In a message dated 3/18/04 9:08:12 PM, lgartner@telusplanet.net writes: << Where can I find good maps that may help me put these two family locations into perspective? >> There are some historical maps with the political/boundary changes at the Hesse website: http://members.cox.net/hessen/hesse.htm At the bottom of the page is a link to the Ravenstein's "Atlas des Deutschen Reichs" which I like for the old locations. Follow the directions to find places in the index, then download the appropriate sections of the map. http://www.library.wisc.edu/etext/ravenstein/ Dona Ritchie