YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD Aaron!! Woo Hoo! It is much, much, much, much more generic! Broad and vague is the way I would describe the MtDNA testing for women and the results you get - worthless is another way I would describe it. Yeah - now you tell us about the Sorenson project!! Why didn't you mention this before I spent over $200. on the MtDNA worthless and valueless to genealogy research mtDNA test? Huh? Next time put it in BIG letters so we notice! Helen Sabin -----Original Message----- From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Hill Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 12:23 PM To: hill@rootsweb.com Subject: [HILL] DNA Testing The mtDNA testing is much more generic because of the lack of surnames being passed on to the next generation. However, yDNA is very useful becuase it is much easier to track by surname. At some point, as researchers learn more and develop new methods (which the Sorenson project is all about, http://www.smgf.org, and happens to be free), testing of all kinds (mtDNA, yDNA and autosomal) will be useful to tracking genealogy. Please note that participating in DNA project doesn't have to cost money (Sorenson), just some cheek cells. Aaron From: "helen sabin" <hsabin@cox.net> Reply-To: hill@rootsweb.com To: <hill@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [HILL] DNA Testing A Fraud Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 12:12:25 -0700 I did the MtDNA (women) tests and the test results came back as a haplo group that came from England. These results go so far back as to be worthless for genealogy research. Thus - my time and money are wasted. I am complaining as the advertising leads one to believe that more specific results can be shown. In my case - this goes so far back as to be worthless and I encourage others NOT to waste their money. There have been some who are happy but a majority are not according to what I have seen on the different genealogy sites. I also had my 90 year old uncle do the males DNA and hopefully it will be more specific. If not - a waste of time and money! HS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can we agree that there will simply be differences of opinion on the DNA test and probably no one will change their opinion based on an e-mail??? Can we get back to simply finding our Hill and helping each other? Rhonda

The problem with DNA testing for genealogical search or Research is it's a High Cost for Minimal return. I'm made up of my mom & my dad, They're from their mom & dad, and so on and so on. But the test is only good for my Hill line which makes the test a Minimal return. It also doesn't take in to account for the fact that while our kin migrated across this U.S. they did so in groups. Those groups was not always comprised of just family members. If a man & his wife died on the trail leaving an infant, that infant was taken in by someone else that was not kin. Now when they gave said infant their name. That infant grew up not knowing any better but went by the last name JONES but was really a DAVIS. He would show up with different markings then the family that raised him. You get the picture. Not to forget the many other reasons that a child might not be the blood kin of the man who called him his own. The only way that DNA would be a Minimal help in genealogical research is with a Database that all the DNA info goes into. Not just one for Hill's or Smith's or whoever. They would have to be compared to all to pick-up these Scenarios. No, I have found that there is only two things that DNA testing is really good for. 1. For testing if a child is really the Father's. 2. People in prison and when someone is arrested,(Taken along with their fingerprints). With their DNA along with their fingerprints put into a central database. Then when a crime is committed by repeat offenders and DNA evidence is found at the scene but not FP's. Jay

Byron: I see your Hill group is having a great discussion on DNA - pro as well as con Being a "Hill" listmember (still can't find my Robert J. Hill), but eventually success will pop up. As to DNA, I am a co-coordinator of a Jackson DNA Group Project - we do not have as many members as your Hill Group (97 ascompared to your 250 (more Hills in the ole US than Jacksons); however we have a success rate of matching members at 52% with subgroups ranging in size from 2 to 7 per subgroup. With not only with new members joining every week, but also those new members have a good chance of finding a match. The above shown percentage relates to a combination of Y-DNA as well as mtDNA (male as well as female matches) I invite you to visit our website at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Jackson - Since I maintain the website, I can relate to you first hand that members keep their fingers crossed for a match - Just had another day before yesterday - she was elated! DNA vs. Research - Byron was correct, DNA confirms your research - Within our project, it is suggested that members submit their ancestral lineage from their most recent deceased ancestor to their earliest ancestor - some do, some do not, and some will email me that to date their do not know anything regarding their GRANDFATHER, and hope they can find a match. Others will email me that they were on tract to their lineage, until they reached the 1700s and what they were GIVEN was all wrong. However, with groups helping each other, many now have been corrected - giving documental proof. The key to good Research is an EXCELLENT PAPER TRAIL on each generation (preferably including all siblings within each generation) - DNA & GOOD RESEARCH go hand in hand, each coming to the same conclusion just using a different pathway. Many times I have heard the same argument that DNA does not prove a thing (from those who have not found a match) - - It most certains proves or disproves your research. Many will argue for their research...Do they: Have documental records of birth, death, dates, places, each decade of census records, chancery court records, Bible Records, Native American application/Card Records, burial records, military records, etc. etc. - - or was the information picked up online or from someone else who didn't have the documents on hand and didn't furnish same or someone "told them so" - Is DNA expensive?- It sure isn't as expensive as good documental research. You want (or should appreciate) primary documentation (DNA) to support ;your Good Research - you deserve it - you have worked hard to obtain those documents (If you haven't spent years doing your family's history, DNA won't solve a thing - you may match, but your match may be a brother to one of your ancestors that your match did not have, but your DNA will still match - the lineage is there, one just has to research it out. Another thing about DNA - You may NOT MATCH YOUR OWN SURNAME, but an entirely different surname - This is something that you may not realize during your research - Byron and I worked together to help one of my Jacksons who MATCHED a Hill surname in Tennessee - MANY time I have seen this happen within our website - as you glean through, you find it true - Yes, more research is needed - it could be from adoption, or parents were killed and the youth was raised by the mother's sister who married and had an entirely different surname as ASSUMED that new surname - or YOUR MALE SURNAME was a frequent visitor making weekly trips across town or whatever (Have one within our group who did that - he did not have any children by his wife - but had eleven children by his "consort" - the children were raised using HER SURNAME. All documented with very precise Bible and Court House Records in which he provided funds for each child! That specific member had a blast tracking it down - he knew there were children (handed down by the elder family members - even knew their first names), but not one showed up on any census records. DNA and Genealogy together is one of the most fascinating, intriguing adventure you'll ever encounter. To each of you - I say good luck in your research & tie it in a nice big bow with DNA Evyonne Andrews Eddins evonandrews@sbcglobal.net

I can't think of any participants in the HILL DNA PROJECT who joined for the reasons mentioned below. Every participant I know of has joined to simply prove or disprove their lineage with the lineage of other living HILL participants, which (see the Results page) has ended the wild goose chase of speculating a connection to this or that HILL line, a goose chase that otherwise may have gone on and on forever. We have identified and separated 28 different and distinct HILL lines (to date) through DNA grouping, and more Groups are being added all the time as participants match. Most of these Groups have confirmed lineage into the 1700s or earlier. This is the focus of the HILL DNA PROJECT. Byron Hill HILL DNA PROJECT www.hilldna.com On 9/7/06, DixieMom <southerncross@pgtc.com> wrote: > > > Dear List, > > I have been reading with interest the comments on whether or not DNA > testing is a fraud or not. > > I have read quite a bit about it and am not sure I would spend any money > on DNA testing........... yet. > > What is a concern, in my opinion, is the fact that the people who worked > on the Human Genome Project based their model on the theory of evolution, > and that human evolution, from the time the bolt of electricity struck the > primordial soup, has taken at least several thousand, if not millions of > years. I wonder if such a model would differ with the results produced by a > model based on a young earth, like 10,000 years, which SOME SCIENTISTS > actually propose. Or would the results differ if the model were based not > on evolution, but on a creation model? WOULD IT EVEN MATTER? > > Of course, if one believes in evolution, he will claim the results are > accurate because evolution is true, and if someone believes creation and a > young earth, then he would want the model based on his beliefs. > > We will all just have to choose to believe what we want to, since no human > was present at creation or the lightning bolt and soup story. > > >From what I have read, people will warn you that SOME companies may "rip > you off", by charging too much money. That seems to be the major concern > from the folks who trust the DNA testing. > > Happy ancestor hunting, no matter what path you take! > Donna > > > Here are a couple of websites I found doing a Google search which might be > interesting reading: > > > DNA and Genealogy: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/dnagenealogy.html > > > History of the Human Genome Project: > By Dr. Cook-Deegan is the Director, Division of Biobehavioral Sciences and > Mental Disorders, Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Sciences. He > received his B.A. (Chemistry) from Harvard College and his M.D. from the > University of Colorado. See also, his book, The Gene Wars: Science, > Politics, and the Human Genome (1994). > http://www.fplc.edu/risk/vol5/spring/cookdeeg.htm > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear List, I have been reading with interest the comments on whether or not DNA testing is a fraud or not. I have read quite a bit about it and am not sure I would spend any money on DNA testing........... yet. What is a concern, in my opinion, is the fact that the people who worked on the Human Genome Project based their model on the theory of evolution, and that human evolution, from the time the bolt of electricity struck the primordial soup, has taken at least several thousand, if not millions of years. I wonder if such a model would differ with the results produced by a model based on a young earth, like 10,000 years, which SOME SCIENTISTS actually propose. Or would the results differ if the model were based not on evolution, but on a creation model? WOULD IT EVEN MATTER? Of course, if one believes in evolution, he will claim the results are accurate because evolution is true, and if someone believes creation and a young earth, then he would want the model based on his beliefs. We will all just have to choose to believe what we want to, since no human was present at creation or the lightning bolt and soup story. >From what I have read, people will warn you that SOME companies may "rip you off", by charging too much money. That seems to be the major concern from the folks who trust the DNA testing. Happy ancestor hunting, no matter what path you take! Donna Here are a couple of websites I found doing a Google search which might be interesting reading: DNA and Genealogy: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/dnagenealogy.html History of the Human Genome Project: By Dr. Cook-Deegan is the Director, Division of Biobehavioral Sciences and Mental Disorders, Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Sciences. He received his B.A. (Chemistry) from Harvard College and his M.D. from the University of Colorado. See also, his book, The Gene Wars: Science, Politics, and the Human Genome (1994). http://www.fplc.edu/risk/vol5/spring/cookdeeg.htm

In a message dated 9/7/2006 2:30:54 PM Central Standard Time, hsabin@cox.net writes: Don't believe me - send the testers YOUR female DNA and see what I mean. Hasn't it always been made clear that the female line could only give generalities?

In a message dated 9/7/2006 2:29:55 PM Central Standard Time, hsabin@cox.net writes: The male is the ONLY one of use for genealogy. Even I, who doesn't really understand all the ins and outs of the testing, haplos, etc., understand and have understood since the get-go that the male DNA testing is the best method. I have a male cousin who is a 6th generation direct line Male of our Alabama Wyatt line and we have hopes for making some connections as this is a well-researched line and much DNA is going on.

Some surname projects are beginning to post female results. By nature the results are more difficult to understand and post than the male data. The HILL DNA PROJECT has not started posting those results and we will probably wait until there are more participants. In the meantime, participants (just like participants in the male test) can log on to FTDNA and see their matches. I honestly cannot tell you what the "success rate" of the female testing is in general, but just like the beginnings of the male testing, it takes participants to make connections. It is very similar to getting results from a Discussion List, you have to post to get results. In the beginnings of the HILL DNA PROJECT (under the direction of Ray Hill), it took the generous help of several HILL volunteers who have been doing HILL research for many years to get initial participants involved. Your question is a good one, and inspires me to look around at some of the other DNA Projects and see how the female testing and level of participation is going. Byron Hill HILL DNA PROJECT www.hilldna.com On 9/7/06, helen sabin <hsabin@cox.net> wrote: > > These are MALE TESTS - yes? What is your success rate for the FEMALE DNA? > HUH? > hs > > -----Original Message----- > From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf > Of Byron Hill > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 1:18 PM > To: hill@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HILL] DNA Testing A Fraud > > Anyone who has any doubts about the validity or the great success of DNA > testing can visit the HILL DNA PROJECT and see what DNA testing has > acomplished. We have almost 250 participants in the HILL DNA PROJECT, and > most of them have proven or disproven large portions of their research > that > otherwise would have taken decades to confirm. Without DNA testing most of > us in the project would still be where we were several years ago, > searching > for some huge missing piece to the puzzle that would have probably > remained > a mystery forever. > > Byron Hill > HILL DNA PROJECT > > > On 9/7/06, PsychSW@aol.com <PsychSW@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 9/7/2006 2:29:55 PM Central Standard Time, > > hsabin@cox.net > > writes: > > > > The male is the ONLY one of use for genealogy. > > > > > > > > Even I, who doesn't really understand all the ins and outs of the > testing, > > haplos, etc., understand and have understood since the get-go that the > > male DNA > > testing is the best method. I have a male cousin who is a 6th > generation > > direct line Male of our Alabama Wyatt line and we have hopes for making > > some > > connections as this is a well-researched line and much DNA is going on. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for the explanation, Laura

Anyone who has any doubts about the validity or the great success of DNA testing can visit the HILL DNA PROJECT and see what DNA testing has acomplished. We have almost 250 participants in the HILL DNA PROJECT, and most of them have proven or disproven large portions of their research that otherwise would have taken decades to confirm. Without DNA testing most of us in the project would still be where we were several years ago, searching for some huge missing piece to the puzzle that would have probably remained a mystery forever. Byron Hill HILL DNA PROJECT On 9/7/06, PsychSW@aol.com <PsychSW@aol.com> wrote: > > > In a message dated 9/7/2006 2:29:55 PM Central Standard Time, > hsabin@cox.net > writes: > > The male is the ONLY one of use for genealogy. > > > > Even I, who doesn't really understand all the ins and outs of the testing, > haplos, etc., understand and have understood since the get-go that the > male DNA > testing is the best method. I have a male cousin who is a 6th generation > direct line Male of our Alabama Wyatt line and we have hopes for making > some > connections as this is a well-researched line and much DNA is going on. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I checked out the DNA page and didn't find any of my line there...at least not immediately noticable. I have connections to the early Hill family of the Connecticut area. I will paste a couple of the early generations below. Thanks, Melinda PS...my Samuel Hill was elected to the General Assembly so often that the phrase "He runs like Sam Hill" was coined after him. (See #11) Descendants of John Hill Generation No. 1 1. JOHN1 HILL was born 1615 in North Hamptonshire, England, and died 08 Jun 1689 in New Haven, Guilford, Conn. He married (1) FRANCES SYMONDS 1641 in England (London). She was born Abt. 1618 in England (London), and died May 1673 in New Haven, Guilford, Conn. He married (2) CATHERINE CHALKER 22 Sep 1673 in Guilford, New Haven, CT. Notes for JOHN HILL: John became freeman at Guilford before 1657, having been in Branford in 1646. During the troubles between Connecticut and New Haven, he was of the Rossiter faction. Suits against him for slander are discussed in 'Steiner's History of Guilford' page 95. He was one of the lesser planters, being known as Goodman Hill. His home lot was on the south side of the Green, and contained about an acre and three-fourths. In addition to this, he had other lands. More About JOHN HILL and FRANCES SYMONDS: Marriage: 1641, England (London) More About JOHN HILL and CATHERINE CHALKER: Marriage: 22 Sep 1673, Guilford, New Haven, CT Children of JOHN HILL and FRANCES SYMONDS are: 2. i. JAMES2 HILL, b. 15 May 1646, Wethersfield, Hartford, Conn; d. 08 Oct 1707, New Haven, Guilford, Conn. ii. ANN HILL, b. 1648, New Haven, Guilford, Conn; d. 1706. 3. iii. JOHN HILL, b. 10 Jan 1650, New Haven, Guilford, Conn; d. 09 May 1690, Middletown, Middlesex, Conn. iv. HANNAH HILL, b. 18 Jan 1652. v. ELIZABETH HILL, b. Abt. 1653, New Haven, Guilford, Conn; d. Bef. 1688. vi. SARAH HILL, b. Abt. 1654. Generation No. 2 2. JAMES2 HILL (JOHN1) was born 15 May 1646 in Wethersfield, Hartford, Conn, and died 08 Oct 1707 in New Haven, Guilford, Conn. He married SARAH GRISWOLD Sep 1682 in Guilford, New Haven, CT. She died 08 May 1729. Notes for JAMES HILL: He had a 'parcel of upland' lying at East End given him by his father. He was one of the early settlers of East Guilford and prominent in the movement to have it made a separate society. More About JAMES HILL and SARAH GRISWOLD: Marriage: Sep 1682, Guilford, New Haven, CT Children of JAMES HILL and SARAH GRISWOLD are: i. SARAH3 HILL, b. 24 Aug 1683; d. 04 Dec 1711; m. SAMUEL DARWIN, 05 Jan 1709; b. 24 Jan 1682, Guilford, Conn. Notes for SARAH HILL: Also noted as being married to Ephraim Darwin, not Samuel. More About SAMUEL DARWIN and SARAH HILL: Marriage: 05 Jan 1709 4. ii. ISAAC HILL, b. 05 Sep 1685. iii. JAMES HILL, b. 11 Feb 1686; m. UNKNOWN BOWEN; b. 1692. 5. iv. ANN HILL, b. Bet. 04 Mar 1689 - 1690; d. 1756. 6. v. DANIEL HILL, b. 08 Jun 1692; d. 30 Jan 1745. 7. vi. JOHN HILL, b. 18 Dec 1694, Connecticut; d. 16 Feb 1746, Connecticut. vii. CHARITY HILL, b. 04 Mar 1696; m. JOHN JOHNSON; b. 20 Jun 1722. 8. viii. MICHAEL HILL, b. 22 Oct 1698; d. 23 Jun 1752. ix. MARY HILL, b. 02 Mar 1701. 3. JOHN2 HILL (JOHN1) was born 10 Jan 1650 in New Haven, Guilford, Conn, and died 09 May 1690 in Middletown, Middlesex, Conn. He married (1) HANNAH GRANNIS Bef. 1670. She died Bef. 1670. He married (2) THANKFUL STOW 1670 in Guilford, New Haven, CT, daughter of THOMAS STOWE and MARY GRIGGS. She was born 06 Nov 1646 in Middletown, Middlesex, Conn, and died 18 Nov 1711 in Middletown, Middlesex, Conn. Notes for JOHN HILL: John inherited the home lot. Notes for HANNAH GRANNIS: Possibly died during childbirth. More About JOHN HILL and HANNAH GRANNIS: Marriage: Bef. 1670 More About JOHN HILL and THANKFUL STOW: Marriage: 1670, Guilford, New Haven, CT Child of JOHN HILL and HANNAH GRANNIS is: 9. i. SARAH3 HILL, b. Bef. 1670. Children of JOHN HILL and THANKFUL STOW are: ii. MARY3 HILL, b. 08 May 1671; d. 23 Aug 1671. 10. iii. JOHN HILL, JR., b. 18 Jul 1672, New Haven, Guilford, Conn; d. 10 Feb 1740, New Haven, Guilford, Conn. iv. ELIZABETH HILL, b. 20 Dec 1673; d. 04 Nov 1742, Middletown, Middlesex, Conn; m. JAMES 'LORD OF SAYBROOK', 13 Dec 1693. More About JAMES SAYBROOK' and ELIZABETH HILL: Marriage: 13 Dec 1693 v. MARY HILL, b. Bet. 01 Feb 1675 - 1676; m. JOSIAH ROSSETER, 09 May 1710; b. Killingsworth; d. 23 Sep 1751. More About JOSIAH ROSSETER and MARY HILL: Marriage: 09 May 1710 11. vi. SAMUEL HILL, b. 21 Feb 1678; d. 24 May 1752, Connecticut. vii. NATHANIEL HILL, b. 27 Apr 1680; d. 10 Oct 1764. 12. viii. JAMES HILL, b. 25 Apr 1682; d. 25 Mar 1715. Generation No. 3 4. ISAAC3 HILL (JAMES2, JOHN1) was born 05 Sep 1685. He married ANN PARMELEE 05 Jul 1711, daughter of JOSHUA PARMELEE. She was born 1690, and died 27 Mar 1752. More About ISAAC HILL and ANN PARMELEE: Marriage: 05 Jul 1711 Children of ISAAC HILL and ANN PARMELEE are: i. ISAAC4 HILL, b. 09 Sep 1712; d. 22 Sep 1712. ii. ISAAC HILL, b. 20 Jul 1714; d. 21 Feb 1716. iii. JAMES HILL, b. 1716; d. 10 Mar 1734. 13. iv. ISAAC HILL, b. 18 Dec 1717. v. SARAH HILL, b. 11 Dec 1719. vi. SUBMIT HILL, b. 12 Dec 1721; d. Mar 1756; m. DAVID HOTCHKISS, 10 Nov 1748. More About DAVID HOTCHKISS and SUBMIT HILL: Marriage: 10 Nov 1748 vii. SILAS HILL, b. 23 Mar 1724. 14. viii. AHIRA HILL, b. 27 Jan 1726; d. 1777, Woodbury. ix. ANN HILL, b. 10 Apr 1728. x. CHARITY HILL, b. 02 May 1730. xi. SUSANNAH HILL, b. 03 Nov 1732. 15. xii. DANIEL HILL, b. 30 Jan 1734, East Guilford, Conn.; d. Bet. 21 Sep 1756 - 1766. 16. xiii. JONATHAN HILL, b. 30 Jan 1734; d. 10 Feb 1793. xiv. HULDAH HILL, b. 12 Sep 1735. 17. xv. ZENAS HILL, b. 04 Jun 1738. 5. ANN3 HILL (JAMES2, JOHN1) was born Bet. 04 Mar 1689 - 1690, and died 1756. She married EPHRAIM BUSHNELL 16 Oct 1712. He was born Bet. 14 Feb 1674 - 1675 in Saybrook, Middlesex, CT, and died 16 Jan 1766 in Westbrook, Middlesex, CT. More About EPHRAIM BUSHNELL and ANN HILL: Marriage: 16 Oct 1712 Children of ANN HILL and EPHRAIM BUSHNELL are: i. SARAH4 BUSHNELL, b. 26 Jul 1713, Saybrook, Middlesex, CT; d. Bef. 1763. ii. JEDIDIAH BUSHNELL, b. 23 May 1714, Saybrook, Middlesex, CT. iii. JAMES BUSHNELL, b. 12 Mar 1716, Saybrook, Middlesex, CT; d. 10 May 1762. iv. MARTHA BUSHNELL, b. 12 Aug 1718, Saybrook, Middlesex, CT. v. ANNA BUSHNELL, b. 24 Oct 1720, Saybrook, Middlesex, CT. vi. THOMAS BUSHNELL, b. 24 Aug 1722, Saybrook, Middlesex, CT; d. 21 May 1771. vii. CHARITY BUSHNELL, b. 1724, Saybrook, Middlesex, CT. viii. REBECCA BUSHNELL, b. 22 Jun 1728, Saybrook, Middlesex, CT. 6. DANIEL3 HILL (JAMES2, JOHN1) was born 08 Jun 1692, and died 30 Jan 1745. He married MINDWELL WILCOX 20 Apr 1714, daughter of OBADIAH WILCOX. She was born Abt. 1695, and died 03 Feb 1770. Notes for DANIEL HILL: He was a Weaver of East Guilford. He left an estate valued at £2295.2.8. In 1716, his list was £59.9.6, and the value of his weaver's trade £3. More About DANIEL HILL and MINDWELL WILCOX: Marriage: 20 Apr 1714 Children of DANIEL HILL and MINDWELL WILCOX are: 18. i. REUBEN4 HILL, b. 1715; d. 17 Nov 1804. ii. JAMES HILL, b. 1717; d. 26 Feb 1740. 19. iii. DANIEL HILL, b. 29 Oct 1719; d. 25 Nov 1761, Crown Point. 20. iv. TIMOTHY HILL, b. 22 May 1722; d. 06 Feb 1781. 21. v. ABNER HILL, b. 06 Jun 1726. vi. MINDWELL HILL, b. 15 Feb 1729. vii. IRENA HILL, b. 12 Jun 1732; d. 08 Oct 1809; m. JEDIDIAH STONE, JR., 09 Jul 1755; d. Feb 1816. More About JEDIDIAH STONE and IRENA HILL: Marriage: 09 Jul 1755 7. JOHN3 HILL (JAMES2, JOHN1) was born 18 Dec 1694 in Connecticut, and died 16 Feb 1746 in Connecticut. He married (1) ELIZABETH DIBBLE 08 Oct 1716. She died Feb 1721. He married (2) MARAH SHALOR 07 Dec 1721. She died 08 May 1729. He married (3) RUTH RICHARDSON 06 Jan 1730. She was born 1702 in Connecticut, and died Aft. 1746 in Connecticut. Notes for JOHN HILL: His list in 1716 was £32.8.6, and his trade as shoemaker and tanner was rated at £3. More About JOHN HILL and ELIZABETH DIBBLE: Marriage: 08 Oct 1716 More About JOHN HILL and MARAH SHALOR: Marriage: 07 Dec 1721 More About JOHN HILL and RUTH RICHARDSON: Marriage: 06 Jan 1730 Children of JOHN HILL and ELIZABETH DIBBLE are: i. JONAS4 HILL, b. 18 Mar 1718; d. 23 Oct 1736. ii. ABRAHAM HILL, b. 22 Jan 1720; d. 26 Apr 1720. iii. ELIZABETH HILL, b. 23 Feb 1721; d. 23 Aug 1721. 22. iv. JOHN HILL, b. 23 Feb 1721; d. 23 Jul 1786. Child of JOHN HILL and MARAH SHALOR is: v. ABRAHAM4 HILL, b. 26 Dec 1722; d. 18 Oct 1759; m. HANNAH NOTT, 27 Feb 1745; d. 14 Jun 1786. More About ABRAHAM HILL and HANNAH NOTT: Marriage: 27 Feb 1745 Children of JOHN HILL and RUTH RICHARDSON are: 23. vi. NATHANIEL4 HILL, b. 26 Oct 1730, Guilford, New Haven, Ct. vii. BETTSY HILL, b. 22 Nov 1731. viii. RUTH HILL, b. 15 May 1735. ix. JONAS HILL, b. 18 Jul 1742. 8. MICHAEL3 HILL (JAMES2, JOHN1) was born 22 Oct 1698, and died 23 Jun 1752. He married (1) ANNA SPENSER. He married (2) SARAH PARMELEE 17 Oct 1720, daughter of ISAAC PARMELEE. She died 04 May 1730. More About MICHAEL HILL and SARAH PARMELEE: Marriage: 17 Oct 1720 Children of MICHAEL HILL and ANNA SPENSER are: i. ANNA4 HILL, b. 30 May 1733; d. 03 May 1766. Notes for ANNA HILL: She was a school teacher. ii. AARON HILL, b. 30 May 1733; d. 05 Oct 1743. iii. MARY HILL, b. 01 Jan 1736; d. 23 Oct 1743. iv. BEULAH HILL, b. 01 Aug 1741; d. 14 Jul 1743. 24. v. WILLIAM HILL, b. 13 Jul 1743. 25. vi. SAMUEL HILL, b. 17 Aug 1745; d. Dec 1818. vii. AARON HILL, b. 01 Apr 1752; d. 07 Feb 1779, on home passage from West Indies. Children of MICHAEL HILL and SARAH PARMELEE are: 26. viii. WILLIAM4 HILL, b. 28 Jan 1722; d. 30 Apr 1741. 27. ix. MICHAEL HILL, b. 01 Mar 1724. x. SARAH HILL, b. 11 Mar 1727; m. ASHER GRINNELL. 28. xi. PELEG HILL, b. 20 Apr 1730; d. 29 Feb 1812, Catskill, NY. 9. SARAH3 HILL (JOHN2, JOHN1) was born Bef. 1670. She married STEPHEN CLARK, son of SAMUEL CLARK and HANNAH TUTTLE. Child of SARAH HILL and STEPHEN CLARK is: 29. i. ANNE4 CLARK, b. 17 Jun 1717, New Haven, Connecticut; d. 17 Jul 1777, Schooley's Mtn, Sussex, NJ. 10. JOHN3 HILL, JR. (JOHN2, JOHN1) was born 18 Jul 1672 in New Haven, Guilford, Conn, and died 10 Feb 1740 in New Haven, Guilford, Conn. He married HANNAH HIGHLAND 1694 in New Haven, Guilford, Conn, daughter of GEORGE HILAND and HANNAH CRUTTENDEN. She was born 29 Jan 1669 in New Haven, Guilford, Conn, and died 19 May 1752 in New Haven, Guilford, Conn. Notes for JOHN HILL, JR.: He inherited the home lot, and owned an acre and a quarter of land in plain, and received from his mother-in-law a parcel of land on Jan. 27, 1701. His list in 1716 was £48.5.0 More About JOHN HILL and HANNAH HIGHLAND: Marriage: 1694, New Haven, Guilford, Conn Children of JOHN HILL and HANNAH HIGHLAND are: 30. i. JOHN4 HILL III, b. 13 Jun 1695; d. 10 Feb 1740. ii. HANNAH HILL, b. 03 May 1699; d. 13 Mar 1768. iii. ELIZABETH HILL, b. 01 Oct 1705, New Haven, Guilford, Conn; d. 14 Apr 1781; m. JOHN STONE, 07 Nov 1738; d. 16 Feb 1751. More About JOHN STONE and ELIZABETH HILL: Marriage: 07 Nov 1738 31. iv. THOMAS HILL, b. 27 Sep 1708; d. 23 Feb 1792. 32. v. GEORGE HILL, b. 05 Apr 1710; d. 09 Feb 1787. vi. BENJAMIN HILL, b. 19 Jan 1712. vii. REUBEN HILL, b. 02 Nov 1715. viii. ABIGAIL HILL, b. 10 May 1720; d. 11 Oct 1774. 11. SAMUEL3 HILL (JOHN2, JOHN1) was born 21 Feb 1678, and died 24 May 1752 in Connecticut. He married HULDAH RUGGLES 09 Jun 1709 in Roxbury, Suffolk, Mass, daughter of SAMUEL RUGGLES and ANNA BRIGHT. She was born 01 Jul 1684 in Roxbury, Suffolk, Mass., and died 29 Aug 1762 in Connecticut. Notes for SAMUEL HILL: Samuel was so often elected to the General Assembly that the story is told that, at town meetings, the moderator would rise and say: "We are assembled to elect Co. Sam Hill and some one to go with him to the next General Court". His name is still used in Guilford to express superiority, e.g. "He runs like Sam Hill." He was quite a large land holder, and was town clerk from 1717, and also clerk of the proprietors of the common and undivided lands. He was clerk of the Probate Court from 1720 to 1725, when he ws chosen judge, which position he held until his death, in May, 1752. He was also justice of the New Haven County Court, and easily the prominent man of his time. His 'faculty' was rated £12 in 1716 and his list was £89.16.6. More About SAMUEL HILL and HULDAH RUGGLES: Marriage: 09 Jun 1709, Roxbury, Suffolk, Mass Children of SAMUEL HILL and HULDAH RUGGLES are: i. SAMUEL4 HILL, b. 05 Mar 1711; d. 12 Feb 1783. ii. HULDAH HILL, b. 30 Dec 1712; d. 09 Jan 1773; m. ROSWELL WOODWARD, 26 Mar 1747; d. 10 Sep 1773. More About ROSWELL WOODWARD and HULDAH HILL: Marriage: 26 Mar 1747 33. iii. HENRY HILL, b. 02 Aug 1714; d. 17 Jul 1751. 34. iv. NATHANIEL HILL, b. 10 Mar 1716; d. 16 Nov 1771. v. MARY HILL, b. 05 Nov 1717. vi. THANKFUL HILL, b. 08 Mar 1719; d. 05 Apr 1719. vii. JOSEPH HILL, b. 14 Apr 1721; d. 25 Apr 1722. 12. JAMES3 HILL (JOHN2, JOHN1) was born 25 Apr 1682, and died 25 Mar 1715. He married MARY FRY 15 Jan 1710. She died 16 Mar 1782. More About JAMES HILL and MARY FRY: Marriage: 15 Jan 1710 Children of JAMES HILL and MARY FRY are: i. MERCY4 HILL, b. Dec 1710; d. 27 May 1762; m. ELIPHALET HALL, 02 Jun 1743. More About ELIPHALET HALL and MERCY HILL: Marriage: 02 Jun 1743 35. ii. JAMES HILL, b. 28 Feb 1712; d. Oct 1798. Generation No. 4 13. ISAAC4 HILL (ISAAC3, JAMES2, JOHN1) was born 18 Dec 1717. He married (1) ESTHER STONE, daughter of BENJAMIN STONE. He married (2) CAROLINE PERRY 16 Nov 1741. More About ISAAC HILL and CAROLINE PERRY: Marriage: 16 Nov 1741 Children of ISAAC HILL and ESTHER STONE are: i. ROUSEL5 HILL, b. 26 Aug 1744. ii. ABIGAIL HILL, b. 25 Sep 1749. iii. ANN HILL, b. 1755. 14. AHIRA4 HILL (ISAAC3, JAMES2, JOHN1) was born 27 Jan 1726, and died 1777 in Woodbury. He married (1) HANNAH ?. He married (2) MEHITABLE LEWIS 29 Jan 1754. More About AHIRA HILL and MEHITABLE LEWIS: Marriage: 29 Jan 1754 Children of AHIRA HILL and HANNAH ? are: i. JOSIAH5 HILL, b. 08 May 1774. ii. RHODA HILL, b. Jun 1775. 15. DANIEL4 HILL (ISAAC3, JAMES2, JOHN1) was born 30 Jan 1734 in East Guilford, Conn., and died Bet. 21 Sep 1756 - 1766. He married LUCY PARMELEE 06 Feb 1751. She died Apr 1798. More About DANIEL HILL and LUCY PARMELEE: Marriage: 06 Feb 1751 Children of DANIEL HILL and LUCY PARMELEE are: i. JOHN5 HILL, b. 08 Jul 1751; m. RHODA ?. ii. MOSES HILL, b. 26 Jul 1754. iii. SARAH HILL, b. 28 Aug 1756; m. ISAAC WINSTONE, 22 Mar 1779. More About ISAAC WINSTONE and SARAH HILL: Marriage: 22 Mar 1779 iv. LUCY HILL, b. 30 Jun 1759. 16. JONATHAN4 HILL (ISAAC3, JAMES2, JOHN1) was born 30 Jan 1734, and died 10 Feb 1793. He married ELIZABETH PERRY 19 Apr 1758. More About JONATHAN HILL and ELIZABETH PERRY: Marriage: 19 Apr 1758 Children of JONATHAN HILL and ELIZABETH PERRY are: i. ANNE5 HILL, b. 19 Apr 1759. ii. REUBEN HILL, b. 26 Feb 1761. iii. DAVID HILL, b. 10 Feb 1765; d. 1845. iv. JONATHAN HILL, b. 25 Mar 1769. v. DANIEL HILL, b. 22 Mar 1767; d. 02 Mar 1849; m. ELECTA MINOR; d. 07 Feb 1840. 17. ZENAS4 HILL (ISAAC3, JAMES2, JOHN1) was born 04 Jun 1738. He married KEZIAH ?. Children of ZENAS HILL and KEZIAH ? are: i. SARAH5 HILL, b. 20 Mar 1762. ii. ZENAS HILL, b. 26 Dec 1764. iii. JESSE HILL, b. 10 Dec 1766. 18. REUBEN4 HILL (DANIEL3, JAMES2, JOHN1) was born 1715, and died 17 Nov 1804. He married (1) MARY JACOBS. She died 06 Feb 1776. He married (2) DORCAS ?. Children of REUBEN HILL and MARY JACOBS are: i. MERCY5 HILL, b. 31 Jan 1744; d. 05 Jan 1831; m. HULL CRAMPTON; d. 21 Nov 1796. ii. REUBEN HILL, b. 25 Feb 1746; d. 23 Sep 1835; m. HANNAH SCRANTON, 1776; d. 20 Mar 1833. More About REUBEN HILL and HANNAH SCRANTON: Marriage: 1776 iii. JAMES HILL, b. 11 Feb 1749; d. 16 Sep 1825; m. MABEL BLACKLEY; d. 16 Jan 1811. iv. LYDIA HILL, b. 27 Nov 1752; m. ISHI NORTON; d. 21 Jul 1801. v. ANNA HILL, b. 22 Oct 1755; d. 06 Feb 1797; m. DANIEL EVARTS. vi. EZRA HILL, b. 19 Apr 1759; m. OLIVE SCRANTON. 19. DANIEL4 HILL (DANIEL3, JAMES2, JOHN1) was born 29 Oct 1719, and died 25 Nov 1761 in Crown Point. He married MARY HOYT 25 May 1748. She died Jul 1801. More About DANIEL HILL and MARY HOYT: Marriage: 25 May 1748 Children of DANIEL HILL and MARY HOYT are: i. MARY5 HILL, b. 28 Mar 1750; d. Sep 1816. ii. HANNAH HILL, b. 03 Nov 1752; d. Nov 1818. iii. DANIEL HILL, b. 22 Oct 1755; d. 12 Jun 1823. 20. TIMOTHY4 HILL (DANIEL3, JAMES2, JOHN1) was born 22 May 1722, and died 06 Feb 1781. He married ELIZABETH STEVENS 27 Oct 1748. She died Apr 1801. Notes for TIMOTHY HILL: By his father's will he was to be educated at Yale, but he did not graduate there. His funeral sermon was preached by Rev. Jonathan Todd and was published. More About TIMOTHY HILL: Degree: Deacon More About TIMOTHY HILL and ELIZABETH STEVENS: Marriage: 27 Oct 1748 Children of TIMOTHY HILL and ELIZABETH STEVENS are: i. TIMOTHY5 HILL, b. 27 Jul 1749; m. ELIZABETH NORTON. ii. ELIZABETH HILL, b. 25 Mar 1756; d. 26 May 1833; m. JONATHAN DUDLEY, 04 Feb 1778; d. 05 Apr 1796. More About JONATHAN DUDLEY and ELIZABETH HILL: Marriage: 04 Feb 1778 iii. MINDWELL HILL, b. 10 Sep 1759; m. JONATHAN LEE; d. 04 Nov 1844. 21. ABNER4 HILL (DANIEL3, JAMES2, JOHN1) was born 06 Jun 1726. He married SARAH BIBBINS 27 Dec 1770. More About ABNER HILL and SARAH BIBBINS: Marriage: 27 Dec 1770 Children of ABNER HILL and SARAH BIBBINS are: i. ABNER5 HILL, b. 11 Oct 1771; d. Bef. 1776. ii. BEULAH HILL, b. 18 Sep 1773; m. EDMUND GRAVES. iii. ABNER HILL, b. Mar 1776. 22. JOHN4 HILL (JOHN3, JAMES2, JOHN1) was born 23 Feb 1721, and died 23 Jul 1786. He married REBECCA SCRANTON 1757, daughter of JOHN SCRANTON. She was born 1722, and died 05 May 1798. More About JOHN HILL and REBECCA SCRANTON: Marriage: 1757 Children of JOHN HILL and REBECCA SCRANTON are: i. JOHN5 HILL, b. 13 Jul 1758; d. 01 Dec 1830; m. (1) ABIGAILE GRAY; b. 1756; d. 03 Apr 1800; m. (2) CATE FYLER; b. 1760; d. 13 Nov 1806; m. (3) MARY HAYDEN; b. 1768; d. 09 Oct 1847. ii. ICHABOD HILL, b. 19 Dec 1760. iii. ABRAHAM HILL, b. 16 May 1763; d. Sep 1840; m. LYDIA MURRAY, 29 Sep 1784. More About ABRAHAM HILL and LYDIA MURRAY: Marriage: 29 Sep 1784 iv. REBECCA HILL, b. 1767; m. SAMUEL ACKERSLEY, 15 Jun 1780. More About SAMUEL ACKERSLEY and REBECCA HILL: Marriage: 15 Jun 1780 23. NATHANIEL4 HILL (JOHN3, JAMES2, JOHN1) was born 26 Oct 1730 in Guilford, New Haven, Ct. He married ESTHER FIELD 01 Jan 1756, daughter of JOAREB FIELD and ABIGAIL BRADLEY. She was born Sep 1733 in Guilford, New Haven, Ct. More About NATHANIEL HILL and ESTHER FIELD: Marriage: 01 Jan 1756 Children of NATHANIEL HILL and ESTHER FIELD are: i. BETTY5 HILL, b. 15 Oct 1756, Guilford, New Haven, Ct. ii. BEULAH HILL, b. 21 Sep 1757, Guilford, New Haven, Ct. iii. RUTH HILL, b. 21 Sep 1757, Guilford, New Haven, Ct. iv. ESTHER HILL, b. 01 Aug 1759, Guilford, New Haven, Ct. v. NATHAN HILL, b. 09 Jun 1763, Wallingford Twp., New Haven, Ct.. vi. ABIGAIL HILL, b. 05 Dec 1765, Wallingford Twp., New Haven, Ct.. vii. AMBROSS HILL, b. 29 Mar 1767, Wallingford Twp., New Haven, Ct.. 36. viii. LYMAN HILL, b. 23 Oct 1769, Wallingford Twp., New Haven, Ct.; d. Bef. 1850. ix. SIMON HILL, b. 23 Oct 1769, Wallingford Twp., New Haven, Ct.. 24. WILLIAM4 HILL (MICHAEL3, JAMES2, JOHN1) was born 13 Jul 1743. He married (1) MARTHA ?. He married (2) HANNAH PLATT 15 Apr 1765. More About WILLIAM HILL: Ordination: Reverand More About WILLIAM HILL and HANNAH PLATT: Marriage: 15 Apr 1765 Children of WILLIAM HILL and HANNAH PLATT are: i. JOSEPH5 HILL, b. 23 Jan 1766. More About JOSEPH HILL: Military service: Colonel ii. WILLIAM ASA HILL, b. 29 Jan 1768; d. 04 Dec 1826; m. BETSEY KELSEY; b. 1776; d. 21 Aug 1854. iii. HANNAH HILL, b. 25 Sep 1771. iv. JERUSHA HILL, m. GIDEON HAYDEN. v. AARON HILL. 25. SAMUEL4 HILL (MICHAEL3, JAMES2, JOHN1) was born 17 Aug 1745, and died Dec 1818. He married EDITH BAYLEY 02 Jan 1769. She was born 1745. More About SAMUEL HILL and EDITH BAYLEY: Marriage: 02 Jan 1769 Children of SAMUEL HILL and EDITH BAYLEY are: i. CHRISTOPHER5 HILL, b. 28 Jan 1771; d. 05 Sep 1800. ii. EDWARD HILL, b. 04 Oct 1772; d. 04 Oct 1773. iii. EDWARD HILL, b. 07 Sep 1774; m. ELIZABETH LEE; b. 31 Aug 1774. iv. MARY ANN HILL, b. 24 Mar 1777; d. 1843; m. SETH LEE; d. 1826. v. MEHITABLE HILL, b. 26 Mar 1779; d. 05 Sep 1843. vi. ROXANNA HILL, b. 09 Jan 1782; m. (1) ISAAC MCCRAY; m. (2) UNKNOWN HOLBROOK. vii. SARAH HILL, b. 28 Jan 1784; d. 07 Mar 1849; m. (1) UNKNOWN ROGERS; m. (2) UNKNOWN MCCRAY. 26. WILLIAM4 HILL (MICHAEL3, JAMES2, JOHN1) was born 28 Jan 1722, and died 30 Apr 1741. Child of WILLIAM HILL is: i. SARAH5 HILL. 27. MICHAEL4 HILL (MICHAEL3, JAMES2, JOHN1) was born 01 Mar 1724. He married (1) ANNA ?. He married (2) FLORA WARD 12 Sep 1751. She died 27 Mar 1752. More About MICHAEL HILL and FLORA WARD: Marriage: 12 Sep 1751 Children of MICHAEL HILL and ANNA ? are: i. HENRY5 HILL, b. 1753; d. 07 Oct 1799. ii. MICHAEL HILL. iii. FLORA HILL. iv. SARAH HILL. v. UNKNOWN HILL. vi. UNKNOWN HILL. 28. PELEG4 HILL (MICHAEL3, JAMES2, JOHN1) was born 20 Apr 1730, and died 29 Feb 1812 in Catskill, NY. He married DORCAS TUCKER 15 Dec 1754. More About PELEG HILL and DORCAS TUCKER: Marriage: 15 Dec 1754 Children of PELEG HILL and DORCAS TUCKER are: i. SARAH5 HILL, b. 26 Nov 1755. ii. PELEG HILL, b. 05 Dec 1757. iii. HILAND HILL, b. 08 Nov 1759. iv. JAMES HILL, b. 12 Sep 1761. v. RICHARD HILL, b. 27 Nov 1763. vi. DORCAS HILL. vii. UNKNOWN HILL. 29. ANNE4 CLARK (SARAH3 HILL, JOHN2, JOHN1) was born 17 Jun 1717 in New Haven, Connecticut, and died 17 Jul 1777 in Schooley's Mtn, Sussex, NJ. She married ROBERT CULVER Abt. 1731 in Connecticut, son of JOHN CULVER and SARAH LONG. He was born 10 Jun 1713 in Groton, New London, Connecticut, and died 07 Jan 1783 in Schooleys Mountain, Morris, New Jersey. More About ROBERT CULVER and ANNE CLARK: Marriage: Abt. 1731, Connecticut Children of ANNE CLARK and ROBERT CULVER are: 37. i. LAVINIA5 CULVER, b. Abt. 1737, New Jersey; d. Aft. 1805, Townsend Tshp, Norfolk Co., Ontario. ii. DAVID CULVER, b. Abt. 1731. iii. MERCY CULVER, b. Abt. 1732. iv. ANN CULVER, b. Abt. 1733. v. TIMOTHY CULVER, b. Abt. 1738. vi. ESTHER CULVER, b. Abt. 1740. vii. ROBERT CULVER, b. 02 Sep 1743. viii. JOSEPH CULVER, b. Abt. 1744. 30. JOHN4 HILL III (JOHN3, JOHN2, JOHN1) was born 13 Jun 1695, and died 10 Feb 1740. He married HANNAH DIBBLE 10 Sep 1716. She died 12 Apr 1739. Notes for JOHN HILL III: I have another date of death for him of Sept. 6, 1756. More About JOHN HILL and HANNAH DIBBLE: Marriage: 10 Sep 1716 Children of JOHN HILL and HANNAH DIBBLE are: i. HANNAH5 HILL, b. 12 Oct 1717; d. 06 Dec 1736. ii. JOHN HILL, b. 20 Oct 1719; d. 16 Feb 1746; m. (1) RUTH?; m. (2) UNKNOWN DOOLITTLE. iii. ELIJAH HILL, b. 18 Feb 1723. iv. ELIZABETH HILL, b. 20 Dec 1725. v. SUSANNAH HILL, b. 29 Mar 1729. vi. MARY HILL, b. 01 Mar 1731. 31. THOMAS4 HILL (JOHN3, JOHN2, JOHN1) was born 27 Sep 1708, and died 23 Feb 1792. He married HANNAH PIERSON 23 May 1734. She died 06 May 1791. More About THOMAS HILL and HANNAH PIERSON: Marriage: 23 May 1734 Children of THOMAS HILL and HANNAH PIERSON are: i. LUCY5 HILL, b. 29 Jul 1735; d. 13 Dec 1745. ii. HANNAH HILL, b. 27 Jul 1737; d. 27 Dec 1808; m. NATHANIEL JOHNSON, 10 Dec 1761; d. 10 Mar 1798. More About NATHANIEL JOHNSON and HANNAH HILL: Marriage: 10 Dec 1761 iii. ELIZABETH HILL, b. 09 Sep 1739; d. 28 Jul 1748. iv. THOMAS HILL, b. 20 May 1743; d. 04 Apr 1820; m. ELIZABETH FAIRCHILD; b. 13 Oct 1751; d. 28 Feb 1812. 32. GEORGE4 HILL (JOHN3, JOHN2, JOHN1) was born 05 Apr 1710, and died 09 Feb 1787. He married RUTH ROBINSON 23 Oct 1738, daughter of THOMAS ROBINSON. She died 21 Nov 1792. More About GEORGE HILL and RUTH ROBINSON: Marriage: 23 Oct 1738 Children of GEORGE HILL and RUTH ROBINSON are: i. RACHEL5 HILL, b. 29 Dec 1739; d. 25 Dec 1773. ii. BENJAMIN HILL, b. 17 Dec 1741; d. 20 Dec 1815. iii. RUTH HILL, b. 07 Aug 1744; d. 11 Nov 1820; m. ZIMRA BRADLEY, 1769; b. 1740; d. 26 Sep 1821. More About ZIMRA BRADLEY and RUTH HILL: Marriage: 1769 iv. LEAH HILL, b. 19 Jun 1748; m. (1) GILES TRUBY; d. Apr 1780; m. (2) ELIJAH LEETE, 1786; d. 19 Apr 1825. More About ELIJAH LEETE and LEAH HILL: Marriage: 1786 33. HENRY4 HILL (SAMUEL3, JOHN2, JOHN1) was born 02 Aug 1714, and died 17 Jul 1751. He married SARAH HART 09 Jan 1750 in Connecticut, daughter of JOHN HART. She was born 01 Mar 1727, and died 20 Jun 1789 in Connecticut. More About HENRY HILL and SARAH HART: Marriage: 09 Jan 1750, Connecticut Child of HENRY HILL and SARAH HART is: 38. i. HENRY5 HILL, b. 15 Oct 1750; d. 21 Dec 1827. 34. NATHANIEL4 HILL (SAMUEL3, JOHN2, JOHN1) was born 10 Mar 1716, and died 16 Nov 1771. He married ANNA CALDWELL 30 Nov 1748, daughter of CHARLES CALDWELL. She died 25 Apr 1800. More About NATHANIEL HILL and ANNA CALDWELL: Marriage: 30 Nov 1748 Children of NATHANIEL HILL and ANNA CALDWELL are: i. NATHANIEL5 HILL, b. 16 Nov 1749; d. 07 Dec 1881; m. SARAH BUTLER, 05 Apr 1781. More About NATHANIEL HILL and SARAH BUTLER: Marriage: 05 Apr 1781 ii. ANNA HILL, b. 24 Sep 1752; m. DARIUS STONE, 1790. More About DARIUS STONE and ANNA HILL: Marriage: 1790 iii. HULDAH HILL, b. 21 Feb 1755; d. 03 Feb 1838; m. SAMUEL JOHNSON, 24 May 1780; d. 20 Jun 1836. More About SAMUEL JOHNSON and HULDAH HILL: Marriage: 24 May 1780 iv. SARAH HILL, b. 03 Feb 1765; d. 31 Oct 1795. 35. JAMES4 HILL (JAMES3, JOHN2, JOHN1) was born 28 Feb 1712, and died Oct 1798. He married HANNAH NETTLETON Abt. 1743. She died 1822. More About JAMES HILL and HANNAH NETTLETON: Marriage: Abt. 1743 Children of JAMES HILL and HANNAH NETTLETON are: i. HANNAH5 HILL, b. 14 Apr 1744; m. ABNER HULL, 11 Jun 1767. More About ABNER HULL and HANNAH HILL: Marriage: 11 Jun 1767 ii. SIBYL HILL, b. 10 Oct 1746; m. EZRA PARMELEE; b. Newport, VT.. iii. MARCY HILL, b. 26 Feb 1747; m. ABSALOM KELSEY; b. Newport, VT.. iv. JAMES HILL, b. 30 Nov 1749; d. 1802; m. ELEANOR HULL; d. 1804. v. NOAH HILL, b. 22 Oct 1751; d. 29 Apr 1826; m. CAROLINE PARMELEE, 1777; d. 07 Mar 1827. More About NOAH HILL and CAROLINE PARMELEE: Marriage: 1777 vi. JOHN HILL, b. 04 Feb 1754; d. 05 Aug 1777. vii. THANKFUL HILL, b. 09 Feb 1756; m. ELIAS PARMELEE. viii. SELAH HILL, b. 08 Feb 1758; m. SALLY TURNER; d. New Hampshire. ix. HENRY HILL, b. 21 Jul 1761; d. 28 Mar 1834; m. LUCY DOOLITTLE. x. BENJAMIN HILL, b. 15 Apr 1765; d. 1849; m. JEMIMA STANNARD, 1796. More About BENJAMIN HILL: Degree: Doctor More About BENJAMIN HILL and JEMIMA STANNARD: Marriage: 1796 xi. JOSEPH HILL, b. 15 Apr 1765; d. 29 Sep 1840; m. HESTER BUTLER. 39. xii. MOLLY HILL, b. 20 Feb 1767. Generation No. 5 36. LYMAN5 HILL (NATHANIEL4, JOHN3, JAMES2, JOHN1) was born 23 Oct 1769 in Wallingford Twp., New Haven, Ct., and died Bef. 1850. He married HANNAH HULL 24 Nov 1794 in Kinngworth, Middlesex, Ct. or Cheshire, New Haven, CT.. She was born Jan 1771 in Connecticut, and died Bef. 1860. More About LYMAN HILL and HANNAH HULL: Marriage: 24 Nov 1794, Kinngworth, Middlesex, Ct. or Cheshire, New Haven, CT. Children of LYMAN HILL and HANNAH HULL are: i. MERAB6 HILL, b. 31 Oct 1795, Cheshire Twp., New Haven, CT.. ii. ABIGAIL HILL, b. Jan 1798, Cheshire Twp., New Haven, CT.. iii. LYMAN ALANSON HILL, b. 25 Dec 1799, Cheshire Twp., New Haven, CT.. iv. HANNAH HILL, b. 16 Apr 1802, Cheshire Twp., New Haven, CT.. v. RICHARSON RODERICK HILL, b. 23 Jul 1804, Cheshire Twp., New Haven, CT.. vi. ANDREW S. HILL, b. 14 Jul 1810, Livonia, New York; d. 22 Dec 1891, Patch Grove, WI; m. (1) MIRIAM PRATT, 09 Mar 1834; b. 13 Oct 1814, New York; d. 19 Nov 1839, Lorraine Co., Ohio; m. (2) ELIZABETH ANNA POWERS, 04 Mar 1841, Lorraine Co., Ohio; b. 11 Jul 1820, Cattaraugus Co., New York; d. 1895, Patch Grove, WI. More About ANDREW HILL and MIRIAM PRATT: Marriage: 09 Mar 1834 More About ANDREW HILL and ELIZABETH POWERS: Marriage: 04 Mar 1841, Lorraine Co., Ohio 37. LAVINIA5 CULVER (ANNE4 CLARK, SARAH3 HILL, JOHN2, JOHN1) was born Abt. 1737 in New Jersey, and died Aft. 1805 in Townsend Tshp, Norfolk Co., Ontario. She married FREDERICK SOVEREIGN. He was born 1745 in New Jersey, and died 25 Oct 1805 in Townsend Tshp, Norfolk Co., Ontario. More About LAVINIA CULVER: Burial: Waterford, Norfolk Co., Ontario Notes for FREDERICK SOVEREIGN: [Our Family2.FBK.FBK.FTW2.FTW] Morris County, New Jersey Militia - 1793 Morris Soverean Roxbury Henry Sovereen Roxbury John Sovereen Roxbury Leonard Sovereen Roxbury David Soveren Roxbury More About FREDERICK SOVEREIGN: Burial: Waterford, Norfolk Co., Ontario Children of LAVINIA CULVER and FREDERICK SOVEREIGN are: i. JACOB6 SOVEREIGN, b. 06 Nov 1759, Schooley's Mtn, Sussex, NJ; m. ELIZABETH PICKLE, Abt. 1786, Schooleys Mtn, Sussex, NJ; b. 1763, Morris, NJ; d. 02 Jan 1849, London District, Ontario, Canada. More About ELIZABETH PICKLE: Burial: Delhi Cemetery, Windham, London District, Ontario More About JACOB SOVEREIGN and ELIZABETH PICKLE: Marriage: Abt. 1786, Schooleys Mtn, Sussex, NJ ii. DAVID SOVEREIGN, b. Abt. 1759. iii. LEONARD SOVEREIGN, b. Abt. 1763. iv. FREDERICK SOVEREIGN, b. 25 Dec 1764. v. ANNA SOVEREIGN, b. Abt. 1772. vi. HENRY SOVEREIGN, b. Abt. 1774. vii. MORRIS SOVEREIGN, b. Abt. 1775. viii. CATHERINE SOVEREIGN, b. 24 Apr 1776. ix. PHILLIP SOVEREIGN, b. Abt. 1778. x. ELIZABETH SOVEREIGN, b. Abt. 1778. xi. EVA SOVEREIGN, b. Abt. 1780. xii. GEORGE SOVEREIGN. xiii. JOHN SOVEREIGN. 38. HENRY5 HILL (HENRY4, SAMUEL3, JOHN2, JOHN1) was born 15 Oct 1750, and died 21 Dec 1827. He married LEAH STONE 21 Nov 1774, daughter of DANIEL STONE. She was born 1752, and died 18 Dec 1831. More About HENRY HILL and LEAH STONE: Marriage: 21 Nov 1774 Children of HENRY HILL and LEAH STONE are: i. HENRY6 HILL, JR., b. 04 Jul 1778; d. 30 Aug 1863, Second Battle of Bull Run; m. LUCY M. RUSSELL. ii. DANIEL HILL, b. 1787; d. 1806. iii. RICHARD HILL, b. 1789; d. 1814. More About RICHARD HILL: Cause of Death: Drowning iv. GEORGE HILL, b. 29 Jan 1796, Guilford, New Haven, Ct; d. 15 Dec 1871, Guilford, New Haven, Ct; m. (1) ELIZABETH HAMILTON; m. (2) MARY GEER. Notes for GEORGE HILL: George Hill, the poet, was born in Guilford Jan. 29, 1796. He graduated at Yale college in 1816, was afterwards empoyed as a clerk in one of the departmens in Washington. In 1827 he entered the navy as instructor in mathematics and, during his term of service, made a cruise in the Mediterranean. On his return to the United States he was appointed librarian of the state department. Subsequently he was appointed United States consul for the southern portion of Asia Minor, and, on his resignation in consequence of ill health, was again made a clerk in one of the departments in Washington. He resumed his residence in Guilford, about 1856, and died December 15, 1871. Ralph D. Smith, History of Guilford, Connecticut, 1877, at 136. v. UNKNOWN HILL. vi. UNKNOWN HILL. vii. UNKNOWN HILL. viii. UNKNOWN HILL. 39. MOLLY5 HILL (JAMES4, JAMES3, JOHN2, JOHN1) was born 20 Feb 1767. Notes for MOLLY HILL: Her daughter was illegitimate. Child of MOLLY HILL is: i. ALPHA6 BALDWIN.

Results from Relative Genetics are not cross-referenced with results from FTDNA, therefore results from Relative Genetics would NOT be included in the HILL DNA PROJECT. The only comparison between FTDNA and Relative Genetics results are in FTDNA's Y-Search. FTDNA does offer a conversion kit for customers that have tested with other companies but their previous results are not used. I hope this helps, AND for future reference, there is a Rootsweb Discussion list specifically on DNA that can be found at www.rootsweb.com. Byron Hill HILL DNA PROJECT www.hilldna.com

In a message dated 9/7/2006 1:42:20 PM Central Standard Time, hsabin@cox.net writes: To say my ancestors came from England shows that thse tests are so far back as to be useless for genealogy research. Sorry, but I apparently came in on the middle of this, but what does the above mean? Tjhank you, Laura

Hi David -- You can sign up for SMGF from their web page: <http://www.smgf.org/pages/coupon_request.jspx> I use FamilyTreeDNA. You can find them at http://www.familytreedna.com/products.html. I started with their 12 marker test, upgraded to 25 markers, then to 37 markers and then to 67 markers. While that spread the costs over an extended period of time, you can see that I paid a lot to get up to 67 markers. I recommend that you start with the highest number of markers you can afford. Take Care -- Paul CAPEHART Rootsweb Listowner Researching: VA - WHITE,LIPSCOMB,HILL,JOHNSON,SAUNDERS,TALBOT,TATE,EVANS NC - SMITH, BOSWELL, RHODES, MORRIS,.CAPEHART,MARSHE, BRITT,SHAW http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prsmith/ On Thursday, September 07, 2006 1:33 PM, David Hill [SMTP:dhill@hhl.biz] wrote: > How do I sign up for a DNA test? David Hill, Honolulu, HI > > _____ > > From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of PRSmith > Sent: Thu 9/7/2006 8:10 AM > To: 'pop.west.cox.net'; hill@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HILL] $95 DNA SPECIAL! > > > > Your opinions are noted and you are certainly entitled to > them. You also have the right not to participate in these > studies. Your opinions are not shared by those who > participate in these studies, however, and they have a right > to express their opinions and to discuss them with others. > Please feel free to delete any messages that offend you -- > they are, after all, innocuous compared to those > advertising > many other products and services we encounter on a regular > basis and they are on-topic since the posters are searching > for their Hill ancestry. > > Take Care -- Paul > CAPEHART Rootsweb Listowner > Researching: > VA - > WHITE,LIPSCOMB,HILL,JOHNSON,SAUNDERS,TALBOT,TATE,EVANS > NC - SMITH, BOSWELL, RHODES, > MORRIS,.CAPEHART,MARSHE, BRITT,SHAW > <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prsmith/> > > > > On Thursday, September 07, 2006 12:56 PM, pop.west.cox.net > [SMTP:hsabin@cox.net] wrote: > > The span of years that are transmitted to testees is > > worthless for genealogy > > research. I can go back four generations from me and to > > say > > my ancestors > > are from England tells me you have gone back so far as to > > make any research > > worthless. Then to say you cannot tell me specifically > which > > country of > > origin my ancestors came from - is ridiculous and makes > > any > > research > > worthless. Then to say, I probably shouldn't contact the > ONE > > person that > > has my same haplo group makes these tests worthless! All > > together - I still > > think its a FRAUD!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "PRSmith" <prsmith@houston.rr.com> > > To: <hill@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 10:35 AM > > Subject: Re: [HILL] $95 DNA SPECIAL! > > > > > > > Please explain why you think DNA testing is a waste of > > > time > > > and money. Thousands of people are participating in > > > these > > > studies and many have found connections World wide. It > > > is > > > a > > > viable and important tool for genealogical research. > > > > > > Also please note that you are a member of a List. As > such, > > > > > > you do not get to pick and choose which messages are > > > delivered > > > to you. > > > > > > Take Care -- Paul > > > CAPEHART Rootsweb Listowner > > > Researching: > > > VA - > > > WHITE,LIPSCOMB,HILL,JOHNSON,SAUNDERS,TALBOT,TATE,EVANS > > > NC - SMITH, BOSWELL, RHODES, > > > MORRIS,.CAPEHART,MARSHE, BRITT,SHAW > > > <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prsmith/> > > > > > > On Thursday, September 07, 2006 11:27 AM, helen sabin > > > [SMTP:hsabin@cox.net] wrote: > > >> These are a waste of time and money!! DO NOT send me > > >> any > > >> more announcements > > >> of this nature - you are so full of baloney! > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [<mailto:hill-> > > >> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > > >> Of FS Hill > > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:56 PM > > >> To: HILL-L@rootsweb.com > > >> Subject: [HILL] $95 DNA SPECIAL! > > >> > > >> As of August 23, 2006 Sorenson Molecular Genealogy > > > Foundation > > >> is offering a > > >> coupon for Relative Genetics (a commercial DNA test lab) > > >> > > >> for > > >> all > > >> participants. With the coupon you can purchase a 26 > marker > > >> Y > > >> chromosome > > >> test, or a mitochondrial DNA test for $95 (typically > $180- > > >> > > >> $220, depending on > > >> the lab). Not sure how long this offer is valid. If > > >> you > > > have > > >> questions or > > >> wish to request the discount coupon, contact > > >> > > >> Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation > > >> 2480 S Main Ste 200 > > >> Salt Lake City, Utah 84115 > > >> Phone: 1-800-344-7643 > > >> Email: info@smgf.org > > >> > > >> Web Site: www.smgf.org > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without > > >> the quotes in > > >> the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> HILL- > > >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > >> without > > >> the > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > >> Version: 7.0.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.1/440 - > > >> Release > > >> Date: 9/6/2006 > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.0.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.1/440 - Release > > Date: 9/6/2006 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > << File: ATT00312.txt >>

Aaron, I have a cousin, that her brother is doing the DNA, testing, we are searching for native american ancestery. I don't know a lot about DNA testing, but what I have read, I think it is great. I am also related to a Hill family my grandfather was James Ervin Hill, I have run across a brick wall, and if it was possible, I would have my DNA checked. By possible I mean I have other things going on, that need my attention. Keep up the good work. susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Hill" <mrmayor@hotmail.com> To: <hill@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 2:07 PM Subject: [HILL] DNA Testing A Fraud > DNA research is not a fraud, no matter what 'your opinion' is. I have been > connected with at least two lines (cousins) I never knew about. Especially > for those at a significant roadblock, it can be helpful. And I enjoy the > science behind it. Just because you don't fully understand how something > works doesn't mean you should poo-poo it so harshly. > > Aaron > > PS If DNA testing is such a fraud, why is paternity testing so prevalent? > > > From: "pop.west.cox.net" <hsabin@cox.net> > Reply-To: hill@rootsweb.com > To: <prsmith@houston.rr.com>, <hill@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [HILL] $95 DNA SPECIAL! > Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 10:55:39 -0700 > > The span of years that are transmitted to testees is worthless for > genealogy > research. I can go back four generations from me and to say my ancestors > are from England tells me you have gone back so far as to make any > research > worthless. Then to say you cannot tell me specifically which country of > origin my ancestors came from - is ridiculous and makes any research > worthless. Then to say, I probably shouldn't contact the ONE person that > has my same haplo group makes these tests worthless! All together - I > still > think its a FRAUD!! > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

LET'S TALK HAPLO GROUP SHALL WE? The understanding is quite clear - the FEMALE tests are vague - way too broad for genealogy purposes and worthless to anyone who wants more SPECIFIC information. I already knew that my ancestors probably came from ENGLAND - or Germany - or Italy - or Belgium where I found them - it doesn't take a molecular biologist to know that most white skinned folks are from that area. Nor does it take a molecular biologist to know that most dark skinned folks are from Africa and the Middle East. Now tell me what good that knowledge does for you - huh? IT doesn't help find that lost great grandfather or mother - all it does is tell you vague information! Research is not based on vagueness or a broad haplo group! HS -----Original Message----- From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Christine Czarnecki Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 1:15 PM To: hill@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HILL] DNA Research The mitochondrial DNA test is not too vague, it just tests for something quite different. I was trained as a molecular biologist and I can assure you that it's the understanding and interpretation of the test that is important and the key to gaining insight. The Y chromosome study looks to see if one man's Y chromosome is the same (a match) with another man's. A man will have the same Y chromosome as his father, his father's father, his father's father's father, all the way back along the male line. It will be the same as his father's, regardless of what surname he or his father had. It is the real McCoy, the actual paternal parentage, regardless of what marriage records or birth certificates say. I was so thrilled to see the $99 sale price that I immediately forwarded it to a man who keeps the database for the surname Motley. There is no DNA study yet on this surname, and there were two Motley men, John and Joseph, who immigrated in the 1600's and left descendants. Family lore says they were brothers, but they immigrated to different states, so how will we know? By having Motley surnamed men from both lines do the Y chromosome characterization and then compare. Are they the same or very close? Then they look to be closely related or descended from the same male Motley back in England. Are they completely different? Then they are not related. There is a lot of information in that alone. In regards to the "female DNA," the mitochondrial DNA, it can indeed, be very useful. Mitochndrial DNA is passed to us from our mothers, in the cytoplasm of the egg. The sperm doesn't pass mitochondrial DNA along to the child. So everyone, man or woman, has the same mitochondrial DNA as his or her mother. It tracks along the maternal line forever. The information about ancestral maternal origins is useful, as is the tracing of paternal origins from the Y chromosome. But using mtDNA can be relevant to recent genealogy as well. Here's an example: I have an ancestor, William Norman, who was a Revolutionary patriot and who married several times, with children by several different wives. There are not any marriage records still extant, so with some there is confusion as to who was the mother. It so happens that one of William Norman's daughters is my mother's mother' mother's, etc., back 7 times, all on the maternal line. My mitochondrial DNA is exactly the same as the wife of William Norman who is the mother of his daughter Elizabeth, this Mrs. Norman being my fifth great grandmother. There are other female-only descendants of other daughters of William Norman, some of whose maternal parentage is known for certain. Through the Norman Family Association, I am in the process of trying to locate them to do mtDNA tests. If we match, we are from the same wife of William Norman. If we don't it's from a different wife. Can you tell me how else we can determine this when there are no remaining written records? This is as relevant as finding written primary sources - maybe more so. Thank you for letting us know about the discounted price for Y testing. --- "pop.west.cox.net" <hsabin@cox.net> wrote: > AGAIN - the male tests may be useful but the female > is TOO VAGUE and > generalized for any worth in genealogy. Don't > believe me - send the testers > YOUR female DNA and see what I mean. > You learn best from life's lessons. Go ahead, I > dare you to waste your time > and money! > HS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brenda Stewart-Reeder" <kyseeker@comcast.net> > To: <hill@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 11:39 AM > Subject: Re: [HILL] DNA Research > > > > My husband did the test and he matched a gentleman > who had come to the > > same conclusion as I did. We could not find any > proof of parents except > > this elderly couple would come 40 miles in the > 1700's to be the sponsors > > for the baptisms for this couples children so we > knew they had to be > > related, but now we know we are on the right track > as they matched on a 37 > > marker test. Now my husband's family is really > interested in their family > > history, enough to travel 1500 miles to attend a > family reunion in 2004. > > > > My brother matched 2 men who were from Muhlenberg > Co., KY, and our > > ancestor was born in Muhlenberg Co. but had moved > to Livingston Co. but I > > had figured his father and the 4 older men of > Muhlenberg Co. were probably > > brothers and now we know we are also on the right > track there. I knew one > > further generation they did not have from the 1852 > Livingston Co. Clerk's > > ledger book. We are now looking for descendants > of the other two so they > > can also test. > > > > These tests have brought a lot of people all > interested in genealogy > > together where we might not have ever been if it > was not for the testing. > > I ordered my own mtDNA test last night. > > > > I am so glad we all have freedom of speech and a > keyboard with a delete > > button. > > > > -------------- Original message > ---------------------- > > From: PRSmith <prsmith@houston.rr.com> > >> Your opinions are noted and you are certainly > entitled to > >> them. You also have the right not to participate > in these > >> studies. Your opinions are not shared by those > who > >> participate in these studies, however, and they > have a right > >> to express their opinions and to discuss them > with others. > >> Please feel free to delete any messages that > offend you -- > >> they are, after all, innocuous compared to those > advertising > >> many other products and services we encounter on > a regular > >> basis and they are on-topic since the posters are > searching > >> for their Hill ancestry. > >> > >> Take Care -- Paul > >> CAPEHART Rootsweb Listowner > >> Researching: > >> VA - > >> > WHITE,LIPSCOMB,HILL,JOHNSON,SAUNDERS,TALBOT,TATE,EVANS > >> NC - SMITH, BOSWELL, RHODES, > >> MORRIS,.CAPEHART,MARSHE, BRITT,SHAW > >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prsmith/ > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thursday, September 07, 2006 12:56 PM, > pop.west.cox.net > >> [SMTP:hsabin@cox.net] wrote: > >> > The span of years that are transmitted to > testees is > >> > worthless for genealogy > >> > research. I can go back four generations from > me and to say > >> > my ancestors > >> > are from England tells me you have gone back so > far as to > >> > make any research > >> > worthless. Then to say you cannot tell me > specifically > >> which > >> > country of > >> > origin my ancestors came from - is ridiculous > and makes any > >> > research > >> > worthless. Then to say, I probably shouldn't > contact the > >> ONE > >> > person that > >> > has my same haplo group makes these tests > worthless! All > >> > together - I still > >> > think its a FRAUD!! > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "PRSmith" <prsmith@houston.rr.com> > >> > To: <hill@rootsweb.com> > >> > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 10:35 AM > >> > Subject: Re: [HILL] $95 DNA SPECIAL! > >> > > >> > > >> > > Please explain why you think DNA testing is a > waste of > >> > > time > >> > > and money. Thousands of people are > participating in these > >> > > studies and many have found connections World > wide. It is > >> > > a > >> > > viable and important tool for genealogical > research. > >> > > > >> > > Also please note that you are a member of a > List. As > >> such, > >> > > > >> > > you do not get to pick and choose which > messages are > >> > > delivered > >> > > to you. > >> > > > >> > > Take Care -- Paul > >> > > CAPEHART Rootsweb Listowner > >> > > Researching: > >> > > VA - > >> > > > WHITE,LIPSCOMB,HILL,JOHNSON,SAUNDERS,TALBOT,TATE,EVANS > >> > > NC - SMITH, BOSWELL, RHODES, > >> > > MORRIS,.CAPEHART,MARSHE, BRITT,SHAW > >> > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prsmith/ > >> > > > >> > > On Thursday, September 07, 2006 11:27 AM, > helen sabin > >> > > [SMTP:hsabin@cox.net] wrote: > >> > >> These are a waste of time and money!! DO > NOT send me any > >> > >> more announcements > >> > >> of this nature - you are so full of baloney! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:hill- > >> > >> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > >> > >> Of FS Hill > >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:56 PM > >> > >> To: HILL-L@rootsweb.com > >> > >> Subject: [HILL] $95 DNA SPECIAL! > >> > >> > >> > >> As of August 23, 2006 Sorenson Molecular > Genealogy > >> > > Foundation > >> > >> is offering a > >> > >> coupon for Relative Genetics (a commercial > DNA test lab) > >> > >> for > >> > >> all > >> > >> participants. With the coupon you can > purchase a 26 > >> marker > >> > >> Y > >> > >> chromosome > >> > >> test, or a mitochondrial DNA test for $95 > (typically > >> $180- > >> > >> > >> > >> $220, depending on > >> > >> the lab). Not sure how long this offer is > valid. If you > >> > > have > >> > >> questions or > >> > >> wish to request the discount coupon, contact > >> > >> > >> > >> Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation > >> > >> 2480 S Main Ste 200 > >> > >> Salt Lake City, Utah 84115 > >> > >> Phone: 1-800-344-7643 > === message truncated === ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

These are MALE TESTS - yes? What is your success rate for the FEMALE DNA? HUH? hs -----Original Message----- From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Byron Hill Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 1:18 PM To: hill@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HILL] DNA Testing A Fraud Anyone who has any doubts about the validity or the great success of DNA testing can visit the HILL DNA PROJECT and see what DNA testing has acomplished. We have almost 250 participants in the HILL DNA PROJECT, and most of them have proven or disproven large portions of their research that otherwise would have taken decades to confirm. Without DNA testing most of us in the project would still be where we were several years ago, searching for some huge missing piece to the puzzle that would have probably remained a mystery forever. Byron Hill HILL DNA PROJECT On 9/7/06, PsychSW@aol.com <PsychSW@aol.com> wrote: > > > In a message dated 9/7/2006 2:29:55 PM Central Standard Time, > hsabin@cox.net > writes: > > The male is the ONLY one of use for genealogy. > > > > Even I, who doesn't really understand all the ins and outs of the testing, > haplos, etc., understand and have understood since the get-go that the > male DNA > testing is the best method. I have a male cousin who is a 6th generation > direct line Male of our Alabama Wyatt line and we have hopes for making > some > connections as this is a well-researched line and much DNA is going on. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The mitochondrial DNA test is not too vague, it just tests for something quite different. I was trained as a molecular biologist and I can assure you that it's the understanding and interpretation of the test that is important and the key to gaining insight. The Y chromosome study looks to see if one man's Y chromosome is the same (a match) with another man's. A man will have the same Y chromosome as his father, his father's father, his father's father's father, all the way back along the male line. It will be the same as his father's, regardless of what surname he or his father had. It is the real McCoy, the actual paternal parentage, regardless of what marriage records or birth certificates say. I was so thrilled to see the $99 sale price that I immediately forwarded it to a man who keeps the database for the surname Motley. There is no DNA study yet on this surname, and there were two Motley men, John and Joseph, who immigrated in the 1600's and left descendants. Family lore says they were brothers, but they immigrated to different states, so how will we know? By having Motley surnamed men from both lines do the Y chromosome characterization and then compare. Are they the same or very close? Then they look to be closely related or descended from the same male Motley back in England. Are they completely different? Then they are not related. There is a lot of information in that alone. In regards to the "female DNA," the mitochondrial DNA, it can indeed, be very useful. Mitochndrial DNA is passed to us from our mothers, in the cytoplasm of the egg. The sperm doesn't pass mitochondrial DNA along to the child. So everyone, man or woman, has the same mitochondrial DNA as his or her mother. It tracks along the maternal line forever. The information about ancestral maternal origins is useful, as is the tracing of paternal origins from the Y chromosome. But using mtDNA can be relevant to recent genealogy as well. Here's an example: I have an ancestor, William Norman, who was a Revolutionary patriot and who married several times, with children by several different wives. There are not any marriage records still extant, so with some there is confusion as to who was the mother. It so happens that one of William Norman's daughters is my mother's mother' mother's, etc., back 7 times, all on the maternal line. My mitochondrial DNA is exactly the same as the wife of William Norman who is the mother of his daughter Elizabeth, this Mrs. Norman being my fifth great grandmother. There are other female-only descendants of other daughters of William Norman, some of whose maternal parentage is known for certain. Through the Norman Family Association, I am in the process of trying to locate them to do mtDNA tests. If we match, we are from the same wife of William Norman. If we don't it's from a different wife. Can you tell me how else we can determine this when there are no remaining written records? This is as relevant as finding written primary sources - maybe more so. Thank you for letting us know about the discounted price for Y testing. --- "pop.west.cox.net" <hsabin@cox.net> wrote: > AGAIN - the male tests may be useful but the female > is TOO VAGUE and > generalized for any worth in genealogy. Don't > believe me - send the testers > YOUR female DNA and see what I mean. > You learn best from life's lessons. Go ahead, I > dare you to waste your time > and money! > HS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brenda Stewart-Reeder" <kyseeker@comcast.net> > To: <hill@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 11:39 AM > Subject: Re: [HILL] DNA Research > > > > My husband did the test and he matched a gentleman > who had come to the > > same conclusion as I did. We could not find any > proof of parents except > > this elderly couple would come 40 miles in the > 1700's to be the sponsors > > for the baptisms for this couples children so we > knew they had to be > > related, but now we know we are on the right track > as they matched on a 37 > > marker test. Now my husband's family is really > interested in their family > > history, enough to travel 1500 miles to attend a > family reunion in 2004. > > > > My brother matched 2 men who were from Muhlenberg > Co., KY, and our > > ancestor was born in Muhlenberg Co. but had moved > to Livingston Co. but I > > had figured his father and the 4 older men of > Muhlenberg Co. were probably > > brothers and now we know we are also on the right > track there. I knew one > > further generation they did not have from the 1852 > Livingston Co. Clerk's > > ledger book. We are now looking for descendants > of the other two so they > > can also test. > > > > These tests have brought a lot of people all > interested in genealogy > > together where we might not have ever been if it > was not for the testing. > > I ordered my own mtDNA test last night. > > > > I am so glad we all have freedom of speech and a > keyboard with a delete > > button. > > > > -------------- Original message > ---------------------- > > From: PRSmith <prsmith@houston.rr.com> > >> Your opinions are noted and you are certainly > entitled to > >> them. You also have the right not to participate > in these > >> studies. Your opinions are not shared by those > who > >> participate in these studies, however, and they > have a right > >> to express their opinions and to discuss them > with others. > >> Please feel free to delete any messages that > offend you -- > >> they are, after all, innocuous compared to those > advertising > >> many other products and services we encounter on > a regular > >> basis and they are on-topic since the posters are > searching > >> for their Hill ancestry. > >> > >> Take Care -- Paul > >> CAPEHART Rootsweb Listowner > >> Researching: > >> VA - > >> > WHITE,LIPSCOMB,HILL,JOHNSON,SAUNDERS,TALBOT,TATE,EVANS > >> NC - SMITH, BOSWELL, RHODES, > >> MORRIS,.CAPEHART,MARSHE, BRITT,SHAW > >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prsmith/ > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thursday, September 07, 2006 12:56 PM, > pop.west.cox.net > >> [SMTP:hsabin@cox.net] wrote: > >> > The span of years that are transmitted to > testees is > >> > worthless for genealogy > >> > research. I can go back four generations from > me and to say > >> > my ancestors > >> > are from England tells me you have gone back so > far as to > >> > make any research > >> > worthless. Then to say you cannot tell me > specifically > >> which > >> > country of > >> > origin my ancestors came from - is ridiculous > and makes any > >> > research > >> > worthless. Then to say, I probably shouldn't > contact the > >> ONE > >> > person that > >> > has my same haplo group makes these tests > worthless! All > >> > together - I still > >> > think its a FRAUD!! > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "PRSmith" <prsmith@houston.rr.com> > >> > To: <hill@rootsweb.com> > >> > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 10:35 AM > >> > Subject: Re: [HILL] $95 DNA SPECIAL! > >> > > >> > > >> > > Please explain why you think DNA testing is a > waste of > >> > > time > >> > > and money. Thousands of people are > participating in these > >> > > studies and many have found connections World > wide. It is > >> > > a > >> > > viable and important tool for genealogical > research. > >> > > > >> > > Also please note that you are a member of a > List. As > >> such, > >> > > > >> > > you do not get to pick and choose which > messages are > >> > > delivered > >> > > to you. > >> > > > >> > > Take Care -- Paul > >> > > CAPEHART Rootsweb Listowner > >> > > Researching: > >> > > VA - > >> > > > WHITE,LIPSCOMB,HILL,JOHNSON,SAUNDERS,TALBOT,TATE,EVANS > >> > > NC - SMITH, BOSWELL, RHODES, > >> > > MORRIS,.CAPEHART,MARSHE, BRITT,SHAW > >> > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prsmith/ > >> > > > >> > > On Thursday, September 07, 2006 11:27 AM, > helen sabin > >> > > [SMTP:hsabin@cox.net] wrote: > >> > >> These are a waste of time and money!! DO > NOT send me any > >> > >> more announcements > >> > >> of this nature - you are so full of baloney! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:hill- > >> > >> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > >> > >> Of FS Hill > >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:56 PM > >> > >> To: HILL-L@rootsweb.com > >> > >> Subject: [HILL] $95 DNA SPECIAL! > >> > >> > >> > >> As of August 23, 2006 Sorenson Molecular > Genealogy > >> > > Foundation > >> > >> is offering a > >> > >> coupon for Relative Genetics (a commercial > DNA test lab) > >> > >> for > >> > >> all > >> > >> participants. With the coupon you can > purchase a 26 > >> marker > >> > >> Y > >> > >> chromosome > >> > >> test, or a mitochondrial DNA test for $95 > (typically > >> $180- > >> > >> > >> > >> $220, depending on > >> > >> the lab). Not sure how long this offer is > valid. If you > >> > > have > >> > >> questions or > >> > >> wish to request the discount coupon, contact > >> > >> > >> > >> Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation > >> > >> 2480 S Main Ste 200 > >> > >> Salt Lake City, Utah 84115 > >> > >> Phone: 1-800-344-7643 > === message truncated ===

Your opinions are noted and you are certainly entitled to them. You also have the right not to participate in these studies. Your opinions are not shared by those who participate in these studies, however, and they have a right to express their opinions and to discuss them with others. Please feel free to delete any messages that offend you -- they are, after all, innocuous compared to those advertising many other products and services we encounter on a regular basis and they are on-topic since the posters are searching for their Hill ancestry. Take Care -- Paul CAPEHART Rootsweb Listowner Researching: VA - WHITE,LIPSCOMB,HILL,JOHNSON,SAUNDERS,TALBOT,TATE,EVANS NC - SMITH, BOSWELL, RHODES, MORRIS,.CAPEHART,MARSHE, BRITT,SHAW http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prsmith/ On Thursday, September 07, 2006 12:56 PM, pop.west.cox.net [SMTP:hsabin@cox.net] wrote: > The span of years that are transmitted to testees is > worthless for genealogy > research. I can go back four generations from me and to say > my ancestors > are from England tells me you have gone back so far as to > make any research > worthless. Then to say you cannot tell me specifically which > country of > origin my ancestors came from - is ridiculous and makes any > research > worthless. Then to say, I probably shouldn't contact the ONE > person that > has my same haplo group makes these tests worthless! All > together - I still > think its a FRAUD!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "PRSmith" <prsmith@houston.rr.com> > To: <hill@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 10:35 AM > Subject: Re: [HILL] $95 DNA SPECIAL! > > > > Please explain why you think DNA testing is a waste of > > time > > and money. Thousands of people are participating in these > > studies and many have found connections World wide. It is > > a > > viable and important tool for genealogical research. > > > > Also please note that you are a member of a List. As such, > > > > you do not get to pick and choose which messages are > > delivered > > to you. > > > > Take Care -- Paul > > CAPEHART Rootsweb Listowner > > Researching: > > VA - > > WHITE,LIPSCOMB,HILL,JOHNSON,SAUNDERS,TALBOT,TATE,EVANS > > NC - SMITH, BOSWELL, RHODES, > > MORRIS,.CAPEHART,MARSHE, BRITT,SHAW > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prsmith/ > > > > On Thursday, September 07, 2006 11:27 AM, helen sabin > > [SMTP:hsabin@cox.net] wrote: > >> These are a waste of time and money!! DO NOT send me any > >> more announcements > >> of this nature - you are so full of baloney! > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill- > >> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > >> Of FS Hill > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:56 PM > >> To: HILL-L@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: [HILL] $95 DNA SPECIAL! > >> > >> As of August 23, 2006 Sorenson Molecular Genealogy > > Foundation > >> is offering a > >> coupon for Relative Genetics (a commercial DNA test lab) > >> for > >> all > >> participants. With the coupon you can purchase a 26 marker > >> Y > >> chromosome > >> test, or a mitochondrial DNA test for $95 (typically $180- > >> > >> $220, depending on > >> the lab). Not sure how long this offer is valid. If you > > have > >> questions or > >> wish to request the discount coupon, contact > >> > >> Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation > >> 2480 S Main Ste 200 > >> Salt Lake City, Utah 84115 > >> Phone: 1-800-344-7643 > >> Email: info@smgf.org > >> > >> Web Site: www.smgf.org > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > >> the quotes in > >> the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> HILL- > >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.0.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.1/440 - Release > >> Date: 9/6/2006 > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.0.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.1/440 - Release > Date: 9/6/2006 >