in my opinion, just because we can't find the record, doesn't > > mean that she isn't really the right person. Since I don't have > > any other candidate for his spouse, she remains my choice.... > > because I need some name to try to search for. If I ever find out > > she is not the right person, then I'll change her ancestry.... > > but for now, it's a case (for me at least), of this is my "best > > guess". > > > > Now, as to the "other" daughter of Nicholas with the same > > name..... this is one of the most troubling parts of this whole > > thing. many of his children were called "Marie", but it seems > > extreemly unlikely that he would have given two children the name > > Charlotte, particularly since both of them appear to have > > survived infancy. Here again, lack of any evidence to the > > contrary, I'm inclined to accept what Tanguay says, even though I > > consider it unlikely. > > > > Now maybe he has a "confirmation" date (3 Apr 1744) mixed up with > > a birth date, and there was only one child with that name, born > > on 4 Mar 38/39, and then confirmed on 3 Apr 44. The age seems > > about right for something like that, but again, this would just > > be speculation. Also, there are two recorded marriages for the > > first Marie Charlotte in Montreal.... it would be very useful to > > find out what became of both of those husbands. > > > > As to the date of marriage for Marie Charlotte and Thomas.... > > that is just an estimate, based on the dates of birth we have for > > their three children. I have seen no real reference that gives > > the date of their marriage. > > > > Finally, I know there are at least two other subscribers to the > > Hoffpauir mail list who are researching the ancestry of Thomas > > and Marie Charlotte, and probably a lot more people who are not > > researching it, but are very interested in the questions it > > presents. Therefore, I encourage anyone with information they > > want to share on this issue to post to the mail list. It would > > really be great if we could find Thomas' ancestors, and "prove" > > Marie Charlotte's. > > > > > > > > -- > > Charlie Hoffpauir > > > > Yes, there is a HOFFPAUIR mail list, hosted by ROOTSWEB > > http://web.wt.net/~charlieh/ > > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/o/f/Charles-R-Hoffpauir/ > > http://www.parsonstech.com/genealogy/trees/choffpauo/thomas.htm > > -- Charlie Hoffpauir Yes, there is a HOFFPAUIR mail list, hosted by ROOTSWEB http://web.wt.net/~charlieh/ http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/o/f/Charles-R-Hoffpauir/ http://www.parsonstech.com/genealogy/trees/choffpauo/thomas.htm

Hey all Can any one explain the following? The 1900 Census for the First Ward of Acadia Parish family # 254 lists the following: Archibald Hoffpauir Sep 1853 Luicinda Hoffpauir Dec 1866 Leslie Hoffpauir Sep 1879 James A Hoffpauir Feb 1882 Isaac L Hoffpauir May 1884 Bennett S Hoffpauir Jul 1887 Lilian E Hoffpauir Jun 1892 Archibald married Lucinda Perry 24 dec 1885 in Lafayette Parish. I know Leslie is from his first marriage. When Malachi Perry who was the father of Lucinda Perry the wife of Archibald Hoffpauir died Lucinda Perry & Archibald Hoffpauir were already deceased. Their heirs were given as Eva Hoffpauir wife of Isaac Thomas, Elliott Hoffpauir, and Semmie Hoffpauir. Can someone straighten out this mystery. Who are the children of Archibald Hoffpauir & Lucinda Perry & who are the children of Archibald Hoffpauir & his first wife Laura____________? Felton

Charlie et al, I left this out of the last correspondence. The info on Mattie came from the Geesey Ferguson Funeral Home records in Crowley. Their records say she was buried in the Indian Bayou Cemetary. So it is either unmarked or has been moved to another cemetary out of the area. This happens a lot around here. As families move off I guess they want to take grandma with them. I have found several obits stating one buriel place & find them relocated to another. This controversy over Marie Catherine Perriard is interesting. There is no doubt that that was her name as she is mentioned as Amelia's mother at her marriage and Thomas's wife in the 31 May 1828 suit filed at St Landry. She is related to the Couvillion (Quevillion) that settled Avoyelles Parish. He was either her uncle or great uncle I am tryng to locate the book on that family. It could explain how she got here. I believe Thomas Hoffpauir was found under a rock in South Louisiana. Felton

Yes...I've gone through similar thinking though probably not as much digging as you. Reni Beadoin points out that the niece and nephew married in forts along the Mississippi adding credence to possibility that she came down this river with extended family. There were some people from Alsace on the boat that came to Louisiana from Maryland....(another branch of Kitty's family was on that boat--grangers). It went off course and dumped its passengers in TExas and they had to make their way on foot to Louisiana...I can't find out who the passengers were in this boat...but it and one other boat landed in Louisiana about 1764-1765 with Alsace people on them...I wondered if one was Thomas...Has anyone checked records for him in PA or MD? Because this could be why he would have felt close enough to the Acadians to marry them (being that he was from Alsace)... What do you think? Cathy p.s. cc'd Kitty on this...:) On Mon, 5 Jul 1999, Charlie wrote: > Cathryn Carroll wrote: > > > > Hiiii!!! I am researching one of your distant cousins--Catherine > > Hoffpauir from Rayne Louisiana. I am trying so hard to find out why your > > ancestor MARIE CHARLOTTE PERILLARD would have come to Louisiana....Could > > she have actually come alone? Could she maybe be the first Marie > > Charlotte listed (with a different birthdate) who married in 1757 and > > 1761 in Canada? Was there family in Acadia at the time and could Marie > > have been caught in Great Expulsion? > > > > Also I was curious how you got the marriage date...Were Thomas and Marie > > Charlotte married in New Orleans. > > > > Thank you for any help you can render with this mystery. > > > > Cathy Carroll > > Cathy (and anyone else interested), > > Many of Thomas Hoffpauir's descendants who follow genealogy > consider his wife, Marie Charlotte Perrillard (by whatever > spelling), to be the same person that Tanguay (volume 6 p. 304) > lists as one of the children of Nicholas Perrilard and Catherine > Papineau. However, in my opinion we have yet to find the real > proof that the person we know to be Thomas' wife is the same > person listed in Tanguay. There is some circumstantual evidence, > but nothing really compelling. For instance, I would like to see > some reference to Thomas' wife being from Montreal, since we know > Nicholas' daughter was born there. But I've seen no such > reference.... only references to her being from New Orleans. From > the New Orleans references we conclude that Thomas and Marie were > in New Orleans, and probably married there, and that their > marriage records were destroyed when the Cathedral burned. Now if > you think about it, that's really quite a "stretch". I've > personally looked through N. O. census and city directories, any > available church or convent records, and any other material > available at the libraries, and I've never found a reference to > either of them. I've also looked at the records available for the > "German Coast" families.... nothing there either. > Now in my opinion, just because we can't find the record, doesn't > mean that she isn't really the right person. Since I don't have > any other candidate for his spouse, she remains my choice.... > because I need some name to try to search for. If I ever find out > she is not the right person, then I'll change her ancestry.... > but for now, it's a case (for me at least), of this is my "best > guess". > > Now, as to the "other" daughter of Nicholas with the same > name..... this is one of the most troubling parts of this whole > thing. many of his children were called "Marie", but it seems > extreemly unlikely that he would have given two children the name > Charlotte, particularly since both of them appear to have > survived infancy. Here again, lack of any evidence to the > contrary, I'm inclined to accept what Tanguay says, even though I > consider it unlikely. > > Now maybe he has a "confirmation" date (3 Apr 1744) mixed up with > a birth date, and there was only one child with that name, born > on 4 Mar 38/39, and then confirmed on 3 Apr 44. The age seems > about right for something like that, but again, this would just > be speculation. Also, there are two recorded marriages for the > first Marie Charlotte in Montreal.... it would be very useful to > find out what became of both of those husbands. > > As to the date of marriage for Marie Charlotte and Thomas.... > that is just an estimate, based on the dates of birth we have for > their three children. I have seen no real reference that gives > the date of their marriage. > > Finally, I know there are at least two other subscribers to the > Hoffpauir mail list who are researching the ancestry of Thomas > and Marie Charlotte, and probably a lot more people who are not > researching it, but are very interested in the questions it > presents. Therefore, I encourage anyone with information they > want to share on this issue to post to the mail list. It would > really be great if we could find Thomas' ancestors, and "prove" > Marie Charlotte's. > > > > -- > Charlie Hoffpauir > > Yes, there is a HOFFPAUIR mail list, hosted by ROOTSWEB > http://web.wt.net/~charlieh/ > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/o/f/Charles-R-Hoffpauir/ > http://www.parsonstech.com/genealogy/trees/choffpauo/thomas.htm >

Charlei et al, Richard Dale Hoffpauir's children are I believe from his marriage with Carole Jean Hebert. Kim was born 27 Mar 1969 in Crowley & Richard was born 20 Mar 1973 in Lafayette. I did not know about Mary Ann Richter. Rufus C Hoffpauir was buried in the Crowley Cem not Indian Bayou. I have no idea why I put Indian Bayou Cem. Shannon Denise Hoffpauir's birthdate of 1971 is what I have in my records. I will look at her marriage in Crowley & see if I might have misread. Starkus Ernest Hoffpauir was married in 1909 not 1910. My error was taken from someones memory & I had not recognized his marriage under Ernest Hoffpauir. Violet Hoffpauir was confused with another Violet Hoffpauir daughter of Robert Hoffpauir. I have no death date for Violet daughter of John Rue Hoffpauir. My error. William Asa Hoffpauir son of Able H Hoffpauir & Anna A Lutz is found on the 1900 Lafayette Parish census family # 166. I believe the birth date on his tombstone should read 16 Nov 1885 not 1888. I have not found any other source for his birth or death yet. Just when I was beginning to think I was perfect. Hey guy's pitch in. Don't let Charlie and my wife be the only ones to keep me humble. Felton

Felton, FelMor@aol.com wrote: > Richard Dale Hoffpauir b 4 Dec 1943 Rayne marr 11 Aug 1967 Acadia Par to > Carole Jean Hebert. His parents are Tuby Marion Hoffpauir & Amanda C > "Mundah" Foreman > After connecting Richard Dale, I realize I have some more data that you may not have. I don't know how accurate this is, however, so would appreciate any comments from you or anyone else... Descendants of Richard Dale Hoffpauir 1 [1] Richard Dale Hoffpauir b 1: 4 Dec 1943 in Rayne, Acadia Parish, LA src: Felton Morgan b 2: 4 Dec 1943 . +Mary Ann Richter 2 Kimela Dale Hoffpauir 2 Richard Todd Hoffpauir *2nd Wife of [1] Richard Dale Hoffpauir: . +Carole Jean Hebert m: 11 Aug 1967 in Acadia Parish, LA src: Felton Morgan m: 31 Jul 1967 Acadia Parish, LA src: Acadia Parish Marriage Records Anyone know when the first marriage took place, or the birth dates of the two children? Were there any children of the 2nd marriage? -- Charlie Hoffpauir

Felton, FelMor@aol.com wrote: > > Rufus C Hoffpauir 13 Sep 1873 Indian Bayou d 21 Sep 1953 Crowley bur Indian > Bayou marr 1st 28 Jan 1892 Lafayette Par to Laura Spell marr 2nd 11 Nov 1905 > Acadia Par to Alice Louviere. His parents are Elijah Hoffpauir & Susanne > Hoffpauir > I have a Rufus C. Hoffpauir with this same data shown as buried in Crowley Cemetery, Sec 3A, row 4, # 25. Also, I can't find a Rufus C hoffpauir in the Indian Bayou cemetery. Could you have an error here? -- Charlie Hoffpauir

Felton, FelMor@aol.com wrote: > > > Starkus Ernest Hoffpauir b 31 Jul 1889 Acadia Par d 28 Jul 1918 Rayne bur > Rayne Methodist Cem marr 26 Dec 1910 to Julia Glenn Arnold. His parents are > Starcus Hoffpauir & Amelia Cordelia Hoffpauir > Can you confirm taht the year of this marriage was 1910 and not 1909? The Acadia Parish records show the license as being issued in 1909. -- Charlie Hoffpauir

Felton, FelMor@aol.com wrote: > > Shannon Denise Hoffpauir b 23 Oct 1971 marr 6 Jun 1987 Acadia Par to Ricky > Paul > Sonnier. Her parents are Able Vern Hoffpauir & Terry Ann Terro > Can you confirm that these dates are correct? I show the couple Able Vern Hoffpauir and Terry Ann Terro married 5 Sep 1974..... this seems like too long after Shannon's listed birth date to be just a late marriage. Maybe there was an earlier marriage for her father we don't know about? Or maybe I have the marriage date wrong? -- Charlie Hoffpauir

Felton, FelMor@aol.com wrote: > > Samantha A "Mattie" Stephenson b 1 Jul 1871 Orange County,TX d 7 Nov 1948 > Crowley bur Indian Bayou Cem marr 17 Apr 1890 Acadia Par to Irvin Hoffpauir. > Her parents are Gilbert N Stephenson & Josephine Means I can't find her in the Indian Bayou listing. Do you have any inofrmation like who she is buried near, or how she is listed on the tombstone? -- Charlie Hoffpauir

Felton, FelMor@aol.com wrote: > > Violet Hoffpauir b 2 Nov 1914 Gueydan d 1936 bur Ebenezer marr 21 Aug 1945 > Lake Charles to Paul Connley Harrell. Her parents are John Rue Hoffpauir & > Mary (May) Bourne > The date of death must have been a typo.... could you have meant 1963? -- Charlie Hoffpauir

Cathryn Carroll wrote: > > Hiiii!!! I am researching one of your distant cousins--Catherine > Hoffpauir from Rayne Louisiana. I am trying so hard to find out why your > ancestor MARIE CHARLOTTE PERILLARD would have come to Louisiana....Could > she have actually come alone? Could she maybe be the first Marie > Charlotte listed (with a different birthdate) who married in 1757 and > 1761 in Canada? Was there family in Acadia at the time and could Marie > have been caught in Great Expulsion? > > Also I was curious how you got the marriage date...Were Thomas and Marie > Charlotte married in New Orleans. > > Thank you for any help you can render with this mystery. > > Cathy Carroll Cathy (and anyone else interested), Many of Thomas Hoffpauir's descendants who follow genealogy consider his wife, Marie Charlotte Perrillard (by whatever spelling), to be the same person that Tanguay (volume 6 p. 304) lists as one of the children of Nicholas Perrilard and Catherine Papineau. However, in my opinion we have yet to find the real proof that the person we know to be Thomas' wife is the same person listed in Tanguay. There is some circumstantual evidence, but nothing really compelling. For instance, I would like to see some reference to Thomas' wife being from Montreal, since we know Nicholas' daughter was born there. But I've seen no such reference.... only references to her being from New Orleans. From the New Orleans references we conclude that Thomas and Marie were in New Orleans, and probably married there, and that their marriage records were destroyed when the Cathedral burned. Now if you think about it, that's really quite a "stretch". I've personally looked through N. O. census and city directories, any available church or convent records, and any other material available at the libraries, and I've never found a reference to either of them. I've also looked at the records available for the "German Coast" families.... nothing there either. Now in my opinion, just because we can't find the record, doesn't mean that she isn't really the right person. Since I don't have any other candidate for his spouse, she remains my choice.... because I need some name to try to search for. If I ever find out she is not the right person, then I'll change her ancestry.... but for now, it's a case (for me at least), of this is my "best guess". Now, as to the "other" daughter of Nicholas with the same name..... this is one of the most troubling parts of this whole thing. many of his children were called "Marie", but it seems extreemly unlikely that he would have given two children the name Charlotte, particularly since both of them appear to have survived infancy. Here again, lack of any evidence to the contrary, I'm inclined to accept what Tanguay says, even though I consider it unlikely. Now maybe he has a "confirmation" date (3 Apr 1744) mixed up with a birth date, and there was only one child with that name, born on 4 Mar 38/39, and then confirmed on 3 Apr 44. The age seems about right for something like that, but again, this would just be speculation. Also, there are two recorded marriages for the first Marie Charlotte in Montreal.... it would be very useful to find out what became of both of those husbands. As to the date of marriage for Marie Charlotte and Thomas.... that is just an estimate, based on the dates of birth we have for their three children. I have seen no real reference that gives the date of their marriage. Finally, I know there are at least two other subscribers to the Hoffpauir mail list who are researching the ancestry of Thomas and Marie Charlotte, and probably a lot more people who are not researching it, but are very interested in the questions it presents. Therefore, I encourage anyone with information they want to share on this issue to post to the mail list. It would really be great if we could find Thomas' ancestors, and "prove" Marie Charlotte's. -- Charlie Hoffpauir Yes, there is a HOFFPAUIR mail list, hosted by ROOTSWEB http://web.wt.net/~charlieh/ http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/o/f/Charles-R-Hoffpauir/ http://www.parsonstech.com/genealogy/trees/choffpauo/thomas.htm

He ya'll Did Marvin Alfred Hoffpauir and Cora Elizabeth Hoffpauir have twin sons named Curtis Reed Hoffpauir & Vurtis Ray Hoffpauir born 25 Feb 1917 in Crowley? Curtis Reed Hoffpauir married Laura Klumpp 25 Feb 1939 in Acadia Parish. Vurtis Ray Hoffpauir married 1st 25 May 1944 in Lafayette Parish to Anna Mae Quibodeaux and married 2nd 30 May 1946 in Acadia Parish to Ida Roy Curtis & Laura had Patricia Dane Hoffpauir who married Jean Baptiste Winston Petitjean, Gregory Hoffpauir who married Donna Lois Green & Angeline Louise Hoffpauir who did at aged two years. Curtis & Ida Roy had Cherly Anne Hoffpauir who married Demind Leonard Habetz. Does anyone know any of these people to answer my question? Felton

Charlie et al, I'm catching up on some old mail. Carl Jessie Hoffpauir b 11 Nov 1906 LA d 4 Nov 1992 Lafayette bur St Joseph Cem Rayne marr 24 Oct 1927 Acadia Par to Mary "Curtis" Cart. Chilrden to wit; 1. Patrick Hugh Hoffpauir b 19 Feb 1933 marr 1st 10 Apr 1955 Acadia Par to Flora Ann Stutes. Children to wit; a. Deborah Ann Hoffpauir d 27 Dec 1955 LA marr 1st 1 Dec 1973 Acadia Par to Michael Daigle marr 2nd 9 Jun 1979 Charenton, St Mary Par to Barton Alexander Hale marr 3rd 28 Aug 1982 Lafayette to Wesley Ronald Moore b. Patrick Hugh Hoffpauir Jr b 15 Sep 1958 marr 28 Sep 1979 Acadia Par to Ellen Mary Zaunbrecher. Childern to wit; aa. Megan Ann Hoffpauir b 14 Sep 1985 bb. Hannah Claire Hoffpauir b 13 Sep 1989 c. Denise Marie Hoffpauir b 16 Feb 1964 marr 29 Jun 1984 Acadia Par to Darwin Dale Stutes 1. Patrick Hugh Hoffpauir Sr marr 2nd 1 Jul 1977 Acadia Par to Vernice Marie Quebodeaux second child of Carl Jessie Hoffpauir 2. Peggy Ann Hoffpauir b 10 Jul 1938 marr Albert Nugent Felton

Felton, Since this finishes up your monumental effort of commenting on the names I've posted, I wanted to immediately acknowledge your note and thank you for this effort. As I mentioned a couple of days ago in a personal note to you, my data files were corrupted, and it will take a few days to recover from backup files, a process that is already under way. Actually, it means I'm now on your #20, in terms of entering data. As you suggested, once I get all the updates entered, I'll generate another "unconnected" type of a list, and post it either on the web page as before, or if it's small enough, directly to the mail list. On another subject..... the Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) have decided to release their newest genealogy program free of charge. It's PAF ver 4, a Windows program (earlier version were DOS programs that would run under Windows). It can be downloaded from their web site at: http://www.familysearch.org/OtherResources/Other_Resources.asp If any of our list subscribers don't already have a genealogy program, this is certainly a good one to start with. And readers who already have one program may find features in PAF ver 4 that their present program does not include. Charlie FelMor@aol.com wrote: > > Charlie et al, > <snipped > > Finished finally > > Felton > -- Charlie Hoffpauir