DNA testing and the subsequent results have nothing to do with the theories of evolution or intelligent design. DNA and the markers have no relation to this. Why would you think this? The facts are the facts. If marker DYS 462 is 12, then it is 12. Evolution or the lack thereof isn't relevant. Aaron From: "DixieMom" <southerncross@pgtc.com> Reply-To: DixieMom <southerncross@pgtc.com>, hill@rootsweb.com To: <hill@rootsweb.com> Subject: [HILL] DNA Testing Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 15:53:40 -0500 Dear List, I have been reading with interest the comments on whether or not DNA testing is a fraud or not. I have read quite a bit about it and am not sure I would spend any money on DNA testing........... yet. What is a concern, in my opinion, is the fact that the people who worked on the Human Genome Project based their model on the theory of evolution, and that human evolution, from the time the bolt of electricity struck the primordial soup, has taken at least several thousand, if not millions of years. I wonder if such a model would differ with the results produced by a model based on a young earth, like 10,000 years, which SOME SCIENTISTS actually propose. Or would the results differ if the model were based not on evolution, but on a creation model? WOULD IT EVEN MATTER? Of course, if one believes in evolution, he will claim the results are accurate because evolution is true, and if someone believes creation and a young earth, then he would want the model based on his beliefs. We will all just have to choose to believe what we want to, since no human was present at creation or the lightning bolt and soup story. >From what I have read, people will warn you that SOME companies may "rip you off", by charging too much money. That seems to be the major concern from the folks who trust the DNA testing. Happy ancestor hunting, no matter what path you take! Donna Here are a couple of websites I found doing a Google search which might be interesting reading: DNA and Genealogy: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/dnagenealogy.html History of the Human Genome Project: By Dr. Cook-Deegan is the Director, Division of Biobehavioral Sciences and Mental Disorders, Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Sciences. He received his B.A. (Chemistry) from Harvard College and his M.D. from the University of Colorado. See also, his book, The Gene Wars: Science, Politics, and the Human Genome (1994). http://www.fplc.edu/risk/vol5/spring/cookdeeg.htm

Hello Byron, It's been a long time since we've "visited". I'm a descendant of William Hill/Elizabeth Halbert. Can you put me in touch with some others from this line? Thanks, Jerri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Byron Hill" <gbh333@gmail.com> To: <hill@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:40 PM Subject: [HILL] from HILL Discussion List Administrator > This has been a very interesting thread (DNA). I am glad on one hand to > see > our HILL Discussion List active, but we are starting to lose subscribers > because of this off-topic discussion. It seems fair to allow the > discussion > to continue for another hour (until 9:40pm CT), but there is another > Rootweb > Discussion list for this topic (see below) that I would like to urge > anyone > interested to subscribe to. Please adhere to this request and complete > your > DNA postings on the HILL list by 9:40pm (or continue the discussion in > private). Thank you. > > Byron HILL > Admin > HILL Discussion List at Rootsweb > > *GENEALOGY-DNA-L* > *Topic:* Anyone with DNA (i.e., anyone!) who would like to discuss methods > and share results of DNA testing as applied to genealogical research. > > *Subscribing.* Clicking on one of the shortcut links below should work, > but > if your browser doesn't understand them, try these manual instructions: to > join *GENEALOGY-DNA-L*, send mail to > GENEALOGY-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.comwith the single word > *subscribe* in the message subject and body. To join *GENEALOGY-DNA-D,* do > the same thing with > GENEALOGY-DNA-D-request@rootsweb.com.<GENEALOGY-DNA-D-request@rootsweb.com> > and now that summer is almost over, I am expecting that normal HILL > research > activity on the list will pick-up. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Need all the help I can get finding info for my great grandmother' line: My great Grandmother: Sarah Ann Hill, born August 29, 1818 PA; died July 24, 1889 Browning Township, Schuyler County, Illinois Married: 1835 Ohio to John E. Walton, born March 20, 1815 Harlem Springs, Columbiana (now Carroll) County, Ohio; died May 16, 1881 Browning Township, Schuyler County, Illinois. They came to Schuyler County, Illinois in 1843. Nothing else is known after 3 generations of searching. Family Lore: received a chest box with stuff from an estate in Ohio; had 6 to 8 brothers who loved to wrestle on Sunday. John Walton was Quaker and used to watch them while courting. Her family weren't Quaker; no record of the marriage in any meeting; John, and siblings left the Quakers around the time of the marriage; no civil marriage license found; John Walton and his parents and siblings lived near Harlem Springs until moving to Schuyler County, Illinois. Sara

Hello listers: The HILL Discussion List is closed for the night. This thread has caused a massive number of people to unsubscribe, so I think it is best to shut things down for now. Please save your normal HILL research queries for tomorrow. Any further DNA discussions (based on tonight's thread) should move to: *GENEALOGY-DNA-L* *Topic:* Anyone with DNA (i.e., anyone!) who would like to discuss methods and share results of DNA testing as applied to genealogical research. *Subscribing.* Clicking on one of the shortcut links below should work, but if your browser doesn't understand them, try these manual instructions: to join *GENEALOGY-DNA-L*, send mail to GENEALOGY-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com Thank you! Byron Hill HILL DISCUSSION LIST

Thank you. It should be interesting because if I find the paternal line I have also found the maternal line AND the Justus is on both paternal and maternal if I go through my other, half-brother, who is a Justus - this should be fun. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: helen sabin To: hill@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [HILL] DNA Testing A Fraud Do NOT do the mtDNA test as it will be too vague for any genealogy purposes. If you can go back five generations, you are doing well. Keep researching. If you brother had a DNA test it would track the Jones and perhaps the JUSTUS family if he is related to that branch and it is paternal in nature. Don't spend money until you have run up against a brick wall that is totally strong and cannot be unbroken - then do the DNA but only the male side! HS -----Original Message----- From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Summers Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:58 PM To: hill@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HILL] DNA Testing A Fraud I wish I really understood DNA testing - for instance - My mother's maiden name was Jones and she married a Jones - they go back to the same Jones about 5 generations back. If my brother had a DNA test would it be tracing just the Jones from my father's side? Also, I have three Justus sisters who were my gg grandmothers (I know - a very convoluted family). What would that do to my brother's DNA test? would it show the Justus DNA also? Could someone give me a quick simple answer? Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Byron Hill To: hill@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [HILL] DNA Testing A Fraud Anyone who has any doubts about the validity or the great success of DNA testing can visit the HILL DNA PROJECT and see what DNA testing has acomplished. We have almost 250 participants in the HILL DNA PROJECT, and most of them have proven or disproven large portions of their research that otherwise would have taken decades to confirm. Without DNA testing most of us in the project would still be where we were several years ago, searching for some huge missing piece to the puzzle that would have probably remained a mystery forever. Byron Hill HILL DNA PROJECT On 9/7/06, PsychSW@aol.com <PsychSW@aol.com> wrote: > > > In a message dated 9/7/2006 2:29:55 PM Central Standard Time, > hsabin@cox.net > writes: > > The male is the ONLY one of use for genealogy. > > > > Even I, who doesn't really understand all the ins and outs of the testing, > haplos, etc., understand and have understood since the get-go that the > male DNA > testing is the best method. I have a male cousin who is a 6th generation > direct line Male of our Alabama Wyatt line and we have hopes for making > some > connections as this is a well-researched line and much DNA is going on. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Helen, I understand your frustration. But, there are a number of us who are not, so let's get on with other topics, please. And thank you Byron for putting a cut off time in place. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of helen sabin Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:47 PM To: hill@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HILL] dna testing TALKED TO DEATH LINKING DNA to families is what this is all about. That is why I had the DNA tests done -to see which families we came from and when the results came back they were to vague in nature to get anything from them. Hs -----Original Message----- From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kaye Sass Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:39 PM To: hill@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HILL] dna testing TALKED TO DEATH I don't think the site is to agree or disagree on DNA. The purpose of the site is the coming together of Hill families and linking them. Let's get back to what the site is meant to be and leave the DNA to those who are the experts. Kaye -----Original Message----- From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Chesnutt Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 6:50 PM To: hill@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HILL] dna testing TALKED TO DEATH Can we agree that there will simply be differences of opinion on the DNA test and probably no one will change their opinion based on an e-mail??? Can we get back to simply finding our Hill and helping each other? Rhonda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.1/440 - Release Date: 9/6/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.1/440 - Release Date: 9/6/2006 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Let's close this DNA thread by 9:40 ET, and move on, otherwise we'll have to shut the list down for the night. I re-read my message from earlier. I meant Eastern Time (ET) not Central Time (CT). 10 more minutes. Thanks! Byron Hill HILL Discussion List

It isn't meant to be exclusionary. It's just a matter of biology that the Y chromosome is passed only from father to son. Judy in Ocala -----Original Message----- From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Javbst@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 8:16 PM To: hill@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HILL] dna testing I support the DNA testing if that can be a useful tool for research, though I asked Aaron about Hill DNA testing and in emails to me he replied that since I wasnt a Hill it was for only, I also was told that by one of the testing labs noted here in the discussion ... yet my great grandfather was a Hill and my grandmother a Hill, so I really dont understand the exclusionary basis of this testing. B Rgds, Scotty Hartigan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Byron. -----Original Message----- From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Byron Hill Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 8:19 PM To: hill@rootsweb.com Subject: [HILL] Ejected (from HILL Discussion List Admin) Todd Roots has been unsubscribed and blocked from future postings. Byron Hill HILL DISCUSSION LIST ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Delete, delete, delete. -----Original Message----- From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of helen sabin Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 8:16 PM To: hill@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HILL] dna testing TALKED TO DEATH DID you do the Male DNA or the MtDNA Mike? Are you comparing apples or oranges or male to female here? If the male, they are more relevant -in fact, much more relevant than female Mt DNA testing which is worthless for genealogy research unless one is too stupid to figure out that light skinned peoples came from Europe and eventually from England. I can tell you FREE Of CHARGE that due to your last name, your ancestors probably came from England unless you are Black and then they probably came from Africa! I can also tell you that the name HILL on blacks is probably due to slavery days when they took the name of their masters. That is much more information than you would get from the MtDNA tests. Helen -----Original Message----- From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hill Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:57 PM To: hill@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HILL] dna testing TALKED TO DEATH I would hate to see all the descriptions about DNA testing being a "fraud" or being of minimal value without seeing rebuttals coming from members like myself for whom it's been immensely helpful. My paper trail had lead to the proverbial brick wall until I participated in the Hill DNA Project. My DNA results linked me to a Hill line that I had no idea that I had connections previously. As a result, I have been able to continue my paper trail research and I've uncovered information that has helped me discover a few more generations of my Hill line. I hope that none of the negative posts regarding DNA testing will prevent anyone considering joining a project from doing so. Don't just blindly believe anything you read on this list. Let Google be your friend and do some research on your own to decide if you want to participate in a DNA project. I hope the Hill DNA Project will continue to grow and benefit Hill researchers for years to come. Mike Hill Kaye Sass wrote: >I don't think the site is to agree or disagree on DNA. The purpose of the >site is the coming together of Hill families and linking them. Let's get >back to what the site is meant to be and leave the DNA to those who are the >experts. > >Kaye > >-----Original Message----- >From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf >Of Rhonda Chesnutt >Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 6:50 PM >To: hill@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [HILL] dna testing TALKED TO DEATH > >Can we agree that there will simply be differences of opinion on the DNA >test and probably no one will change their opinion based on an e-mail??? > >Can we get back to simply finding our Hill and helping each other? > >Rhonda > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Todd Roots has been unsubscribed and blocked from future postings. Byron Hill HILL DISCUSSION LIST

I know the value in genealogy of DNA testing but it's not always an option, especially for me (as far as I understand) to find my HILL ancestor. Me > Father > grandmother > great-grandmother > unknown ancestors. My great Grandmother: Sarah Ann Hill, born August 29, 1818 PA; died July 24, 1889 Browning Township, Schuyler County, Illinois; Married: 1835 Ohio to John E. Walton, born March 20, 1815 Harlem Springs, Columbiana (now Carroll) County, Ohio; died May 16, 1881 Browning Township, Schuyler County, Illinois. The came to Schuyler County, Illinois in 1843. Nothing else is known after 3 generations of searching. Family Lore: received a chest box with stuff from an estate in Ohio; had 6 to 8 brothers who loved to wrestle on Sunday. John Walton was Quaker and used to watch them while courting. Her family weren't Quaker; no record of the marriage in any meeting; John, and siblings left the Quakers around the time of the marriage; no civil marriage license found; John Walton and his parents and siblings lived near Harlem Springs until moving to Schuyler County, Illinois. Sara

The final price (whether incremental or not) is the same. There is no difference. It is much cheaper to order a test through a project though. For example, an upgrade from 37 markers to 67 is $99 not $109. http://www.hilldna.com/pricing.html http://www.familytreedna.com/public/yDNA_I1a Aaron

I support the DNA testing if that can be a useful tool for research, though I asked Aaron about Hill DNA testing and in emails to me he replied that since I wasnt a Hill it was for only, I also was told that by one of the testing labs noted here in the discussion ... yet my great grandfather was a Hill and my grandmother a Hill, so I really dont understand the exclusionary basis of this testing. B Rgds, Scotty Hartigan

I wish I really understood DNA testing - for instance - My mother's maiden name was Jones and she married a Jones - they go back to the same Jones about 5 generations back. If my brother had a DNA test would it be tracing just the Jones from my father's side? Also, I have three Justus sisters who were my gg grandmothers (I know - a very convoluted family). What would that do to my brother's DNA test? would it show the Justus DNA also? Could someone give me a quick simple answer? Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Byron Hill To: hill@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [HILL] DNA Testing A Fraud Anyone who has any doubts about the validity or the great success of DNA testing can visit the HILL DNA PROJECT and see what DNA testing has acomplished. We have almost 250 participants in the HILL DNA PROJECT, and most of them have proven or disproven large portions of their research that otherwise would have taken decades to confirm. Without DNA testing most of us in the project would still be where we were several years ago, searching for some huge missing piece to the puzzle that would have probably remained a mystery forever. Byron Hill HILL DNA PROJECT On 9/7/06, PsychSW@aol.com <PsychSW@aol.com> wrote: > > > In a message dated 9/7/2006 2:29:55 PM Central Standard Time, > hsabin@cox.net > writes: > > The male is the ONLY one of use for genealogy. > > > > Even I, who doesn't really understand all the ins and outs of the testing, > haplos, etc., understand and have understood since the get-go that the > male DNA > testing is the best method. I have a male cousin who is a 6th generation > direct line Male of our Alabama Wyatt line and we have hopes for making > some > connections as this is a well-researched line and much DNA is going on. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

First of all, you didn't originally make it clear what type of DNA testing you consider to be a fraud. And then, you might also state that it is your "opinion only" that MtDNA is a fraud (I don't agree by the way) instead of treating your opinion as fact. Will MtDNA be valuable to those who want results that will benefit them in their genealogical research? Not likely. But then, I don't remember ever reading anything that stated that it would. Maybe you could enlighten me with a source that states that MtDNA will benefit someone doing genealogical research...I'd like to see that. I'm glad you can tell everyone that light skinned people in America probably came from Europe...that's an insight I think most people could come up with on their own. However, some people are curious to find out their deep matrilineal ancestry. I'm not sure if you have done any research on MtDNA research, but if you did, you'd find that there were different tribes in Europe, each having it's own unique MtDNA markers. I'm guessing that most people who take the test want to find out which tribe their deep matrilineal lineage belonged to. It's an academic curiosity that many people have. Is that "fraud"? I don't think so. If DNA testing companies were stating that their MtDNA tests were beneficial for genealogical purposes, maybe then you would have an argument for your "fraud" opinion. However, as I previously mentioned, you might want to provide sources. I'm not sure what authority you think you have that you can tell people to take or not take a test. How about telling people to do research and make up their own minds? There's nothing wrong with adding your opinion, as long as you don't treat it as fact. My opinions seem to differ greatly from yours, but then, I'm not telling people what to do or not do, nor am I treating my opinion as fact. Mike Hill helen sabin wrote: >DID you do the Male DNA or the MtDNA Mike? Are you comparing apples or >oranges or male to female here? If the male, they are more relevant -in >fact, much more relevant than female Mt DNA testing which is worthless for >genealogy research unless one is too stupid to figure out that light skinned >peoples came from Europe and eventually from England. I can tell you FREE >Of CHARGE that due to your last name, your ancestors probably came from >England unless you are Black and then they probably came from Africa! I can >also tell you that the name HILL on blacks is probably due to slavery days >when they took the name of their masters. That is much more information >than you would get from the MtDNA tests. >Helen > > > > >

It is interesting to note that some white skinned people carry African haplogroups and vice versa. Prof. Henry Louis (Skip) Gates Jr., head of Harvard University's African-American Studies department. Gates always knew he wasn't 100 percent African-American. According to family legend, Gates's only white ancestor was a slave owner named Samuel Brady, who had sex with Gates's great-great-grandmother Jane on his farm in Maryland in the 1800s. But recent DNA analyses turned Gates's world upside down. There was no trace of Brady on Gates's genome. Further testing revealed that Gates, in fact, carries as much Western European blood as he does African-and that one of his white ancestors was probably an Irish servant who met Gates's sixth or seventh great-grandfather sometime before 1700. "I'm thinking I'm a Brady and maybe I'm from Nigeria, and here I am descended from some white woman," says Gates. "It's incredible." Gates has both a European Y HG and mt HG. Cont. here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11080815/site/newsweek/ Janet Crain ----- Original Message ----- From: "helen sabin" <hsabin@cox.net> To: <hill@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [HILL] dna testing TALKED TO DEATH > DID you do the Male DNA or the MtDNA Mike? Are you comparing apples or > oranges or male to female here? If the male, they are more relevant -in > fact, much more relevant than female Mt DNA testing which is worthless for > genealogy research unless one is too stupid to figure out that light > skinned > peoples came from Europe and eventually from England. I can tell you FREE > Of CHARGE that due to your last name, your ancestors probably came from > England unless you are Black and then they probably came from Africa! I > can > also tell you that the name HILL on blacks is probably due to slavery days > when they took the name of their masters. That is much more information > than you would get from the MtDNA tests. > Helen >

This has been a very interesting thread (DNA). I am glad on one hand to see our HILL Discussion List active, but we are starting to lose subscribers because of this off-topic discussion. It seems fair to allow the discussion to continue for another hour (until 9:40pm CT), but there is another Rootweb Discussion list for this topic (see below) that I would like to urge anyone interested to subscribe to. Please adhere to this request and complete your DNA postings on the HILL list by 9:40pm (or continue the discussion in private). Thank you. Byron HILL Admin HILL Discussion List at Rootsweb *GENEALOGY-DNA-L* *Topic:* Anyone with DNA (i.e., anyone!) who would like to discuss methods and share results of DNA testing as applied to genealogical research. *Subscribing.* Clicking on one of the shortcut links below should work, but if your browser doesn't understand them, try these manual instructions: to join *GENEALOGY-DNA-L*, send mail to GENEALOGY-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.comwith the single word *subscribe* in the message subject and body. To join *GENEALOGY-DNA-D,* do the same thing with GENEALOGY-DNA-D-request@rootsweb.com.<GENEALOGY-DNA-D-request@rootsweb.com> and now that summer is almost over, I am expecting that normal HILL research activity on the list will pick-up.

I don't think the site is to agree or disagree on DNA. The purpose of the site is the coming together of Hill families and linking them. Let's get back to what the site is meant to be and leave the DNA to those who are the experts. Kaye -----Original Message----- From: hill-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hill-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Chesnutt Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 6:50 PM To: hill@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HILL] dna testing TALKED TO DEATH Can we agree that there will simply be differences of opinion on the DNA test and probably no one will change their opinion based on an e-mail??? Can we get back to simply finding our Hill and helping each other? Rhonda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HILL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.1/440 - Release Date: 9/6/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.1/440 - Release Date: 9/6/2006

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