Gerstenschläger, Michael, Origin: Habitzheim. - Emigration date: 1845-12 / Goal: America, USA. - Comment: with family. Source: Emigration file Walter Müller 1845. Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich Bartholomäus-Arnoldi-Straße 22 D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: CarolynChappellNelson <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Dienstag, den 3. März 2009, 21:46:45 Uhr Betreff: [HESSE] HADIS - Gerstenschlaeger I wish I knew the German language! I wonder what this means: NACHWEIS Gerstenschl�ger, Michael, Herkunft: Habitzheim. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1845-12 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Bemerkungen: mit Familie. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter M�ller 1845 Doesn't this mean Michael came with his family? He did not marry until he was in Ohio, USA. 3 of his brothers also came to America, but not at the same time. I believe he arrived here between 1852-1854, so does this mean he left Habitzheim in 1845 and maybe did not come to America until later? And what of the 'Walter Mueller'? Was he just the man who kept the record? Thank you so very much for the direction to this site...I hope I can become more proficient at understanding the records. I have many German families that I do not know much about. Thank you all, Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 1:49:05 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen Darmstadt on HADIS Hi all. There seems to be an issue with accessing HADIS through direct links. Best is to start from the root and walk through the different hierarchies. Here is the path to walk: 1. http://www.hadis.hessen.de 2. Enter "Auswanderer-Nachweise" into search field end press enter 3. Within the search results click "HStAD :: Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt" 4. Then click "Auswanderer-Nachweise" 5. Now choose the initial letter of the family name of the person you're looking for ... and Good luck !!! Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: greg & rae ryan <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Montag, den 2. März 2009, 03:19:52 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Thierry, I can't seem to access the direct link you have mentioned for ALL Hessen Darmstadt emigration records.Any suggestions. Rae Qld Aust. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Yes, I found it as well in the inventory within the HStA Darmstadt (HStAD): HStAD R 21 B So the original document you are searching is still available there (see the following link). http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID=B0E2 @ALL: Here is the direct link to ALL Emigrationrecords from Hessen Darmstadt, so you can all search for your ancestors stemming from the former Grand-Duchy of Hessen (Hessen-Darmstadt) too: http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID=2EFA Good luck, Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Marie Van Laeys <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 16:35:59 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Dr. Dietrich, I found the following for one of my uncles: Identifikation Titel HORNUNG Heinrich, Herkunft: Grob Zimnern-Im. 1846-04/ ziel Amerika USA Alter/geb.$ (?) Bemerkungen: mit famile Ausgewandert, Quelle: Ausevandererkarei Laufzeit 1846 Walter Moller also at the same time Valentin Hornung Thank you for your help Marie Van Laeys ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Most likely in the Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt. You may be lucky and find summaries of documents online under http://www.hadis.hessen.de If you confirm me first name, last name, date and location of birth, date of emigration, etc. then I could have a quick look on HADIS online for you. May be you're lucky. Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Cindy Phipps <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 13:59:21 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Thierry, would these papers be archived in the town/village of emigration, or in a larger, centrally located city? thanks! Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt In earlier times the citizen of a country "belonged" to the souveraign. They didn't have a passport or the permission to leave the country. Thus they had two options, either breaching law by trying to illegally emigrate with the risk of getting caught and being jailed and the risk that staying relatives were punished instead. Alternatively you had to apply for emigration. Usually this included that you needed to pay a certain sum, so you kind of "baught" yourself out. These applications and their responses (they were not always granted) usually are still available in archives and may help you identify the origin of your ancestors. 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Thank you very much, Thierry. Now I need to figure out why it says he emigrated with family. You are a wonderful help to this group! Thanks again, Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 2:13:34 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [HESSE] HADIS - Gerstenschlaeger Gerstenschläger, Michael, Origin: Habitzheim. - Emigration date: 1845-12 / Goal: America, USA. - Comment: with family. Source: Emigration file Walter Müller 1845. Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich Bartholomäus-Arnoldi-Straße 22 D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: CarolynChappellNelson <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Dienstag, den 3. März 2009, 21:46:45 Uhr Betreff: [HESSE] HADIS - Gerstenschlaeger I wish I knew the German language! I wonder what this means: NACHWEIS Gerstenschl�ger, Michael, Herkunft: Habitzheim. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1845-12 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Bemerkungen: mit Familie. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter M�ller 1845 Doesn't this mean Michael came with his family? He did not marry until he was in Ohio, USA. 3 of his brothers also came to America, but not at the same time. I believe he arrived here between 1852-1854, so does this mean he left Habitzheim in 1845 and maybe did not come to America until later? And what of the 'Walter Mueller'? Was he just the man who kept the record? Thank you so very much for the direction to this site...I hope I can become more proficient at understanding the records. I have many German families that I do not know much about. Thank you all, Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 1:49:05 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [HESSE] How to access Emigration records from Hessen Darmstadt on HADIS Hi all. There seems to be an issue with accessing HADIS through direct links. Best is to start from the root and walk through the different hierarchies. Here is the path to walk: 1. http://www.hadis.hessen.de 2. Enter "Auswanderer-Nachweise" into search field end press enter 3. Within the search results click "HStAD :: Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt" 4. Then click "Auswanderer-Nachweise" 5. Now choose the initial letter of the family name of the person you're looking for ... and Good luck !!! Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: greg & rae ryan <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Montag, den 2. März 2009, 03:19:52 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Thierry, I can't seem to access the direct link you have mentioned for ALL Hessen Darmstadt emigration records.Any suggestions. Rae Qld Aust. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Yes, I found it as well in the inventory within the HStA Darmstadt (HStAD): HStAD R 21 B So the original document you are searching is still available there (see the following link). http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID=B0E2 @ALL: Here is the direct link to ALL Emigrationrecords from Hessen Darmstadt, so you can all search for your ancestors stemming from the former Grand-Duchy of Hessen (Hessen-Darmstadt) too: http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=F623-25A0FD4-C0A0E&PID=2EFA Good luck, Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Marie Van Laeys <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 16:35:59 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Dr. Dietrich, I found the following for one of my uncles: Identifikation Titel HORNUNG Heinrich, Herkunft: Grob Zimnern-Im. 1846-04/ ziel Amerika USA Alter/geb.$ (?) Bemerkungen: mit famile Ausgewandert, Quelle: Ausevandererkarei Laufzeit 1846 Walter Moller also at the same time Valentin Hornung Thank you for your help Marie Van Laeys ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Most likely in the Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt. You may be lucky and find summaries of documents online under http://www.hadis.hessen.de If you confirm me first name, last name, date and location of birth, date of emigration, etc. then I could have a quick look on HADIS online for you. May be you're lucky. Regards, Thierry Dr. Thierry P. Dietrich D-61250 Usingen ________________________________ Von: Cindy Phipps <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 26. Februar 2009, 13:59:21 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt Thierry, would these papers be archived in the town/village of emigration, or in a larger, centrally located city? thanks! Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Dietrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [HESSE] "Loritz" Darmstadt In earlier times the citizen of a country "belonged" to the souveraign. They didn't have a passport or the permission to leave the country. Thus they had two options, either breaching law by trying to illegally emigrate with the risk of getting caught and being jailed and the risk that staying relatives were punished instead. Alternatively you had to apply for emigration. Usually this included that you needed to pay a certain sum, so you kind of "baught" yourself out. These applications and their responses (they were not always granted) usually are still available in archives and may help you identify the origin of your ancestors. Cheers, Thierry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message