Philip HOLZDERBER was born in Holland in 1800, according to the 1860 US Census for Manhattan, New York City, New York. His sons, John, Charles and Philip were born in the Duchy of Hesse Darmstadt. The family moved to New York City between 1840 and 1850. John became a merchant, Charles, a banker and Philip moved to Washington DC where he worked for the State Department. John may be the father of Charlotte who married John George FLAMMER I would appreciate hearing from anyone with an interest in this HOLZDERBER family. Harry in San Rafael, CA, USA