If I may offer a couple of comments. My haplogroup is U5b, with markers only found among the Saamis and their Finnish descendants. I would have had no idea, although my mtDNA grandmother is traced back 8 generations to North Carolina. So you may find a very specific location. And again, you may not. Just this week, a woman's mtDNA test matched her with a distant cousin known to be descended from my husband's great grandmother. So now this woman knows her genealogy was correct and this took her back 4 more generations. I am sure new developments will bring even better results in the future, but for now, you can learn a lot if you have specific goals and have done your homework. Janet Crain http://www.genpage.com/genealogyDNA.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "helen sabin" <hsabin@cox.net> To: <hill@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [HILL] DNA Research > LET'S TALK HAPLO GROUP SHALL WE? The understanding is quite clear - the > FEMALE tests are vague - way too broad for genealogy purposes and > worthless > to anyone who wants more SPECIFIC information. I already knew that my > ancestors probably came from ENGLAND - or Germany - or Italy - or Belgium > where I found them - it doesn't take a molecular biologist to know that > most > white skinned folks are from that area. Nor does it take a molecular > biologist to know that most dark skinned folks are from Africa and the > Middle East. Now tell me what good that knowledge does for you - huh? IT > doesn't help find that lost great grandfather or mother - all it does is > tell you vague information! Research is not based on vagueness or a broad > haplo group! > HS > > -----Original Message----- > From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf > Of Christine Czarnecki > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 1:15 PM > To: hill@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HILL] DNA Research > > The mitochondrial DNA test is not too vague, it just > tests for something quite different. > > I was trained as a molecular biologist and I can > assure you that it's the understanding and > interpretation of the test that is important and the > key to gaining insight. > > The Y chromosome study looks to see if one man's Y > chromosome is the same (a match) with another man's. > A man will have the same Y chromosome as his father, > his father's father, his father's father's father, all > the way back along the male line. It will be the same > as his father's, regardless of what surname he or his > father had. It is the real McCoy, the actual paternal > parentage, regardless of what marriage records or > birth certificates say. > > I was so thrilled to see the $99 sale price that I > immediately forwarded it to a man who keeps the > database for the surname Motley. There is no DNA > study yet on this surname, and there were two Motley > men, John and Joseph, who immigrated in the 1600's and > left descendants. Family lore says they were > brothers, but they immigrated to different states, so > how will we know? By having Motley surnamed men from > both lines do the Y chromosome characterization and > then compare. Are they the same or very close? Then > they look to be closely related or descended from the > same male Motley back in England. Are they completely > different? Then they are not related. There is a lot > of information in that alone. > > In regards to the "female DNA," the mitochondrial DNA, > it can indeed, be very useful. Mitochndrial DNA is > passed to us from our mothers, in the cytoplasm of the > egg. The sperm doesn't pass mitochondrial DNA along > to the child. So everyone, man or woman, has the same > mitochondrial DNA as his or her mother. It tracks > along the maternal line forever. > > The information about ancestral maternal origins is > useful, as is the tracing of paternal origins from the > Y chromosome. But using mtDNA can be relevant to > recent genealogy as well. > > Here's an example: I have an ancestor, William > Norman, who was a Revolutionary patriot and who > married several times, with children by several > different wives. There are not any marriage records > still extant, so with some there is confusion as to > who was the mother. > > It so happens that one of William Norman's daughters > is my mother's mother' mother's, etc., back 7 times, > all on the maternal line. My mitochondrial DNA is > exactly the same as the wife of William Norman who is > the mother of his daughter Elizabeth, this Mrs. Norman > being my fifth great grandmother. > > There are other female-only descendants of other > daughters of William Norman, some of whose maternal > parentage is known for certain. Through the Norman > Family Association, I am in the process of trying to > locate them to do mtDNA tests. If we match, we are > from the same wife of William Norman. If we don't > it's from a different wife. > > Can you tell me how else we can determine this when > there are no remaining written records? This is as > relevant as finding written primary sources - maybe > more so. > > Thank you for letting us know about the discounted > price for Y testing. > > --- "pop.west.cox.net" <hsabin@cox.net> wrote: > >> AGAIN - the male tests may be useful but the female >> is TOO VAGUE and >> generalized for any worth in genealogy. Don't >> believe me - send the testers >> YOUR female DNA and see what I mean. >> You learn best from life's lessons. Go ahead, I >> dare you to waste your time >> and money! >> HS >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brenda Stewart-Reeder" <kyseeker@comcast.net> >> To: <hill@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 11:39 AM >> Subject: Re: [HILL] DNA Research >> >> >> > My husband did the test and he matched a gentleman >> who had come to the >> > same conclusion as I did. We could not find any >> proof of parents except >> > this elderly couple would come 40 miles in the >> 1700's to be the sponsors >> > for the baptisms for this couples children so we >> knew they had to be >> > related, but now we know we are on the right track >> as they matched on a 37 >> > marker test. Now my husband's family is really >> interested in their family >> > history, enough to travel 1500 miles to attend a >> family reunion in 2004. >> > >> > My brother matched 2 men who were from Muhlenberg >> Co., KY, and our >> > ancestor was born in Muhlenberg Co. but had moved >> to Livingston Co. but I >> > had figured his father and the 4 older men of >> Muhlenberg Co. were probably >> > brothers and now we know we are also on the right >> track there. I knew one >> > further generation they did not have from the 1852 >> Livingston Co. Clerk's >> > ledger book. We are now looking for descendants >> of the other two so they >> > can also test. >> > >> > These tests have brought a lot of people all >> interested in genealogy >> > together where we might not have ever been if it >> was not for the testing. >> > I ordered my own mtDNA test last night. >> > >> > I am so glad we all have freedom of speech and a >> keyboard with a delete >> > button. >> > >> > -------------- Original message >> ---------------------- >> > From: PRSmith <prsmith@houston.rr.com> >> >> Your opinions are noted and you are certainly >> entitled to >> >> them. You also have the right not to participate >> in these >> >> studies. Your opinions are not shared by those >> who >> >> participate in these studies, however, and they >> have a right >> >> to express their opinions and to discuss them >> with others. >> >> Please feel free to delete any messages that >> offend you -- >> >> they are, after all, innocuous compared to those >> advertising >> >> many other products and services we encounter on >> a regular >> >> basis and they are on-topic since the posters are >> searching >> >> for their Hill ancestry. >> >> >> >> Take Care -- Paul >> >> CAPEHART Rootsweb Listowner >> >> Researching: >> >> VA - >> >> >> > WHITE,LIPSCOMB,HILL,JOHNSON,SAUNDERS,TALBOT,TATE,EVANS >> >> NC - SMITH, BOSWELL, RHODES, >> >> MORRIS,.CAPEHART,MARSHE, BRITT,SHAW >> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prsmith/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thursday, September 07, 2006 12:56 PM, >> pop.west.cox.net >> >> [SMTP:hsabin@cox.net] wrote: >> >> > The span of years that are transmitted to >> testees is >> >> > worthless for genealogy >> >> > research. I can go back four generations from >> me and to say >> >> > my ancestors >> >> > are from England tells me you have gone back so >> far as to >> >> > make any research >> >> > worthless. Then to say you cannot tell me >> specifically >> >> which >> >> > country of >> >> > origin my ancestors came from - is ridiculous >> and makes any >> >> > research >> >> > worthless. Then to say, I probably shouldn't >> contact the >> >> ONE >> >> > person that >> >> > has my same haplo group makes these tests >> worthless! All >> >> > together - I still >> >> > think its a FRAUD!! >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "PRSmith" <prsmith@houston.rr.com> >> >> > To: <hill@rootsweb.com> >> >> > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 10:35 AM >> >> > Subject: Re: [HILL] $95 DNA SPECIAL! >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Please explain why you think DNA testing is a >> waste of >> >> > > time >> >> > > and money. Thousands of people are >> participating in these >> >> > > studies and many have found connections World >> wide. It is >> >> > > a >> >> > > viable and important tool for genealogical >> research. >> >> > > >> >> > > Also please note that you are a member of a >> List. As >> >> such, >> >> > > >> >> > > you do not get to pick and choose which >> messages are >> >> > > delivered >> >> > > to you. >> >> > > >> >> > > Take Care -- Paul >> >> > > CAPEHART Rootsweb Listowner >> >> > > Researching: >> >> > > VA - >> >> > > >> > WHITE,LIPSCOMB,HILL,JOHNSON,SAUNDERS,TALBOT,TATE,EVANS >> >> > > NC - SMITH, BOSWELL, RHODES, >> >> > > MORRIS,.CAPEHART,MARSHE, BRITT,SHAW >> >> > > >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prsmith/ >> >> > > >> >> > > On Thursday, September 07, 2006 11:27 AM, >> helen sabin >> >> > > [SMTP:hsabin@cox.net] wrote: >> >> > >> These are a waste of time and money!! DO >> NOT send me any >> >> > >> more announcements >> >> > >> of this nature - you are so full of baloney! >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> > >> From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:hill- >> >> > >> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf >> >> > >> Of FS Hill >> >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:56 PM >> >> > >> To: HILL-L@rootsweb.com >> >> > >> Subject: [HILL] $95 DNA SPECIAL! >> >> > >> >> >> > >> As of August 23, 2006 Sorenson Molecular >> Genealogy >> >> > > Foundation >> >> > >> is offering a >> >> > >> coupon for Relative Genetics (a commercial >> DNA test lab) >> >> > >> for >> >> > >> all >> >> > >> participants. With the coupon you can >> purchase a 26 >> >> marker >> >> > >> Y >> >> > >> chromosome >> >> > >> test, or a mitochondrial DNA test for $95 >> (typically >> >> $180- >> >> > >> >> >> > >> $220, depending on >> >> > >> the lab). Not sure how long this offer is >> valid. If you >> >> > > have >> >> > >> questions or >> >> > >> wish to request the discount coupon, contact >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation >> >> > >> 2480 S Main Ste 200 >> >> > >> Salt Lake City, Utah 84115 >> >> > >> Phone: 1-800-344-7643 >> > === message truncated === > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.1/440 - Release Date: 9/6/2006 > >