What county or Kreis is "Hesse Cassel" in? Is there an archivist there who maintains records of those who applied for permission to leave the country in the 1850's? Some of the list members in Germany may know. This could be a source of info for Lori looking for the Schmidt. She would have to either know the village her ancestor was from, or get help from someone in Germany, or go there if there are some records being maintained...The archivists will give info if you know the town and they can readily find it..Otherwise it is good to go and look for yourself. I just went to the county or Kreis of Alsfeld regarding my ancestor from Storndorf and searched with the archivist's help. betty HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 HESSE-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 39 Today's Topics: #1 Military record help [] #2 Hirstein/Franken? [Ed Maul ] #3 RE: Schmidt-Smith ["Diether Caspritz" #4 Schilling's in Hessen [Ed Maul ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from HESSE-D, send a message to HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. NEVER hit your reply button to unsubscribe. Web Site for HESSEN, GERMANY, is at http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm To unsubscribe or to look for old messages, go to: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/HESSE.html ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:27:35 -0800 From: To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Military record help Hello, I have a military discharge and I'm wondering where I can research to find out where this person actually served. Did they generally stay around their home grounds? Here's the translation info I have; Dukedon Nassau Brigade IInd Regiment IInd Line Company Appointed First Lieutenant and Commander of the Dukedoms IInd Regiment, George Hefeld, knight of the Lowlands Kingly Military Wilhelms-Ordens do herwith make known the following flank of the Dukedoms General Comman from the 28th of January 1841 Number G.C. 146 Section 1, the soldier Johann George Dauer from Wisper district L; Scheyalbach, regarding the merit of your service with the Dukedoms Military.......He is discharged from the Dukedoms Military Service since the 1st of April 1835 under the number 25,165 of the main opened-book as soldier in the year 1835, Release No. 7 and he had during that time served with honor. Any direction is greatly appreciated. Thank you Julie Dauer ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:18:01 -0500 From: Ed Maul To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Hirstein/Franken? I've looked at the maps on the web and it appears that Hirstein/Franken is in the Rhine Palatinate. searching for the surname SOMMER and the place to find it's district etc. Thanks, Ed http://members.tripod.com/~Silvie/Schilling.html ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:56:46 +0100 From: "Diether Caspritz" To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Schmidt-Smith Lorri, Schmidt is a very common name in Germany and also in Hessen, so without further information you are looking for the proverbial needle in the hay stack. I think his German given name must have been Heinrich and being from Hessen Cassel his confession must have been lutheran protestant. Without further information it is very unlikely to find him. Diether (Caspritz) > -----Original Message----- > From: phillylorri [mailto:phillylorri@earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:56 PM > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Schmidt-Smith > > > Hi I am new to this list, I am searching HENRY SCHMIDT b. 1838 > from Hesse cASSELL HE CAME TO usa ABT 1857? He lived all his life in Phila > Pa. I am trying to find the town he came from? > Lorri ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:56:27 -0500 From: Ed Maul To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Schilling's in Hessen Anyone have Schilling's in Hessen? Ed http://members.tripod.com/~Silvie/Schilling.html

Betty, Cassel = old for Kassel, town in the northern part of Hessen, in the center of Germany. Hessen-Kassel was a county in the northern area of the current state of Hessen. 1803 the Landgrafschaft (county) Hessen-Kassel became the Kurfuerstentum (electorate) Hessen (Kurhessen), Kassel remained seat of power and capital. 1816 also the Fuerstbistum (prince bishopric) Fulda became part of Kurhessen. 1866 Hessen-Kassel became part of Preussen (Prussia) ... So Lorri is looking for Heinrich Schmidt in a large area. I did not mean to discourage her, but it is necessary to find out more information in order to be able to locate him. Is there a death record in the parish in Philly where he lived? The church records often give further information. What other given names did he have? At that time people in Hessen had two or more given names. With whom was he married. Did he marry in Germany? Immigrants often married people from their home area. Were there relatives or friends immigrating with him? They might give clues. Where did the people in his neighborhood in Philly come from? Hope to have given a few ideas of how to find out more on Henry and then may be able to locate him in Hessen-Kassel. Diether > From: Betty Richardson [mailto:bkrich@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 3:02 PM > > What county or Kreis is "Hesse Cassel" in? Is there an archivist there who maintains records of those who applied for > permission to leave the country in the 1850's? Some of the list members in Germany may know. This could be a source of > info for Lori looking for the Schmidt. She would have to either know the village her ancestor was from, or get help > from someone in Germany, or go there if there are some records being maintained...The archivists will give info if you > know the town and they can readily find it..Otherwise it is good to go and look for yourself. I just went to the county > or Kreis of Alsfeld regarding my ancestor from Storndorf and searched with the archivist's help. betty > > HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Web Site for HESSEN, GERMANY, is at > http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm > > Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit > zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm> > ______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:27:35 -0800 > From: > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Military record help > > Hello, > > I have a military discharge and I'm wondering where I can research to find out where this person actually served. Did > they generally stay around their home grounds? > > Here's the translation info I have; > Dukedon Nassau Brigade > > IInd Regiment > IInd Line Company > > Appointed First Lieutenant and Commander of the Dukedoms IInd Regiment, George Hefeld, knight of the Lowlands Kingly > Military Wilhelms-Ordens do herwith make known the following flank of the Dukedoms General Comman from the 28th of > January 1841 Number G.C. 146 Section 1, the soldier Johann George Dauer from Wisper district L; Scheyalbach, regarding > the merit of your service with the Dukedoms Military.......He is discharged from the Dukedoms Military Service since > the 1st of April 1835 under the number 25,165 of the main opened-book as soldier in the year 1835, Release No. 7 and he > had during that time served with honor. > > Any direction is greatly appreciated. > > Thank you > Julie Dauer > > ______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:18:01 -0500 > From: Ed Maul > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Hirstein/Franken? > > I've looked at the maps on the web and it appears that Hirstein/Franken is in the Rhine Palatinate. > searching for the surname SOMMER and the place to find it's district etc. > Thanks, > Ed > > > http://members.tripod.com/~Silvie/Schilling.html > > ______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:56:46 +0100 > From: "Diether Caspritz" > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: Schmidt-Smith > > Lorri, > > Schmidt is a very common name in Germany and also in Hessen, > so without further information you are looking for the proverbial > needle in the hay stack. > > I think his German given name must have been Heinrich and > being from Hessen Cassel his confession must have been > lutheran protestant. > > Without further information it is very unlikely to find him. > > Diether (Caspritz) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: phillylorri [mailto:phillylorri@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:56 PM > > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Schmidt-Smith > > > > > > Hi I am new to this list, I am searching HENRY SCHMIDT b. 1838 > > from Hesse cASSELL HE CAME TO usa ABT 1857? He lived all his life in Phila > > Pa. I am trying to find the town he came from? > > Lorri

Diether, Thank-you for giving this information about Cassel/Kassel and Hessen-Kassel. I always am confused about the counties and the changes that went on historically and still am struggling to understand. Is the town/city of Kassel the county seat now of what would have been Hessen-Kassel back in Lorri's ancestor's time? Would there be emigration records there in an archive if Lori could find the town of her ancestor? I am a gentle person and my reply to Lorri (and others) of my own experience is not a negative response to your reply but only to let them know how I struggled for years (since 1960) to find my greatgreat grandfather's birthplace and then his father and mother's names and on back in our ancestry, but I never gave up and finally the clues I needed came only a year or so ago. Diether your responses are valuable and much appreciated. Keep them coming. Betty Diether Caspritz <caspritz@gmx.de> wrote: Betty, Cassel = old for Kassel, town in the northern part of Hessen, in the center of Germany. Hessen-Kassel was a county in the northern area of the current state of Hessen. 1803 the Landgrafschaft (county) Hessen-Kassel became the Kurfuerstentum (electorate) Hessen (Kurhessen), Kassel remained seat of power and capital. 1816 also the Fuerstbistum (prince bishopric) Fulda became part of Kurhessen. 1866 Hessen-Kassel became part of Preussen (Prussia) ... So Lorri is looking for Heinrich Schmidt in a large area. I did not mean to discourage her, but it is necessary to find out more information in order to be able to locate him. Is there a death record in the parish in Philly where he lived? The church records often give further information. What other given names did he have? At that time people in Hessen had two or more given names. With whom was he married. Did he marry in Germany? Immigrants often married people from their home area. Were there relatives or friends immigrating with him? They might give clues. Where did the people in his neighborhood in Philly come from? Hope to have given a few ideas of how to find out more on Henry and then may be able to locate him in Hessen-Kassel. Diether > From: Betty Richardson [mailto:bkrich@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 3:02 PM > > What county or Kreis is "Hesse Cassel" in? Is there an archivist there who maintains records of those who applied for > permission to leave the country in the 1850's? Some of the list members in Germany may know. This could be a source of > info for Lori looking for the Schmidt. She would have to either know the village her ancestor was from, or get help > from someone in Germany, or go there if there are some records being maintained...The archivists will give info if you > know the town and they can readily find it..Otherwise it is good to go and look for yourself. I just went to the county > or Kreis of Alsfeld regarding my ancestor from Storndorf and searched with the archivist's help. betty > > HESSE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Web Site for HESSEN, GERMANY, is at > http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm > > Many towns in Germany have the same name! Add the 5-digit > zip code in front of the name! Zip codes explained, > http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm> > ______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:27:35 -0800 > From: > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Military record help > > Hello, > > I have a military discharge and I'm wondering where I can research to find out where this person actually served. Did > they generally stay around their home grounds? > > Here's the translation info I have; > Dukedon Nassau Brigade > > IInd Regiment > IInd Line Company > > Appointed First Lieutenant and Commander of the Dukedoms IInd Regiment, George Hefeld, knight of the Lowlands Kingly > Military Wilhelms-Ordens do herwith make known the following flank of the Dukedoms General Comman from the 28th of > January 1841 Number G.C. 146 Section 1, the soldier Johann George Dauer from Wisper district L; Scheyalbach, regarding > the merit of your service with the Dukedoms Military.......He is discharged from the Dukedoms Military Service since > the 1st of April 1835 under the number 25,165 of the main opened-book as soldier in the year 1835, Release No. 7 and he > had during that time served with honor. > > Any direction is greatly appreciated. > > Thank you > Julie Dauer > > ______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:18:01 -0500 > From: Ed Maul > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Hirstein/Franken? > > I've looked at the maps on the web and it appears that Hirstein/Franken is in the Rhine Palatinate. > searching for the surname SOMMER and the place to find it's district etc. > Thanks, > Ed > > > http://members.tripod.com/~Silvie/Schilling.html > > ______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:56:46 +0100 > From: "Diether Caspritz" > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: Schmidt-Smith > > Lorri, > > Schmidt is a very common name in Germany and also in Hessen, > so without further information you are looking for the proverbial > needle in the hay stack. > > I think his German given name must have been Heinrich and > being from Hessen Cassel his confession must have been > lutheran protestant. > > Without further information it is very unlikely to find him. > > Diether (Caspritz) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: phillylorri [mailto:phillylorri@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:56 PM > > To: HESSE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Schmidt-Smith > > > > > > Hi I am new to this list, I am searching HENRY SCHMIDT b. 1838 > > from Hesse cASSELL HE CAME TO usa ABT 1857? He lived all his life in Phila > > Pa. I am trying to find the town he came from? > > Lorri