I am a bit concerned by Helen's reaction to all of this, as if results must be immediate. Depending on what testing service a person uses, one has to look for matches within the various databases, not just the general deep ancestry results provided by the company. Aaron

Helen: Most family researchers and DNA participants aren't interested in all the ancient human origin things you are mentioning. They are more interested in simply connecting families, which enables them to exchange research, prove or disprove the traditional data they have, and learn more. Byron Hill HILL DNA PROJECT On 9/7/06, helen sabin <hsabin@cox.net> wrote: > > DID you do the Male DNA or the MtDNA Mike? Are you comparing apples or > oranges or male to female here? If the male, they are more relevant -in > fact, much more relevant than female Mt DNA testing which is worthless for > genealogy research unless one is too stupid to figure out that light > skinned > peoples came from Europe and eventually from England. I can tell you FREE > Of CHARGE that due to your last name, your ancestors probably came from > England unless you are Black and then they probably came from Africa! I > can > also tell you that the name HILL on blacks is probably due to slavery days > when they took the name of their masters. That is much more information > than you would get from the MtDNA tests. > Helen > > -----Original Message----- > From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf > Of Mike Hill > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:57 PM > To: hill@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HILL] dna testing TALKED TO DEATH > > I would hate to see all the descriptions about DNA testing being a > "fraud" or being of minimal value without seeing rebuttals coming from > members like myself for whom it's been immensely helpful. My paper trail > had lead to the proverbial brick wall until I participated in the Hill > DNA Project. My DNA results linked me to a Hill line that I had no idea > that I had connections previously. As a result, I have been able to > continue my paper trail research and I've uncovered information that has > helped me discover a few more generations of my Hill line. > > I hope that none of the negative posts regarding DNA testing will > prevent anyone considering joining a project from doing so. Don't just > blindly believe anything you read on this list. Let Google be your > friend and do some research on your own to decide if you want to > participate in a DNA project. > > I hope the Hill DNA Project will continue to grow and benefit Hill > researchers for years to come. > > Mike Hill > > Kaye Sass wrote: > > >I don't think the site is to agree or disagree on DNA. The purpose of > the > >site is the coming together of Hill families and linking them. Let's get > >back to what the site is meant to be and leave the DNA to those who are > the > >experts. > > > >Kaye > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf > >Of Rhonda Chesnutt > >Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 6:50 PM > >To: hill@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [HILL] dna testing TALKED TO DEATH > > > >Can we agree that there will simply be differences of opinion on the DNA > >test and probably no one will change their opinion based on an e-mail??? > > > >Can we get back to simply finding our Hill and helping each other? > > > >Rhonda > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > >the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

The mtDNA testing is much more generic because of the lack of surnames being passed on to the next generation. However, yDNA is very useful becuase it is much easier to track by surname. At some point, as researchers learn more and develop new methods (which the Sorenson project is all about, http://www.smgf.org, and happens to be free), testing of all kinds (mtDNA, yDNA and autosomal) will be useful to tracking genealogy. Please note that participating in DNA project doesn't have to cost money (Sorenson), just some cheek cells. Aaron From: "helen sabin" <hsabin@cox.net> Reply-To: hill@rootsweb.com To: <hill@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [HILL] DNA Testing A Fraud Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 12:12:25 -0700 I did the MtDNA (women) tests and the test results came back as a haplo group that came from England. These results go so far back as to be worthless for genealogy research. Thus - my time and money are wasted. I am complaining as the advertising leads one to believe that more specific results can be shown. In my case - this goes so far back as to be worthless and I encourage others NOT to waste their money. There have been some who are happy but a majority are not according to what I have seen on the different genealogy sites. I also had my 90 year old uncle do the males DNA and hopefully it will be more specific. If not - a waste of time and money! HS

I would hate to see all the descriptions about DNA testing being a "fraud" or being of minimal value without seeing rebuttals coming from members like myself for whom it's been immensely helpful. My paper trail had lead to the proverbial brick wall until I participated in the Hill DNA Project. My DNA results linked me to a Hill line that I had no idea that I had connections previously. As a result, I have been able to continue my paper trail research and I've uncovered information that has helped me discover a few more generations of my Hill line. I hope that none of the negative posts regarding DNA testing will prevent anyone considering joining a project from doing so. Don't just blindly believe anything you read on this list. Let Google be your friend and do some research on your own to decide if you want to participate in a DNA project. I hope the Hill DNA Project will continue to grow and benefit Hill researchers for years to come. Mike Hill Kaye Sass wrote: >I don't think the site is to agree or disagree on DNA. The purpose of the >site is the coming together of Hill families and linking them. Let's get >back to what the site is meant to be and leave the DNA to those who are the >experts. > >Kaye > >-----Original Message----- >From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf >Of Rhonda Chesnutt >Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 6:50 PM >To: hill@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [HILL] dna testing TALKED TO DEATH > >Can we agree that there will simply be differences of opinion on the DNA >test and probably no one will change their opinion based on an e-mail??? > >Can we get back to simply finding our Hill and helping each other? > >Rhonda > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message > > >

My husband did the test and he matched a gentleman who had come to the same conclusion as I did. We could not find any proof of parents except this elderly couple would come 40 miles in the 1700's to be the sponsors for the baptisms for this couples children so we knew they had to be related, but now we know we are on the right track as they matched on a 37 marker test. Now my husband's family is really interested in their family history, enough to travel 1500 miles to attend a family reunion in 2004. My brother matched 2 men who were from Muhlenberg Co., KY, and our ancestor was born in Muhlenberg Co. but had moved to Livingston Co. but I had figured his father and the 4 older men of Muhlenberg Co. were probably brothers and now we know we are also on the right track there. I knew one further generation they did not have from the 1852 Livingston Co. Clerk's ledger book. We are now looking for descendants of the other two so they can also test. These tests have brought a lot of people all interested in genealogy together where we might not have ever been if it was not for the testing. I ordered my own mtDNA test last night. I am so glad we all have freedom of speech and a keyboard with a delete button. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: PRSmith <prsmith@houston.rr.com> > Your opinions are noted and you are certainly entitled to > them. You also have the right not to participate in these > studies. Your opinions are not shared by those who > participate in these studies, however, and they have a right > to express their opinions and to discuss them with others. > Please feel free to delete any messages that offend you -- > they are, after all, innocuous compared to those advertising > many other products and services we encounter on a regular > basis and they are on-topic since the posters are searching > for their Hill ancestry. > > Take Care -- Paul > CAPEHART Rootsweb Listowner > Researching: > VA - > WHITE,LIPSCOMB,HILL,JOHNSON,SAUNDERS,TALBOT,TATE,EVANS > NC - SMITH, BOSWELL, RHODES, > MORRIS,.CAPEHART,MARSHE, BRITT,SHAW > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prsmith/ > > > > On Thursday, September 07, 2006 12:56 PM, pop.west.cox.net > [SMTP:hsabin@cox.net] wrote: > > The span of years that are transmitted to testees is > > worthless for genealogy > > research. I can go back four generations from me and to say > > my ancestors > > are from England tells me you have gone back so far as to > > make any research > > worthless. Then to say you cannot tell me specifically > which > > country of > > origin my ancestors came from - is ridiculous and makes any > > research > > worthless. Then to say, I probably shouldn't contact the > ONE > > person that > > has my same haplo group makes these tests worthless! All > > together - I still > > think its a FRAUD!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "PRSmith" <prsmith@houston.rr.com> > > To: <hill@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 10:35 AM > > Subject: Re: [HILL] $95 DNA SPECIAL! > > > > > > > Please explain why you think DNA testing is a waste of > > > time > > > and money. Thousands of people are participating in these > > > studies and many have found connections World wide. It is > > > a > > > viable and important tool for genealogical research. > > > > > > Also please note that you are a member of a List. As > such, > > > > > > you do not get to pick and choose which messages are > > > delivered > > > to you. > > > > > > Take Care -- Paul > > > CAPEHART Rootsweb Listowner > > > Researching: > > > VA - > > > WHITE,LIPSCOMB,HILL,JOHNSON,SAUNDERS,TALBOT,TATE,EVANS > > > NC - SMITH, BOSWELL, RHODES, > > > MORRIS,.CAPEHART,MARSHE, BRITT,SHAW > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prsmith/ > > > > > > On Thursday, September 07, 2006 11:27 AM, helen sabin > > > [SMTP:hsabin@cox.net] wrote: > > >> These are a waste of time and money!! DO NOT send me any > > >> more announcements > > >> of this nature - you are so full of baloney! > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill- > > >> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > > >> Of FS Hill > > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:56 PM > > >> To: HILL-L@rootsweb.com > > >> Subject: [HILL] $95 DNA SPECIAL! > > >> > > >> As of August 23, 2006 Sorenson Molecular Genealogy > > > Foundation > > >> is offering a > > >> coupon for Relative Genetics (a commercial DNA test lab) > > >> for > > >> all > > >> participants. With the coupon you can purchase a 26 > marker > > >> Y > > >> chromosome > > >> test, or a mitochondrial DNA test for $95 (typically > $180- > > >> > > >> $220, depending on > > >> the lab). Not sure how long this offer is valid. If you > > > have > > >> questions or > > >> wish to request the discount coupon, contact > > >> > > >> Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation > > >> 2480 S Main Ste 200 > > >> Salt Lake City, Utah 84115 > > >> Phone: 1-800-344-7643 > > >> Email: info@smgf.org > > >> > > >> Web Site: www.smgf.org > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without > > >> the quotes in > > >> the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> HILL- > > >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > >> the > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > >> Version: 7.0.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.1/440 - Release > > >> Date: 9/6/2006 > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.0.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.1/440 - Release > > Date: 9/6/2006 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message

Now Janet has hit the proverbial nail on the head. In my opinion, one cannot go into a DNA test without first having done the research. The DNA results back up these primary sources which we have gathered. In my husband's Hill family, we all had put together credible sources and had made some good assumptions about the ancestry. The DNA validated the research we had done. In my own Thornton family, the DNA testing of one of my ancestor's brother's descendants proved the paternity of those two men. And, I am happy to say that one lineage group known to be picky about proofs has accepted those test results. I wish all of you participants the same exciting experience with DNA testing that we have had. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ljcrain Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 6:11 PM To: hill@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HILL] DNA Research If I may offer a couple of comments. My haplogroup is U5b, with markers only found among the Saamis and their Finnish descendants. I would have had no idea, although my mtDNA grandmother is traced back 8 generations to North Carolina. So you may find a very specific location. And again, you may not. Just this week, a woman's mtDNA test matched her with a distant cousin known to be descended from my husband's great grandmother. So now this woman knows her genealogy was correct and this took her back 4 more generations. I am sure new developments will bring even better results in the future, but for now, you can learn a lot if you have specific goals and have done your homework. Janet Crain http://www.genpage.com/genealogyDNA.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "helen sabin" <hsabin@cox.net> To: <hill@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [HILL] DNA Research > LET'S TALK HAPLO GROUP SHALL WE? The understanding is quite clear - the > FEMALE tests are vague - way too broad for genealogy purposes and > worthless > to anyone who wants more SPECIFIC information. I already knew that my > ancestors probably came from ENGLAND - or Germany - or Italy - or Belgium > where I found them - it doesn't take a molecular biologist to know that > most > white skinned folks are from that area. Nor does it take a molecular > biologist to know that most dark skinned folks are from Africa and the > Middle East. Now tell me what good that knowledge does for you - huh? IT > doesn't help find that lost great grandfather or mother - all it does is > tell you vague information! Research is not based on vagueness or a broad > haplo group! > HS > > -----Original Message----- > From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf > Of Christine Czarnecki > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 1:15 PM > To: hill@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HILL] DNA Research > > The mitochondrial DNA test is not too vague, it just > tests for something quite different. > > I was trained as a molecular biologist and I can > assure you that it's the understanding and > interpretation of the test that is important and the > key to gaining insight. > > The Y chromosome study looks to see if one man's Y > chromosome is the same (a match) with another man's. > A man will have the same Y chromosome as his father, > his father's father, his father's father's father, all > the way back along the male line. It will be the same > as his father's, regardless of what surname he or his > father had. It is the real McCoy, the actual paternal > parentage, regardless of what marriage records or > birth certificates say. > > I was so thrilled to see the $99 sale price that I > immediately forwarded it to a man who keeps the > database for the surname Motley. There is no DNA > study yet on this surname, and there were two Motley > men, John and Joseph, who immigrated in the 1600's and > left descendants. Family lore says they were > brothers, but they immigrated to different states, so > how will we know? By having Motley surnamed men from > both lines do the Y chromosome characterization and > then compare. Are they the same or very close? Then > they look to be closely related or descended from the > same male Motley back in England. Are they completely > different? Then they are not related. There is a lot > of information in that alone. > > In regards to the "female DNA," the mitochondrial DNA, > it can indeed, be very useful. Mitochndrial DNA is > passed to us from our mothers, in the cytoplasm of the > egg. The sperm doesn't pass mitochondrial DNA along > to the child. So everyone, man or woman, has the same > mitochondrial DNA as his or her mother. It tracks > along the maternal line forever. > > The information about ancestral maternal origins is > useful, as is the tracing of paternal origins from the > Y chromosome. But using mtDNA can be relevant to > recent genealogy as well. > > Here's an example: I have an ancestor, William > Norman, who was a Revolutionary patriot and who > married several times, with children by several > different wives. There are not any marriage records > still extant, so with some there is confusion as to > who was the mother. > > It so happens that one of William Norman's daughters > is my mother's mother' mother's, etc., back 7 times, > all on the maternal line. My mitochondrial DNA is > exactly the same as the wife of William Norman who is > the mother of his daughter Elizabeth, this Mrs. Norman > being my fifth great grandmother. > > There are other female-only descendants of other > daughters of William Norman, some of whose maternal > parentage is known for certain. Through the Norman > Family Association, I am in the process of trying to > locate them to do mtDNA tests. If we match, we are > from the same wife of William Norman. If we don't > it's from a different wife. > > Can you tell me how else we can determine this when > there are no remaining written records? This is as > relevant as finding written primary sources - maybe > more so. > > Thank you for letting us know about the discounted > price for Y testing. > > --- "pop.west.cox.net" <hsabin@cox.net> wrote: > >> AGAIN - the male tests may be useful but the female >> is TOO VAGUE and >> generalized for any worth in genealogy. Don't >> believe me - send the testers >> YOUR female DNA and see what I mean. >> You learn best from life's lessons. Go ahead, I >> dare you to waste your time >> and money! >> HS >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brenda Stewart-Reeder" <kyseeker@comcast.net> >> To: <hill@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 11:39 AM >> Subject: Re: [HILL] DNA Research >> >> >> > My husband did the test and he matched a gentleman >> who had come to the >> > same conclusion as I did. We could not find any >> proof of parents except >> > this elderly couple would come 40 miles in the >> 1700's to be the sponsors >> > for the baptisms for this couples children so we >> knew they had to be >> > related, but now we know we are on the right track >> as they matched on a 37 >> > marker test. Now my husband's family is really >> interested in their family >> > history, enough to travel 1500 miles to attend a >> family reunion in 2004. >> > >> > My brother matched 2 men who were from Muhlenberg >> Co., KY, and our >> > ancestor was born in Muhlenberg Co. but had moved >> to Livingston Co. but I >> > had figured his father and the 4 older men of >> Muhlenberg Co. were probably >> > brothers and now we know we are also on the right >> track there. I knew one >> > further generation they did not have from the 1852 >> Livingston Co. Clerk's >> > ledger book. We are now looking for descendants >> of the other two so they >> > can also test. >> > >> > These tests have brought a lot of people all >> interested in genealogy >> > together where we might not have ever been if it >> was not for the testing. >> > I ordered my own mtDNA test last night. >> > >> > I am so glad we all have freedom of speech and a >> keyboard with a delete >> > button. >> > >> > -------------- Original message >> ---------------------- >> > From: PRSmith <prsmith@houston.rr.com> >> >> Your opinions are noted and you are certainly >> entitled to >> >> them. You also have the right not to participate >> in these >> >> studies. Your opinions are not shared by those >> who >> >> participate in these studies, however, and they >> have a right >> >> to express their opinions and to discuss them >> with others. >> >> Please feel free to delete any messages that >> offend you -- >> >> they are, after all, innocuous compared to those >> advertising >> >> many other products and services we encounter on >> a regular >> >> basis and they are on-topic since the posters are >> searching >> >> for their Hill ancestry. >> >> >> >> Take Care -- Paul >> >> CAPEHART Rootsweb Listowner >> >> Researching: >> >> VA - >> >> >> > WHITE,LIPSCOMB,HILL,JOHNSON,SAUNDERS,TALBOT,TATE,EVANS >> >> NC - SMITH, BOSWELL, RHODES, >> >> MORRIS,.CAPEHART,MARSHE, BRITT,SHAW >> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prsmith/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thursday, September 07, 2006 12:56 PM, >> pop.west.cox.net >> >> [SMTP:hsabin@cox.net] wrote: >> >> > The span of years that are transmitted to >> testees is >> >> > worthless for genealogy >> >> > research. I can go back four generations from >> me and to say >> >> > my ancestors >> >> > are from England tells me you have gone back so >> far as to >> >> > make any research >> >> > worthless. Then to say you cannot tell me >> specifically >> >> which >> >> > country of >> >> > origin my ancestors came from - is ridiculous >> and makes any >> >> > research >> >> > worthless. Then to say, I probably shouldn't >> contact the >> >> ONE >> >> > person that >> >> > has my same haplo group makes these tests >> worthless! All >> >> > together - I still >> >> > think its a FRAUD!! >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "PRSmith" <prsmith@houston.rr.com> >> >> > To: <hill@rootsweb.com> >> >> > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 10:35 AM >> >> > Subject: Re: [HILL] $95 DNA SPECIAL! >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Please explain why you think DNA testing is a >> waste of >> >> > > time >> >> > > and money. Thousands of people are >> participating in these >> >> > > studies and many have found connections World >> wide. It is >> >> > > a >> >> > > viable and important tool for genealogical >> research. >> >> > > >> >> > > Also please note that you are a member of a >> List. As >> >> such, >> >> > > >> >> > > you do not get to pick and choose which >> messages are >> >> > > delivered >> >> > > to you. >> >> > > >> >> > > Take Care -- Paul >> >> > > CAPEHART Rootsweb Listowner >> >> > > Researching: >> >> > > VA - >> >> > > >> > WHITE,LIPSCOMB,HILL,JOHNSON,SAUNDERS,TALBOT,TATE,EVANS >> >> > > NC - SMITH, BOSWELL, RHODES, >> >> > > MORRIS,.CAPEHART,MARSHE, BRITT,SHAW >> >> > > >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prsmith/ >> >> > > >> >> > > On Thursday, September 07, 2006 11:27 AM, >> helen sabin >> >> > > [SMTP:hsabin@cox.net] wrote: >> >> > >> These are a waste of time and money!! DO >> NOT send me any >> >> > >> more announcements >> >> > >> of this nature - you are so full of baloney! >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> > >> From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:hill- >> >> > >> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf >> >> > >> Of FS Hill >> >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:56 PM >> >> > >> To: HILL-L@rootsweb.com >> >> > >> Subject: [HILL] $95 DNA SPECIAL! >> >> > >> >> >> > >> As of August 23, 2006 Sorenson Molecular >> Genealogy >> >> > > Foundation >> >> > >> is offering a >> >> > >> coupon for Relative Genetics (a commercial >> DNA test lab) >> >> > >> for >> >> > >> all >> >> > >> participants. With the coupon you can >> purchase a 26 >> >> marker >> >> > >> Y >> >> > >> chromosome >> >> > >> test, or a mitochondrial DNA test for $95 >> (typically >> >> $180- >> >> > >> >> >> > >> $220, depending on >> >> > >> the lab). Not sure how long this offer is >> valid. If you >> >> > > have >> >> > >> questions or >> >> > >> wish to request the discount coupon, contact >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation >> >> > >> 2480 S Main Ste 200 >> >> > >> Salt Lake City, Utah 84115 >> >> > >> Phone: 1-800-344-7643 >> > === message truncated === > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.1/440 - Release Date: 9/6/2006 > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you so much.I was just about to unsubscribe. Byron Hill <gbh333@gmail.com> wrote: Todd Roots has been unsubscribed and blocked from future postings. Byron Hill HILL DISCUSSION LIST ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Byron I am please to see the DNA tests are finally being used for a great purpose of linking lines in genealogy. Kaye -----Original Message----- From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Byron Hill Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:18 PM To: hill@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HILL] DNA Testing A Fraud Anyone who has any doubts about the validity or the great success of DNA testing can visit the HILL DNA PROJECT and see what DNA testing has acomplished. We have almost 250 participants in the HILL DNA PROJECT, and most of them have proven or disproven large portions of their research that otherwise would have taken decades to confirm. Without DNA testing most of us in the project would still be where we were several years ago, searching for some huge missing piece to the puzzle that would have probably remained a mystery forever. Byron Hill HILL DNA PROJECT On 9/7/06, PsychSW@aol.com <PsychSW@aol.com> wrote: > > > In a message dated 9/7/2006 2:29:55 PM Central Standard Time, > hsabin@cox.net > writes: > > The male is the ONLY one of use for genealogy. > > > > Even I, who doesn't really understand all the ins and outs of the testing, > haplos, etc., understand and have understood since the get-go that the > male DNA > testing is the best method. I have a male cousin who is a 6th generation > direct line Male of our Alabama Wyatt line and we have hopes for making > some > connections as this is a well-researched line and much DNA is going on. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.1/440 - Release Date: 9/6/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.1/440 - Release Date: 9/6/2006

If I may offer a couple of comments. My haplogroup is U5b, with markers only found among the Saamis and their Finnish descendants. I would have had no idea, although my mtDNA grandmother is traced back 8 generations to North Carolina. So you may find a very specific location. And again, you may not. Just this week, a woman's mtDNA test matched her with a distant cousin known to be descended from my husband's great grandmother. So now this woman knows her genealogy was correct and this took her back 4 more generations. I am sure new developments will bring even better results in the future, but for now, you can learn a lot if you have specific goals and have done your homework. Janet Crain http://www.genpage.com/genealogyDNA.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "helen sabin" <hsabin@cox.net> To: <hill@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [HILL] DNA Research > LET'S TALK HAPLO GROUP SHALL WE? The understanding is quite clear - the > FEMALE tests are vague - way too broad for genealogy purposes and > worthless > to anyone who wants more SPECIFIC information. I already knew that my > ancestors probably came from ENGLAND - or Germany - or Italy - or Belgium > where I found them - it doesn't take a molecular biologist to know that > most > white skinned folks are from that area. Nor does it take a molecular > biologist to know that most dark skinned folks are from Africa and the > Middle East. Now tell me what good that knowledge does for you - huh? IT > doesn't help find that lost great grandfather or mother - all it does is > tell you vague information! Research is not based on vagueness or a broad > haplo group! > HS > > -----Original Message----- > From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf > Of Christine Czarnecki > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 1:15 PM > To: hill@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HILL] DNA Research > > The mitochondrial DNA test is not too vague, it just > tests for something quite different. > > I was trained as a molecular biologist and I can > assure you that it's the understanding and > interpretation of the test that is important and the > key to gaining insight. > > The Y chromosome study looks to see if one man's Y > chromosome is the same (a match) with another man's. > A man will have the same Y chromosome as his father, > his father's father, his father's father's father, all > the way back along the male line. It will be the same > as his father's, regardless of what surname he or his > father had. It is the real McCoy, the actual paternal > parentage, regardless of what marriage records or > birth certificates say. > > I was so thrilled to see the $99 sale price that I > immediately forwarded it to a man who keeps the > database for the surname Motley. There is no DNA > study yet on this surname, and there were two Motley > men, John and Joseph, who immigrated in the 1600's and > left descendants. Family lore says they were > brothers, but they immigrated to different states, so > how will we know? By having Motley surnamed men from > both lines do the Y chromosome characterization and > then compare. Are they the same or very close? Then > they look to be closely related or descended from the > same male Motley back in England. Are they completely > different? Then they are not related. There is a lot > of information in that alone. > > In regards to the "female DNA," the mitochondrial DNA, > it can indeed, be very useful. Mitochndrial DNA is > passed to us from our mothers, in the cytoplasm of the > egg. The sperm doesn't pass mitochondrial DNA along > to the child. So everyone, man or woman, has the same > mitochondrial DNA as his or her mother. It tracks > along the maternal line forever. > > The information about ancestral maternal origins is > useful, as is the tracing of paternal origins from the > Y chromosome. But using mtDNA can be relevant to > recent genealogy as well. > > Here's an example: I have an ancestor, William > Norman, who was a Revolutionary patriot and who > married several times, with children by several > different wives. There are not any marriage records > still extant, so with some there is confusion as to > who was the mother. > > It so happens that one of William Norman's daughters > is my mother's mother' mother's, etc., back 7 times, > all on the maternal line. My mitochondrial DNA is > exactly the same as the wife of William Norman who is > the mother of his daughter Elizabeth, this Mrs. Norman > being my fifth great grandmother. > > There are other female-only descendants of other > daughters of William Norman, some of whose maternal > parentage is known for certain. Through the Norman > Family Association, I am in the process of trying to > locate them to do mtDNA tests. If we match, we are > from the same wife of William Norman. If we don't > it's from a different wife. > > Can you tell me how else we can determine this when > there are no remaining written records? This is as > relevant as finding written primary sources - maybe > more so. > > Thank you for letting us know about the discounted > price for Y testing. > > --- "pop.west.cox.net" <hsabin@cox.net> wrote: > >> AGAIN - the male tests may be useful but the female >> is TOO VAGUE and >> generalized for any worth in genealogy. Don't >> believe me - send the testers >> YOUR female DNA and see what I mean. >> You learn best from life's lessons. Go ahead, I >> dare you to waste your time >> and money! >> HS >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brenda Stewart-Reeder" <kyseeker@comcast.net> >> To: <hill@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 11:39 AM >> Subject: Re: [HILL] DNA Research >> >> >> > My husband did the test and he matched a gentleman >> who had come to the >> > same conclusion as I did. We could not find any >> proof of parents except >> > this elderly couple would come 40 miles in the >> 1700's to be the sponsors >> > for the baptisms for this couples children so we >> knew they had to be >> > related, but now we know we are on the right track >> as they matched on a 37 >> > marker test. Now my husband's family is really >> interested in their family >> > history, enough to travel 1500 miles to attend a >> family reunion in 2004. >> > >> > My brother matched 2 men who were from Muhlenberg >> Co., KY, and our >> > ancestor was born in Muhlenberg Co. but had moved >> to Livingston Co. but I >> > had figured his father and the 4 older men of >> Muhlenberg Co. were probably >> > brothers and now we know we are also on the right >> track there. I knew one >> > further generation they did not have from the 1852 >> Livingston Co. Clerk's >> > ledger book. We are now looking for descendants >> of the other two so they >> > can also test. >> > >> > These tests have brought a lot of people all >> interested in genealogy >> > together where we might not have ever been if it >> was not for the testing. >> > I ordered my own mtDNA test last night. >> > >> > I am so glad we all have freedom of speech and a >> keyboard with a delete >> > button. >> > >> > -------------- Original message >> ---------------------- >> > From: PRSmith <prsmith@houston.rr.com> >> >> Your opinions are noted and you are certainly >> entitled to >> >> them. You also have the right not to participate >> in these >> >> studies. Your opinions are not shared by those >> who >> >> participate in these studies, however, and they >> have a right >> >> to express their opinions and to discuss them >> with others. >> >> Please feel free to delete any messages that >> offend you -- >> >> they are, after all, innocuous compared to those >> advertising >> >> many other products and services we encounter on >> a regular >> >> basis and they are on-topic since the posters are >> searching >> >> for their Hill ancestry. >> >> >> >> Take Care -- Paul >> >> CAPEHART Rootsweb Listowner >> >> Researching: >> >> VA - >> >> >> > WHITE,LIPSCOMB,HILL,JOHNSON,SAUNDERS,TALBOT,TATE,EVANS >> >> NC - SMITH, BOSWELL, RHODES, >> >> MORRIS,.CAPEHART,MARSHE, BRITT,SHAW >> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prsmith/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thursday, September 07, 2006 12:56 PM, >> pop.west.cox.net >> >> [SMTP:hsabin@cox.net] wrote: >> >> > The span of years that are transmitted to >> testees is >> >> > worthless for genealogy >> >> > research. I can go back four generations from >> me and to say >> >> > my ancestors >> >> > are from England tells me you have gone back so >> far as to >> >> > make any research >> >> > worthless. Then to say you cannot tell me >> specifically >> >> which >> >> > country of >> >> > origin my ancestors came from - is ridiculous >> and makes any >> >> > research >> >> > worthless. Then to say, I probably shouldn't >> contact the >> >> ONE >> >> > person that >> >> > has my same haplo group makes these tests >> worthless! All >> >> > together - I still >> >> > think its a FRAUD!! >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "PRSmith" <prsmith@houston.rr.com> >> >> > To: <hill@rootsweb.com> >> >> > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 10:35 AM >> >> > Subject: Re: [HILL] $95 DNA SPECIAL! >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Please explain why you think DNA testing is a >> waste of >> >> > > time >> >> > > and money. Thousands of people are >> participating in these >> >> > > studies and many have found connections World >> wide. It is >> >> > > a >> >> > > viable and important tool for genealogical >> research. >> >> > > >> >> > > Also please note that you are a member of a >> List. As >> >> such, >> >> > > >> >> > > you do not get to pick and choose which >> messages are >> >> > > delivered >> >> > > to you. >> >> > > >> >> > > Take Care -- Paul >> >> > > CAPEHART Rootsweb Listowner >> >> > > Researching: >> >> > > VA - >> >> > > >> > WHITE,LIPSCOMB,HILL,JOHNSON,SAUNDERS,TALBOT,TATE,EVANS >> >> > > NC - SMITH, BOSWELL, RHODES, >> >> > > MORRIS,.CAPEHART,MARSHE, BRITT,SHAW >> >> > > >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prsmith/ >> >> > > >> >> > > On Thursday, September 07, 2006 11:27 AM, >> helen sabin >> >> > > [SMTP:hsabin@cox.net] wrote: >> >> > >> These are a waste of time and money!! DO >> NOT send me any >> >> > >> more announcements >> >> > >> of this nature - you are so full of baloney! >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> > >> From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:hill- >> >> > >> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf >> >> > >> Of FS Hill >> >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:56 PM >> >> > >> To: HILL-L@rootsweb.com >> >> > >> Subject: [HILL] $95 DNA SPECIAL! >> >> > >> >> >> > >> As of August 23, 2006 Sorenson Molecular >> Genealogy >> >> > > Foundation >> >> > >> is offering a >> >> > >> coupon for Relative Genetics (a commercial >> DNA test lab) >> >> > >> for >> >> > >> all >> >> > >> participants. With the coupon you can >> purchase a 26 >> >> marker >> >> > >> Y >> >> > >> chromosome >> >> > >> test, or a mitochondrial DNA test for $95 >> (typically >> >> $180- >> >> > >> >> >> > >> $220, depending on >> >> > >> the lab). Not sure how long this offer is >> valid. If you >> >> > > have >> >> > >> questions or >> >> > >> wish to request the discount coupon, contact >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation >> >> > >> 2480 S Main Ste 200 >> >> > >> Salt Lake City, Utah 84115 >> >> > >> Phone: 1-800-344-7643 >> > === message truncated === > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.1/440 - Release Date: 9/6/2006 > >

Thank you for bringing up Henry Louis Gates' discoveries about his ancestry. He did a remarkable 4 hour series for PBS last February called African American Lives. Using professional genealogists and the newest DNA studies on Y chromosome, mitochondrial DNA and DNA admixture studies (looks at the percentages of DNA contributed by different racial and ethnic groups), Gates did comprehensive studies on nine famous and accomplished African Americans, taking their genealogy back as far as they could. It was one of the best series I have ever seen, especially because of the quality of the genealogy research. I recommend renting the DVD's from the library. Here is the web link. They discuss each of the tests and what they show. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aalives/about.html --- ljcrain <ljcrain@pgrb.com> wrote: > > It is interesting to note that some white skinned > people carry African > haplogroups and vice versa. > > > Prof. Henry Louis (Skip) Gates Jr., head of Harvard > University's > African-American Studies department. Gates always > knew he wasn't 100 percent > African-American. According to family legend, > Gates's only white ancestor > was a slave owner named Samuel Brady, who had sex > with Gates's > great-great-grandmother Jane on his farm in Maryland > in the 1800s. But > recent DNA analyses turned Gates's world upside > down. There was no trace of > Brady on Gates's genome. Further testing revealed > that Gates, in fact, > carries as much Western European blood as he does > African-and that one of > his white ancestors was probably an Irish servant > who met Gates's sixth or > seventh great-grandfather sometime before 1700. "I'm > thinking I'm a Brady > and maybe I'm from Nigeria, and here I am descended > from some white woman," > says Gates. "It's incredible." > > Gates has both a European Y HG and mt HG. > > Cont. here: > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11080815/site/newsweek/ > > Janet Crain > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "helen sabin" <hsabin@cox.net> > To: <hill@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: [HILL] dna testing TALKED TO DEATH > > > > DID you do the Male DNA or the MtDNA Mike? Are you > comparing apples or > > oranges or male to female here? If the male, > they are more relevant -in > > fact, much more relevant than female Mt DNA > testing which is worthless for > > genealogy research unless one is too stupid to > figure out that light > > skinned > > peoples came from Europe and eventually from > England. I can tell you FREE > > Of CHARGE that due to your last name, your > ancestors probably came from > > England unless you are Black and then they > probably came from Africa! I > > can > > also tell you that the name HILL on blacks is > probably due to slavery days > > when they took the name of their masters. That is > much more information > > than you would get from the MtDNA tests. > > Helen > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

DNA research is not a fraud, no matter what 'your opinion' is. I have been connected with at least two lines (cousins) I never knew about. Especially for those at a significant roadblock, it can be helpful. And I enjoy the science behind it. Just because you don't fully understand how something works doesn't mean you should poo-poo it so harshly. Aaron PS If DNA testing is such a fraud, why is paternity testing so prevalent? From: "pop.west.cox.net" <hsabin@cox.net> Reply-To: hill@rootsweb.com To: <prsmith@houston.rr.com>, <hill@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [HILL] $95 DNA SPECIAL! Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 10:55:39 -0700 The span of years that are transmitted to testees is worthless for genealogy research. I can go back four generations from me and to say my ancestors are from England tells me you have gone back so far as to make any research worthless. Then to say you cannot tell me specifically which country of origin my ancestors came from - is ridiculous and makes any research worthless. Then to say, I probably shouldn't contact the ONE person that has my same haplo group makes these tests worthless! All together - I still think its a FRAUD!!

I thought that's what we were doing when someone tried to stop us? Take Care -- Paul CAPEHART Rootsweb Listowner Researching: VA - WHITE,LIPSCOMB,HILL,JOHNSON,SAUNDERS,TALBOT,TATE,EVANS NC - SMITH, BOSWELL, RHODES, MORRIS,.CAPEHART,MARSHE, BRITT,SHAW http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prsmith/ On Thursday, September 07, 2006 5:50 PM, Rhonda Chesnutt [SMTP:Chesnutt_tree@msn.com] wrote: > Can we agree that there will simply be differences of opinion > on the DNA > test and probably no one will change their opinion based on > an e-mail??? > > Can we get back to simply finding our Hill and helping each > other? > > Rhonda > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.0.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.1/440 - Release > Date: 9/6/2006 >

Evyonne, this is an excellent and reasoned post. Thank you for contributing it. There is no substitute for primary documentation. A tree found on the internet or on ancestry.com MAY provide guideposts, but could be utterly filled with garbage. I referred in a previous post to my NORMAN family. I am also a CARTER descendant, from Robert "King" Carter of Virginia, a famous and wealth man who left many children and even more descendants. A few years ago, a man with a Norman surname contacted the Carter group, because he had done his Y chromosome analysis only to find him matching with the Carters and not with the Normans. We still don't exactly know why, but further research shows "Norman's Ford" on the Rappahannock River next to King Carter's land. Which Carter male fathered Mr. Norman's male ancestor? We don't know yet, and may never know, but the DNA tells a different story than the surname and the family Bible. --- Evyonne Eddins <evonandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Byron: > > I see your Hill group is having a great discussion > on DNA - pro as well as con > > Being a "Hill" listmember (still can't find my > Robert J. Hill), but eventually success will pop up. > > > As to DNA, I am a co-coordinator of a Jackson DNA > Group Project - we do not have as many members as > your Hill Group (97 ascompared to your 250 (more > Hills in the ole US than Jacksons); however we have > a success rate of matching members at 52% with > subgroups ranging in size from 2 to 7 per subgroup. > With not only with new members joining every week, > but also those new members have a good chance of > finding a match. The above shown percentage relates > to a combination of Y-DNA as well as mtDNA (male as > well as female matches) > > I invite you to visit our website at > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Jackson - Since > I maintain the website, I can relate to you first > hand that members keep their fingers crossed for a > match - Just had another day before yesterday - she > was elated! > > DNA vs. Research - Byron was correct, DNA confirms > your research - Within our project, it is suggested > that members submit their ancestral lineage from > their most recent deceased ancestor to their > earliest ancestor - some do, some do not, and some > will email me that to date their do not know > anything regarding their GRANDFATHER, and hope they > can find a match. Others will email me that they > were on tract to their lineage, until they reached > the 1700s and what they were GIVEN was all wrong. > However, with groups helping each other, many now > have been corrected - giving documental proof. > > The key to good Research is an EXCELLENT PAPER TRAIL > on each generation (preferably including all > siblings within each generation) - DNA & GOOD > RESEARCH go hand in hand, each coming to the same > conclusion just using a different pathway. > Many times I have heard the same argument that DNA > does not prove a thing (from those who have not > found a match) - - It most certains proves or > disproves your research. Many will argue for their > research...Do they: Have documental records of > birth, death, dates, places, each decade of census > records, chancery court records, Bible Records, > Native American application/Card Records, burial > records, military records, etc. etc. - - or was the > information picked up online or from someone else > who didn't have the documents on hand and didn't > furnish same or someone "told them so" - > > Is DNA expensive?- It sure isn't as expensive as > good documental research. You want (or should > appreciate) primary documentation > (DNA) to support ;your Good Research - you deserve > it - you have worked hard to obtain those documents > (If you haven't spent years doing your family's > history, DNA won't solve a thing - you may match, > but your match may be a brother to one of your > ancestors that your match did not have, but your DNA > will still match - the lineage is there, one just > has to research it out. > > Another thing about DNA - You may NOT MATCH YOUR OWN > SURNAME, but an entirely different surname - This is > something that you may not realize during your > research - Byron and I worked together to help one > of my Jacksons who MATCHED a Hill surname in > Tennessee - MANY time I have seen this happen within > our website - as you glean through, you find it true > - Yes, more research is needed - it could be from > adoption, or parents were killed and the youth was > raised by the mother's sister who married and had an > entirely different surname as ASSUMED that new > surname - or YOUR MALE SURNAME was a frequent > visitor making weekly trips across town or whatever > (Have one within our group who did that - he did not > have any children by his wife - but had eleven > children by his "consort" - the children were raised > using HER SURNAME. All documented with very precise > Bible and Court House Records in which he provided > funds for each child! That specific member had a > blast tracking it down - he > knew there were children (handed down by the elder > family members - even knew their first names), but > not one showed up on any census records. > > DNA and Genealogy together is one of the most > fascinating, intriguing adventure you'll ever > encounter. > > To each of you - I say good luck in your research & > tie it in a nice big bow with DNA > > Evyonne Andrews Eddins > evonandrews@sbcglobal.net > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

LINKING DNA to families is what this is all about. That is why I had the DNA tests done -to see which families we came from and when the results came back they were to vague in nature to get anything from them. Hs -----Original Message----- From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kaye Sass Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:39 PM To: hill@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HILL] dna testing TALKED TO DEATH I don't think the site is to agree or disagree on DNA. The purpose of the site is the coming together of Hill families and linking them. Let's get back to what the site is meant to be and leave the DNA to those who are the experts. Kaye -----Original Message----- From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Chesnutt Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 6:50 PM To: hill@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HILL] dna testing TALKED TO DEATH Can we agree that there will simply be differences of opinion on the DNA test and probably no one will change their opinion based on an e-mail??? Can we get back to simply finding our Hill and helping each other? Rhonda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.1/440 - Release Date: 9/6/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.1/440 - Release Date: 9/6/2006 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Scotty: Because they fail to tell you it is only good for through your father, your father's father's, Your father's father's father's, and so on and so... It doesn't work on your Mother's side nor your Father's Mother's side. If they did most people wouldn't spring for the test. If you took the test it would only be good for your HARTIGAN line through your father, through his father.......Etc. JaY > I support the DNA testing if that can be a useful tool for research, though I > asked Aaron about Hill DNA testing and in emails to me he replied that since > I wasnt a Hill it was for only, I also was told that by one of the testing > labs noted here in the discussion ... yet my great grandfather was a Hill and my > grandmother a Hill, so I really dont understand the exclusionary basis of this > testing. > > B Rgds, > Scotty Hartigan

Was it your father's father who was a Hill? If yes, then you could be tested for the Hill surname study. If no, then you could get the Y chromosome DNA profile and contribute the results to the Hartigan surname study. Whatever your father's surname was (if you or he were not adopted), that is the Y DNA study you should participate in. You wouldn't want to contribute your Hartigan results to a Hill study - it's apples and oranges. The Hill study compares men with the Hill surname to each other to see which ones are descended from which Hill male ancestor. The Hartigan study would compare your DNA to that of other men who have the Hartigan surname to see if any of them might share a common Hartigan male ancestor with you. If your mother was a Hill, it won't do you any good to participate in the Hill Y chromosome DNA study, because she didn't have one to pass on to you. Women have two X chromosomes, one contributed by their mother and one by their father. Men have an X chromosome from their mother plus a Y chromosome from their fathers. --- Javbst@aol.com wrote: > I support the DNA testing if that can be a useful > tool for research, though I > asked Aaron about Hill DNA testing and in emails to > me he replied that since > I wasnt a Hill it was for only, I also was told that > by one of the testing > labs noted here in the discussion ... yet my great > grandfather was a Hill and my > grandmother a Hill, so I really dont understand the > exclusionary basis of this > testing. > > B Rgds, > Scotty Hartigan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

When you spend over $200. on MtDna tests advertised on the genealogy sites, you want more information than haplo group 1a - yes? That is the point. I wrote initially to warn most women to NOT do the MtDNA - only do the male DNA tests if you really want to confirm where the males in the family came from. Hs -----Original Message----- From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kaye Sass Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:39 PM To: hill@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HILL] dna testing TALKED TO DEATH I don't think the site is to agree or disagree on DNA. The purpose of the site is the coming together of Hill families and linking them. Let's get back to what the site is meant to be and leave the DNA to those who are the experts. Kaye -----Original Message----- From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Chesnutt Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 6:50 PM To: hill@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HILL] dna testing TALKED TO DEATH Can we agree that there will simply be differences of opinion on the DNA test and probably no one will change their opinion based on an e-mail??? Can we get back to simply finding our Hill and helping each other? Rhonda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.1/440 - Release Date: 9/6/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.1/440 - Release Date: 9/6/2006 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

DID you do the Male DNA or the MtDNA Mike? Are you comparing apples or oranges or male to female here? If the male, they are more relevant -in fact, much more relevant than female Mt DNA testing which is worthless for genealogy research unless one is too stupid to figure out that light skinned peoples came from Europe and eventually from England. I can tell you FREE Of CHARGE that due to your last name, your ancestors probably came from England unless you are Black and then they probably came from Africa! I can also tell you that the name HILL on blacks is probably due to slavery days when they took the name of their masters. That is much more information than you would get from the MtDNA tests. Helen -----Original Message----- From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hill Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:57 PM To: hill@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HILL] dna testing TALKED TO DEATH I would hate to see all the descriptions about DNA testing being a "fraud" or being of minimal value without seeing rebuttals coming from members like myself for whom it's been immensely helpful. My paper trail had lead to the proverbial brick wall until I participated in the Hill DNA Project. My DNA results linked me to a Hill line that I had no idea that I had connections previously. As a result, I have been able to continue my paper trail research and I've uncovered information that has helped me discover a few more generations of my Hill line. I hope that none of the negative posts regarding DNA testing will prevent anyone considering joining a project from doing so. Don't just blindly believe anything you read on this list. Let Google be your friend and do some research on your own to decide if you want to participate in a DNA project. I hope the Hill DNA Project will continue to grow and benefit Hill researchers for years to come. Mike Hill Kaye Sass wrote: >I don't think the site is to agree or disagree on DNA. The purpose of the >site is the coming together of Hill families and linking them. Let's get >back to what the site is meant to be and leave the DNA to those who are the >experts. > >Kaye > >-----Original Message----- >From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf >Of Rhonda Chesnutt >Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 6:50 PM >To: hill@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [HILL] dna testing TALKED TO DEATH > >Can we agree that there will simply be differences of opinion on the DNA >test and probably no one will change their opinion based on an e-mail??? > >Can we get back to simply finding our Hill and helping each other? > >Rhonda > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do NOT do the mtDNA test as it will be too vague for any genealogy purposes. If you can go back five generations, you are doing well. Keep researching. If you brother had a DNA test it would track the Jones and perhaps the JUSTUS family if he is related to that branch and it is paternal in nature. Don't spend money until you have run up against a brick wall that is totally strong and cannot be unbroken - then do the DNA but only the male side! HS -----Original Message----- From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Summers Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:58 PM To: hill@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HILL] DNA Testing A Fraud I wish I really understood DNA testing - for instance - My mother's maiden name was Jones and she married a Jones - they go back to the same Jones about 5 generations back. If my brother had a DNA test would it be tracing just the Jones from my father's side? Also, I have three Justus sisters who were my gg grandmothers (I know - a very convoluted family). What would that do to my brother's DNA test? would it show the Justus DNA also? Could someone give me a quick simple answer? Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Byron Hill To: hill@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [HILL] DNA Testing A Fraud Anyone who has any doubts about the validity or the great success of DNA testing can visit the HILL DNA PROJECT and see what DNA testing has acomplished. We have almost 250 participants in the HILL DNA PROJECT, and most of them have proven or disproven large portions of their research that otherwise would have taken decades to confirm. Without DNA testing most of us in the project would still be where we were several years ago, searching for some huge missing piece to the puzzle that would have probably remained a mystery forever. Byron Hill HILL DNA PROJECT On 9/7/06, PsychSW@aol.com <PsychSW@aol.com> wrote: > > > In a message dated 9/7/2006 2:29:55 PM Central Standard Time, > hsabin@cox.net > writes: > > The male is the ONLY one of use for genealogy. > > > > Even I, who doesn't really understand all the ins and outs of the testing, > haplos, etc., understand and have understood since the get-go that the > male DNA > testing is the best method. I have a male cousin who is a 6th generation > direct line Male of our Alabama Wyatt line and we have hopes for making > some > connections as this is a well-researched line and much DNA is going on. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I believe Todd may just be an idiot. ToddsRoots@aol.com wrote: qWEGFAFDSVBADFB ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message DON'T FORGET TO VISIT THE WALSH FAMILY ON LINE GO TO: www.geocities.com/walsh_family_reunion !!! --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com