In a message dated 9/3/03 11:40:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bryan@mawer.clara.co.uk writes: This is the first mention of UK in this discussion, so may I remind researchers that often German migrants found there way to N America via UK ... And some stayed in UK for several generations ...as mine did. I have yet to find a WINTERMEYER born in England that was not part of our original Nassau -- Hesse family. Regards, Al Rose Please visit my GEDCOM posted at URL: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=butchrose